Guild Wars 2

Some changes look nice, but not exactly sure if adrenal health should be nerfed. It is very strong and warriors became fearsome again thanks to that trait :P Also, there is no reason for warrior sprint trait to completely replace swiftness, that is just lame.
For stances, I don’t think it is necessary to lower cds.
The change I agree with the most is rush, for god’s sake, anet fix that skill finally… again, not sure if numbers aren’t too hight, but if that makes the skill to actually hit hargets, I am fine with it.

EDIT: after more info provided about reasons, I still think some mentioned changes are not necessary

Tomiyou.3790:

Head butt also has a way too fast animation than it should, tho to a lesser degree than Arc Divider.

Just stop…

This idea intrigued me so much, that right now, I am getting all things necessary for at least 80% boon duration. It may not look viable, but lets conclude ins and outs after some real testing (for wvw) :P

Why not? Gunflame is similar case. It does not root you + you usually cast it with quickness too = better than killshot. Arc divider just belongs into great skills category warrior has right now.

Fat Disgrace.4275:

If anything, the range of this attack is to blame, keep it the same as arking slice.

Uhm… no?

SuperKorean.7345:

There are so many people who likes to record fighting people in WvW.
I am not going to say all WvW players are bad
but
from my experience,
95% of WvW players dont know how to do small group fights or 1vs1.
only about 5% are exceptionally skilled at small group fights and 1vs1.
Even if some of them are masters of 50 vs 50 fights,
they are still Amber level players in small group fights
I used to record videos of killing multiple people in WvW myself.
but I dont do it anymore
because it feels like 20 year old adult recording a video of beating up little kids.
I dont want to be a Diamond tier 7 player recording a video of beating up little Amber level players.
I get matched up against ESL players and high prestige Legendary players
and this means my mmr is way higher than Diamond tier 7
By watching your video,
I assume that your skill level is roughly about Diamond tier 5 ~ Legendary tier 2
Why don’t you go fight your own skill level in ranked pvp matches??
If you can go beat up ESL players, please do record them and post it here please
those are the videos worth watching

This is a video of my friend fighting a ESL player “Magic Toker” in a ranked match

https://youtu.be/xKkwBlfWsZU

If you can kill a ESL player like this, please record them and post it here please.
Killing little novice players is not impressive at all

Just because you got rekted badly by this awsum teef, you don’t need to cry here.
It is obvious that those players are worse than the awsum teef. If you like MLG then go watch esports on Twitch.

OtterPaws.2036:

Nothing, vastly different game that meets a different audience.

Different audience? I loved GW2 before anet destroyed its game. It used to be my most favorite game and I spent so much time playing it as I loved it. Now I don’t bother anymore and I cannot wait for BDO whether it is going to be good or not, we shall see.

I am not saying that I will never come back to GW2, but I will not if anet doesn’t start keeping their promises (yes, cats and empty plate).

I am actually frustrated only about PvP/WvW. PvE is fine even though I disagree with dungeon rewards nerf. But I can live with that and I understand why they did it (or at least I think so…).

My feedback is meant for developers and someone who can make a change. I may be naive, but I tried anyway. There is nothing else I can do anyway. I am sorry if I offended you or brought bad feelings with posting my opinion somehow. But you will have to respect it whether you like it or not.

EDIT: After carefully reading all your comment, I will ignore the pointless part mentioning me as “wannabe dreaming about becoming the best with warrior”.
But you are right. I am a consumer. A customer. So I can freely write my feedback of product that I bought.

Hi, I am warrior and this is my feedback thread that will very likely fade away in few days.
This thread is about PvP/WvW and has nothing to do with PvE.

The whole thing started with stats change on 23.6.2015:

Attribute Point Changes

• Attribute points on equipment have been increased by approximately 30%.
  + change from when everyone is able to pick three full trait lines

At that time, everyone was crying about mesmers dealing too much damage with shatter combo wombo… whatever, (almost) everyone was dealing too high damage. Combat was more dynamic, yes, but at the cost of healthy (and skilled) gameplay.

