Guild Wars 2

monepipi.5160:

Every match I go into, I see at LEAST 6 thieves. In a 16 player match. Thats almost 40%. This game has 8 classes.

Does this look like a healthy, balanced game to you? when close to half of the players in sPVP are playing thieves?

My condi trap ranger has 1860 toughness, close to 3k armour and 15k hp. I’m not a glass cannon. A thief can lock and drop me in ~ 2 seconds, or at least take away like 80% of my hp. NO other class can do this, the burst damage is abit too ridiculous. If I see the thief coming, its okay as I can protect myself with my traps. But when you run around a corner and a stealthed thief instantly downs you, it just feels very, very cheap. Another issue for me is they can vanish into stealth and finish me off while I’m downed—and theres nothing I can do about it. I cant send my pet after him to KD, I can’t interrupt his cast, I can’t bleed him and hope to bring him down along with me.

Mesmers are fun to play against (although a tad annoying, lol). So are guardians and warriors. Necros are hard to kill, but its still good and fun fights. Good elementalists are very challenging. Thieves…thieves just feel cheap.

Seroiusly learn to play Ranger. Ranger is the biggest bane of thiefs. I dont even need to dodge. I just put down traps switch to S/T drop down more fire and tank them.

Its so fun seeing thiefs blowing up themselfs while I tank all their damage. I dont even have defensive ultitlies just 3 traps and entangle.

Shukran.4851:

Buzzcrave.6197 : i understand it, but have u ever tryed to PW without haste to someone who knows what he is doing? you PW, he is stunned, then dodge = you hit maybe 1-2 times. where is the danger in it?
maybe if the #2 skill immobilize is longer (2.5-3secs), you can remove stun from PW making his dps faster. PW right now needs about 4 secs to do his full dps. put it to 2 secs max with no stun and add something else, like blind maybe. so thief can’t stunlock but can still use PW we loved so much.
just an idea.

You dont even need dodge against haste pw to dodge it. You can walk out of it since stun is only .5 seconds.

I’m gonna post 20k 100b warrior bursts to show how balanced is warrior. More survibility then theifs, more damage, more ulity, better roaming speed.

I wish guild wars 2 was like GUILD WARS ONE

Bah edit button gone.

Lets all roll warrior. Highest Damage, Highest HP, Highest Armor. Best farming for PVE too.

Devs favour Warrior, they said themselfs. Lets not mention that Warrior get buffed while broken unplayable useless class gets nothing looks at ranger

Ranger, you are sub par in everything. Its a class that should be removed

I did 32k 100b on Necro (using shroud, its why I got that high number since everything dies before 100b is finished.

Thief burst my kitten /p>

Also glass cannon warrior is viable in tpvp. You can kitten a whole team trying to raise or stomp someone. You have uber movement, better then thief and more survibility.

Lets not mention lol 12k eviscirate and immunity to damage with shield block and endure pain.

PS. Whirlwind instagibs any glass cannon thief even if he is in stealth

Skirmishing is a CRITICAL TRAIT Tree.

Conditions cannot CRIT

The hell?

Why WvW Suck

Level > Skill
Gear > Skill

aegis is suppose to block only ONE attack

I wish transperncy on game balance.

Warroir has highest HP and Armor in game, yet highest damage
Warrior does 20k+ damage 100b in sPVP (Max I did was 27k on necro)

Thiefs do 15k Backstab
Thief’s Pistolwhip is less damage then auto attacking, when it was always weaker then 100b. Now its useless

Guardains with permament retalation up. Even boon stripping dont counter them

Bunker Eles can take on 5 people alone

Rangers are horrible in tpvp

nerf backstab, rebuff pw.

100b does 20k damage. PW does 6k damage (in sPVP)

Lol tpvp people are dropping thiefs for warriors.

