Guild Wars 2

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

daros.3407:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

daros.3407:

After all axe/mace – GS is made to maximize dmg but you will use its full potential only with 3xwar, mes, guard.

This is incredibly false. Axe/Mace is still superior even in pugs and unorganized groups.

Change mace to warhorn and what is difference? Few % of dmg becouse of one trait few stacks of vulnerabilily……And even this is lowered if you have empowered, becouse with horn you have at least one more boon on yourself then with mace. And more then sometimes 2 more boons.
Axe/mace has highest dps but you will hardly see any difference with warhorn instead of mace. Warhorns skills more then fully compensate those few % lost on dmg. Everything depends on group and encounter. There are bosses thet would be very foolish to melee them Axe/mace – GS without premade group and at least one even with. Vigor makes huge difference.
7200 hit instead of 7500 is not that great loss. If someone wants to have more survival ability it is much better do it by changing mace to warhorn instead of using knight gear. There the loss would be much bigger.
If you want to quote something quote whole post and not one sentence out of context. What i said is right. You will use FULL potetial of axe/mace-GS only with ,,premade" group.

I use Warhorn quite a bit. However, I don’t claim that it’s superior DPS to axe/mace. Axe/Mace is superior dps in all situations. I actually used warhorn on the last speed run guide I did, because the party swiftness in between fights was more useful than the extra dps during the brief boss fights. You say “full potential” but I don’t know what that means, 4 stacks of vulnerability and an on demand aoe CC is good regardless of party composition.

With full potetial i mean as much dps as its possible. Truths is that you can do highest dps only with Axe/mace + GS. But you can do it only with 3x war, mess, guard.
Still you are right Axe/mace has highest dps even in pug but difference between Axe/mace and axe/warhorn or shield is much lower then it would be in premade group.
So this is why i said ,,After all axe/mace – GS is made to maximize dmg but you will use its full potential only with 3xwar, mes, guard."
And OP said he runs usually in pug so i wanted to give him advice to use warhorn instead of knight gear for more survival ability. I think we both agree it is much better.

Shpongle.6025:

lucky for me, i come from a place where words are pronounced and spelled the way they are written

unlike english where they’re written one way, pronounced another, and spelled a third, i just read things the way they’re written…

kat tru d wuords sou tu spik
cut through the words so to speak

I dont know what is your langueage( perhaps czech? )but to be fair lot of people thinks they speak words how they write them :-) But somene with absolutely different language (for example English and czech) can see it as totaly different writing and reading.
But as far as i know english is language that is differently written and spelled even for natives.
But maybe i am wrong, feel free to correct me americans, britons, irish and others :-)

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

daros.3407:

After all axe/mace – GS is made to maximize dmg but you will use its full potential only with 3xwar, mes, guard.

This is incredibly false. Axe/Mace is still superior even in pugs and unorganized groups.

Change mace to warhorn and what is difference? Few % of dmg becouse of one trait few stacks of vulnerabilily……And even this is lowered if you have empowered, becouse with horn you have at least one more boon on yourself then with mace. And more then sometimes 2 more boons.
Axe/mace has highest dps but you will hardly see any difference with warhorn instead of mace. Warhorns skills more then fully compensate those few % lost on dmg. Everything depends on group and encounter. There are bosses thet would be very foolish to melee them Axe/mace – GS without premade group and at least one even with. Vigor makes huge difference.
7200 hit instead of 7500 is not that great loss. If someone wants to have more survival ability it is much better do it by changing mace to warhorn instead of using knight gear. There the loss would be much bigger.
If you want to quote something quote whole post and not one sentence out of context. What i said is right. You will use FULL potetial of axe/mace-GS only with ,,premade" group.

It sounds to me like they inspired in old aztec (or mayans as someone said, i am not that expert) language and names. Use its pronounce.
I dont know what is your native language and if its english (i suppose from how you showed us your pronouncing) it is hard to write becouse english is absolutely diferent.
For example E is totaly different then in english alphabet.
Like some said word tequila could help to get a picture :-D
,,Te.." is same, but without that hard english T. English natives always use too strong emphasis on T, D, G, K…as first letter, when prenouncing words they dont know.
Edit:
I found video where you can hear it many times. Good prenounce, but that english TTTTTT…:-D
Edit 2: Yes found video but forgot to pass link here…:-D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWBHmeAJhT0

Your build is fine, but i would also change knight armor to berserker. You will see great boost in dmg and survival ability is really job of guiardians.
But it is good idea to use warhorn or shield instead of mace. After all axe/mace – GS is made to maximize dmg but you will use its full potential only with 3xwar, mes, guard. So if group doesnt use this setup warhorn is great alternative. Difference in dmg is minimal but difference in support you provide is huge. And if you realy want to have more survival ability take 10 points from strenght and put them to tactic to boost your warhorn. Converting conditions in such fast rate as warhorn provide is survival boost not only for you but also for whole party + perma vigor is always appreciated :-)

kiba.2768:

daros.3407:

Every time someone says ,,You can have it for free if you gather all mats" a kitten dies.
Someone farm gold then buy mats and then craft, while others farm mats and craft. Where is difference? There is non. You still farm and then spend all you farmed and price is same.
Oh sory there is one difference. Those who farm gold have it much more faster and probably more fun then just running around maps and digging. But still too boring becouse it is farming anyway.

hey i’m a digger. a gold digger.

but really. not everyone finds that buying all their mats off the tp to be fun. some players like running around gathering their own mats.

the opportunity cost is still there either way. you pay it with time and you only get 24h in a day…

Yes of course you can enjoy whatever you want in game it is your right. But as you say if you gather all mats instead of farming gold and buying mats you still pay the price.
But lot of people seems to forgeting that with their statement ,,gather everything and you pay nothing".

