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in Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns
Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573
First off Engi condi dps>>necro condi dps.
About the Mossman: Engineer has ground-target AoE that doesnt require a target, necro needs to have a target for scepter 1,3, life blast, dark path, so engi has uptime on its dps compared to necro. Also it’s a very specific scenario you are comparing which is in favor of the engineer. And it is also a completely useless comparison…
Guys remember Robert Geezus mentioned soft CC will be useful in raids. If a boss spawns countless adds who move fast i would really like a necro to do soft cc/ epidemic stuff.
Not everything is DPS, every class has its own utility, why do we have to compare DPS all the time. The devs have tools to measure DPS much much better than the spreadsheets we make and it’s the easiest thing in the world for them to raise it, there are reasons why they don’t do it.Also @Lily nice summary great post.
Although I do agree that the engineer’s condi DPS is much higher than the base necromancer’s, I wouldn’t necessarily agree that its higher than the reaper’s. More testing is required.
My estimated guess for whats actually sustained is about 30-35 bleeds, 5 poison and chill. Those are what we can sustain indefinably. However where I get my numbers is from the burst as well as the cool downs. I have gotten up to 40 stacks of poison using corrosive poison cloud and the soul spiral. During that burst the 30 bleeds stick on and I can quickly build up around 5-6 stacks of burning. Throw terror into the mix and you’re adding more damage to the burst. So for burst I’d estimate around 20k, but for sustained I’d say 8-9k at the stabilizing point.
I’m just throwing out rough estimations on that. I have gotten over 40 stacks of poison using my rotation and over 30 stacks of bleeding at the same time with the 6 stacks of burning and chill all ticking at once.
But thank you.
I’m really trying to help the necromancer community out. I think we’re starting to get to a really good place and we provide so much more than just damage that I honestly believe that we’ll be one of the best professions for raiding content.
PS: On its own, With food Corrosive poison cloud ticks for about 2k with once the second second starts. So you have about 6 seconds of that damage. Whirling in it to get the 30-40 stacks, depending on how large the enemy is that you’re fighting, you’re looking at around 8-9k damage just from poisons. And getting 30 stacks of bleeding isn’t news for the base condi necromancer, let alone reaper.
I really like the poison burst with reaper. I wish the whirled poison lasted longer though. 40 stacks really only lasts 1 tick, by the second tick it is down to 15 or so, then back down to 6 by the third tick.
I also can’t seem to hit the numbers that other necros do. I think I need to do more testing or improve my rotation. I usually max out at about 25 bleeds not 30, sustained. And taking the time to cast CPC, enter RS, and spin usually drops that down to about 22 stacks.
What I really wish is that there was a way to sustain our bleeds while using RS1 for burn. I can stack burn up pretty high, but it is at the expense of pretty much all my bleeds.
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If you honestly think that 2000 T6 mats takes a similar time commitment as 150 reward tracks then I must assume you are trolling. 2000 T6 mats take ~500g or about 50 hours of play. Not sure how you can compare that to 150 reward tracks… it doesn’t even compare to 20 reward tracks.
I guess the words “personally farm” were obscured by some lint on your screen or something
But the time still has to be spent doing it by somebody in both cases.
I’ve actually done it twice. Using only drops, T6 directly, and T5 converted to T6 using mats I obtained by farming.
Using a mix of daily laurels, SW farming and specific location farming, it took me 3 months, and about 150 hours of play to collect all 2000 mats. Didn’t have to spend a single gold.
But as someone else pointed out in this thread the blog actually says they are replacing TS with shards of glory, they never say how many. So I am assuming that is where the difference comes in. We’ll probably get 5-10 in each bag making it much more reasonable.
Not trying to challenge anything
But, we’re talking about raid roles right? Why bring up solo?
I’m honestly just curious to hear more about Condi Reaper, if it’s described somewhere a link would be cool, or just explain it a little more I’d be interested to know. I imagined it was more of a hybrid with a lot of RS spam doing decent physical and decent condi, sounsd like I was wrong on that. It sounds pretty powerful, MUCH more powerful than what I’ve seen from Condi Necro. Obviously the stack numbers you posted can’t be maintained, otherwise you’d be pumping out 22k in condi damage
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Did reaper bring condi damage for necro up to a viable level?
And it’s not about Engi being able to burst 20k in conditions, it’s about being able to maintain a high level of DPS once they get rolling (takes a few seconds) that is theoretically able to average out to 20k (emphasis on theoretically as I haven’t seen someone do it yet, it’s just on paper).
