Honestly though, I bet Anet can make shortbow good on mesmers. I thought pistol wouldn’t suit mesmers either at first but it’s pretty cool.
That being said, I’d prefer to see some other weapons on mesmer.
I think an OH shield would be pretty awesome, there are some shields out there that would suit a mesmer.
A MH dagger might be fun too I guess.
Devs PLEASE PLEASE, make Deception (#2 skill on downed) function similarly to thief’s downed skill, give it a ground targeting option. Here are the reasons why: you never know where you are gonna get teleported so mostly its in big red circles, under the boss, nowhere, to the next enemy, to your death, right under the attack etc. Its really unfair that we have a skill with 50/50 suicide/salvation while eles can freely roam and enter keeps and towers with their #2 downed skill or thieves that teleport NOT under the enemy. Please devs consider it.
I agree. I think our downed state skills are fine. #3 does tons of damage in phantasm build but yeah, our #2 is more annoying than useful in PvE. In PvP it doesn’t matter that much in my opinion.
From what I’ve seen the coldown was 25 seconds.
I got my necro to lvl 80 a while ago but didn’t really play it much or didn’t gear it up. But now I wanna play it more in WvW so I thought it was time to get a good build.
What build(s) would you suggest for zerging as a necro?
I really like the new healing skill from what I’ve read but that being said, I would like a confusion based heal that improves confusion specs (one that would make confusion specs more viable.)
Like a heal that heals the mesmer + heals allies around your illusions for a smaller amount + confuses enemies around them.
Or a heal that doesn’t only benifit phantasms but every illusion based build, one that passively heals us for a bit every time we use an illusion summoning skills.
Just a few ideas.
Yeah I’m kind of surprised they STILL didn’t fix it so that our curtain actuall stacks with other swiftness boons.
Also surprises me that a lot of mesmers just spam that in the middle of the zerg, it’s pointless.
Having our sword #3 skill actually leap us without a target woulda been useful too but wishful thinking I guess. Can’t summon illusions without target.
I think it will be the same as the warrior signet.
And I’m very happy with what i read so far a bout this healing skill. It looks awesome and I’m gonna have a lot of fun trying it out.
1 Think I missed on my mesmer is passive heal when using a phantasm build which we’ll get now.
I don’t care much but shatters as a mesmer to be honest, I just use them to finish low hp mobs or for an interrupt or to avoid damage depending on situation.
I just wish they would give confusion a boost. Having a confusion based heal would be pretty awesome in my opinion. Confusion is my fav aspect of a mesmer, kind of dissapointed that it’s pretty much useless in pve and weak in wvw as well.
I love WvW but I just can’t find myself a good build for mesmer in a zerg. (20-30 man zergs)
I wanan be more useful for the zerg other than just portal & veil. So I at least get some decent damage in too.
Shatter & phantasm builds are pretty much useless because all illusions get destroyed in a second so I barely get any tags or damage.
Glamour build seems awesome to get tags & I’m still able to portal or veil but since the nerf ages ago the damage is really bad.
Anyone knows a good zerging build for mesmer so i can be more useful damage wise?
I saw that pistol FIX coming from miles away. We deserved that.
But nerfing our confusion even more was a bad idea to be honest. The least they could do is buff the torch so our confusion builds wouldn’t suffer.
Torch phant has the longest cd and even when not taking that cd into consideration, the attack itself is inferior compared to other phantasm attacks.
A way to fix it would be reducing the cd so it matches other phantasms. (20 sec would be ok i guess)
Also a longer confusion/retaliation duration would be nice.
I would like the fight to last longer… by increasing the timer but in that case also make it a little bit tougher.
Don’t nerf it, I’m sure people will find out how to do it at some point.
Also, maybe it scales a lot with a ton of people and it might get easier when there are less people trying it.
I was thinking bout the same for my mesmer but I went for Bifrost coz imo it’s the prettiest legendary. Even though the staff isn’t the weapon I use the most for my Mesmer.
I use Sword or Focus in most of my builds tho but I still went for Bifrost.
Since Imo Staff is still a really good weapon for mesmers in general (just not for pure dps) I started looking into some builds that actually use staff and found wvw builds, spvp builds and support builds that suit staff perfectly.
