I stopped playing a few months ago, along with my friends. The game has remained unpatched for all that time and it will take me quite a while to update. However, I was wondering if it is worth it.
I know ANet was releasing a lot of steady updates in terms of the living story. However, I found those updates to be boring for the most part. I didn’t feel like the game was improving – it just gave you something to do, temporarily.
Are there any significant changes now? I hated fractals so I hope there isn’t too much emphasis there. How is spvp and wvwvw? Any endgame content? Are the world maps still empty? Is legendary grinding still slow and dull? Feel free to answer any of these, as well as any other unasked questions.
There is no denying that wvw is all about range due to the large scale battles. Having only 900 range is a huge handicap.
First of all balances aren’t JUST made for WvW, they’re made for all forms of the game. You’re obviously centered on WvW and think about that, but Anet is thinking about the entire game, including SPvP, where that condition can have some interesting consequences.
Now it probably won’t do much for thieves, and maybe not much for mesmers either, but I can guarantee you some necros will be using it. Because necros are one of the professions people were complaining about.
And necros are quite happy with this patch.
Again, from a WvW point of view, staff necros are really awesome, but in PvE, necros had very few builds that actually worked. The idea was to create more build variety.
The same with mesmers, some of whom DO use condition builds, but didn’t have enough variety.
Just because you don’t see a reason for something, or it doesn’t particularly help WvW doesn’t mean that no reason exists for it.
I play spvp more than wvw so I can see both sides. A shortbow nerf may not affect me in spvp but it does in wvw where range in absolutely essential.
Just because people complain about a class doesn’t mean that it needs fixing. Necros are insanely powerful if played right and by buffing them, Anet is doing exactly what they fear – implementing power creep.
I’m curious to hear how a balance patch which fixes traitlines somehow funds their cash shop.
TIL resetting trait points costs gems.
All of these big content patches are ways of adding new things to the cash shop – backpacks, skins etc.
I don’t understand you. How is constant adjustment to make the professions as balanced as possible bad? That’s good, VERY good.
I was avoiding comparisons, but this is the best way to explain. There is a game called StarCraft 2 which is an actual, well respected e-sport. On release of the game, people complained about how OP terrans were and demanded nerfs. Blizzard (the developer) was not so quick to be pushed around by the community. Instead of giving in to pressure, they left the game mostly unchanged until players learned to how counter certain builds etc.
There is always the potential to become better and only when all other options are exhausted should patches be made.
@ OP:
You are right, they should stop trying to make money through the cash shop…it’s not like they live off their work on this game or something.
If they wanted to have a f2p game, then the client should be free. GW operates on game and expansion sales, and should not depend on a cash shop. Unfortunately too many people are easy prey.
I think ArenaNet might be quickest dev I have seen when it comes to patches. This can be a good thing when bugs are quickly fixed and new features are added. However, a lot of problems can also result.
I was wondering, why did they implement torment? There are so many conditions already (maybe too many), some of which aren’t very useful, yet they find the need to come up with a new one? ANet needs to know that when you roll out something that isn’t well planned out, you can’t go back; you can’t just remove this condition now.
Another thing is that they are far too quick to react to is ‘balance’ changes. Thieves have been nerfed in every major balance patch and now they have no 1200 range skill. Now that they are handicapped in WvWvW, ANet will have to patch in some other changes to balance it… again. Warriors never get better, eles get buffed etc.
My advice is to stop and think it through. Make changes that are actually useful, like a party finder, instead of ways to make money in your cash shop.
I’m surprised there are no topics here about the recent nerf of thief range. Thieves now have no 1200 range skill, making them the shortest range class in the game. I don’t know how many of you play WvW but this severely handicaps the thief in this mode.
I closed the client and now I have the error again. There must be a problem with the login server.
I just got this error for the first time this morning.
edit: I just retried and it worked
(edited by ZombiesTT.3619)
I think the op saved me some trouble of my own :o
I was thinking about the bosses; I guess it’s all about timing. Does MF affect chest drops?
Apparently you can somehow convert pve items to spvp. Anyone know how?
I am almost exclusively a pvp player but I’ve gotten a little bit more into pve again because of wvwvw. I could use a few ascended items and I have a few laurels but apparently I need ectos too.
So where can I farm items for ectos or gold to buy the ectos? I used to grind in Orr but when I went yesterday it was totally abandoned. I don’t like dungeons, so that’s out.
What do people do now? If I can make a decent amount of gold, I’ll probably go for a legendary too.
I like my female characters to show off some skin :|
You didn’t have time to react? Was your movement restrained? What does this have to do with stealth? It looks like he used a backstab opener, steal and spammed heartseeker.
