Guild Wars 2

Are you not cool?

The tank died early because he was bad, but the DPS warrior managed to stay up. Get yo facts straight. As an old healer buddy of mine used to say: “can’t heal 1-shots”! :^)

Ele isn’t bad at healing, stop spreading lies, nerds.

Real proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKivyalGKjU

0 Fire
0 Air
2 Earth [III]
6 Water [III / VIII / XIII]
6 Arcana [V / VIII / XI]

I’m not here to make a big, bloated, unneccesary guide or anything. Just providing you with the often tested Ultimate PvE Dungeon Trinity Roleplaying Immersive Healing Build which lets you reenact the trinity effectively. Screw staff guards, healing necros, mesmers, whatever. The elementalist is the best healer in the game by far.

Here’s an example i made to prove a guildy of mine wrong who was claiming that there are no healers in gw2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKivyalGKjU&feature=youtu.be

Sorry for the bad quality, i took it from my stream.

obal.3218:

There are no healers in guild wars 2.

Embrace the trinity!

Necro = coondition tank, warrior = dps, me= healer

The rest=off tank-dps

Try making a poll on general diss-cuss-ion asking if or not people would even care about that kind of idea or dungeons at all.

Wethospu.6437:

One problem is that it’s pretty hard to figure out good challenges. They easily become really tedious.

But I would like to see if other professions can do man mode Spider Queen.

It’ll mostly depend on where the Queen decides to spit her aoe poison fields to. WA = too strong.
It might be possible on engi/mesmer/thief/ele(fgs…) if you bring a specific loadout, though it might be hard without using any ranged skill.

Talking about tedium, remember this ascension challenge? : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tEC6u4CgDs

Too few participants, not enough interest, sadly. The gw2 community, bar a few dungeon forum elitists, does not like challenges or engagement. They just want to (semi)AFK farm champs or trash mobs in farming events.

[1111111 FFFF 11111111111111 FFFF 1111]

Though you know i support stuff like this and i’ll do any kind of reta/rded challenge.

I watched the whole thing….

[FUN] funposting again, classy.

Bad thing.
Let it die!

Stop trying to use logic on playhowiwants. It’s a waste of energy.

They also hate mai trin, molten duo and lupi.

What does this mean?

MM necros can heal lupi from 15% to 60% in one go, impossible to beat.

She really looked underage. <3

Bart Weird.9671:

try to beat a veteran faster on conditions thn on a dmg oriented spec
otherwise stop the qq u just prove my point

Isn’t it you who is qq’ing? And by the way, you have no point. At least none written in english.

Either melee or range. Melee? No poison fields ever.
Range? Just semi afk her, moving some steps forward or backwards, each time she uses the poison attack.

2 hour contest at 1 AM.

Azrael.4960:

WHY U NO AZREELL? :<

You make my heart skip a beat whenever I read your name.

spoj.9672:

Dubs lag is caused by dub and nothing else. Noone else has dubble lag like his. I wouldnt worry about it if you have a semi decent isp. x)

Yet noone reaches my ping, download and upload anywhere else.

spoj.9672:

hendo.1940:

spoj.9672:

Most of necros long duration bleeds are on other skills other than the auto attack. The auto attack just increases the amount sustained. And necros get more bleed duration than any other class. So they are pretty much the best class for single target bleed damage.

Warriors would like to have a word with you.

Hemophilia + Lingering Curse vs Deep Cuts

Lingering Curse ignores the 100% condition duration cap. So if you max condition duration necro can get 133% bleed duration vs 100% on warrior. But warriors have op base duration on sword. So i guess they are pretty equal. >.>

Lol, I didn’t know that. I wasn’t using that trait in my necro solos.

Anyway, warriors still stack more bleeding. 25 permanently solo, no problem.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

God cat it. Why is everyone on freaking eu.

Better question is why you are not. Your playtimes fit EU better than NA.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

chef and I ARE pro RPers… =/

RP1337ists.

Nothing like Emanuel.

I’d love to, but I only have 0 AR.

Impossibru!

spoj.9672:

Most of necros long duration bleeds are on other skills other than the auto attack. The auto attack just increases the amount sustained. And necros get more bleed duration than any other class. So they are pretty much the best class for single target bleed damage.

Warriors would like to have a word with you.