Now I use Sword/focus + GS for a dps phantasm build (pve) and sword/focus + Staff support/dps build (pve) for dungeons.
For WvW I wanan try a glamour confusion build which would use Scepter/Focus + Staff.
For PvE most people go for pure zerker dps (which is imo the best thing to do in most cases in PvE.) but Staff still has a lot of other uses.
I like all 3 legendaries. Just go for what you think is the prettiest and look into builds before making one. of here are absolutely no good builds with the legendary you want, go for the 2nd one. :p
Ah might be better to go for Imbued diversions then anyway. Gotta try it out.
It is an option, glenndevis. Another idea’s to drop 10 from Illusions (keep Dazzling Glamours, drop Blinding Befuddlement’s nerfed self …), add that 10 to Inspiration for Warden’s Feedback. That extra Reflection’ll help you and your group versus projectile-spammers.
As far as Glamour/Perplexity abuse, I’ve personally run a 20/0/30/0/20 setup, using Bountiful/Chaotic Interruption. It’s a bit more durable if I’m caught solo, but yes, your
Glamour timing does suffer somewhat.
Was thinking about dropping Temporal Enchanter for Warden’s Feedback since fights and zergs usually move and that extra second doesn’t really matter much in my opinion.
And how was Blinding Befuddlement nerfed exactly?
Also been thinking of finding ways to interrupt people other than staff #5, GS #5 and Diversion but couldn’t really find any.
Kinda sad how some other classes can take more advantage of the runes than mesmers can.
I totaly agree that the glamour mesmer is the most effective in zerging and organized group fights, both for tagging enemy players, stripping boons and adding boons to other players (including yourself). Even though confusion was nerfed, it is still a very viable build that can put out a descent amount of damage, especially with the Runes of Perplexity. However with Veil, Nullfield, Feedback and Timewarp as a must, you sacrifice a lot of survivabilty.
If the commander doesn’t use Veil much I tend to switch it out with Blink.I currently run this build: Glamour Mesmer
The key to survival here is having Chaos Armor up most of the time.
May I ask why you aren’t using Dire armor & weapons?
Just wondering since the build doesn’t seem to take advantage of crits (dueling tree)
Also I’m trying to get the gear to try out a glamour build now but was thinking if people who use Perplexity runes aren’t better off with Imbued Diversions (Illusion XII trait) for interrupts for more stacks of confusion. (allthough it being limited to 5 enemies.)
Glenndevis, this is the build I’ve used in the past for glamours. Granted my gear was from before Dire and the other new gear came out.
Thanks I really like the look that build. Sadly I barely ever played WvW before confusion got nerfed in wvw so I didn’t know about this build before.
I really want to try it out now. I’m thinking about going with dire gear and perplexity runes though.
I love supporting a zerg and damaging an opponents zerg indirectly. Confusion is my fav condition by far.
If possible could someone link me to a glamour/confusion build for wvw?
I wanna see for myself how I like the traits/gear/weapons before I think about trying it.
Also would Dire gear be better for such build or should I stick with rabid?
I use a S/F + GS phantasm dps build most of the im and the reason I prefer using gs as 2n weap is coz of the aoe phantasm the gs provides.
I usually start with gs, use #2 followed by #4 then go to S/F until I need to heal up, then I fall back, heal & go gs until I can swap again.
GS is our best ranged dps option (especially aoe) but other than that it’s kind of crappy.
I hear a lot of people saying, good phantasm on a crap weapon but all skills together (iZerker + less useful skills) make the weapon a “decent” choice imo.
However, seeing 90% of the gs mesmers just sitting back spamming 1 and the casual 2 and 4 kind of makes me sad too.
They should just give back the protection. It wasn’t even op to begin with. No idea why they removed it.
It would improve mesmer support a little as well coz we don’t have any reliable protection to spread with signet of inspiration.
I wish we had a 3rd main hand weapon or a buffed scepter (one that actually does condition damage with auto atk, i’d love it causing confusion :P) so we could use 2 offhands without having to use 2 swords main hand.
I love focus for damage & reflects. Especially in dungeons.