Next change happened actually earlier on 16.3.2015:

• Stability: This boon has been changed from a duration stack type to an intensity stack type. Crowd-control effects will remove one instance of stability apiece each time they are applied. Each ability and trait has been adjusted to apply a certain number of stacks.

This was a bad change, not at that time, but because later this change resulted into something much worse. The problem is exactly what is happening now. Classes + with their elite specialisations were given too much (crowd control skills, evades, …) + short CD stunbreaks to deal with this stability change AND cc spam (even though it was more half a year later, but whatever). In the past, stuns and hard cc was warrior’s speciality mostly. Now, almost any class can spam it and warrior is not even in the first three spots.

Spammable skills and high damage increase broke the whole intelligent gameplay and made combat less skill depended.

I am not saying it did not exist before, but it is obviously much worse now.

Between those changes you nerfed the only supportive warrior’s bunker build with high sustain – shoutbow. Warrior had none since that. With HoT release when on 1.12.2015 – PvP Legendary Journey — The Ascension – started, it was obvious which elite specialisations were broken = most used. No need to name them.

I will briefly mention nerfing warrior’s mobility that was given to druid, because it was overpowered in hands of warrior. Adrenaline change was good but only partially. Adrenaline loss on burst skill miss was good, the decay part when out of combat made whole warrior mechanic clumsy and abusable from opponent’s side. Also some very important warrior skills are still being affected by chill and cripple (Eviscerate, Shield Bash, Headbutt – not sure if there are also other skills). This only shows, how developers do not know/care about BASIC things in warrior class. There are too much things to mention, but that is not point of this thread.

I tried to remain optimistic about the last balance patch, but it is no longer possible. Developers did very simple (lazy) changes, not looking at all on major warrior issues AND issues with other classes too. Removing few amulets in PvP will not solve it.

Also, changes in WvW, mechanic and new borderlands:
New WvW mechanic released with HoT practically destroyed WvW, especially small roaming groups/solo roaming. It does not matter anymore. The newest change (objective upgrades based on number of dolyaks – 26.1.2016) will not revert the mistake you did. New desert borderlands are beautiful in terms of design, but they are inferior to the original ones. They are too vertical and complex. Original borderlands were just fine (with the original WvW mechanic).

Both gamemodes – PvE and PvP/WvW should be balanced separately AND developers should take player’s feedback more seriously. Not only when making new elite specialisations… oh wait…

I think the better thing to do, is not to put unblockables on skills, but rather reduce block spam (yes, I look at you dragonkitten).
Warrior has troubles, but mostly because other specs have just too much compared to warrior.
It is true though, that unblockable would be easier way… just what anet likes!

Warrior is absolutely trash everywhere except PVE. Sustain is bad and developers did not solve absolutely anything with last balance patch. All they did are some lazy adjustments (not needed damage increases, weapon skills CD reductions that will never make fast hands only optional, buffing still useless heals, evade on rifle is situational – long cast time). I am maximally disappointed and can’t wait for Black Desert Online. There is higher chance that warriors there will be better than to expect better survivalability from anet developers that don’t even read feedback on this forum. I will rather quit than reroll to broken class/elite specialisation just because it is broken. I will wait before selling my account (if I manage to do that) just to see if next balance patch is the last salvation for this game. I will also make another thread where I will whine about all kitten that destroyed this game for me, from my point of view – even though I know that no one cares at all. I just need to give my feedback for current state of this game.
No hate, just disappointment.

Nice changes indeed, but I agree with Choppy, Death from Above is pretty good to be removed and every class has fall damage reduction trait after all…
What I like the most is projectile reflect on 100b… that would be so good, really
What I would like to see is adrenaline to be used more “actively” for healing. E.g. every adrenaline spent (for F1 bursts – not decay ofc…) would heal for the reasonable amount of health… or something like that. Adrenal health is meh… and saying that warrior needs to be kept simple is just an excuse for lazyness.

