Guild Wars 2

official.7362:

Justin ODell.9517:

Ensign.2189:

Just because their algorithm predicts that you would be favored does not mean you would actually be favored – it has very, very clear flaws when handling premades vs pugs, for instance.

At least in aggregate, we have a very strong, linear prediction gradient for accuracy. Which means our match prediction is pretty kitten good, but we could always make improvements.

Roster size (i.e. premade count) accounts for 25% of a match’s prediction. I do wonder if it should be more.

The First stage to recovery is admitting that you have F’d up (cough -since the start of this game- cough)

would it be possible to get that admission? i cant tell you have much we all just wanna hear it not this jumping around the issue we want to see you get on the right path as it were

the best tip i can give u —-
SNEAK INTO THE WORLD OF WARCRAFT OFFICES WHEN NO ONES AROUND BUT THE JANITORS, AT THAT TIME YOU BRING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HASSY AT HUSSY HASSY AND HAIRY’S BOOTyBAKERY. SHE WILL DISTRACT THE JANITOR JUST LONG ENOUGH FOR YOU TO GET IN AND GET OUT SAFELY WITH DOCUMENTS TO LEARN HOW WOW’s ALGORITHM WORKS TO ONCE AND FOR ALL SAVE PVP IN GW2 hurrayyyyyyyyy!~!!!!#!#!#! zomg cruuk u saved us ALL HAIL CRUUK

ps ill take your deleting this as a sign that you have undergone this brave but necessary quest

Justin ODell.9517:

Ensign.2189:

Just because their algorithm predicts that you would be favored does not mean you would actually be favored – it has very, very clear flaws when handling premades vs pugs, for instance.

At least in aggregate, we have a very strong, linear prediction gradient for accuracy. Which means our match prediction is pretty kitten good, but we could always make improvements.

Roster size (i.e. premade count) accounts for 25% of a match’s prediction. I do wonder if it should be more.

The First stage to recovery is admitting that you have F’d up (cough -since the start of this game- cough)

would it be possible to get that admission? i cant tell you have much we all just wanna hear it not this jumping around the issue we want to see you get on the right path as it were

o also im looking for a team that is all 18+ seems like a lot of people here arent

i wouldnt be surprised

sry i keep forgetting to mention i dont want pvers point of views on my threads

I hate to say it but i really think you should copy what world of warcraft has which is a system that forces team making and if you leave that team you lose the record you made with that team.

im asking for this because NA is and always has seemed to be just one super pug running at a time and there was a very wide gap of competitive teams playing if any at all.

If you want the game to be competitive and esports then you must force competitive enviorments. Id also recommend creating an in game voice system for solo q’ers to communicate with their teams inside games without typing because its nearly impossible to communicate strategy and rotations without it and you would make it so that people had to hear you like counter strike they could turn the sound off if they wanted but make it so that everyone can hear if they have sound on…

thx just throwing some VERY helping ideas for a competitive enviorment

the fact is when it comes down to it i will win because im setting my team up in 5v4s and 4v3s. And the fact is no matter what you try and do to counter me i will counter you back. There is nothing you can do if i push far with mobility and either distract 2 or if they dont bite or theres only 1 i drop trap in stealth then as it wears out i fake stealth and make it look like im going far then book it to mid while he has nothing he can do but wait until they get an eye on me at mid but by then we’ve usually killed someone in the 5v4 and as he comes mid i fake stealth far again and if he doesnt bite i stay in mid for the rest of the fight until someone dies on either team and get the port back to far for the insta decap and cap. It doesnt matter who you put on your home point ill always counter them

i use my build for those rotations to work effectively.
SA is an amazing trait line that i use for my survival and everything i use full zerker with double sig for 25 might stacks i have twice the survival and even more burst dmg then you with 100% crit in stealth i use this build to survive 1v2s-3s while harassing far and forcing their team on the defensive always.

Ive proven multiple times again and again using pugs to beat top teir teams easily if i had a team understanding how effective 1 man dealing with far all game is with the insane mobility i have and burst for mid as i come in for the 5v4s.

