I’ve been playing PU Mesmer. I admit I suck at Mesmer generally but if you think PU is overpowered than you are simply not a skilled player. I’m guessing #1 mashing warrior.
I played shatter mesmer versus a guildie, got dumpstered like five times in a row, switched to PU for the first time in my life and then threw him in the trash can like four times immediately after doing so.
Seriously hendo… go take your OCD medicine and come back when you’re feeling better. I don’t understand why you have to tear into every build that is not 100% optimized for fractals elitists. I carried 3 separate bad pugs with the traits I posted yesterday. Most of them ended up staying and having fun instead of ragequitting.
And I have 57 screenshots of pugs I’ve carried while using meta-builds that don’t have bad traits. I am trying to teach the OP what is good from all of these bad ideas like fire and air sigils that other people are suggesting which are not worth using in PvE. All fire sigils do is terrible damage and give the whole zerg a seizure after someone’s sigil proc’d on the scarlet hologram.
This is actually hilarious, I’m being moaned at for trying to give the OP good advice.
Medic’s feedback gets better the worse your group is, that’s the entire point of using it – I don’t slot it when I’m running with people who know what they’re doing and don’t die all the time.
Every time a pugling goes down, that’s a free feedback field for the rest of them to hide in and make some chaos armor if they’re smart enough.
Or you just maintain reflects yourself without using a bad trait. Trait your glamours and focus, use signet of the ether if you have to. You do not need medic’s feedback, don’t use it. If pugs are bad enough that they’re falling all over the floor you might as well just finish the fight off solo.
hendo. ranger runes don’t work with illusions. this has already been tested. ergo bad advice.
Do you honestly think I’m that dense?
2/2/1/5/4 dps phantasm build, with the most necessary traits to survive. But for PvE and survivability I’d recommend a condi build instead. Especially when you solo.
No, you do not ever want a condi build for PvE, and no way do you want it when you solo. I can link you a bunch of solos in power builds if you want.
6 inspiration is a good place to start I think. You get all the important minor phantasm traits, and there is a ton of good major traits here for support.
No, it’s not. A good place to start is whether you want to be using a build that is okay at everything or if you are willing to specialise yourself dependent on the instance or even the encounter. This is why 30/20/0/20/0 and 30/20/0/0/20 are the main builds to use.
Medic’s Feedback makes you the hero of pugs,
Medic’s Feedback is terrible. It’s a waste of a trait when you can maintain full reflect uptime without it. If I didn’t enjoy seeing pugs playing badly so much I’d kick mesmers with medic’s feedback on sight.
I’m running dungeons with 2/6/0/6/0 right now with mantras. 3x AoE condi cleanse, 3x AoE stability, 3x mantra heal for yourself. Restorative mantras for some extra heals. It’s not the highest DPS or the best build for organized groups (in other words, bundle up speed clearing only 9000+ AP allowed groups), but toss Medic’s Feedback in there and you can really turn a bad pug around. And most importantly, it’s fun to play.
If you want to go so heavy in mantras just roll 30/30/x/x/x. Ideally you’ll be switching utilities in between fights, but if you’re not and you want to go so intensely in to mantras you should at least get damage modifiers for it.
“Paths 1-3, only native english speakers who are willing to communicate”
“p3 at boss, free reward for full ascended berserkers (scholar runes), gear ping”
“p1, lf 4 berserker eles only”
Your filters cause you to wait longer for groups then it would take to just run the instance with normal exp zerks. Stop pugging find a SC guild or something if your going to be so exact with your adverts.
Dub is already in a speedclear guild. He just solos dungeons and then gives away four slots but sets certain requirements to see how many people he can get in his party who lack the brain cells to even read.
Otherwise, switch between 30/20/0/0/20 and 30/20/0/20/0 dependent on whether you need a lot of reflect uptime. For example, against Alphard you would go 20 in inspiration for the focus traiting, but against Belka you can just go 20 in illusions since she explodes in ten seconds anyway.
I actually missed the fractal CDI, as I was way too busy in the Ranger one.