I know, but that is exactly the point. I dont want to sustain as lame druid. I dueled one for 10 minutes and we just stopped because it was annoying… not saying he was pro or what, but still…
In case of “serious” duels, I would go rifle anyway and do “burst fast or die” tactics…
I would never play other profession just because it is stronger/more broken. Warrior will always be my main.

Anet is too shortsighted to balance, I expected more from last patch and I am trying to remain optimistic about buffs, but really, it is not enough…

https://youtu.be/1SP-f8CxOR8

build: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJEQNAR5enMdAVhglkCehAElilrADJAkASdvj2S7rVJH06qBA-TVCCABjpEk99Hu4CAUnuBNeAA5dQAoR9HqU+BwRAgMAmLA-w

Using Burst Mastery instead of Heightened Focus is really better. I also find precision nourishment boost better than power, because lack of fury.
This build really feels like true brawler!

The problem is not warrior, the problem is other classes being brokenly and horribly OP.
Q_Q

On serious note, warrior is ok, but still needs some adjustments.
Sad thing is that anet completely forgot about physical skills. I wish physical and rage skills could all break stuns (maybe if traited)… that would make them much more versatile.

Outrage skill does not work when dazed and activating it during dodge. No adrenaline gain, no stunbreak = no effects from traits.

https://youtu.be/9yHYy1FNk_Y

And yes. I am 100% sure that I have all traits needed.

Come on… mace main hand in duels is actually good. As berserk mode F1 burst, it’s gold.
Why do you think mace sucks?

Lol, rousing resilience and outrage have perfect synergy… with another traits like Eternal Champion (Gain stability while in berserk mode. Gain stability and might when you break out of stun.)
I find cleansing ire obsolete and underwhelming. I am not using it at all and in condi duels, I manage to clean all this kitten pretty easily – brawlers recovery, sigil of generosity, Savage Instinct (removes 2 condis), healing signet active effect, berserker stance…
Last stand is not bad, but with berserker elite, its just not worth imo.

Arms trait-line is mandatory if you want to use normal warrior for PVE solos and maximize DPS. You get precision boost, faster adrenaline gain and additionally if you need shorter cd on sword offhand block for better survivalability. So it is definitely useful. In PvP on the other hand…

YaYa.5879:

It’s The best thing that could have happened to the warrior in the current meta

Before it the only thank it did was make sure that any new conditions wouldn’t apply to you. Which means that if you had 8 condis on you and used the skill, well the 8 condis would still kill you.

Now if you are getting bashed on by a condi thief or necro: all these waves of condis applied to you don’t damage you. So it’s awesome. I’m really happy with it.

But if a necro can strip it, than you are like a sick person in america with no insurance (screwed)

Exactly this. Yesterday, this new change saved my life two times from enemy zerg in wvw
and I am completely fine with it being strip-able as trade off.

This change is just too situational imo…
They should also slower down adrenaline decay at least by 33%. It just goes down too fast

It seems that…
…
…
…
the black hole sucked them.
But HURR DURR, we got damage buffs! Don’t complain and l2p.
This comment has no value, I am just sad… I expected a lot more.

Gunflame is pretty deadly because of quickness when going berserker mode, so it is harder do evade/block/whatever. I personally consider gunflame build cheesy and skill less… especially when going defense trait line for passives…
I think it would be much “healthier” if Gunflame got fast cast time but it would root player and killshot had longer cast time but you could move. I am not saying it would solve the issue… i just find it more logical…

The change is actually not that bad. When you get blinded and you use BS, all condis on you don’t do anything right when resistance takes effect. In this case, you don’t have to be worried with being blinded or weakened before activating BS. In duels with necros, lets be direct: necros are most vulnerable to ccs. This change actually gave them a chance to be able to do something when facing hammer or mace/shield warrior. I don’t mind this change at all. The only thing I am sad about is that stances did not get any CD reductions …

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

While I was able to duplicate most of the things in the video, I do have 1 question. About the rush direction change, do I need to have skill retargeting selected in order for this to work?