Every time someone says ,,You can have it for free if you gather all mats" a kitten dies.
Someone farm gold then buy mats and then craft, while others farm mats and craft. Where is difference? There is non. You still farm and then spend all you farmed and price is same.
Oh sory there is one difference. Those who farm gold have it much more faster and probably more fun then just running around maps and digging. But still too boring becouse it is farming anyway.

Svetli.4276:

funny i did not spend 1 gold to max weaponsmith or to craft acendet
i had a lot of saved mats
if you play alot you will have stuff if you stay offline all the time you will have kitten

I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU MUST NOT PLAY AND GET STUFF ??? play and get gold >_> it is super easy now do cof ac hotw se cm ta coe and there you go ! mats and gold up the kitten

Do it 100 times for one weapon and its farming and that is problem.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Lian Olsam.9541:

onestly it is no funny with the weapon, cause u have to farm gold or mat, and in the gw2 manifesto was wrote “no grind no farm” i think that u made it wrong with weapon but is already done, you also need alot of money for crafting exotic for reach the lvl 500 many ppl doesent farm gold, omg its gw2 not other mmo let me fun, not farm, a big mistake, cause now who dont have alot of money is *

with armor i suggest to require, karma that u got from ANY part of game with the same quantity, skill points cause u learn xp in ANY part of the game, a BIT of laurel, so u just have to play all THAT U WANT, not a part of a game, and a small ammount of fractal relics and token, wth its ascended its for ppl that play fotm, why those ppl doesent anything more than others, they need it for play his favorite dungeon…
i know its the best set on the game (except legendary, same stat but more cool) but i dont wanna farm, i just wanna play like manifesto said

dont talk me about easyest and faster then other games cause i dont care about that gw2 should be different, if ppl that like to farm and keep them busy wanna be superbusy just make really hard to do legendary stuff, but for ppl that have a job and life and can play 1-2 hours per day and in those time dont wanna do (they also cant) champ farm, temple farm, 4000 dungeon.. but we wanna just play and have fun
and also dont talk me about “you dont need ascended for play” cause i want it, i like fotm, and i’d like do pairs lvl over 50 so stop with useless reply and be constructive if u dont like my idea find another solution, but i dont wanna play at grind wars 2

thanks

Hi there! Grinding exists, but Anet isn’t forcing you to do so. Because you want an Ascended weapon, you must choose between voluntary grinding, or waiting to get a lucky drop. So the Manifesto still applies.

It is not only ,,you want it". Now there are big reasons why people should make ascended weapons and in future it will be necessity for sure. If they would just want to add new fancy skins they would just add new fancy skins and no ascended weapons.
So basically everyone will be forced to have it at some point so manifesto does not applies. You have to farm and grind for it, becouse relying on drop is like relying on drop of precursor = win billion in lottery.

Nicely said. They nerfed karma gaining a lot now so acquiring for it could be hard now too, but still 100 times better then weapon style now.
First of all they should completely abandon idea of ascended armor crafting. And if they are so confident that it is so good then let us craft it via Mystic forge like Legendaries. So we dont have to lvl another professions to 500. 3 proffesions to 500 are enough.
I hope they are reasonable enough to see how bad feedback it has ( Yes there are lot of people having no problem with it but there is huge number of people hating it. Too huge to ignore)
They are changing Tequatl to make him harder and more fun they say. So change other dragons and events too, or dungeons or add new content that will have good chance to drop Ascended armor. But really good chance. Nothing like 0,0001 as always.
Make hard content with reliable chance of dropping ascended armor. Make people coordinate and try hard to complete this dungeon or whatever that new content would be. But if we will make it, give us what we want directly and nothing like ,,here you have ten pieces of something and when you will have 250 you will get what you want for it.
This is best for everyone casual or hardcore or whatever.

kRiza krimos.1637:

daros.3407:

kRiza krimos.1637:

You need alot more money to buy legendary than to buy your way to 500 crafting. Difference is huge.
Fractals and acsended weapon argument is silly, there are other items that can be upgraded with AR that one slot on weapon wont make that much difference. At least not for casual player that plays 2 times a week. I doubt there are any casuals that play 2 days per week and are going for fractals beyond 20…

Not to mention that there is no content that casual player cant enjoy in without acsended weapon…
And OP is complaining about outfitting several alts, now im wondering is he realising that playing several alts demands several times bigger time investment than it would take to do things on one char.

Silly argument? Then you never run fractals. Do you even know what is ar limit for trinkets? And do you know what AR you need to do 50+ fractal?
If you would know it you would never say it is silly argument….
Trinket limit is not enough to do 50lvl fractal. Weapons will allow us to do 50 to 58/59.
But 60 will be again probably imposible to do until ascended armor.