Dont worry half of you here are bias against me anyways because im a huge kitten talker in this game. But plz if you have an idea to counter me ill gladly debate/show u how and why that cant happen with me. plz id love to hear your arguments im 99% thief with over 12k games played in tourny theres nothing anyone here can tell me about theif that i dont already know

Thief is the only class that hurts your team when you have 2 of them theres something wrong here and it should be payed attention to thief has been nerfd to the point where its burst is literally lower than more than half the classes in this game with twice the squishyness

Im glad u all think i just push far and thats it

infact thats the reason i dominate so many of you because of that line of thinking

its kinda like how no one in this game figured out that shadow trap is the best thing a thief can run but hey i cant blame the majority for being morons they’re the majority and they know right, right?

ps keep up the hate it feeds me

in this order

engi
ele
warrior

Hey im looking to tryout some teams preferably ones with the ability to stream gameplay.

r1 solo and team in the old leaderboards
able to stream gameplay
been playing thief since launch

mainly bored of solo q so i thought id start looking for a team since thief is only useful if u have a team willing to let you play your role

official.4658 in game leave mail if im not on

i really only want to join a NA team that all has members who can stream their gameplay so we can see whos doing what wrong and right pst me in game

drstranglelove.4391

they just dont care its the only explanation

its hurts my mind seeing how little anet has accomplished in pvp

if there was a reward for biggest let down game anet would take the cake

Cruuk here, since there isnt a real solo q anymore i decided im going to make a team

pst if you have the ability to stream your gameplay, listen well, call out well, are fast on resses, and are confident in your pvp abilities

msg me on drstranglelove.4391
leave a message in my mail

after seeing what they have accomplished in the last 2 years i dont think i have faith that they will start fixing core things all of the sudden.

like MMR
like leaderboards
and a rewards based on skill

they seem afraid to make this game anything other than casual

i cant tell you how many players i know that switched to engis and were baffled at how strong the class is in general compared to their previous in just a few days of playing.

and im talking people who were masters of their previous classes

8 turrets 1 bird and 1 bunker engi is really a sight to see
dont even think about how good it is (which it is) its just the fact that you know hes doing Literally almost nothing himself in the fight

ele is also up there with engi

at first i thought the rifle would suck for the thief but this might actually be pretty fun going from d/p to rifle it might help with the insane aoe thats going around and p/p sucks and sb is only good dmg if u get in close and spam 2 this might give us a chance to get away from these insane aoe fights that are what gw2 has turned into lately

wow im not used to praise i need more kitten talking it feeds me!!!

thx btw im lookin forward to gvg

Hey everyone cruuk here, ill be spending the next few months waiting for expansion recruiting players to join my Guild – Chairforce -

Its going to be small probably 20 – 30 core members.
This is not a casual team we will have set times to play and we can work around everyones scheduel as long as it isnt too crazy.

A bit about me ive been around since release playing pvp only with over 10k tourny games on theif alone. Ive been rank 1 solo and team (old leaderboards without using decay) i aalso have soldier of the arena title from back when paid tournies were a thing.
I know almost all the top players but im here to try and find some hidden skillful players that maybe having been given a shot to prove themselves yet.

I will be testing in a number of different ways
my main requirement is that you MUST be able to stream your gameplay (this is very important in finding out what we are doing as a team wrong during games and i feel its the only reliable way to weed out the mistakes on losses.)

If your interested in joining leave a message in my mail on drstranglelove.4391

Hey everyone cruuk here, ill be spending the next few months waiting for expansion recruiting players to join my Guild – Chairforce -

Its going to be small probably 20 – 30 core members.

This is not a casual team we will have set times to play and we can work around everyones scheduel as long as it isnt too crazy.

A bit about me ive been around since release playing pvp only with over 10k tourny games on theif alone. Ive been rank 1 solo and team (old leaderboards without using decay) i aalso have soldier of the arena title from back when paid tournies were a thing.