Necros can dodge roll during any part of this combo and the thief will run out of initiative, or use death shroud, or one of the many damage mitigation skills/ traits (spectral armor), or heal, or run, or cast an aoe well/mark on the ground.
I like how thief got nerfed from top to the bottom.
He destroyed your hopes and dreams
What kind of indians?
All of my characters are human except for 1 sylvari who I hate and want to delete. I’ll just mention my main then:
Human – Male – Thief
I don’t think class balance is too skewed. Necros are really powerful and Engineers are annoying to fight. Guardians are used a lot in spvp because they can hold points well.
I agree with OP. I only really login to sPVP now and there isn’t much reward other than gear. Besides I have to jump a HUGE level gap to get to the next tier for new armor that I don’t even want.
Server transfers should have never been free. It ruins WvW
Everyone just sits in LA now and does Fractals right? You need to be in LA if you want to do dungeons too since there is no world chat. All other towns are abandoned and fields are empty. It’s pretty sad.
I agree with the OP. I think they should mix it up. I only got a fractals monthly once. Personally, I think fractals are the worst thing to happen to GW2.
I actually like the trench coats. The only problem I have with them is the clipping with the weapons.
Sorry, but that’s your fault, not ArenaNet’s.
You can queue up on your own – it randomly parties you with other people. I’ve done it a few times.
The problem with tournaments is that there’s not real point to them. I get into games faster and have more fun in regular spvp.
8v8 is more fun. Zerging makes you lose since you would only be able to hold 1 point at a time.
They should make giant asuras
close to six hundred megabytes
Well that makes inner fire pretty much useless since you need to fight someone who uses burn conds (probably only another guardian).
Why is everything focused on Lion’s arch? They are treating the game as if it has a tiny community that can fill 1 town.
>ArenaNet makes a game and puts some things that should be included in the game into the cash shop
>Say that you can exchange gold for gems
>Works well at first
>Rapid inflation making your gold worthless
>You are forced to buy gems with real money
>Profit
By doing it this way, ArenaNet avoided a mob of players calling the game pay 2 win since you had to option of buying gems with gold. Now, because of inflation, the average player can’t really purchase enough gems to do anything with.
I spent like 5 hours in the fractals and got <50 relics. How much time must I spend doing something I don’t like for a piece of gear?
Most of the threads I’ve seen here are about balance and complaining about thieves. People don’t really care about tpvp I would think.
Does anyone do tournament pvp games (free or paid)? I need 3 tournament wins for the monthly pvp and I also want some of the gear but no one seems to take part in this.
I tried logging on during peak hours but still no one seems to be there. I always end up in regular spvp and I don’t like the medium armor rewards there.
Also, is tpvp cross server like spvp or fixed on 1 server?
I’m on Darkhaven by the way.
To all those out there that prefer the ‘Chicken Way’, thank you for the video Neito, here is my inspiration for doing it the… Not so chicken way…
http://www.youtube.com/v/O3szVor2tMU&fs=1&source=uds&autoplay=1
Oh and let me quote the context of how the OP feels, esp. about your ‘Chicken Way’.
“My question is. Does everyone do this encounter that way? I mean really? Is this what gaming as evolved too just chain dying because it is the “fastest way”?”
Mad props to these guys. I’m glad it’s possible to kill the mobs although I suspect you will need some decent gear, a defensive spec and a coordinated team.
I was in a level 2 fractals for about 2 hrs and reached the 4th instance. By that time, people left and we couldn’t complete it. Individually, each instance is ok but running them consecutively is not fun for me.
You can’t be serious. You got to play the game for 3 months! It’s a special sale which everyone should have expected for black friday. If you really wanted to, you could have waited because the price would have dropped anyway over time.
I’ve done it quite a few times and every party (always a PUG party) did it this way (except we kite with 2 at a time). I don’t think it’s possible to survive the timer by killing all the mobs since they spawn too fast. Also, I believe that armor helps you survive a bit longer.
I’ve stopped pve on my main because fotm is the only pve endgame now. I only spvp now.
That chart can’t be right; it has second life with 800k subs…
I hate mesmers in pvp more than thieves. That should explain a lot.
Aion’s pvp is way worse than GW2’s lol
Maybe they should have a lobby before the game starts? I dunno I like hot join and you don’t lose anything if your team loses. I’m excited to try out 5v5 and see how it works. Actually my biggest concern was splitting the community between 5v5 and 8v8 matches.
I actually did the opposite – I switched from my lvl 80 Thief to a Guardian. I can say that in pve, Guards are more fun because I have to use all the weapon skills on 2 weapons while with Thief I use 1 or 2 skills on 1 weapon set.
The initiative system is not the problem, peroid, end of story.