PW nerf got them too much. My warrior can do 20k+ damage in 1 100b. Its awesome using 100b on people trying to raise someone :O

24k on a necro with 100b in spvp

Lol pistolwhip does 6k max

Jestersmiles.4365:

Just bring back the old assassin from GW1 :P

We did not need Stealth, that for cowards
We had a better combat system than the stupid broken initiative
We where unique for our time, not just some cookie cutter mmo rogue

We are Strider to the Thief Naruto, bring us back!!!

Assassins had no place in GVG

Revert nerf of pistolwhip (PW is now useless auto attack is better. Nerf ruined thiefs in pve more then pvp)

PW was never OP. It actually needed to be buffed to same level as 100b

Nerf backstab.

you cannot even use s/p in pve or pvp now

give me option to remove pet without kittening myself like in gw1

People loved ranger in GW1 but you ruined Ranger in GW2

Reduce 100b Damage by 50% and Bull’s Charge KD to .5 Second

Make is balanced compared to OTHER CLASSES Skills.

There is no reason 100b does 15k damage and bull’s charge knocks down for 2 seconds (which stun breaker dont work)

Lets not mention highest survibility due to highest armor, hp, shield block 5 and endure pain.

Better yet give 100b to Ranger

lol SB + QZ was too strong?

Sorry but Sjhortbow sucks compared to Thief Shortbow

This was possible in GW1. You could have builds without using elites.
I would like the same feature in GW2, mainly because most elite skills are quite bad.

Example:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Devourer_Venom
vs
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Basilisk_Venom

Another on my Ranger
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Spike_Trap
vs
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Entangle

I would prefer running 4 traps over 3 traps and 1 long cooldown elite which is quite easy to counter as trapper ranger

stof.9341:

Problem with the nerf is that, Pistl Whip is the only damaging skill a S/P thief has. So now it’s either you Pistol Whip and use 5 initiative or you autoattack and do only slightly less damage over time for 0 initiative and you apply cripple and weakness in the process.

Wrong. Auto attack does more damage now

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/S-P-The-math-after-nerf/388207/quote

I can never understand why Pistol Whip was nerfed. Its needed in PVE, and the damaging compontent was low compared to other multi hit skills (even compared to other single hit skills)
You could avoid PW easy. The stun is only .5 second. You can dodge roll before you swing the first damage attack.

As you see above, currently PW is useless. Using auto attack nets more damage then PW, all because bad players whined about an average skill.

Please note that the Invurnability Frame of PW is very short (you can stun before he start damaging) and the damage was lower to that of Mesmer Blurred Frenzy (IF Traited 30 Power 30 Crit. While Mesmer skill offers Invurnablity from start to finish).

The way to fix PW was to remove the stun compontent, damage was fine and did not need a nerf.

I hope this thread dont turn into OMG L2P, because I tell you the same. You want me to belive you cannot dodge an attack that takes longer then 100b to wind up. Before you say but stun, stun is only .5 and if you whine about immobilze, well Warrior and Mesmer both immoblize before their multihit skills. Also you can only use it 3 times MAX in a row IF traited for Initative.

All this nerf did was ruin PW in PVE. Just using Auto attack and Blinding Powder kills faster and safer then using PW.

Please revert damage of PW so it becomes useful again, and to offset this remove the stun compontent to give more time for people to dodge the long animation that locks thief in place.

Amazing how Arenanet nerfed an easy to dodge low damage skill and left other broken skills untouched

PW was fine. It did less damage the 100b and mesmer sword skill 2.

Natjur.4017:

You for real? Or just trolling?

Pistol Whip nerf was not about PVP, as it roots the thief while he does the 3 attacks and it was so easy to just ‘walk away’ in PVP. Just like the nerf to guardians, it was a PVE nerf. Most thief’s where levelling by just spamming Pistol Whip, so they nerfed it to force thief’s to use more then one key.

As for backstab, yes it can hit for 15k from invis (vs a caster), but that thief will be 100% glass cannon build and that is what the thief build is all about, get in close, hit hard and hope you crit and they die cause if they don’t your dead.