I know almost all the top players but im here to try and find some hidden skillful players that maybe having been given a shot to prove themselves yet.
I will be testing in a number of different ways

my main requirement is that you MUST be able to stream your gameplay (this is very important in finding out what we are doing as a team wrong during games and i feel its the only reliable way to weed out the mistakes on losses.)

If your interested in joining leave a message in my mail on drstranglelove.4391

thats normally the cycle right…

anet breaks balance everyone knows it by week 2 but anet pretends to see how it pans out for 8 months

The thread was made to show apparently how insane and godly we were back then but I remember a lot of people even back then saying only bads complain about thief

Zero Day.2594:

You can’t list the soon-to-be might nerf, as it’s not specifically target at the thief. It effects the thief, just like everyone else.

So what’s this thread supposed to accomplish? (Sniffing for tears… delicious, delicious tears…)

Why not…. global nerfs like the crit nerf and soon to be might nerf hurts theif more than most cause thieves compound these stats more than most to get our damage out

Not to mention that the intent on the might nerf is to nerf cele ele and engi but since might doesn’t effect condi as much as power people who run power only get hurt more

lol they still have their condi damage and people who are actually physical dmg dealers get twice as kittened considering thats our one and only stat. so cele engis and eles who are condi and physical only get half the nerf that we do why is everyone saying its to combat cele ele and engi when clearly there are other ways of doing so besides harming those who use phsyical dmg only

Heartseeker: Reduced damage of the 100%-50% threshold by 20%. Damage thresholds changed. Old: 100%-66%, 66%-33%, 33%-0%. New: 100%-50%, 50%-25%, 25%-0%.

Pistol Whip: Reduced damage by 15%.

Assassin’s Signet: This skill has been updated to grant 15% damage for 5 attacks rather than 50% damage for one attack.

Cloak and Dagger: This skill’s damage has been reduced by 33% in PvP only.

Dancing Dagger: This skill’s damage has been reduced by 50%.

Cluster Shot: This skill’s damage is reduced by 15% in PvP.

Stealth: The duration of Revealed has been increased to 4 seconds when coming out of stealth via an attack.

Reduced quickness from 100% attack speed to 50%. (i would argue this hurt thief more than most)

Basilisk Venom skill: No longer immobilizes targets in addition to stunning them.

Mug trait: Can no longer critically hit. Now heals the thief from a range of 1980 health to 2700 health.

Cluster Bomb: Decreased the range set from 1200 to 900.

Shadow Return (Infiltrator Strike Toggle): This skill is no longer a stun breaker.

Larcenous Strike: This skill now steals only 1 boon.

Pistol Whip: This skill has been split between PvP and PvE. It will now cost 6 initiative in PvP, while maintaining a 5 initiative cost in PvE.

Disabling Shot (Shortbow): Reduced the length of this skill’s evasion component from 100% of the skill’s duration to 64% of the skill’s duration—an overall reduction of .3 seconds.

Choking Gas: Reduced the poison per pulse from 5 seconds to 3 seconds

Shadow Return on Sword. Renamed to Infiltrator’s return. Added a 1/4s cast time.

Increased the base rate of initiative gain from .75/second to 1/second. but at the expense of -
-Critical Strikes VIII – Signet Use. Reduced initiative gain from 2 to 1.
-Shadow Arts V – Infusion of Shadow – This trait functionality has been changed to “Gain initiative when you enter stealth.” 2 init. (removal 4combo in bp)
-Acrobatics IX – Quick Recovery. Reduced initiative gain from 2 to 1
-Trickery 5 – Kleptomaniac. Reduce initiative gain from 3 to 2.

Black Powder: Increased the interval between pulses to 2 seconds. Reduced the duration of blind to 2 seconds.

and ofcorse the soon to be might nerf + many more that i missed or found insignificant

Why did i list this?? have you played thief recently?

i miss the old black powder too. thieves are easily out-sustained by immunity, protection, armor, blind, block, being an asura(lol), CC, fear runes, constant aoe to keep us from even going in for the burst. not to mention channeling which is one of the main reasons we take so much damage. the funny thing is you find nearly everything i stated on most meta builds these days.