Except a condi engineer can’t sustain 20k DPS. Its closer to 7k. MAYBE 10 if they’re extremely good with the rotation but that’s pushing it. I have the good sense to admit that that sort of sustained DPS isn’t actually possible. Especially considering that the current meta says that full berserker is expected to do around 15k sustained DPS. Which also isn’t actually possible. 12k is possible maybe 13k, but pushing up to 15k far far beyond what any profession is reasonably capable of.
Also I bring up solo play, such as soloing Mossman because it gives us a base to talk about what DPS someone is actually doing. We know how much health mossman has and how long it takes you to kill it. In order to be doing 20k DPS you’d actually need to be able to solo kill mossman in a 50 in about a minute and 30 seconds. In the best case senario if we assume the mossman has 2 million health 4 minutes is about 8k DPS on full glass berserker stats. The community has unanimusly agreed that berserker is the highest possible DPS. And I don’t even think Mossman has even 2 million heath on a 50. However I don’t think its even that high so we could be looking at 6k or even as low as 4k DPS. Now if we also calculate for the fact that Mossman stealths into that calculation dropping the damage you can maybe calculate 10k in an ideal situation. Though looking at it I’d say closer to 9k.
So the reason to bring it up is to give you an idea just how incredibly off people’s DPS calculations actually are. With my reaper condi rotation. I expect that I’ll average around 8-10k with a burst of maybe 20k. Which that short burst would bring me up a bit. I’d have to calculate it a bit further but conditions have higher ramp time than berserker does and their damage is back loaded. I’ve used the example just to point out the flaws that the community has about DPS. They think they’re doing 20k-30k when in reality they’re doing closer to 6-9k.
Why I bring up my experience with fractals while soloing is because I looking for uses for mechanics in high tension situations. I’ll bring a single party member or a 3rd simply to further test high stress situations. We want to see how these skills can be effective in the encounters without actually cheesing the system by stacking or abusing line casting.
Basically I’m doing my research!
Of course you left out the fact that the best necro solo of 50 mossman is 50% SLOWER than engineer. so if engineer is “only” doing 9k dps then necro tops out at 6k.
So after all that typing we are back to the same point, engineer dps >>>> necro dps
Then legendary crafting is a NO NO for me, I will not stand for being forced to play PvP by anyone. Ascended will have to do.
Bwahaha, now be happy. You can buy the PvP-Stuff. If you want more, I have no idea how Anet can help you. Like many others here and in other discussions pointed out: its a legendary journy, not a I only do what i want to do and get the best looking shiny journy.
The outcome of this depends on the quantity needed to complete a legendary.
You only get 2 per reward track it seems. If you need 10 then they probably won’t be too expensive. If you need 100, then I suspect they will be 100+ gold each.
It seems that you will need 100 shards of glory for tier 1 of the precursor. (Source: http://dulfy.net/2015/09/26/gw2-twitchcon-legendary-journey-in-hot/ look into the video, the screenshot is not the best to see how many you will need) Abou the quantity you will need for the other tiers of the precursur we only can assume. I think it would be possible to take 300 for a full precursor. That would be 150 full rewardtracks. I must say, really not bad.
Maybe Anet trys to make the ressource-aspekt of the pre-collection optainable for all game mods. I mean if a PvP player whats to do the pre-collection to craft a pre, he must get (Spiritwood Plank for example) somewhere. In most cases, they will more likly buy them, then spend there time in PvE farming for those. So the PvP player gets something he can sell to buy other parts he wants. It sounds like a fair deal. I hope WvW will get something along that line.
if you only got 2 per reward track then 300 would be insane. No one would ever get a legendary. you get 1.5 ticks of a reward track per win. There are 40 ticks per full reward track, or 27 wins per reward track. That is 1 shard for every 13.5 wins. Each match is ~15 minutes in total duration. That is 200 minutes per shard, or 1000 hours of PvP just to get the shards.
Shards would cost upwards of 100g each, making precursors cost more than 30,000g each.
So obviously there are either more ways to get them, you don’t actually need 300, or Anet made a horrible mistake somewhere.
The biggest problem is burn. Burn needs to go down 20% and bleed needs to go up 20%.
This would bring down the burn giants, and bring up some of the lowly bleed based classes.
Necro in particular relies heavily on bleed making it one of the lowest dps condition classes.
Sinister engineer just needs a nerf overall, since it has high burn, high bleed, AND high direct damage.