Yes. Sometimes it can get pretty annoying when trying to disengage in wvw… rushing from enemy and accidentally selecting them so I just turn back to them xD
But for example volley is great skill to use with this skill retargetting. Or faking killshot/gunflame (changing target at the last time).

inb4 warrior OP #warriorwars2

Actually, I was thinking about this too few days ago, but I assume that the fire field lasts for too short to be practically useful…

Kontrolle.3514:

They should nerf Warrior hammer because its far superior to guardian hammer….

Be careful what you wish for. If you start comparing 1v1. Warrior still has unmatched mobility, stability, hp, armor and cc.

Say hi to daredevil and druid. Warrior is inferior to many classes in terms of mobility after mobility patch (swiftness and other movement impending boons/condis do not affect mobility skills anymore).
Or were you just sarcastic?

Really nice vid and i fully agree, warrior is beautiful class

Hmm… that is a good idea. I will try this with burst mastery. I like quickness trait because when/if I land my burst cc combo, I can have enough quickness to do quick stomp. But in inc patch, it does not matter anymore :P
And I don’t see many warriors playing mace/shield at all in wvw nowadays… mostly rifle, or axe/shield, that is why.

Thanks to Cygnus and his great build. I have a lot of fun with it. I used to play berserker rifle, but it is too mainstream and boring.
It’s nice that with incoming balance patch, things will get pretty much only better
wohooo

build: http://de.gw2skills.net/editor/?vJEQNAR5enMdAVhglkCehAElilrATJH06aBvj2S7rFJAkASdA-TVCCABUp8jG1fy7gAw++DXcBAqT3wYKB14BAAwRAgMAmjB-w

I think thief is fine. I would actually nerf some things and give thieves one additional dodge as baseline, so with daredevil traitline, they could have 4 dodges.
Oh and I would also remove ability for thieves to use daggers. Problem solved.

https://youtu.be/roLu-JW74iU

I have no idea how, I did not do anything! I also sent few bug reports. After I relogged, it was gone and I am no longer able to do that. Probably some server issues?

PS: Please don’t ban me! I do not have my fingers in this black magic.

Trait description:
Reflect missiles whenever you are blocking. Gain might when you block an attack. Shield skills recharge faster.

Rune description:
When you block a foe’s attack, gain 1 second of regeneration.

In my montage, I block ranger’s rapid fire (reflecting it) and getting might from it, but not regeneration.
So I think it is bug.

Choppy.4183:

cryorion.9532:

I tried this build with slight sigil variation on weapons and I have to say, that it’s really good build with probably the best sustain warrior can get with berserker gear.
It can’t kill everything, but I am tired of gunflaming everything around :P

I made montage with some interesting fights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTekd7eVb6A

Shame that it is doable only in wvw as the rune is not available in pvp.
Anyway, thanks for your effort!

Were you definitely using Defender Runes in all of that footage. Several times it seemed like you weren’t getting the regen you should have for blocking attacks. For example….

https://youtu.be/qTekd7eVb6A?t=8m15s

Yes, 100% sure (you can see that I get 4k heal when I block – 6th bonus of the rune – in the last fight). When I look at the rune on wiki, there should not be any internal cd… which is strange. But you know anet… if skills like eviscerate are still affected by cripple or chill because “they forgot”, I am not even surprised…

I tried this build with slight sigil variation on weapons and I have to say, that it’s really good build with probably the best sustain warrior can get with berserker gear.
It can’t kill everything, but I am tired of gunflaming everything around :P

I made montage with some interesting fights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTekd7eVb6A

Shame that it is doable only in wvw as the rune is not available in pvp.
Anyway, thanks for your effort!

We need sustain buff, all we have now (the most “effective”) are stances with high cd. The only good sustain build that worked well was shoutbow, but it was nerfed – destroyed. Actually, it looks like it was given to other classes as elite specs…

Half year ago, people were crying about gs/hammer warriors with Rampage being OP. Try that set up now… hammer is absolutely useless now (+ people learned to fight against it as it was very used build at that time).

What I hate the most is constant condi and cc spam… all I see in pvp now is being bunker with spammable conditions and ccs being the most effective.
Yes, it is simplified, but in general that is how I think it is.
The last hope is waiting for us in the end of January.