I love Pistol for single target damage but honestly I prefer a sword over a pistol.
Sword block is nice and phantasm is my fav, leap finisher, pretty good (single target) damage, highest atk speed of all phantasms, invulnerable when attacking and leaping back after hit (makes it hard to kill.)
I’m kinda looking for a WvW build as well for zergs.
I used a phantasm build before but like you said they die within a second. Shatter build might be better but if they die coz of aoe before they explode it might not be that good either ( never used shatter build in wvw so I wouldn’t know for sure.)
I also started thinking about using a support build (I don’t like mantra healing though.)
And I’d love a confusion build for wvw but like you said, condition cleansing everywhere.
I’m kind of in need of a good wvw build as well. More leaning towards confusion/condition (glamour build?) or support.
In PvP I don’t really care but in PvE it’s really annoying when ur downed and teleport right into an aoe.
I’m pretty sure people already suggested this but it would be really useful for guilds (and also contacts maybe) to see how long it’s been since someone has been online.
Should be able to see this to be able to kick inactive people in guilds. Would also be useful to see this in your contact list too.
Sucks to have people in the guild you never see online (even tho they might be online at diffirent times), kicking them even tho they are active. or have a guild with +200 inactives and you don’t know if they still play or not. Would “cleaning up” the guild more easily and keep it active.
Like I said, people probably suggested this before but I did it again because it’s a really important thing in my opinion. I have no idea why Anet decided not to put this in the game even though it was in gw1.
I’ve had my ele for a while but didn’t gear it up yet and never really bothered looking into a build yet.
I love both D/D and staff for ele but honestly I prefer staff a bit more.
How diffirent are DD and staff eles when it comes to support in a group or damage/defense?
I used to be a shatter build but now I’m a phantasm build. Tried shatter again after the patch but went back to phantasm within a day.
I just don’t alyways like focus for soloing or dungeons tho. I use OH sword too sometimes so I’m not sure if it’s worth to go 30 in inspiration. Thinking of trying 25 into dueling, not for the trait but for the additional damage.
Yeah I like a bit of everything but i really prefer 1v1 fights.
I already have swords, focus, pistol, gs and sttaff as weapons. (kinda want a scepter too) But not really sure what combo i like the most. I guess i could use focus for wvw and gs for aoe & zerging even tho the phantasm is kinda kittened up right now.
However, as for traits i’m still confused, mainly because i’m not 100% sure about my weapon set.
20 domi and 20 dueling or 10 domi and 30 duelling.
I would go 20 domi for the GS trait or 30 duelling for the pistol trait. But i’m not about my weapons yet so what tree does a phantasm mesmer benifit the most of?
If I went GS, should i still go 10/30 and if i go pistol, would 20/20 still be better overall?
Ah yes true I have both a sword and a pistol ready and I really like using the sword myself. The phantasm attacks frequently, good damage and dat leap finisher.
I used a pistol in my old shatter build and for some reason i’m not too much of a fan of it anymore ><
OK thanks for the replies guys. I’ve decided I want a Phantasm Pow/prec/crit dmg build (getting a set with toughness for more difficult situations.
Changed the topic tite.
I’m not entirely sure what trait build I should go for and if I should use GS or not since the phantasm is kinda kitten right now.
My trait build right now is:
20 domi: III, I (would go for X if I’d use a GS)
20 Dueling: II, IV
25 Inspiration: II, VIII (I like switching to Restorative Mantras and get Mantra of Pain + Mantra of Recovery for parties)
5 Illusions
For now I use Staff and Sword/Focus. But I’m not sure if I should switch the staff for GS.
Also not sure if it would be better to go 30 Domi and 30 Dueling for damage, or keep it the way it is right now.
Hope to get some opinions of fellow phantasm mesmers.
I’m trying to re-build my mesmer coming from a berserker shatter build.
I feel as if i’m too squishy sometimes and getting bored of this build. Honestly I don’t really care about doing lower amounts of damage as long as I can survive a bit better and support or deal indirect damage.
I was wondering if Confusion mesmers are good in WvW even after the nerf.