And what casual player that plays 2 days per week does lvl 50 fractals? Next time read whole post instead going rage reply same second you seen word silly…

I dont belive your doubts that is all. After year there is surely great number of casual players running hight fractals.

Player Character.9467:

Just gonna cut out the rage and the engursh.

daros.3407:

you need Ascended weapons for fractal. Everyone know why.

No, you don’t. 50+ still instant kills at maw.

I’m not sure you know what demagog even means…

Demagogue is someone who lies or or put facts to wrong meaning or how he needs them for his argumets to get people on his side or make them to belive his opinions are right. If your language or english takes demagogue as something different i could not know it and it is not my fault.
And why i told him he is demagogue is explained in my post. There is no need to be more of topic about it.

Player Character.9467:

daros.3407:

Orion the Cursed.1206:

You are the one that has never done fractals. Perhaps if you try listening and learning… Maybe if i use caps…

You start with LOW LEVEL FRACTALS and you can use masterwork gear to beat them. 1-10 LEVEL FRACTALS DONT HAVE AGONY.

AFTER THAT, YOU GET DROPS THAT GIVE YOU AGONY RESISTANCE.

FOR FREE! FREE! FREE! FREE!…

And to what lvl? 45. Is that enought to do high lvl fractals (50 and more)? No it is not!
I will gladly look how you will try to kill maw on 50 lvl with 45 AR without any bug and exploit.

Even with an ascended weapon maw at 50 is still an instant kill.

It may be and if it is nothing is changed. They want to add ascended armor as well. And with this it will not be insta kill. You need them now or in future. No difference at the end you are forced to have them.

Ascended refinment gives almost nothing on 470 and is gray on 475

Clear.8512:

People keep saying grind/casual but give no clear solutions or a clear picture of what they see as just having fun compared to work/grind.

From what I read.

Orr events, dungeons, dailies, jumping puzzles = Grind. What exactly can Arena Net do that you would think…oh ascended weapons amazing. (minus the fact to get rid of them, moot arguement seeing they have been mentioned in the past and in game)

Do you just need to hit pretty button?
Maybe a challenging dungeon with a special anvil at the bottom to morph your exotic gear into ascended?

Give suggestions, it is like that old commerical where people go eww there is trash on the ground and then walk right by it.

On a side note: I don’t feel ascended is a grind but it is difficult to engage in conversations when it is just complaints with no idea of suggestions.

You can see first post here. There is suggestion.

Chipster.6713:

daros.3407:

Chipster.6713:

daros.3407:

,,We dont want players to do boring stuff and grinding to get to good stuff" Those are exact words of Anet employees at the begining of game. Well…..so much for them…

If you keep doing the stuff that you used to, you will eventually end up having everything you need for an ascended weapon. It’s not the sort of grind where you farm fire elementals for 3 weeks straight and nothing else. You can still do dungeons, WvW and everything else while having a higher goal in mind.

World bosses were left alone during the champ buff, but now they’re being downed again because people need the mats from them. It’s an exellent way to make sure that the playerbase will keep everything active instead of just sticking with champ farm.

There are much more better ways how they could add ascended weapons and that is the problem. They chose worst style: Framing and grinding. Crafting weapons themself is not the that big problem….still is small, but to lvl profession from 400 to 500 is horrible.

They’ve reset the discovery of exotic items. That should easen things up.. But think of it this way: Every step you take is getting you closer to your ascended weapon. You can’t just rush it. This will also make that item more special to you when you finally equip and wield it.

It is not about time it is about resources :-) 150g+/- is just too much for 100lvls of one profession.

Chipster.6713:

daros.3407:

,,We dont want players to do boring stuff and grinding to get to good stuff" Those are exact words of Anet employees at the begining of game. Well…..so much for them…

If you keep doing the stuff that you used to, you will eventually end up having everything you need for an ascended weapon. It’s not the sort of grind where you farm fire elementals for 3 weeks straight and nothing else. You can still do dungeons, WvW and everything else while having a higher goal in mind.

World bosses were left alone during the champ buff, but now they’re being downed again because people need the mats from them. It’s an exellent way to make sure that the playerbase will keep everything active instead of just sticking with champ farm.

There are much more better ways how they could add ascended weapons and that is the problem. They chose worst style: Framing and grinding. Crafting weapons themself is not the that big problem….still is small, but to lvl profession from 400 to 500 is horrible.

Orion the Cursed.1206:

daros.3407:

First of all everyone who needs those weapons for fractals needs it becouse he has already full ascended trinkets……This is simple logic.
And second of all you could do even 81 fractal even if you never did a single fractal it is enought to have one player who have that lvl in group.
Your arguments changes nothing. At some point every fractal runer is forced to grind and farm ascended weapons. It is unavoidable for everyone who is runing fractals. And becouse fractals are only progresive PVE content in game, almost every PVE player is forced to farm it.

Lol, now you claim everyone who needs the weapons already has full ascended trinkets. What happened to not being able to play the game? Sorry but just like you dont need Ascended weapons for fractals, you dont need fractals for Ascended weapons. All Ascended weapons do is make it a little easier.

So you are angry that you cant just jump to the hardest content? And you claim you aren’t acting entitled? Haha, not surprising.

Finally for “And becAuse fractals are only progresSive PVE content in game, almost every PVE player is forced to farm it.”, you would be surprised to know that only about 10-20% of players bother to farm fractals.