I should probably go back and read that. Mid-dungeon crafting? Sounds like ya’ll got up to some off-the-wall stuff in that thread.
But, yeah, you’ve got the right of it Silber.
Just smaller versions.
It was the worst idea suggested in the entire thread.
I missed the part where anyone here claimed to be min-maxing
“They’re not min-maxing so let’s suggest bad gear”. No.
If I was giving min-maxing advice I would say take night/force for the respective dungeons, outlaw slaying/force for CM and undead slaying/force for Arah and have a perception stacking sword and underwater weapon. Then i would say that you should be retraiting for each encounter rather than just suggesting the 10/20/0/20/20 build which is what I’d consider a “catch-all” build rather than a min-maxed one.
But I didn’t. I gave a decent build and suggested what has literally been the meta standard for over a year now in terms of gear (berserker + scholar runes) and then offered a budget alternative.
ast I checked, the topic creator was requesting viable builds. Everything I listed in my post is viable.
Doing a dungeon naked is viable. However I am not going to suggest anyone does that.
Stop giving bad advice.
More elitist kitten stroking, please. Amuse me.
Ah yes, “the ‘E’ word”. Do you even know what it means? Or are you just throwing it around because you don’t actually have an argument? That sounds about right, I’m so used to it now.
Ruby Orbs are effective and cheap alternatives to runes, and also comparable if you’re not going to be above 90% HP most of the time with Scholar runes, of which the 10% damage bonus doesn’t affect phantasms and this is a phantasm build.
Battle, again, because might affects your phantasms and you’ll be switching between weapon sets constantly for your phantasm summons.
Fire and Air are simply for additional damage via procs.
TL;DR I listed them as viable. They are. Problem?
Ruby orbs are not an effective alternative. At least use ranger runes. Half of your dps comes from yourself too, so yeah, you kinda want damage modifiers especially since mesmers are so scarce on them. A damage modifier also does a lot more work than fire or air an is always on rather than a random proc with a cooldown. Soloing dungeons naked is viable too – doesn’t mean is suggest anyone to do it. If you aren’t going to give good advice, don’t give advice at all, the last thing this game needs is more people who ask for advice being deceived.
Ruby Orbs still grant awesome stats for a low price and are better in organized groups than strength.
Battle grants best mesmer stats due phants affection.
Fire and Air is kitten in pve.
Ruby orbs don’t even grant a single crit damage anymore. They’re bad. Go berserker with ranger runes if you want a budget alternative, just not rubies. You want slaying/night or whatever the relevant damage sigils are for the dungeon you are doing. Or even force accuracy.
I’ve been running Brown Bear since his F2 got buffed to 2 condis and can say he totally trivializes fights, he’s so tanky that I literally can just hit F1 and forget about him in 99% of fights since he will just out heal anything thrown at him.
I guess the 1% where the bears doesn’t trivializes a fight includes a bunch of champions, since I would really like to see a bear outheal some of the damage champions deals, even when built for absolute maximum tankiness.
Who cares about general pve trash, any pet will work just fine vs those.
You that abomination in CoE that everyone skips because he butt kittens you? Yeah, my bear just sits there and tanks it while the team kills his adds and then kill it, i normally have to swap him at about 75% of the aboms health, and then can bring him back out at about 50% and he can tank the rest of it.
A few champions? That’s a kittening joke, bears have a good amount of toughness, 54k health, and then my regen ticks for nearly 320 (i think it’s at like 317 or 315 assuming i have no stacks), and and then if i decided to equip SotW just for kittens and giggles that’d give him another 500 hps, and then if i REALLY don’t want my pet to die i can throw on Natural Healing.
Bears trivialize PvE encounters EASILY, I’ve even had a few “meta” warriors comment on how trivial fights were last night while i was dungeoning with a friend or two.
If you use your dodge key you can kill it just fine, you don’t need your bear to be giving it 25 stacks of frenzy.
I don’t NEED to, and I wouldn’t if he didn’t have 2 mobs that pull and knockdown so the Abom just kitten s you, also…. You seem to be under the impression PUGs know how to dodge anything in that fight (there’s a reason they skip it and it’s not because it’s not worth the time, the fight takes like 1min).