I know that in solo PvE confusion doesn’t do that much because of the mobs slow attack speed but then again I don’t really care about killing fast, I just wanna survive more.
In groups I want to make some diffirence. I don’t wanna be “just another dps class” and i was wondering if Confusion mesmers have some kind of support for a party other than the obvious Time Warp and Null Field.
Before I look more into confusion I wanted to ask if it’s still viable nowadays.
On a side note: I never really liked condition damage on a mesmer but I love confusion and I kinda dislike how confusion damage depends on your condition damage. >_<
I do love confusion but I don’t think it’s really useful for WvW or PvE. Especially because of the nerf.
Glad to know staff is still good without much condition damage.
I kinda like doing everything in WvW but prefer joining the big zerg most of the time.
Main goal of the build should be good damage (aoe prefered ) and surviving.
If I do decide to PvE and do dungeons I guess just changing some utilities (feedback, null field) and elites (time warp) and having staff on 2nd weap should be enough.
Not really sure what build I prefer tho. Both shatter and phantasm seem very interesting.
As for weapons… All weapons appeal to me.
GS: Love the aoe of berserker and illusionary wave is good for keeping distance.
Staff: Love all of the skills but it’s kind of slow.
Scepter: Not so much for WvW, PvE imo
Sword Main: blurred frenzy, illusionary leap are both great, but not sure on this one for WvW.
Sword Off: riposte is always good to block something and counter and swordsman does good damage and has fast attack speed.
Focus: Curtain for speed and into the void is good for pulling people. iWarden sounds awesome but I can’t seem to put it to good use.
Pistol: good weapon but I don’t see much potentional other than in 1v1 fights.
Torch: prestige is good for hiding, Mage seems kinda useless to me.
Gotta check out those guides again. :P
Ah I see. I do like staff on mesmers. Nice to know that even without condition damage staff is still really useful.
I haven’t really tested damage much in the past.
Thanks. :P
In the past I’ve been using rampager gear with gs & sp weapons but I didn’t really play for a while and coming back now and kinda wanna rebuild my mesmer all over again because I think i made some mistakes in the past.
For now I don’t wanna bother with sPvP and just stick to WvW but I kinda don’t know what build I wanna use.
What build(s) is/are most useful for WvW?
I heard a lot of people go berserker gear but doesn’t that make staff damage kinda kitten? Or did I hear wrong…
I don’t just want to hear “the best build” but I would also like to know the advantages and disatvantages of each build.
Also, what’s the best way to travel fast as a mesmer? I find myself being slow compared to others. And I don’t really like having to switch to focus for a speed buff.
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Ok first of all I got my ele to 80 a while ago but didn’t bother buying exotics for it yet and before I do i have some questions…
Everyone seems to suggest staff for ele in WvW but are D/D ele’s also viable or are they completely useless?
I like to heal and like to be defensive, damage isn’t that important to me as long as it doesn’t get too slow but what kind of PvE build would be best?
Right now I have a lvl 29 thief but I feel really underpowered at the moment.
I remember people used to say mesmers were underpowered at lower lvls but I’ve never had a problem with it. With thief I almost die when i’m fighting 2 normal mobs of my own lvl at once.
Is this normal or should I start playing diffirently? I use D/D and shortbow. I seem to kill rather fast when i’m on D/D but can’t take hits at all. I try to use blinds as much as possible. (Signet of Shadows and Blinding Powder)
What builds do other people use in PvE at lower lvls? And is shortbow a good ranged option or should i go for P/P or P/D or just stick with close ranged and use Sword for that build?
Thanks in advance.
Was more talking about what stats I should go for. Power/prec/crit damage, Power/vit/condition damgage or Power/prec/condition damage seem like the best ones for me but not sure.
For dungeons i also always use nullfield and feedback, usually use either decoy or mirror images. Phantasmal disenchanter isn’t that useful in my opinion.
For elites I use Moa morph 90% of the time, should try time warp more.
So I got to 80 and I’m saving for exotics atm but I have no idea what gear to buy because I’m still not decided what build is best for me.
Is a condition/support build the best for both soloing and grouping?
Or is a power/crit build mesmer better?
I always used a condition damage build until 80 but now I’m not sure anymore.