Id like the ability to be able to have a shot against those meta builds by bringing back black powder so that we can stay in the fight longer with a fair pulsing black powder that allows the other team more than enough ability to still counter it will skillful 3rd hits and movement that gets them away from black powder just not in a way that lets any moron sit in black powder and swing away chunking the thief as if there is nothing even below their feet which is whats currently happening to everyone

On top of that i would like to see the revealed put back to 3 secs in pvp since it was stated by anet to combat theives in wvw from stealthing as long as they want. The difference is in pvp thieves cant just do nothing by sitting in stealth you are forced to constantly be putting pressure out.

i have this crazy theory that thief is supposed to be hard to catch or hit o i know crazy right

upping our burst is great and all and i agree but it wont stop other players from just out-sustaining us with immunity, protection, armor, blind, block, being an asura(lol), CC, fear runes, constant aoe to keep us from even going in for the burst. not to mention channeling which is one of the main reasons we take so much damage. the funny thing is you find nearly everything i stated on most meta builds these days.

Id like the ability to be able to have a shot against those meta builds by bringing back black powder so that i can stay in the fight longer with a fair pulsing black powder that allows the other team more than enough ability to still counter it will skillful 3rd hits and movement that gets them away from black powder just not in a way that lets any moron sit in black powder and swing away chunking the thief as if there is nothing even below their feet whcih is whats currently happening to everyone

i have this crazy theory that thief is supposed to be hard to catch or hit o i know crazy right

no one cares how u justify your p/p or d/d this is a pvp discussion

everything deviever says points to him being a pver (p/p spec, the want for buffs to d/d, the constant misunderstanding of how players fight other players)

id infact put money that he doesnt even play thief in pvp

yep pver written all over him

i dont evne know why i post here people kittenpond on these types of issues are almost always bais and do not play thief main at all. clearly something is wrong when people are ignoreing black powder all together and sitting in it without any real thought process or concequence

the simple fact still remains that you could still hit them inside it no matter what any of you morons say it was every 3 hits and you could still hit someone insde the ring even if they are trying to avoid you it was the only thing that allowed thief to get some breathing room and now that is clearly gone when people ignore the field all together and get off their attacks with little to no effort.

believe it or not thief is in a terrible state right now and this was clearly an over nerf that should not have been given the light of day in pvp. i mean like the other guy said it if you have a problem moving out of the small circle you have much bigger problems in gw2

thief is only on high end teams cause everyone else is running enough cheese to carry him in 4v5s while the thief decaps. cough double engi double ele aand carry the thief while he out mobilizes ppl but guess what not everyone runs comps that allow them to win 4v5s or surivve them with ease. not to mention thief mobility is nearly just the same as any warrior or ele that can do the same dmg with more team uitilies and more survival than the theif will ever have. 3 sec faster rotations dont justify how badly we are shut down in every aoe fight or nearly every 1v1 against meta builds

once again its all about the risk vs reward factor which is laughable vs others in this game right now

the problem is that thief attacks usually aalmost always have a second attack triggered that will go off a sec after u stop attacking which will hurt us with this change because now we will have to wait even longer than we would to make sure that second attack doesnt hit after the blinding powder… BP was already an instant cast i see no reason to even change this wont help us it will just be something else thief has to be aware of and wait out like aftercast and projectiles or bouncing attacks

anet just likes changes that dont really change anything havnt u caught on by now

lol im not here to give insight theres been 2 years of that givin by people who actually put in countless hours on thief in pvp. Im just here to hopefully say something blunt enough that it cracks anets head loose from the pvers filled inside cause im sure 80% of you here are just that…. pvers

ps if your not going to separate balance at least separate the pve thief forums from the pvp thief forums. im betting theres some headbutting here

thief is in a state of play that allows survival bunkery classes 15 mistakes to your 1 all while out dmging you and out surviving you and theres nothing you can do about it.

