Guild Wars 2

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

What the speed clear guilds get is the immaterial value of proving Guang wrong.

You have no idea how often I already did this, he’s just disappearing and plopping up later again, claiming he won an argument.

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Wethospu.6437:

Most reliable way is to just kick them out of the party.

dominik.9721:

That would be a dumb and unkindly way.

It’s the best advice you can get. Wethospu’s word is rule.

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

hendo.1940:

What about arah path 2? Restricted, no execengisploits allowed.

There’s no time for comparison on GWSC for that path. What time would Guang have to beat?

About 10 minutes and few seconds.

DigitalKirin.9714:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Hey, you want me to theorycraft you a build, I’m right here. I’m ready whenever you are.

Any luck in theorycrafting up a warrior build that maintains 22-25 stacks of might for the group?

Beast. <3

What about arah path 2? Restricted, no execengisploits allowed.

I can just tell you, engineers and mostly rangers have no spot in.

I wonder a bit, do you take full buffs into account? Because 11k dps seems a bit low to me, in that case.

Lilith goes crazy.

Anyway, I’ve got the feeling guang is going to crawl back into his hole, waiting until he thinks we forgot about this and then claiming he won the argument. At least that’s what usually happens.

You’re right, looks awkward nevertheless on first impression. :P

Aside of the screen being awesome, where the hell did your right arm go. That looks unhealthy.

Also highly unlikely there, aside of which, there are just a very, very few boss kills without the use of conjured weapons.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Darox.8069:

Do eles run 5/5/0/4/0 apart with FGS? :o

5/5/0/4/0 or 5/5/2/2/0 is going to the best DPS you’ll get per Fiery Rush. I dunno what else you would run but anything else is going to bring down your DPS even more and thus make 6/2/2/4/0 or 5/2/2/5/0 that much more attractive.

I knew you had no idea about actual gameplay, but it seems you have no idea about theorycrafting either.

maha.7902:

hendo.1940:

Awaiting your sub 7 second lupicus kill with engi(s).

What

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

3) They are a net DPS boost to absolutely minmaxed groups, because they enable the organizer(s) to drop out certain “necessary” utilities for DPS. That also includes stuff like might and vuln stacking, i.e. an ele can drop Weak Spot and go something like 6/2/2/4/0 instead of 5/5/0/4/0 for more DPS.

hendo.1940

Dat

Darox.8069:

Do eles run 5/5/0/4/0 apart with FGS? :o

Not that I see any reason to, but apparently yes. #6u4n6v3r53

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

deSade.9437:

Well, it’s a comp I adore to use. It’s not like I’m giving a kitten if the superprol33tspeedzrecordz meta changes; if all the characters in your party are built properly and know what to do you complete all runs in more or less the same time with any comp – as long as there’s a parvence of a warrior and maybe an elly.
It’s just some people that are obsessed with having a very specific comp with 300 ellys, thieves and warriors. You don’t need that.

Engie is even better if you’re minmaxing the minutiae precisely because they cover all the bases and give good DPS to boot. A single engie will give you might, vuln, DPS, and stealth by default and he can swap into reflect if necessary, although I’m not totally sold on the effectiveness of said reflects.

Nonetheless they are good in any circumstance because:

1) They are a huge damage boost to pugs due to all the might and vuln, plus their own high personal DPS.
2) They are a decent damage boost to casually-organized groups, because those groups aren’t likely to max vuln on their own.
3) They are a net DPS boost to absolutely minmaxed groups, because they enable the organizer(s) to drop out certain “necessary” utilities for DPS. That also includes stuff like might and vuln stacking, i.e. an ele can drop Weak Spot and go something like 6/2/2/4/0 instead of 5/5/0/4/0 for more DPS.

Which is what I’ve been saying since the start, but you know, HURR HB DMG BESS

Awaiting your sub 7 second lupicus kill with engi(s).

Do you have an unlimited hair style contract? I’m shocked.
Now I need to love one character of you with the passion of two.

So that is Jaya Voska? I though the pink one with the glasses was. O.o

I must say, I like that asura at least as much as your main.

Necro puglyfe inc.

That would/will be a sad laugh, though.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

The general idea I’m thinking of is:

• Staff Ele
• LH Ele
• EA Warrior
• Engineer
• Ranger

Ranger / Engineer probably have enough reflects for most things, Engineer has stealth, basically replaces Guardian and Thief. That frees up a slot for Ranger, so you get access to Spotter and Frost Spirit. Does it work in every situation? No, but i think it’s probably a good general template

Surely nice for a casual run or individual speedtest, would suck in an actual dungeon run setting, though.

Azrael.4960:

Y u no AZREELL?