I am done with you. You are pure demagog (this is not offence) and it is imposible to do constructive debate with you. You take every my word that everyone else uderstand how it is and put to form as you need for you arguments.
,,Now you say…..Now you claim….now you forgot to mention…..
I am only repeating to you what i said already 100 times. That you need Ascended weapons for fractal. Everyone know why. Only you need more and more explanation to use them for more and more demagogy.
You reminds me terminator…….You cant kill people! Why? Becouse of…..! Why? Becouse of this! Why? I already told you becouse of….Why?
I am not going to react on any other of your posts.
P.S. I am not going to react on his post to make OT but i have to edit this: I am not nativ speaker and i am very angry becouse of him :-D Who would not be.. So there are surely some grammatical mistakes. And what Demagogue and demagogy means in modern is quite different from ancient…

Orion the Cursed.1206:

daros.3407:

Every fractal player runnin regulary 30+to 40+ fractals wanted to do 50+ even fractal but they could not. Now they can but they are forced to farm for it. Yeas they are forced becouse without those weapons they have no chance killing Jade maw on 50+.

The amount of stupid here is pure gold…

You: “I am forced to grind so that i can grind but i cant grind without grinding first. I don’t want to grind to grind but the game forces me to grind. Please let me grind without grinding because i wont grind for it.”

Who said i want to grind? I want to enjoy hard contend that 50+ fractals with maw can give me. Like i said Fractals are only progresive PVE content in game. I would be farmer if i would like to run regular dungens all over again but fractals are different. And i want to enjoy its progres without farming. That is what they promised us. ,,No doing boring farming to get to fun staff".

Orion the Cursed.1206:

Orion the Cursed.1206:

And in MANY other posts i explained to you that YOU DONT START AT HIGH LEVEL FRACTALS.

You get 15 AR for FREE.

YOU CANT DO HIGH LEVEL WITHOUT DOING LOW LEVELS FIRST

I’m sorry if the game doesn’t address your special needs

… such as spelling, grammar, and the ability to start counting at 1 instead of 45.

First of all everyone who needs those weapons for fractals needs it becouse he has already full ascended trinkets……This is simple logic.
And second of all you could do even 81 fractal even if you never did a single fractal it is enought to have one player who have that lvl in group.
Your arguments changes nothing. At some point every fractal runer is forced to grind and farm ascended weapons. It is unavoidable for everyone who is runing fractals. And becouse fractals are only progresive PVE content in game, almost every PVE player is forced to farm it. (those weapons of course)

Orion the Cursed.1206:

daros.3407:

danielrjones.8759:

sounds very much like someone who never had to “earn” something on their own, been handed w/e they want/need and now something comes along which requires effort and time. As someone said, time is money. If those who do not wish to invest their time as other do, to acquire something, simple put. They do NOT deserve it. Still amazed at how many people abound in entitlement.

There is difference between farming and earning somethin you just want becouse of its nice look and something you have to have if you want to participate in future content.
They dont give us possibility to not farm, that precursor like chance of ascended drop is nothing. They force us to gring our gear that we need now to do even fractals or be stronger in WvW and in future they will surely add more content that will require ascended gear.
I have no problem for farming on my own choice. It is my probblem if i want that skin. But i am not willing to farm for gear to be able to fully participate in game.

And in another post i explained it to you more specificely ,,Hight lvl even fractals" I had to use that explaining only becouse of you. Becouse everyone else understand what i mean and only you dont.
And you still dont want to accept that i am right…You NEED those 10 more AR. Without it you can not kill Jade maw on 50 and more difficulty. What is so hard to understand it for you???
Every fractal player runnin regulary 30+to 40+ fractals wanted to do 50+ even fractal but they could not. Now they can but they are forced to farm for it. Yeas they are forced becouse without those weapons they have no chance killing Jade maw on 50+.

Orion the Cursed.1206:

daros.3407:

Orion the Cursed.1206:

You are the one that has never done fractals. Perhaps if you try listening and learning… Maybe if i use caps…

You start with LOW LEVEL FRACTALS and you can use masterwork gear to beat them. 1-10 LEVEL FRACTALS DONT HAVE AGONY.

AFTER THAT, YOU GET DROPS THAT GIVE YOU AGONY RESISTANCE.

FOR FREE! FREE! FREE! FREE!…

And to what lvl? 45. Is that enought to do high lvl fractals (50 and more)? No it is not!
I will gladly look how you will try to kill maw on 50 lvl with 45 AR without any bug and exploit.

Don’t think i didn’t notice you avoided your mistake by saying all fractals need AR gear.

People have been doing it BEFORE ASCENDED WEAPONS. kitten all you want, but all we need are normal exotics and fractal drops. Perhaps the problem is with you.

,,Orion the Cursed.1206:
daros.3407:
But i am not willing to farm for gear to be able to fully participate in game.
Wait! You mean we cant participate in the game without Legendaries or Ascendeds equiped? What have we been doing for the last year???
Hight lvl even fractals maybe?…….."

Tell where i said we need AR for all fractals? I sad exactly ,,Hight lvl even fractals"
For hight lvl even fractals ascended trinkets are NOT enough.