Honestly, you can just pull the two elites away, kill them and then kill the abomination if you want the champ bag that badly. You do not need a bear giving it 25 stacks of frenzy making it insta-gib anything it gets in to contact with.
2. Crowd control: not particularly amazing in comparison to guard, mesmer or ele. War sacrifices DPS for more CC with hammer. Thief and guard can blind.
Tremor hits five targets for a two-second knockdown which can be enough to give the party breathing room.
3. Battle res: Rare. Rally is faster.
And what if you have nothing to rally on? You know, like some of the bosses?
6. Archdiviner/Mossman: why would anyone want to take a hit from them?
Because people aren’t perfect and either get lag or make mistakes. Cut the tryhard BS out, not everyone can dodge every single hit.
you may or may not have noticed but you only have two dodges in this game
conditions can pretty much be applied by autoattacks
so no, you will not be dodging condition spam. you can dodge condition bursts, yes (e.g. sig of spite or for a more relevant example, torment block on scepter), but good luck trying to dodge a player applying conditions with literally every single skill they use. you see, i’m not a fan of tryhard “learn to dodge” when it’s physically impossible to dodge the sheer volume of conditions applied to you.
1) Has High burst damage
Dodge
2) Has High condi spam, mainly confusion, bleed, burn
Dodge
3) Has protection/aegis on and generally reduces any non-condi damage by half
Boon strip
4) Constant Stealth
Prediction
5) Constant Healing (while in stealth)
Boon Strip
6) Million of clones no matter how many AoE spam there is
Don’t kill the clones
7) Uses GS
Stay as close as possible
8) Constant Condi Removal
Lol, please tell me how this is done on mesmer
Edit: Eh, is perhaps he’s running mantra heal and mantra cleanse. With condi cleanse on heal. If that’s the case. Condi Pressure would be my tactic. Exhaust his charges and interrupt.
Putting aside how having all these things is impossible on mesmer. That would be my strategy.
did you seriously just tell someone to dodge condition spam?
I’ve been running Brown Bear since his F2 got buffed to 2 condis and can say he totally trivializes fights, he’s so tanky that I literally can just hit F1 and forget about him in 99% of fights since he will just out heal anything thrown at him.
I guess the 1% where the bears doesn’t trivializes a fight includes a bunch of champions, since I would really like to see a bear outheal some of the damage champions deals, even when built for absolute maximum tankiness.
Who cares about general pve trash, any pet will work just fine vs those.
You that abomination in CoE that everyone skips because he butt kittens you? Yeah, my bear just sits there and tanks it while the team kills his adds and then kill it, i normally have to swap him at about 75% of the aboms health, and then can bring him back out at about 50% and he can tank the rest of it.
A few champions? That’s a kittening joke, bears have a good amount of toughness, 54k health, and then my regen ticks for nearly 320 (i think it’s at like 317 or 315 assuming i have no stacks), and and then if i decided to equip SotW just for kittens and giggles that’d give him another 500 hps, and then if i REALLY don’t want my pet to die i can throw on Natural Healing.
Bears trivialize PvE encounters EASILY, I’ve even had a few “meta” warriors comment on how trivial fights were last night while i was dungeoning with a friend or two.
Mesmer >> Guard with untraited warden, blink, portal, focus pull.
Guard > Mesmer with aegis.
Why on earth is a class that can apply a good amount of weakness, CC, battle-res, perma-25 stacks of might, soak up damage on a switch in dredge fractal and take a hit from archdiviner/mossman and not be plastered all over the walls at 49 tier 3?
Sooo… I was thinking about going for 6/4/0/4/0 but then I realized that I do not use any mantras anymore since the new patch is out. I simply have NO SPACE for those medicore utility skills. Since I went rune of strength aswell sigil of battle as before but chaged bloodlust to sigil of strength I can create a lot of might myself. Since then I’m sure that the damage the team deals with my buffshare is higer than the personal damage I would deal more with some crappy mantra bonus. So I started to use the signet of inspiration again, like in old days when I tried them once. Now I’ve traited signet cdr since I use 2 of them and I went 5/4/0/5/0 for double phant trait and no mantra dmg. Anyone else does approximately the same? Or why don’t you? I’m 80% pug.