Thiefs who used PW are 100% glass cannon builds too

Pistol Whip was never OP. It did less damage then 100b. In fact you needed 3 pistol whips to do same damage in 100b.

PW is used for PVE. You just screwed thiefs in pve with this nerf.

All PW needed was remove stun compontent. Now try backstab. That needs nerf.

Unlike bad players who die to PW, Backstab has absotely no counter. While you are busy you just get 15k backstab on your kitten from a stealthed thief.

Reverse PW Damage, Remove stun compontent from PW and nerf Backstab

Amazing how you have the cheek to call people out for personal attack, when you insulted rangers from team paragdrim for pointing out sb nerf.

SB needed buff not nerf, like all ranger weapons. Compared to other range options from other classes (thief and warrior) sb is horrible

You even said that Longbow is best weapon for spvp for a ranger using power/prec build too.

Troll more in /map and run more crusade how you are best ranger ever

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I love how everyone is claiming the warrior is the most OP or most complete class.

No support
No roaming ability
No tanking
Longbow is only good for area denial

Only thing warriors have is insane burst on stationary targets (use your dodge button and suddenly the warrior does no damage), or CC out the wazoo. You can’t even have access to both.

It’s currently regarded as one of the most useless classes in dungeons and sPvP. There’s a ranger on every tPvP team guaranteed.

It sucks that you got a slight nerf, but don’t try to drag every class with you just because you can’t ultra-bleed people to death anymore."

No support
http://www.gw2build.com/builds/taugrims-captain-hammer-warrior-hammer-mace-1359.html ?
Or you mean Banner Warriors?

No roaming ability
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Whirlwind_Attack
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rush
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Charge_%28warrior_skill%29

No tanking
Highest HP in game
Highest Armor in game
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shield_Stance
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Banner_of_Defense
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Endure_Pain

FML. The Hammer/2 Mace spec i posted can tank 5 people at once.

Longbow is only good for area denial
Lets trade Ranger and Warrior Longbow shall we?

The only “nerf” Guardains needed was to remove Retaliation from game

Axe MH sucks for sPVP too..

You’re better off using 1h Sword. Learn to use that weapon and you will love it.

Battousai.7586:

ilJumperMT.4871:

Longbow on Ranger is a joke.

some serious learn to play issues going on right here.

Not sure if trolling or just stupid.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Longbow

“Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows.”

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/ranger/

Yea Right, Shortbow pre nerf didn’t do as much damage as Shortbow on Thief or Rifle on Warrior

Longbow on Ranger is a joke.

Mind you, Warriors have the cheek to ask for Longbow buff !

Schwahrheit.4203:

Braxxus.2904:

schwahrheit

Is it me or is my attack range longer/wider whenever I play Norn/Charr? The Myths of GW2 classes. Would be nice if we had Myth Busters, GW2 edition.

WTF are you talking about? The OP didn’t imply anything of the kind.

Do people even read what the subject is or just make it up as they go?

In some games when you adjust the height to maximum, you get more range. I’m just wondering if its the same for GW2 because you implied that Asura has an advantage.

Example is TERA. Bigger races had longer reach on attacks

Today I saw this first hand. I was trying Norn Thief and I had to fight against Asura Thief. I made my Norn Max size while the Asura thief was the smallest size.

He could hide behind boxes in Kyolo map….

WAD.6548:

“Really, balance is pretty good”
Do you, guys, really think that? Everybody knows how WoW idiotic unbalance crap is, but i play WoW battlegrounds hours and hours, hours and hours. Why? Cos you have chance survive even against 2 permanently bugged rogues in that game. But here, in situation 1vs2, wich always happened in spvp, you dead in 1.5-2 seconds if one of them thief.
Topics full of messages about that, but u think “balance is pretty good”.
This is absolutely abnormal, when in pvp games happens situations with instant dead with full hp for 2 seconds against 1-2 players. I classify it as bug.