Orion the Cursed.1206:

You are the one that has never done fractals. Perhaps if you try listening and learning… Maybe if i use caps…

You start with LOW LEVEL FRACTALS and you can use masterwork gear to beat them. 1-10 LEVEL FRACTALS DONT HAVE AGONY.

AFTER THAT, YOU GET DROPS THAT GIVE YOU AGONY RESISTANCE.

FOR FREE! FREE! FREE! FREE!…

And to what lvl? 45. Is that enought to do high lvl fractals (50 and more)? No it is not!
I will gladly look how you will try to kill maw on 50 lvl with 45 AR without any bug and exploit.

Orion the Cursed.1206:

daros.3407:

Orion the Cursed.1206:

daros.3407:

But i am not willing to farm for gear to be able to fully participate in game.

Wait! You mean we cant participate in the game without Legendaries or Ascendeds equiped? What have we been doing for the last year???

Hight lvl even fractals maybe?……..

You start with low level fractals and you can use masterwork gear to beat them. By the time you reach “high” level fractals, you can at least afford exotic gear (2g per piece). Think about that.

Did you ever run fractals? Arent you forgeting AR? No i am really tired of people repeating all over again that we dont need ascendeds in fractals…..

This is realy getting of topic so to get to 500 is good to have more then 250 ingots and planks T6 ofcource. At least 30 of every uncomon T6 +/- 150 ectos and if want to do some sigils ( and i recomend that if you have mats for it) save some lodestones.
You could be Ok with it most expancive are dowels and those are made of Ingots and planks so you need really looot of them.
Maybe i am wrong it is just my humble calculation…

Orion the Cursed.1206:

daros.3407:

But i am not willing to farm for gear to be able to fully participate in game.

Wait! You mean we cant participate in the game without Legendaries or Ascendeds equiped? What have we been doing for the last year???

Hight lvl even fractals maybe?……..

danielrjones.8759:

sounds very much like someone who never had to “earn” something on their own, been handed w/e they want/need and now something comes along which requires effort and time. As someone said, time is money. If those who do not wish to invest their time as other do, to acquire something, simple put. They do NOT deserve it. Still amazed at how many people abound in entitlement.

There is difference between farming and earning somethin you just want becouse of its nice look and something you have to have if you want to participate in future content.
They dont give us possibility to not farm, that precursor like chance of ascended drop is nothing. They force us to gring our gear that we need now to do even fractals or be stronger in WvW and in future they will surely add more content that will require ascended gear.
I have no problem for farming on my own choice. It is my probblem if i want that skin. But i am not willing to farm for gear to be able to fully participate in game.

Nicely said. If i would want to play endless carrot on the stick grind i would stick to my previous game(s)
This game was supposed to be free of if and that is the reason why i wanted to play it. What reason i have now? Seriousely they broke all what they promised at the begining so why i should want to play this new grind fest?
I am never bored becouse i have best gear in game, becouse with it i can fully enjoy all content in game i want.
There was farming in this game already but it was mostly about players own choise. You want to be owner of that shiny legendary? Ok farm a little but if you dont want your only disadvatage will be that you character will not look as awsome as those whit it.
Now it is no longer the truth. Now we have to farm to get gear we need to get to good stuff.
,,We dont want players to do boring stuff and grinding to get to good stuff" Those are exact words of Anet employees at the begining of game. Well…..so much for them…

anabasis.7346:

Don’t change the point please. Progresion means reaching higher levels in fractals. It has nothing to do with rewards which are just an incentive to make progression worth it. I’ll say it again progresion=reaching higher levels.
Therefore, and as my video proves, you can progress in lvl 50+ fractals without ascended weapons even if you think the opposite.

I dont change point. Your opinion what is progresion is just different then mine. If you progres fractals to 81 without single kill of maw you just cant call it true progression in my opinion.
Anyway they have reason why they added ascendeds weapons and why they want to add ascended armor. And fractals are surely one of the biggest reason for it.
You need it now to FULLY progres fractals and in a future it will be absolutely necessary to have full ascended gear. Game is changing that way….
If someone thinks ascended weapons and armor are supposed to add just some new skins to game he is really wrong. Those weapons are needed for fractals now and will be absolute necessity in future.

Killface.1896:

It cost 0gold if you farm your own mats ;P

And those mats have no value?
You farm mats and craft, others farm gold, buy mats and craft. Where is difference? You still have to farm and that is the problem.
Only those who farm gold has it easier and faster then you.

anabasis.7346:

daros.3407:

anabasis.7346:

Savoy.6824:

@anabasis. Hi anabasis, welcome to the game. I dont mind helping new players so Ill explain fractals to you. On all even numbered fractals levels there is a boss called the Jade Maw. He is the last boss in the forth fractal.

Upon arival into his “arena” (its really just a spit of land) you get hit with a condition that is un-dodgeable and cannot be clensed called agony. This condition known as agony gets worse and worse the higher the fractal level you are playing. The only thing Anet gives the player to alleviate this condition is an infusion that goes into all jewelry and now weapons known as “agony resistance” with enough of it you can go into increasing higher and higher fractal levels.

Later this year Anet will be making updates to fractals which should make a game type that is already fun for some even more enjoyable. It is highly likely that rewards not to mention the personal feeling of accomplishment for completing the fractals at high levels will be substantial. But it will be impossible to do without the necessary agony resistance.