People spam 1 or 2 abilities because they are the only abilities worth using, at all, most of the time. If you want damage, you spam the damage ability, and we all have to do damage.
The REAL problem is that there’s not enough utility or damage on our other weapon skills to make them attractive. I’d press a lot more buttons if they had better uses functionality, but they don’t.
Take the ranged interrupt, for instance. Sure, it interrupts a spell, but it only locks out spell casting for 1/4 of a second, and it hits like a spit wad. It costs so much initiative to use, that it’s not worth it. I’d rather eat what ever spell is coming, and just blast somebody.
See the problem there? The gains aren’t worth the initiative cost 90% of the time. So, we spam the damage skills, and nothing else.
Initiative is fine. Weapon design is flawed.
Every class has ‘better’ and ‘useless’ weapon skills. For example, if my Greatsword Guardian had Initiative, I would spam 2 and only use 3 occasionally to close the distance.
I can see that a lot of replies are from Thief players who think they know their class better than they actually do. I’m not even going to go into details as to how c&d can be exploited since I don’t want a bunch of bandwagonists making pvp even less tolerable. A ‘good’ c&d thief will decimate even the tankiest bunker guardian.
Heartseeker is still very much viable by the way. Obviously you don’t spam it when someone is at full health but once they are at 50% it’s pretty easy to take them down with a simple spam, using the right traits and build.
I don’t think the regen matters that much because as long as it is there and skills aren’t on cd people will spam. Powerful skills like cloak and dagger will always be a problem without a cooldown.
I agree 100%, everything in the game seems to be setup to defeat any form of skill from pro solo pvper’s. Even if you could kill 2-3 players by yourself you’d never get rewarded for it because you’d never be able to stomp them with the way downed state is setup.
If you can down 3 players but not stomp them then you’re doing something wrong.
Please stop trolling, there is alot of content here you could reply to don’t derail the topic by saying everything is fine and we all just need to L2P. People are here to try and improve the spvp exp if your ok with it then I don’t see why your even on the forums at all.
The topic was about duels, and rewarding skill for solo pvp, alot of players don’t like it when you rewards broken skilless mechanics. Not every player will enjoy exploiting broken mechanics some players who are great with them, don’t enjoy winning through cheating. Now if you would like to comment on anything the OP said we’d love to hear it but I believe that there has been 3 billion players on mmo forums that posted l2play already.
Are you telling me to keep on topic when you, yourself are off topic?
As far as the topic goes, I don’t see the problem. You are rewarded in pvp by winning and getting points. You are even rewarded for losing by still getting points. You can use those points to change your appearance. Your pvp level can be used for bragging purposes. What more is there to be had?
Tournaments are optional. If you can’t find a team or compete then that is your fault, not the game’s. Competitive players commit a lot of time and effort into being the best.
My first and main character is a level 80 thief. I’ve been playing since the beta weekend events and once I attained 100% map completion, I started pvping with some classes.
Sometimes people don’t see their own flaws and problems because they see through their own eyes. From the point of view of others, a lot is revealed about yourself. This applies to the thief class. Most players will blindly defend their class simply because they don’t want to get any weaker – it’s only natural.
However after a fair amount of spvp matches, it’s clear that the thief class just isn’t right. Of course, there are other unbalanced classes but here I’ll focus on the thief (a badly named class in my opinion, but that’s another matter), since I have considerable playing as one as well as facing thieves in combat.
From my analysis, it appears that the major flaw in the class (ie. the root of the problem) is with the Initiative system. I’ve spent countless (not really) hours spamming 1 or 2 weapon skills in both pve and pvp.
My character used dual pistols most of his life, spamming unload and basic attacks whenever initiative ran out. Dual dagger thieves spam heartseeker or death blossom, sword/ pistol users spam pistol whip etc.
As long as there is no cooldown on the skills, players will use the best skill repeatedly. That creates a problem with certain skills in particular:
Heartseeker: the most commonly spammed skill. It has a low initiative cost, tracks the enemy and does high damage.
Cloak & Dagger: this is much worse than heartseeker although not that many thieves use it (yet). Players can stay cloaked indefinitely, making them near unbeatable in a 1v1 confrontation.
So how do you fix this problem? One solution is to nerf the skills. However, this will probably cause players to shift to another skill/ weapon set.
The more long term solution requires a complete revamp of the Thief class. The initiative system needs to be removed and traits adjusted. While they’re at it, they should rename the class since I don’t think ‘Thief’ is an appropriate name.
I don’t actually expect them to make such a drastic change but that’s the only solution I can think of.
PS. I don’t think backstab is as big of a problem as people make it out to be. It requires the use of multiple skills as well as proper positioning and timing to be effective.