Iris Ng.9845:

Also, it may be a myth but when you chill Lupi, he kicks more and spawn less locusts. I cant vouch for the claim though.

I can ensure you that claim is made of kitten.

Feel free to make a new thread. Nice one, by the way. Amazingly lucky phase 3, as usual for you.

Lupi must hate you.

Pugs kitten me off the most, aka ‘phucked up guys’.

And before a mod infracts this for altering my language to bypass the kitten filter, whatch closely *P*hucked *U*p *G*uy.

Here’s a scenario. Belka has almost 400k health, in a berserker party she takes 5 seconds.
Assuming one profession got 25 stacks of bleed, 5 torment, burning and poison on instantly, that’s 5x ~7k damage, resulting in 35k damage. Thats what a berserker warrior under same conditions deals with like 1/2 100b.

So yeah, conditions builds will never be viable in parties, not even in pugs.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

My existence in this game is blatantly a bug.

Can we have more of these lovely bugs, please?

Mesket.5728:

full zerker party shouldn’t be the standard. The fact that it is, shows how bad designed pve is.

Oh, does it?

I just watched through our run. I was NEVER able to maintain 25 vuln on bosses, not even on belka. It usually reached 25 peaks while dropping to 14-15 on average. And this is including other people’s vuln stacks. I was even using Koi Cake and the vuln on crit trait. Been doing your rotation, with little interrupts, as bosses don’t just facetank you infinitely.

But…

Want me to cut out alphy?

Because it’s dps isn’t close to as good as other professions, vuln stacking on engi takes quite long (and is covered on fgs fights anyway, as most professions get a vuln on crit trait for no investment). Engineers are potentially very fast runners, but that is solely based on offering all three utility spots and using executioners axe. Okay, you can change two of your utilities on the fly, but without exec axe engi is slow anyway. As for stealth, engi’s stealth is not sufficient. It takes a while to build up (especially in your composition), doesn’t last long and has a 25 seconds cooldown. If you don’t see the problem here, I’m not sure if you ever played arah. Even with the additional 5 seconds of Elexir S, it’s still not enough. Now to the vuln stacking, it isn’t even remotely close to what you want it like. Before you stacked up more than 15 vuln, bosses would have been dead already in a proper setting. You can totally take out bleeds and burn out of any assumptions and also ditch a lot of the ‘25 vuln’. It’s closer to like 10 on average.

So basically we are now at this: Engineer is average to bad at dps, provides zero reason to take over an ele. It’s slow on skips and a lot less good than thief on granting smoke fields/stealth. It basically yields nothin, another profession couldn’t do better.

And now, in the discussion, we are at following point:
- You claim engis are good for speedruns.
- We tell you why it’s not.
- Nothing constructive for three sites, would be surprised if you read our posts.
- You tell us why you think engi is good in theory.
- We tell you why engi is bad in theory and praxis.
- ???
- No profit.

Video should get up this evening, rendering the condi guard one took longer thsn expected.

FenrirSlakt.3692:

That would work if it were possible to reason with

If it just were…

deSade.9437:

I… I see cats everywhere.
/takes some pills

Inb4 more cats.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Bootsy.6458:

I am a new player, but a gaming vet. I am very thankful we have elite players who post up guides and videos on gearing, speed runs so I can study up on trash runs and boss animations, and generally commentary on class rankings and party composition.

Because its not actually any fun to spend 2 hours in a dungeon with a bunch of clueless semi anonymous apes with marginal critical thinking and learning capacity. Ar least by running proper gearing choices and build, with a few select utilities I can feedback some big damage, port them past the jumping puzzle deathtrap and then provide approx 50% of the dps for the bosses – meaning it only takes 35 mins in LFG.

Thank you so called elitists for the resources you provide, to those of us who are paying attention but don’t have a ton of time to theorycraft/test/publish.

^^ I second this notion.

Thanks Wethospu, Dub, Sandy, Sam, Colesy, Cookie, Gabe, Jerem, and all those others I’ve forgotten who have taught me to be a better player than the sorry sentinel ele running 0/0/10/30/30 I used to be.

Whoa sentinel. I was starting with PVT.

DigitalKirin.9714:

Darox.8069:

You may say that it is cyclical logic, but look closely: we strive to claim the highest number of speed records. Sure some of us do not appreciate Guang, but the truth is that we do not care at all. If we were to hear about a way to be faster and claim more records, we would use it!!