Have fun, and welcome.

I’m level 44 in fractals so I’m not new to the game.
I answering to daros who said that you can’t progress in level 50+ fractals if you don’t have ascended weapons which is clearly not true.
Agony from bosses is capped at level 49 for all fractals except jade maw so you can either do the 99% trick or have a guardian with tome. In even higher levels where agony from jade maw 1 shots you, you can still progress if you do uneven numbers.
So no, I’m not new to the game, and in the present, you can reach 50+ levels in fractals without ascended weapons.

Everyone who wants effectively progres fractal have to do Maw. If you are so experienced you know it. Runing fractals only without maw is like run dungeon and leave it before last boss.
So you have to have ascended weapons to do fractals from now on.

Players have been doing level 50+ fractals long before ascended weapons were craftable.
You where whining that it was impossible to do level 50+ fractals without ascended weapons an I proved you wrong with one of the many videos on youtube of players doing fractals level 50+.
/15 char

Ok it is clear you just ignore post of others that said you same thing as i did. Progresing fractals without maw is NO PROGRESION. It is not rewading. It is not complete fractal progresion. To say you fully progres 50+ fractal you have to kill maw on every lvl he is available. Without it you just increasing you lvl witnout any reward ….nothing else it is just lvl increasing. Everyone who is experinced in fractals and see sentece ,,Ascended weapons are requiremet for 50+ fractals" undestands why. Only you shows us old video where some group fighting shaman…where is point in it? They cant kill maw so they dont fully progres fractal.
You proved only that you know nothing about fractals.

anabasis.7346:

Savoy.6824:

@anabasis. Hi anabasis, welcome to the game. I dont mind helping new players so Ill explain fractals to you. On all even numbered fractals levels there is a boss called the Jade Maw. He is the last boss in the forth fractal.

Upon arival into his “arena” (its really just a spit of land) you get hit with a condition that is un-dodgeable and cannot be clensed called agony. This condition known as agony gets worse and worse the higher the fractal level you are playing. The only thing Anet gives the player to alleviate this condition is an infusion that goes into all jewelry and now weapons known as “agony resistance” with enough of it you can go into increasing higher and higher fractal levels.

Later this year Anet will be making updates to fractals which should make a game type that is already fun for some even more enjoyable. It is highly likely that rewards not to mention the personal feeling of accomplishment for completing the fractals at high levels will be substantial. But it will be impossible to do without the necessary agony resistance.

Have fun, and welcome.

I’m level 44 in fractals so I’m not new to the game.
I answering to daros who said that you can’t progress in level 50+ fractals if you don’t have ascended weapons which is clearly not true.
Agony from bosses is capped at level 49 for all fractals except jade maw so you can either do the 99% trick or have a guardian with tome. In even higher levels where agony from jade maw 1 shots you, you can still progress if you do uneven numbers.
So no, I’m not new to the game, and in the present, you can reach 50+ levels in fractals without ascended weapons.

Everyone who wants effectively progres fractal have to do Maw. If you are so experienced you know it. Runing fractals only without maw is like run dungeon and leave it before last boss.
So you have to have ascended weapons to do fractals from now on.

tinetcat.3026:

daros.3407:

displacedTitan.6897:

daros.3407:

CrazyDuck.4610:

daros.3407:

I had more then 100 gold and tons of materials. Now i am at 466 and i have nothing! No gold, no material just nothing!
I start to play this game becouse it was supposed to be without that farming/grinding time wasting boring thing. And what do i have to do now? Farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, craft, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm.
I am seriosly consicering quiting the game becouse they are doing exactly what they sworn to never do!

No ones forcing you to craft ascended so..

No i am forced becouse i need them for fractals and chance to drop them is so low that noone can rely on it. So?

You dont need them for fractals at all, stop crying because you want a handout.

You know nothing about fractals. I need it! Withou high enoght AR you can not do 50+ fractals. YOU NEED ASCENDED WEAPONS FOR FRACTALS!

No offense intended, but you are complaining you have to farm to get ascended weapons so you can then keep on FARMing fractals… oh wait!

Btw, I had 137 gold, now I’m sitting at 113 gold, one of my toons is at 456 and another one is at 423, and didn’t have many materials so i had to buy some of them… i don’t understand how you spent that much gold. Buying components to craft exotics maybe?

Fractals are only progressive PVE content in game. I dont farm fractals. I enjoy progresing it.
And you surely had much more materials then me if you spend such small amount of gold.
But this material has its price. You still spend around 150g to get from 400 to 500.
Look deeper in to forum. Everyone who bought material spent 150g+/- And those with material just spent material of that price.

Plus one for post above :-D

fellyn.5083:

daros.3407:

Prepare 150 – 200g or you have no chance to get to 500. And ofcource you will probably need at least 2 professions so you will need another 150 – 200g for second profession. And ofcourse that will only get you to 500 you still need to farm tons of materials to get you weapons :-)
This is worst update Anet ever did. Game is now only about farming and nothing else.

This is simply not true. I didn’t spent a single copper crafting from 400-500 weapon smithing.

But I gathered all the materials myself and not everyone will have done that.

Also with a crafting booster I got most of the way to 425 just refining orichalcum ingots.