we are currently only useful being carried on teams that run cheese like double ele double engi that allow them to 4v5 while the thief uses mobility on the map

This is high level play im talking of which probobly alot of you will disagree with because they think killing some kittenty engi or ele low level play justifies anything

PS this is cruuk and ive got plently of credibility to back up my clearly blunt forum post

10k+ tourny thief alone with r1 solo and team (in the old system without using decay)

lol i wouldnt know i dont pve its an extremely easy pve system that only requires time not effort or skill (kinda like our new leaderboards guys lol)

im saying it was clearly for pve because clearly anyone who cant move out of the tiny ring doesnt need to be playing pvp at all and should go back to pve where they belong

we need to have pve and pvp section of the forums on thief because this is clearly whats happening only a pver would run p/p (prolly thinks hes good for beating fractals with it)

btw as far as the revealed nerf they even stated on their twitch that it was meant to stop wvwers from constantly using d/d cloak and dagger to never die basically which is fun and all but in pvp where you constantly need to be putting pressure that just doesnt fly

omg someone with a brain posted on my fourm post!!!1 i was losing faith and patience

i bet the p/p thief plays p/p cause he never leaned that thief can shadow shot backstab from range

lol i once again i know you suck at the game but dont bring us all down to your level every other attack is way to simple every 3rd made it actually a skillful counter not mind-blowingly easy counters like every other hit. Not to mention just standing around the ring and hitting them. what is so hard about understand that we are thieves which is to say very kittening squishy and shouldnt be as easily hit so im guess your a warrior main since they are the only ones who ever complained about it who doesnt know how to pop his kitten er stance effectively.

U guys act like it was permanent blind which is clearly wasnt

can we all please just ignore the p/p thief

personally ive always thought thieves place was to use mobility to get to far drop shadow trap fake stealth as if your going to 1v1 far and stealth up to mid while the other tries to figure out if your still far your 5v4ing at mid. The mobility is key because it gets you to mid just as they are for the outnumbered 5v4 I must be one of the only thieves who use stealth to setup outnumberd fights if i see their homepoint moving to mid ill try and fake stealth towards his point again if he doesnt bite i stay in the 5v5 until either one of our teamates have died or one of theirs then i take the decap on their point otherwise. This is something most thieves get wrong you dont leave the 5v5 to get the decap you stay until the fight is decided

im kinda blown away at how many thieves dont use shadow trap to be honest prolly cause it would mess up their internet found 2/6/0/0/6 build

as for what im running now i personally still like d/p 0/6/6/2/0 for pvp because i dont like s/d gameplay, and i think it has the most dmg output with the way i spec with double signet 25 might stack almost permanently with strenght ammy

stop trying to play thief as a teamfight spec and start learning how to rotate in ways that trick other teams into undernumberd fights

i think anet needs to ask themselves are we giving some of these players too much reward for thier risk and tone things down that way

i feel like im in a room with a bunch of p/p thieves, o wait i am (lol)

is there anyone who actually wants to make a real point here or are u guys just going to trash talk me and say things that dont really have any backing or credibility (i loled so hard at the guy who thinks the nerf was because of how easy it is to get into stealth how do those 2 things have anything to do with each other)

i have to be honest tho i didnt make this forum for other thieves to comment their thoughts on because lets be honest we all know how few real thieves who actually know how to play pvp and can prove it day in and out

im going to bet if you did a study that there are more non thieves giving their opinion on thief than there are real ones in the thief forums

haha clearly my trash taking has paid off for me in this game look at all these bias players

sry u guys got kitten on by me or made fun of by me in the past but none of that has anything to do with what im talking about here black power was counterable with every 3rd hit and no matter what stupid kitten u think up it wont change that fact that you could still hit the thief outsit the ring of the circle

sry that your all terrible and dont know how to move out of a kittening circle maybe you should go back to pve where mobs dont move