“We don’t want to nerf X, then realize no one uses it”
And what you have now? Games full of thiefs and ruined pvp gameplay…

How many people say “remove quickness, it may help for a while, until next decision”? A lot. You not listen…

Nobody like insta-dead, nobody enjoy it, but game full of zerg.

Just remove (nerf) burst abilities, lower overall damage multiplier about 50% in pvp and game become a legend. So close to heaven..

Wait you said you stay alive long in WoW?

Let me take out my Ambush Rogue or 2 Minute Mage

Flappy.2837:

Thieves have 17k hp as glasscannon, and about one button with sword and one button with dagger spam that does the everything required for a extremely fast kill, thats what is annoying people who gets instagibbed. Other classes they trait, weaponswap use utility and elite skills to counter a one button spam. That isn’t very rewarding for me at least, sure i got knockdown, weaponswapping, and stealth, and thieves guild for that extra flavor, but unless i met someone who really, really fought back, i didn’t even need to use them. Stealth stomping was the most used utility skill and it can’t be countered that i know of. And weapon swapping as a thief? Not required at all to get the job done, its mainly used for short bow teleport.

Glass Cannon thiefs have 14k HP and 800 Toughness.

Pet pet blows them up before they can attack me lol. I love my Fleabag! (Name of my Lynx :P)

Why dont you whine on the following

Permament Blind (Pistol Offhand No 5 of Thief) which provides Shadow Combo field
Permament Disable (Pistol Offhand No 4 of Thief)
4 Second Daze (Sword Mainhand 1 Attack while in stealth)

I see people whining about Pistol Whip due to the fact you see PW as top damage. This is due to the fact that PW is the only damaging skill on Sword/Pistol Set.

A bad thief will just spam pistol whip. Most of them are so bad that they use Devourer Venom instead of using Sword skill number 2 for immoblize. Spamming Pistol Whip eats up all your initative and leaves you fodder for anyone if you miss it (which is frankly quite easy to dodge)

If you see good thief streaming like Lowell, you will see how he uses Steal to remove Boons, Blinding Power to provide support for his team, interput key skills and stomps with Headshot. Thats just using S/P. Shortbow offers more Combofield and Finishers.

Example is a Thief using Blast Arrow on a Healing Spring. AoE Heal for everyone in your team.

Please think before you whine.

PS. People should try out rangers more. They counter thiefs without even trying. While Rangers do need some fixing on bugged skills, they are no as bad as people say in spvp

Edit: Glass Cannon Thiefs have 14k HP and 800 Toughness. These make them really squishy and easy to instagib. You dont even have to focus them at all, aoe will do the work. I saw many times my pet doing 8000 damage on a thief

Oh hai.

Toughness > HP

My Ranger has 2k Toughness but 15k HP. I blow up glass cannon Thiefs without doing anything.

Gotta love traps

go back to wow if you want gear based pvp.

I’m nearly rank 40 myself, and I don’t want my gear to have advantage over rank 1 person. Skill> Gear

You know why WvW Fails? Gears matters too much there

I’m sorry but Retaliation Guardain kitten my CONDITION DAMAGE BOON STRIPPING Thief with 2k Toughness.

Its awesome having 15k retaliation damage while stipping boons and doing only bleed damage

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/New-Ranger-Passive-Spirit-Surge/first#post313941

PS. Sorry Pet Class are kitten in all RPGs. AI is horrible and people loved Ranger in GW1 due to being master of the Wilderness not Master of a kittening zoo filled with kitten pets

1H Sword + Torch is great combo in sPVP.

You only use Warhorn for Call of the Wild, just switch to Torch when its on CD.

tofus.4751:

Skyrant Kangaroomouse.7458:

Samfisher.7942:

It’s not an “Ultimate” skill. Is it so hard to read the description where it says “Elite” skill? Sheesh. If you ever played GW1, an Elite skill is a skill that’s very different, has a long CD and has very specific uses. It’s not a OMGWTFkittenBBQ one shot skill.