So true. Gold.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Correction: They don’t take YOUR engi or staff ele into speedruns because YOU suck. Maybe, I dunno, not like I’ve ever seen you play, but if you can’t even hit half the DPS of a warrior on an engie, you’re probably doing something wrong and shouldn’t really be talking about meta at all.

It’s funny how you always catch the obvious. And at no point in the game staff elementalist was higher dps than S/F + FGS. Especially not when lava font only had four ticks.

Substract all the condition damage from the former, there you go.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Re: Eles
I never said D/F was superior, you’re probably confusing me with someone else. I’m the one who argued for staff ele Lava Font spamming which no one really disputes is ridiculous DPS.

Reading comprehension OP?
You’ve been telling staff has superior dps than any other elementalist weaponset and is the “to-go” set. Zelyhn proved you wrong that D/F is superior damage and I was correct about S/X + FGS being way superior. Remember, that was before staff eles got a huge buff with persiting flames.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Re: Engis
You can go “I tried an engi for a few minutes and my DPS didn’t seem that good” all you want but I can easily flip that and say my warrior DPS isn’t that good either. There’s a reason the meta warrior build is an EA support build and not a raw DPS build. There’s a difference between engineers not being good for speedruns and people not being good at engineers in speedruns. I don’t think anyone’s ever disputed that a good engineer is anything short of amazing in any situation, speedrun or otherwise.

I have nothing to say on this, it’s just laughable. For one, I did not try just for a few minutes, actually not for much less than I did on warrior. An hour of going through different builds is enough to see the potential of the thing you’re currently on. Never said I’m a perfect engineer, neither am I a perfect warrior. For sure, though, I’m along the better ones in this game. I might be better on warrior than I am on engineer, but that would not explain warriors dealing almost twice as much direct damage as engineers in any tests I did. And for the last sentence… seriously, start playing the game.
You don’t take staff camping eles into speedruns, not because people can’t handle them, but because they suck. You don’t bring engineers into speedruns, not because people can’t handle them, but because they suck. I’m always flattered again on how far off reality you live, although I should know after such a long time.

I must clearly change my tactic.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

hendo.1940:

This slowly depelovs into the car pic forum.
Nothing bad about, I like this change. Let’s see if I get around to posting some better pictures this time, but as I’m highly unfashionable, I doubt so.

How dare you say your ele isn’t fashionable! D-:<

How dare you say my ele is fashionable compared to yours? D-:<

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I send them cookies to get them to stop messaging me… doesn’t always work. X.x

You neither told me to stop stalking you, nor did you send me cookies.
And I’m not colesy. Although we both have an unhealthy obsession to spam imgur links.
And Fror, I’m also obsessed with giving dungeon spots to other people, especially low levels. Be it pugs or forum members, everyone is welcome. I’ll let you know when you can leech something.

This slowly depelovs into the car pic forum.
Nothing bad about, I like this change. Let’s see if I get around to posting some better pictures this time, but as I’m highly unfashionable, I doubt so.

CalamityO.2890:

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Kind regards.

I wasn’t really involved in the discussion but I’d like to thank you for your kind behaviour and insight now, thats some really, really rare occassion on the internet, especially here on these forums.

I am a bearbearbearbearbow. No idea what bearbows think, such casuals.

:)

Aside of the perma fury thing, how can you get 25 stacks with fury but only 15 without?
Since when do 10-20% critchance result in a 66% might increase?

And for all your fights, aside of the staff ele one back before the update, I argued that its useless in dungeons compared to S/D + FGS. Zelyhn prove you wrong on D/F being superior. I never saw a guardian debate of you here on the forums, the ranger one was really short (and I’m sure I did not have it with you). However, I don’t see rangers being used in dungeons, let alone speedruns, so I guess I’m right. But:

As for engineer, you’ve been claiming engineer dps as high as warriors. Multiple times now, also being equally strong in a solo setting. If you are sure you are right, why don’t you just do a 4 min lupicus solo to verify your claims? I tried to test them ingame, but every time I got their direct damage being about 40-50% lower than warriors.

I mean, if you are right, it shouldn’t be that hard to prove it, should it?

Rp as fire gods. Problem solved.

I’m so uninformed, gah.

Enaretos.8079:

Challenge for you guys : find a non-troll post that would shame me

P.S : My healing ranger guide is a troll post

Frenchies don’t troll, so you just told us one.

Anierna.6918:

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Please, I beg you, not turn this beatiful thread into a theorycrafting argument.

Anyway, just found this.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

hendo.1940:

I afforded you EU/NA transfers, until you then left me again, just a week after. ._.

more like 3-4 months >:

Time passes so fast with you. <3

FenrirSlakt.3692:

maha.7902:

Of course I mean active defenses, if I thought healing and tanking was worth doing I wouldn’t even be in the guild I am in.