Stop hiding behind the pug excuse for using suboptimal builds. I pug Arah all of the time and don’t use them, jesus christ.
That reason is kinda silly … The warrior might thing seems not that correct, I can’t confirm that they can do this, and if they can it definitly requires a long time til they stacked up. Also there aren’t only warriors in a party, at least not in mine o.O
A phalanx warrior can drop a battle standard, go afk and maintain 12 might stacks and 60 seconds of fury on a group.
A phalanx warrior can give out 13 might stacks to a party with hundred blades + whirlwind (4.5s cast times combined), 6 with fgj (19) and then 5 with signet of rage (24). At that point you just auto with GS, do hb/ww off cd and you’ll permanently have the party at 25 might.
This thead really makes me wonder by engineer gets sold short so hard, they can might blast without interference from light fields, stack loads of vuln, and now deal extremely competitive DPS (around thief tier). Much better than anything a Phalanx warrior can put out, pug or not.
I guess it’s just cause no one wants to press all those buttons, I almost never see engies in any PvE format, period, and the ones I see are running something stupid.
We just all missed the amazing new trait that converted guangmath into actual game facts, namely ‘increasing engineers direct damage by 75%’.
Sounds like someone’s still salty about getting blown up in the DWA vs. GS thread.
In all seriousness, I don’t think I’ve ever not said Engie is super high DPS. The patch DOES in fact increase Engie DPS by a kittenton, since rifle burst + ascended weapon damage + double sigil + everyone else being nerfed adds up pretty significantly.
if blown up means being told that greatsword is actually the best option for dps
“Because I tested it” does not count as evidence at all. Provide us with results of your test, including your math numbers, your assumptions and screenshots where applicable.
I am curious, as I mentioned above, that the gs portion of the gs+a rotation is almost double the dps of the axe portion. Makes me wonder if it’s better dps, even in a group where the self-Might isn’t needed to even swap. Clearly Goku and Dub and the other lupi warrior solos have unscientifically figured out that it’s better when solo especially with strength runes, but I will go back in and do the math to see if it’s better in groups too.
Its better for the same reasons as in solo. You rarely have perma 25 might and vuln in casual runs. Obviously if you are doing a record or you are super keen every casual run like DD do then its not the best choice.
That isn’t good enough for me. I want to test it. It might be the best dps even in a record run but I won’t rely on conventional wisdom to decide that for me.
Edit: Forgive the badness of this dps rotation (and Swiftpaw audio), it could obviously be tightened up, but I was on my lunch break and didn’t have time to record something perfect, though it hardly matters once you see the results.
Well that settles it for me. 30/30/0/10/0 GS camping is the top DPS warrior build. You can even have Axe/Mace on swap and start fights with #2 + #4 for vuln burst and then swap to GS camp the whole fight. Either way, this is the best dps you’re going to do.
basically, dual-wield agility is there to fill the gap that axe and gs dps had pre-patch
The point is why we have dungeons then? if ppl only want to get rewarded.
Would you feel good if you’re in a marathon but takes a car to reach the goal?
So the way you are telling is take a car and run to goal and you got rewarded that your point of view here.
Same happen to the game with runners..
That’s not really a fair comparison. Is it really such a competition between you, personally, and the serious dungeon runners? Which one of you gets to say “This is a foot race, not a car race?”
See it this way, you are cheating the game that simple, why you have a trash mobs then? do you think they put mobs there only for people run?
The point here is everyone understand that you are lossing your time too, is not for casual players only, isnt better you get a hall of legendaries instead of running?
why most of ppl only made AC and TA and not others one? they answer is they are quickly dungeons. so the point is you want to farm gold, well lets farm gold but in a razonable way not running
If you run Arah p3, there are a whole load of elite undead patrols. I’m preeeeeetty sure they were designed to be skipped just by the very nature of the way the mobs were grouped and set up in that path.