Ofcource you have that possibility, but this is even much more farming then farming gold and buying materials.
So i am not wrong. It is still mostly about farming.

displacedTitan.6897:

daros.3407:

displacedTitan.6897:

daros.3407:

drkn.3429:

Still, grinding 400~500 by crafting exotics is an error people are making by their own ignorance, there’s quite a bit you can get via refinement which is artificially free, in terms of gold, if you mine a bit and don’t rush it.

Ok…you have to craft exotics/ refine T6 to get from 400 to 450= 50g +/- then you can very long time refine ascended mats to 470 = gold free but way tooooo long.
And from 470 to 500 you have to craft exotics again = at least another 50g (becouse it gives lower exp then in beginig :-) )
It is still to much gold farming. Or materials grinding.

Basically you dont want anything to change. You complain about doing it slowly and for much cheaper by refinement and you complain about doing it fast costing too much. EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD CAN BE UNDERSTOOD IN TERMS OF TIME VS MONEY. If you are really worried about time commitments then dont play video games, go do something productive.

No matter i will lvl my weaponsmith in week or in month i will still have spend 150g for it or farm material of that price. And it is too much for profession no matter time.

See now you are just trolling. Prices will go back down and in a few months it will probably cost 1/3rd of what it does now. Stop being a chicken little about how bad it is now. You can pay big and get it now or wait and pay much less later. THE SAME IS TRUE OF ALMOST EVERYTHING.

You cant guarantee price will go down. And actualy i dont think so. Only one thing that increased its price after update very rapidly is wood. Look at the TP before you say something…
I am starting to be really tired of people deffending ascended crafting with unlogic or untruth arguments…

displacedTitan.6897:

daros.3407:

drkn.3429:

Still, grinding 400~500 by crafting exotics is an error people are making by their own ignorance, there’s quite a bit you can get via refinement which is artificially free, in terms of gold, if you mine a bit and don’t rush it.

Ok…you have to craft exotics/ refine T6 to get from 400 to 450= 50g +/- then you can very long time refine ascended mats to 470 = gold free but way tooooo long.
And from 470 to 500 you have to craft exotics again = at least another 50g (becouse it gives lower exp then in beginig :-) )
It is still to much gold farming. Or materials grinding.

Basically you dont want anything to change. You complain about doing it slowly and for much cheaper by refinement and you complain about doing it fast costing too much. EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD CAN BE UNDERSTOOD IN TERMS OF TIME VS MONEY. If you are really worried about time commitments then dont play video games, go do something productive.

No matter i will lvl my weaponsmith in week or in month i will still have spend 150g for it or farm material of that price. And it is too much for profession no matter time.

Shifu.4321:

displacedTitan.6897:

daros.3407:

CrazyDuck.4610:

daros.3407:

I had more then 100 gold and tons of materials. Now i am at 466 and i have nothing! No gold, no material just nothing!
I start to play this game becouse it was supposed to be without that farming/grinding time wasting boring thing. And what do i have to do now? Farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, craft, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm.
I am seriosly consicering quiting the game becouse they are doing exactly what they sworn to never do!

No ones forcing you to craft ascended so..

No i am forced becouse i need them for fractals and chance to drop them is so low that noone can rely on it. So?

You dont need them for fractals at all, stop crying because you want a handout.

He spent 100g and a lot of mats. he’s not asking for a handout. Anyway, you literally need it for fractal 50+.

And yeah, the cost is pretty kitten ridiculous.

Thank you at least someone understand the problem.

displacedTitan.6897:

daros.3407:

CrazyDuck.4610:

daros.3407:

I had more then 100 gold and tons of materials. Now i am at 466 and i have nothing! No gold, no material just nothing!
I start to play this game becouse it was supposed to be without that farming/grinding time wasting boring thing. And what do i have to do now? Farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, craft, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm.
I am seriosly consicering quiting the game becouse they are doing exactly what they sworn to never do!

No ones forcing you to craft ascended so..

No i am forced becouse i need them for fractals and chance to drop them is so low that noone can rely on it. So?

You dont need them for fractals at all, stop crying because you want a handout.

You know nothing about fractals. I need it! Withou high enoght AR you can not do 50+ fractals. YOU NEED ASCENDED WEAPONS FOR FRACTALS!

CrazyDuck.4610:

daros.3407:

I had more then 100 gold and tons of materials. Now i am at 466 and i have nothing! No gold, no material just nothing!
I start to play this game becouse it was supposed to be without that farming/grinding time wasting boring thing. And what do i have to do now? Farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, craft, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm, farm.
I am seriosly consicering quiting the game becouse they are doing exactly what they sworn to never do!

No ones forcing you to craft ascended so..

No i am forced becouse i need them for fractals and chance to drop them is so low that noone can rely on it. So?

Pridedemon.3041:

………………..:-)

Yes it is not well disigned. I think they should never released any ascended crafting but wait to another release that will change Tequatl and his loot. But problem is ascended weapons from tequatl will have some precursor like drop chance as it always was when they released something new with ,,chance to drop" or ,,rare chance to drop"
Some big chance to drop Ascended weapons from some really hard content but really good chance would be best for all of type of players (rich-poor, casual-hardcore)

kRiza krimos.1637:

You need alot more money to buy legendary than to buy your way to 500 crafting. Difference is huge.
Fractals and acsended weapon argument is silly, there are other items that can be upgraded with AR that one slot on weapon wont make that much difference. At least not for casual player that plays 2 times a week. I doubt there are any casuals that play 2 days per week and are going for fractals beyond 20…

Not to mention that there is no content that casual player cant enjoy in without acsended weapon…
And OP is complaining about outfitting several alts, now im wondering is he realising that playing several alts demands several times bigger time investment than it would take to do things on one char.