Druid will certainly be nerfed, saw lots of videos of druids winning 4v1’s lol. Which should give a bunch of different healing options.
http://i.imgur.com/gUGC1KJ.png
Optimal rotation.
3.5k direct damage, hardly high considering
6.8k bleed DPS, yes it can spike high with shrapnel grenade even as high as 14k, but still you average down to 6.8k
8.6k burn, which is again why I say that a nerf to burn would be a slight hit to engi but with a paired bleed buff it’d balance out ok, but also help other professions raise their standings.
Lastly…. This is all theoretical. This rotation is one I haven’t seen someone able to record fully. 70% is probably what I’m able to achieve if that. I’d be impressed if anyone would even recite the rotation in order let alone pull it off.
Anyways I think the Engi hate is a bit overexaggerated by theoretical numbers. Anyone who thinks otherwise is free to record themselves pulling off the perfect rotation
It takes a lot of skill to pull off the full rotation, but there are really just 4-5 priority skills that make up 80% of that dps. Sure it is hard to get the last 20%, but you can get most of the way there with much less work.
Even still, those numbers are just crazy. Necro the “king” of bleeds can only get to ~7k sustained with 9k burst bleed. And they have to sacrifice all burning damage to get there, and they do no direct damage (about 400 dps). They do get ~1.2K dps from poison with 3k poison burst, and 1.5k torment (moving).
But they are a far cry from engineer.
Necro/Reaper is one of the worst classes for condi build.
Completely wrong now. Reaper adds an option for a condition build with damaging chill and insane amounts of bleed and poison. Rabid Reaper is new meta
Lots of flashy animations, but dps is only slightly better than before.
Chill is very unreliable and is almost always overridden in groups of more than 4. Not worth taking in PvE at the moment.
Bleed is unchanged, decent dps but not top tier. Generally getting around 6k ticks on average, can sometimes pulse up to 8k for 1-2s.
Burn is better with the faster attack of RS, but in order to get good burn dps you need to camp RS and just spam AA, losing all your bleed stacks. Net dps loss over bleed stacking, but it does have the advantage of much fast ramp up time for burst and tight groups.
We get decent burst with CPC + RS4 for poison stacking. Can get up to 30 stacks of poison, but they only last 2-3 seconds before dropping back down to an average of 6 stacks or about 1.2k dps.
Definitely not META, not even in the same league as condi engineer or ranger. Not as good as Bezerker hybrid or condi mesmer for dps either. I’d rank us kitten or 6 as far as condition dps goes.
However, we have by far the most sustain out of any condition dps build. We will pretty much never die. Of course this isn’t all that great since no one dies in PvE anyway, even in raids people aren’t going down after 2 days of practice.
Medium dps condition tank may be a thing for reaper though. Swap LC for PC, swap deathly chill for blighters boon, full rabid gear, and you should be able to stay up for a while.
Lengendaries with crafted precursors?
in Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns
Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573
High-end PvE should be a difficult, real-time puzzle that changes depending upon actions taken by individuals and teams.
It should be a mixture of (1) tPvP where players need to know what every profession and specialization needs for support with (2) highly-intelligent proactive and reactive AIs aggressively countering a team’s strategy while also having specific strengths and weaknesses players are expected to memorize and build for.
Do the raid bosses dodge red circles or attempt to interrupt big attacks or heals? Were they immune to lightning while the break bar drops faster to blind than any other condition? Did any boss corrupt one type of boon like fury and strip other types?
I’ll say if that was how high end PVE was defined I’d not be doing high end PVE
The main difference is that I’m not going against a player. It’s not skill vs skill, it’s skill vs mechanics set up to activate either statically or randomly in a way to challenge the player. When randomness doesn’t give you counter play so that you can overcome it with skill, well it’s just silly. Randomly evading bosses are dumb. Ones that intelligently evade can be manipulated and it’d be another form of CC. I could go on, but I think that what you describe is great for PVP because it’s skill vs skill, if you get interrupted/dodged its’ because taht player was good enough to answer your tell, in PVE it’d just be either random or manipulatable and naw, that’s not good design.
AI that behaves more like player is good design. You issue seems more like you want content that can be conquered easily after countless repetition.
I guess that makes sense. PvEers want “difficult” content in a sense that they want content that will challenging for a couple of days.
AI behaving more like players would be really boring… Fighting off point, spamming 1 skill over and over, going off to solo something for no reason, rage quitting mid fight…
No thanks, I’d rather my interesting and engaging mechanics with tight timers and good teamwork required.