As someone else said, stop concerning yourself with what other people are doing, it doesn’t concern you. If you don’t want to skip, don’t skip. Just make sure you specify in your lfg “no skipping”.
The only thing that bugs me are PU mesmers that refuse to die – pretty much every other type of mesmer build is challenging enough to play against but has attacks which are clearly choregraphed which allows you to actually interact with their bursts with your own mitigation.
This game needs more choreographed skills full stop though, getting thrown in the trash can and having no idea what the hell even hit me just drives me mad.
The main pre patch builds were 10/30/0/20/10 and 0/30/0/25/15 but now the new meta is 30/20/0/20/0 or 30/20/0/0/20 dependent on whether focus reflects are required or not. 30 in dueling does still have it’s niche, but is not really as much of a thing anymore. If you run a lazy 10/20/0/20/20 build (note – this is just a catch all build, dungeon guilds expect you to retrait on the fly if necessary) then the lack of empowering mantras opens up ether signet as heal so you can open the fight with triple phantasms. 30/x builds can take signet mastery too so they as well can use the ether sig heal if they choose to. Then there is how ferocity hits mesmers the hardest since reflects are so reliant on crits, and their reflect builds can’t even take the full 30 in dueling so they lose precision and critical damage. So basically, Mesmer went from bad tier to flat out trash tier and we hardly ever even bother running with a Mesmer unless they have unique utility for the instance. If you want to carry a pug which is the one thing Mesmer is decent at – just use a guard and do it better. Mesmers are at the verge of becoming the second necromancer of the dungeon meta.
CC has nothing to do with your gear choice in PvE. Defiance is not broken. You just don’t understand it apparently. You can remove it. Good groups do remove it. You can remove it in your cleric’s gear the same way players in zerker gear can remove it.
… If you don’t spam CC skills for no reason and get the boss to 18 stacks of Defiance and actually take the time to coordinate and time your CC to interrupt attacks, you will find that it’s very useful in PvE.
does anyone actually do this? Yes I know it’s possible. It just isn’t very practical in any situation I can think of, other than that one guild bounty where everyone who knows what they are doing spams knockback and hopes it gets through all the idiots spamming every skill they have.
How is it not OP when you can literally autoattack a boss and watch TV at the same time?
How are builds that deal higher damage but require strong reflexes and active damage mitigation needing of a nerf when there’s a level of skill involved to even play it? I know people who have done PVT/Cleric dungeon and fractal runs where they literally start a boss fight and sit and watch TV.
This whole “my dungeon guild is better than your dungeon guild” Is getting nauseating.
Y’all gotta remember who the real enemy is.
Y u no want me 2 touch u?
But yeah, the only thing that makes phalanx strength “useless” is running multiple eles in casual runs and paying attention to fire fields all time, but again, noone except DD really does that. And noone really has to, I’d but very surprised if I saw runs casual runs with perfect might stacking being faster than our usual one’s, even containing no eles at all.
In the end, there’s only one best dungeon guild. And that is heitred’s. They are excellent and unmatched in what they are doing.
The nerf to the merge party exploit has been fixed in a way I believe. So merge-kicking is impossible now. You can still join + boot the host though.
how good am I at speaking casualese, did I hit the key words?
Also, I like pretending groups have permanent 25 might too, it makes me feel good.
After watching DnT’s streams I’m not surprised you can’t maintain 25 stacks considering most of the time there aren’t any eles in the party.
What you don’t understand is that when Nike streams tours, he’s literally getting four other randoms from guild chat and we play whatever class we want, as long as most DPS modifiers and utility are present in the party (so 1 war and I suppose 1 guard dependent on the instance or maybe an ele for something like COE where it’s just the epitome of stacking in corners and pressing 4 to win) – beyond that we play how we want since it’s just a casual daily tour – as long as we aren’t doing dumb stuff like double mesmer, double guard or triple warrior.
Also, if we have lack of might in non-ele comps – doesn’t that make phalanx warrior actually good then? You know, since it literally maintains perma-23+.