Oh you mean like the Thief skill “Dagger Storm”

Spin around, reflecting projectiles and throwing daggers that cripple and bleed nearby foes. You can move while spinning.

Does extremely high damage
Cripples and Bleeds
Reflects any Projectile
Immune to any CC

Yeah, i see how that works.

I could swear I´ve interrupted that elite more than once with shortbow#5…

Please tell me how to stun people with stability on

Dear All,

Most of GW1 Ranger players loved Ranger due to being Master of Wilderness and Versilate. While Ranger in GW1 did have access to pets, the only times that pets were used were as body blocking in pve (B/P in Tombs) or RaO Thumper.

I am sure that if you give people the option to remove pet from ranger without reducing the effectiveness, you would count pets you see on 1 hand (especially in PVP)

Give Ranger a passive called Spirit Surge. This passive “merges” the pet with the ranger, catch is the ranger gets a stat boost so he will not kitten himself. Currently if you wish to remove pet, you reduce circa 40% of your dps.

Example: If pet is dismissed (NOT DEAD) Ranger gets Stat Boost by 25%
(Numbers not Finalized)

The Traits that work on pets will instead work on Ranger. Some of these may need to have their number toned down may, again it requires testing.

Example: Pet’s Prowess makes pet Critical Damage do 30% more damage. Instead this trait makes the Ranger Deal 30% More Damage. Please note this trait may be OP if accessable to player, thus I may need to be toned down.

On last note, Beast Mastery Trait Line will not work at all during Spirit Surge

Nels the Cornwhisperer.8025:

No. No. And… No. Stealth + Attacks from 1500 range? Auto attack from 1200 range? Gets ranger longbow barrage?

How about this, just play a ranger?

Why I don’t want to play Ranger?

I HATE kittenY PETS

Why I love Ranger in GW1

1) No Pet
2) Interupts
3) Condition Pressure
4) Utilitiy
5) More Interupts
6) Preperations
7) Distracting Shot is best skill ever made
8) No Pets
9) No Pets
10) No Pets

Lol L2P, YOU are useless.

Warrior:
Axe auto attack does more damage then GS Auto attack. Change to Greatsword after 100b
Chain stun CC by swaping between Mace/Mace and Hammer

Thief:
Swap Dagger/Dagger x2 with Energy Sigils for condition damage build
Swap Dagger/Dagger x2 with Intelligence Sigil for backstab builds
Swap between Any Weapon/Shortbow for chasing, creating combo points, finishing and escaping

Ranger:
Swap Warhorn to Torch before you enter combat
Use Torch to create burn combo field then switch to prefered weapon of choice
Use 1h Sword to evade important attacks then switch back to weapon of choice

Mesmer:
Swap between Pistol Offhand and GS Mainhand to chain CC
Swap between Staff and any weapon of choice to create your own combo fields and juke

Possibilities are endless. You are only kittening yourself by not switching.

Just look at how Ranger Traits and how much of them are bugged…..

rav.4982:

go to necro forums: necros are the worst, go to mesmer forum mesmers are the worst, go to warrior forum its warriors

Necro needs love too.

Basicaly Ele Necro and Rangers

Dump for justice.

I would appricate something like “We are not happy with current stat of ranger in tpvp, Please look foward towards balancing all classes”

:O I can use wolf finisher soon! ty <3

Kasama.8941:

Please stop with this ridiculous idolizing. Why does it matter what they think? Just because you’re good at playing the game, it doesn’t mean you know all there is to know about it. The game is only a month old. I’m assuming these players don’t like the Ranger because they exclusively play defined roles. They want to create a team were each player has one role, and the Ranger doesn’t really play into that as well as other professions. Which is fine, nothing wrong with that. But that doesn’t mean the Ranger is a bad profession overall.

I fail to understand how you can say Ranger is a decent profession when its absolutely horrible and useless in tPVP