Fair enough. I just felt like this could be a way that both sides could agree upon a course of action, but if no course is desired, not my place to pursue.

The idea is great, we already suggested that various times aswell.

The only problem is, guang will not do anything.

spoj.9672:

You know whats going to happen when we release the video dont you?

Inb4 we botched it and were steamrolled by aboms.

You can just go repair yourself, but I’ll join you.

DigitalKirin.9714:

I think what would work best, and this is just my opinion as a third party observer:

I think that both sides should make a video of a speedrun. Guanglai with his ideal party setup, and one volunteer from the speedrunning community using their ideal setup.

Here’s how I’d do it. Set a time limit on the production of this video. Like, you have 1 week to make it. I think Arah P2 was generally agreed upon, and I’m sure they could choose restricted or not. The videos are submitted privately to an impartial third party who will release the video links at the same time.

Just my thought.

Well, the optimum guangs composition can get out of arah path 2 is like a 13-14 minutes run. Thats about as fast as an arah duo of an elementalist and a warrior, striving for a great time. It’s about 4 minutes slower than what a proper setup is capable of.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

hendo.1940:

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

To sum what has happened so far: Guang made a claim about engineers and provided some math and a sample dps rotation video using his build, but did not provide a full party speed run example.

Actually he made a claim about engineers and didn’t provide anything at all.

Neither did you so i guess that makes us even.

I and others kinda provided arguments why your composition is kitten, didn’t we?

However, a path 2 “speedrun” video is in the making, takes about 4 hours to get online, though. Given, it went terrible, that’s to a high extend caused by the crappy setup. However, since we stacked might and fury, you can see how kittenty the contribution of an engineer is in a speedrun anyway.

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

To sum what has happened so far: Guang made a claim about engineers and provided some math and a sample dps rotation video using his build, but did not provide a full party speed run example.

Actually he made a claim about engineers and didn’t provide anything at all.

FenrirSlakt.3692:

I like that Guang takes the time to theorycraft and I truly respect that, but in the end theoretical data is just as useful as its practical application.

Except, his calculations are not even right.

And burden of proof lies on him, pretty much everyone who’s into speedrunning dungeons on a serious level knows that engineers have no spot in, which is not even necessarily limited to practical application. So far he’s just been saying that engis rule, not showing anything to back up his claims, yet not even presenting a build or rotation in this thread.

I’ve tested engi often enough now, results are bad. I have a few engi videos on youtube, check them out yourself. Guang one the other side has nothing.

FenrirSlakt.3692:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Incidentally, I just soloed Arah P2 with my engie in six minutes including the loading screen and without skipping any cutscenes, let’s see you beat that.

wat

Let’s see you provide proof of that.

Guang never proves anything. Except that he likes being shot, of course.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

haviz.1340:

We were doing arah p2 run with his recommended team composition and I was completely blown away by the result. I am very sorry to doubt, I wish I knew earlier.

“We tried it and it didn’t go too well.”

Nope, it went utterly bad, time wise.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

haviz.1340:

I guess you could say it’s okay on paper.

“It should have worked but we botched it.”

We didn’t botch kitten, the circumstances in which engi would be a viable option are simply inexistent in the game.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

hendo.1940:

Edit: Yeah, we’re totally blown away by the results.
Just like the abominations were.

“We accidentally launched the Aboms out of a stack and they wiped us.”

U wot m8?

Darox.8069:

Darox.8069:

Wow you managed to make Leman post, Guang, that does not happen often. And when it does, it’s meaningful.

As for your engi rotations, it took Dub and I no more than two minutes to come up with something better than yours. This sounds awfully familiar to the time you did not include meteor shower in your staff ele rotation
(Despite me having been talking about ele rotations and staff potential for many months before you wrote your thread ….)

“We ran the wrong engie build.”

I used yours. But yours is bad. Not only because engi is bad, but also because you failed maths and assumptions once again and came up with wrong conclusions.

She can never refuse my offers.

Wethospu.6437:

Any chance to see combat log?

You don’t see damage inflicted by your illusions in combat log. Way too hard to implement.

maha.7902:

She’s obviously 18+ :/ Do I need to add a disclaimer or what ?

shes obviously 5

she obviously had 5 breast implantations

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I guess not everyone can human female.

What’s so bad about it? o.O