why do you guys even come here when u just started playing thief you clearly dont have any understand of thief. Ive got over 10k tourny games and r1 solo and team q on thief alone. And to everyone here who thinks i only played SA is kittening wrong ive tested a kittenton more hours on thief then anyone here so unless uve got something better to say than something about me or my builds which have nothing to do with this forum post and clearly your bias towards then just leave cause no matter how much but hurt you have agasint me your only hurting urselves

u morons act like SA is something cheese when its really only cheese in pve and wvw were you dont have to worry about sitting in stealth forever but in pvp where im sure none of u have even set foot you actually have to put pressure on far to the other team and thats exactly what i did better than anyone else which is why all of u morons even know my name cause i kitten on u with a build that clearly no one understood or knew how to play it. Sry that i learned that the thief was more about setting up outnumberd fights then it is fighting in them

so plz continue ur bias against me it feeds me and ill continue to kitten on u with bad cheesy builds as u like to call it

ps plz setup the fourms in a way that seperates thief chat with pvers and pvpers its just causing arguements over different game modes that clearly are much much different

not that even kittening matters but i ran zerker 90% of the time and soldier 10% only cause my build allowed for it vs heavey burst teams and i made rank 1 in solo and team q and not to mention making my reputation along the way.

sry u have a bias agasint me cause i told u straight but sometimes reality hurts kitten

btw what is proper thief build lol id love to see how uve copied something offline and used it as if u tried all the other possiblities

sry i thought up something that worked for me and sry you too terrible to maake something work for you as well as i have but bringing ur bais bullkitten here like ur kittening davinci or some kitten doesnt help the game at all so plz kitten

im only here to try and bring thief back up to par with some of the other nonsense in the game right now and these are a few ways of doing that

LOL OMG TOTAL IMMUNITY HOW EVER DID WE DIE

u realize it you were able to hit the thief even while standing inside it before right? it was every 3 hits instead of every other hit perfectly fine imo not to mention you can kittenign stand outside the ring and still hit the thief so plz tell me more p/p thief lol

the whole nerf of revealed was because ppl were running d/d in wvw spamming c/d over and over again not to mention pvp is a completely different stealth game where no rules apply of stealthing as much as you want but in pvp if your sitting in stealth over and over your punished for it and so is your team

pw is totally not fine thats why no one kittenign runs it in pvp cause it doesnt do enough dmg

i can totally see why it was nerfd in pve cause of pve mobs being kittening kittened but for you to be kittened and come in here making a fool of your self well that doesnt fly with me

Im sry but this was clearly a pve nerf because any moron who doesnt know how to move out of a tiny circle needs to quit this game

i know how much you love ur pve friends so why not just leave it the way it was in pvp like you do with some of your other patches

not to mention its 6 initiative and you cant spam it so whats the problem

just seems like another needless nerf to thief where anet thinks only of pvers

ps revert the revealed nerf to 3 secs that was clearly another wvw nerf im ganna bet money someone at anet mixed them up and since anet’s a hard headed company that would never admit mistake or revert something (COUGH undo the nerf to s/p 15% dmg) we seem to be doomed

i have an idea anet just stealth insert into the next patch and pretend like you forgot it like u do all the time

thanks,
your hated troll cruuk

i dont have a problem with the getting in and out i have a problem with how much of a reward vs risk it is vs others who can facetank and do if not more dmg in aoe for that matter thats my point im making

i love how they nerf might across the board just like they did with crit did they forget that thief gets the shaft more than anyone else on these things we rely on compounding these stats more than anyone else.

for a class that has to put literally everything he has into dmg and ACTUALLY position its self while trying to somehow get into the CONSTANT aoe stream that is this game all while trying to get behind someone with kitten like asuras in the game were u literally cannot even tell what is front from back.. only to get a backstab negated by armor and protection for like 2k -

plz plz plz just give some love back to single target burst

i could name you 10 diffeerent aoe spells in this game that make backstab look laughable after all its effort

plz dont cave in to the public’s opinion on thief if balanced right you should have a majority of bads complaining because thief will always be the most hated class in any game

o and this is cruuk btw the real one not the new fake imposter pretending to be me