Malpractice.7850:

lighter.2708:

warrior can not stand any focus at all. they die way too easy in team fight.
in duels, you can probably put up a fight

Put up a fight? Look at my results. Change your build, your playstyle, and things will work just fine as it has for me. Adapt to the meta. Crush the meta.

I do just fine in both 1v1 and team situations. I cant think of any profession i’m having a difficult time with.

If you have such a great time playing warrior and rolling over other classes with it, you should also try those different classes. I am sure you would be over the top of everyone

Draknar.5748:

This is an example of a poor post. Just over-the-top ranting, with sweeping statements that don’t offer any specifics and absolutely no solutions. Simply “the game is trash fix it”.

Competent people communicating with community would be a very good start. As OP mentioned "Fix the game and stop ignoring your players. ".

BrotherBelial.3094:

We all run into players we just can’t beat, they will just be better than us for what ever reason, be it they know there class better than we know ours, or they just are a better player. As soon as you realise this, the happier you will be.

That is true. But you cannot deny there are specs which are over the top and require toning down and others need rework/buffs.

Well, this has been always problem of this game so… nothing new here
#anet #shiftingmeta

The yolo rifle berserk build is the only reason I still play warrior, tbh. It is so much fun and those numbers are just priceless. If you have bad sustain, you need to kill fast I guess…
no condi cleanse except healing signet’s active effect, average mobility… but the fun and satisfaction level upon landing 9-18k gunflame is what keeps me playing this game…

EDIT: I play only WvW now.

IMO they want people to play less warrior and thief professions. I really can’t think of any other rational explanation.

Currently, DH is for people who like to win with little effort. Almost like PU condi mesmer. Nerf inc soon™

You are definitely not alone. I feel confident with my warrior only in PVE now, I tried some WvW yesterday after a few months and… I just cannot bother anymore. It is like… headbutt to the wall. I will not reroll, I will just play some PVE stuff… and if raids are going to be bad, I will just take a long break.

Thuggernaut.1250:

Rauderi.8706:

I’m beginning to think half my frustration with playing warrior in HoT is warrior itself. Or how every mob seems hellbent on countering warrior (and melee in general). The accusations of “Range Wars 2” aren’t wrong by any stretch.

(The other half of my frustration is shoddy layouts in portions of the map design.)

Could be that part of my combat frustration is choosing hammer, for the sake of murdering Defiance bars (and squishing pocket raptors :P), instead of the “more acceptable” greatsword and longbow. But that’s kind of the point in saying it. If you’re not using Phalanx Strength/Greatsword or ShoutBow, there aren’t any decent builds to tackle HoT content.

My non-Chrono mesmer walked in and wrecked shop, effortlessly. My ranger sails through most of the enemies. But my warrior has to close massive gaps in order to deal subpar damage, while enemies either leap-stealth away or charging-knockdown with no-cooldown skills.

So, I’m not sure if I regret HoT itself, or just experiencing it with a warrior.

Good observation… I too noticed that melee is at a severe disadvantage in HoT PvE, with all the mobs constantly spamming knockdowns and other CC attacks.

Lol, in pve, warrior is just fine, even condi berserker can be somehow interesting (I have to try that one)
I had no big troubles killing things with full zerker gear at all in HoT.
The broblem with warrior and berserker is in PvP.
#anetshiftingmeta

I am tired of it too. I tried dueling with it but… It is only good for fun gameplay if you don’t mind dying all the time because of no sustain… and that is all.
I am really disappointed, they buffed the damage and that is exactly what warrior does not need…

You don’t. You buy it.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Correcting your thought.

Berserker is bad.

Core warrior is amazing.

I agree, while I really love core warrior, the new elite spec is just disappointing comparing it to other elite specs before HoT release, I was really looking forward to try it as it looked promising… nope

No, it is not. At least not in PvP. Try to duel something with berserker. You will see how lackluster it is compared to other elite specs. I thought it was awesome but after some time, I realized.