Then we cool?

No way, people don’t act like civilized humans on the internet.

Make it BURN!

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Shouldn’t be that surprised. Dub had to buy me Berserker armour for all of my classes when I started playing with him because I thought PVT armour + Berserker trinkets/weapons was the bestest way to gear characters (this was early 2013)

Though, unlike some of the others that you probably don’t expect one from, I never supported the idea of an AH guardian

I afforded you EU/NA transfers, until you then left me again, just a week after. ._.

Also lilith, no shame. I don’t know much about strife either, solely some of his videos. But it seems he had huge influence on DnT’s general playstyle, being a lot more organized than our standard dungeon runs.

When I found out one thing about guang, he starts using the incapability of certain people as generalized argument, whenever he has nothing left to support his claims. Or he accuses others of standing with the back to the wall.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Essence Snow.3194:

Wait he doesn’t test things in game, and yet argues validity?

That’s what the detractors usually say when they know I’m right, the math is right, etc. but they don’t want to admit they’re wrong. It’s the classic “I know math, logic, experience, and common sense all support your agument but I totally did this one thing this one time and got a different result” argument that Warlord really brought back into the scene lately. Also keep in mind that the same people were playing the ‘hurr math is for nerds" card when I argued in favor of DPS guardians, DPS ranger, DPS staff ele, DPS engie, etc. And I don’t think I’ve ever been wrong on any major point.

That said, Phalanx warrior is still decent for pugs even at 15 might although you’ll probably still want to consider if it’s really worth the DPS loss. The overall boost is quite significant but the personal DPS goes to utter crap and there’s no guarantee that the other pugs are even doing any damage worth boosting. Double of nothing is still nothing.

I have honestly not seen you arguing about staff eles, dps rangers, dps guardians or… ohwait, you argue about dps engis all time, apparently beeing best profession in the game, doing better job at everything than warriors, especially having greater survivability and of course dealing much better damage, even in a solo setting.

You know what the problem on this one is? Whenever someone tries to verify that claim in game, it turns out that engineers are just about half as good as you make them look.

Spoj The Second.7680:

Warrior can maintain perma fury on itself. Banner of disc should lasts for the full duration of almost every fight. Check warrior lupi solos for reference (perma fury and good uptime of banner). So crit chance is going to be around 100% for the majority of the time. If you have a low dps pug you can take inspiring banners in adept for perma 100% self crit chance.

My group often goes lazy mode with a phalanx warrior in our casual runs and that means the only one providing might after the start of the fight is the warrior. And it stays at about 20-25 might for the full duration. And even if it was only 15 might done by the warrior, thats good enough if we see ingame that everyone has 25 might most of the time. Please play the game Guang. Its all well and good calculating with maths, but you should back up claims with ingame testing aswell.

Take care, warriors do not actually have perma fury! Those 2% downtime may get you screwed totally!

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Kaiser.8504:

Shall I try to dig out one of theirs?

Yes pls. Hehe. I tried Dub. No go there hahaha.

I found a screenshot of me, being proud of a 43k 100b, though. #CharrPower.
Aswell as I edited above post, it’s pretty stupid what I’ve been saying, but hey, at least I realized ele supremacy.

I have absolutely no idea what does.
Too bad I didn’t get the kholer one… went up to the CEILING of the room, fell down and died to falling damage instantly.

http://youtu.be/_ie1lVCVNeY

I’m at 76% critchance on my warrior, with 100 power/70 prec food, no fury and no banner of discipline.

I actually cross 100% critchance just solo about 69% of all time, without banner im still at 98%.

Okay, the signet trait is honestly kittened. I’m getting up to 111% critchance with full BERSERKER (not a single assassin piece) equipment.

goo.gl/trdrkV

That one was actually 6u4n6m47h.

Darox.8069:

hendo.1940:

My DWA test tells me DWA is a 380,9% dps increase over using no DWA, resulting in a 200% higher damage output then an elementalist. I know it must be true because my raw tests in hotm and frame by frame recording make it evidient.

Who am I?

6u4n6m47h5 !

Did I get it right?

It was actually about warlord.

Another one:

Profession X dps is 3 times as high as profession Y’s dps. My maths tells it. Even if everyone’s tests prove that in reality, profession X’s dps is half as low as profession Y’s, my maths and therefore statements are correct.

My DWA test tells me DWA is a 380,9% dps increase over using no DWA, resulting in a 200% higher damage output then an elementalist. I know it must be true because my raw tests in hotm and frame by frame recording make it evidient.

Who am I?