Silly argument? Then you never run fractals. Do you even know what is ar limit for trinkets? And do you know what AR you need to do 50+ fractal?
If you would know it you would never say it is silly argument….
Trinket limit is not enough to do 50lvl fractal. Weapons will allow us to do 50 to 58/59.
But 60 will be again probably imposible to do until ascended armor.

drkn.3429:

Still, grinding 400~500 by crafting exotics is an error people are making by their own ignorance, there’s quite a bit you can get via refinement which is artificially free, in terms of gold, if you mine a bit and don’t rush it.

Ok…you have to craft exotics/ refine T6 to get from 400 to 450= 50g +/- then you can very long time refine ascended mats to 470 = gold free but way tooooo long.
And from 470 to 500 you have to craft exotics again = at least another 50g (becouse it gives lower exp then in beginig :-) )
It is still to much gold farming. Or materials grinding.

drkn.3429:

…except that the gw2crafts bot does not faciliate refining of the ascended materials from 450 onwards, which are time-gated but offer a steady income of crafting xp with absolutely NO additional cost, just do a dungeon, a world boss or some WvW and get those ascended basic mats for refinement.

The real cheapest way is:
Mining runs on all your lv80 toons to get ori and wood;
Refine those until 425;
Discover a few exotics until 450;
Do world bosses, dungeons, WvW, jumping puzzles… (aka – just play the kitten game);
Refine ascended materials.

No you are absolutely wrong becouse refining ascended mats is gray on 470 :-D…or somewhere around it..
If it would be yelow to 500 and it would produse at least 2x more crafting exp. It would be better. But it is not….

Sola.7250:

You have to look at crafting as a long term goal, not some 2 week farming event. I’m happy to have some longer term goals in the game. Relax, it’s not going away in 2 weeks, just play the game and you’ll get Ascended stuff without the randomness of the mystic forge.

2 weeks or 2 months. It is still 200g gold to lvl profession and that is too much just for 100lvls of one profesion. And most of people will probably need 2 professions to get full ascended weaponry.

LilMcGinley.3890:

You get all you need by playing the game, not sure how that’s a grind. 500 Dragonite ore? that’s 25 Meta events, or 5 days MAX. There are cheap ways to get to 450 crafting AND you can sell the items made at that level.

I’m doing things I’ve never done before to get my Asc weapons, having a blast and have not seen this “grind” you speak of.

Not to mention, you don’t need to have these weapons. It’s a personal choice to go for them, just like Legendaries.

Firs of all it is no truth you dont need them. Well of course you can try fractals without AR, but i doubt you will make it….
Second of all it is not only about crafting weapon itself but also about levling crafting from 400 to 500 and that cost at least 150g if you dont have tons of stacks of most expensive materials in bank and that means lot of farming too.

Calae.1738:

It costs 190g to go from 400 to 500 weaponsmith.
It costs 203g to go from 400 to 500 huntsman.
It costs 215g to go from 400 to 500 artificer.

http://gw2crafts.net/

That’s the cheapeast way to do it.

So much for Rjnemers 52g……….

I feel for you. And agree completely. They made lot of promises about non-grinding game. And how we will never have to farm and grind and do boring stuff to get to fun stuff. With this ascended grindfest every of this promise is broken.
It would be better to drop those weapons from some hard dungeon and content. But not just ,,rare chance" that usualy means precursor-like chance. But realy big chance from some realy hard content.
I know they are going to change Tequatl and he will drop specific ascended weapons, but again a doubt the chance will be higher then something like ,,0,0001"……..It is always the same.

Antares.2586:

Ascended is supposed to be the mid step between Exotic and Legendary, and people would like to reach it in one day…

Can people enjoy content without burning it in one hour ?

You are destroying your own experience by rushing it.

No ascended is supposed to finaly alow us to do higher fractals then 49. It is requirement not something you want to reach some nice day after mounths of farming.

rjnemer.7816:

daros.3407:

Lukasz.5316:

i spend like 100g on weaponsmith and i get lvl470 lol ,this is MADNESS!

Yes my friend. It is horrible. They should stick to their promises and stop trying to make us ,,farming robots".

Huh? First off if you spent 100g to get to 470 you are doing it wrong. It costed me 52g to get to 500 sooooo

How is this making us farming robots? After you get to 500 its only 10g for the BEST weapon in the game. That is dirt cheap. You can run cof p1 once a day for 10 days straight and get that. If you cant even spare 15min a day to get an ascended wep then you dont deserve it in the first place.

Yes 10 gold but you have spend those 150 gold to get to 500. And if you spend only 50 gold to get weaponsmith from 400 to 500 you surely had lot of materials in bank and that mean you farmed material. Grinding, buying, dungeons, laurels no mater how you farm it is still farming. And 150g for 100lvl of one profession is too much and it forces people to farm and that is agains what they promised.
Soooooooo?