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What Zephyranthes said.
Hope this ll come in future update.
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Europe = Red Guard .
Pro tip : Guild =//= Server
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Where is that kitten ‘LIKE’ button when it would once be usefull …
Great infos guys! You just made my day by giving me a ton of new input to think about for my glamour buildOne question though:
How much condition damage do I have to stack to be effective with this? Cause full Carrion + Berserker leaves you with almost no passive defines …
And is it compulsory to go into Duelling rather than Inspiration for the cd reduction?
@playandchill you said you would loose too much crit + crit damage. But Confusion cant Crit anyway, right?
Hey gorath. We have something like 1300 Cond damages (with corruption sigil full stacked ie 25 +Food+Crystal) wich is really enough to be a pain for foes.
It’s quite important going into 20 Dueling as it helps a lot doing nice damage with GS!!!
Do not forget that going gives you : Sharper images ( Crit for illusion make foes bleeding) and we have decent condition damages to make them bleed hard.
Deceptive evasion is really OP for survavibilty + Doing shatter damages.
That build is meant to be good at condition damages AND physical damages in any situation ( Zerg/Small group).
It’s quite mandatory going in 20 dueling for that build and it’s objectives.
Cheers
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Your def right gaiawolf. This build is meant to be very good when facing zerg while beeing very decent against small group.
When you face a 5 man group, you ll need to manage your Glam CD’s with caution. Most of the time yout wont throw all your glam skill at once, but you ll use them on purpose : be invisible/remove condition or ennemies boon/ nuke caster.
Too good, you ll also spread kittenload of confusion on them.
But this just your glam skill! Dont forget GS/Staff. With a decent amount of crit and power, you can really hurt with izerker and miroblade+Mindwrack. All with some good defense coming from staff. Thats why we are going to 20 in dueling, it helps a lot in small fight group.
Oh i really enjoy bumping rezzer with GS#5
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I dont really like the 5% chance to fear. Personal preference i guess i ll remplace it for a gem.
So basically superior nighmares are even more better than you thought if we go with 5x sup runes + 1 gem.
P.S. fear = lack of enemy control of direction, can be very usefull to force people to move through glam fields
True but that 90 sec Cd is quite a problem. I feel like people ll just buy a gem rather than farming 120 token more. Or is there another way to get that rune?
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@playandchill: The second would be to drop one of the other glamours for blink. This way you could easily make it out into the zerg with proper use of distortion, and then blink instantaneously back to safety.
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That’s exactly what i want to try. Never did this before as i dont know how foes ll react.
But if they see you dropping the portal and blinking away, they ll just ignore it and scream “PORTAL”. I think you ll need to cast Mass invi to get out wihout beeing seen.
This has so much funny video potential.
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This is interesting. I’d love to see a video of it in use.
Now, about portal. You seem to think that it is useless in this build because of the long cooldown time. However, you forget how the skill works, and possibly don’t know a trick or 2 about it.
Portal has a 90 second cooldown. However, this cooldown is calculated from the moment the first portal is dropped. When left alone, this un-linked portal will persist for 60 seconds before disappearing and sending the skill into recharge. If the exit portal is dropped at the end of those 60 seconds, the 2 portals will persist for an additional 10 seconds.
Here is the kicker: Any incarnation of the portals counts as a glamour field. The unlinked portal that sits around for 60 seconds is a (small) extremely long lasting glamour field. If there is an area you can reach quickly, you can run in, drop 1 end of the portal, and just let it sit, causing massive confusion for 60 seconds. Additionally, an unlinked portal is easily the least visible of the glamours, making it harder to avoid. ADDITIONALLY, the enemy zerg will cluster on top of it of their own accord, thinking it to be a friendly portal, causing massive aoe confusion before anyone realizes what is going on.
One last thing. In a smaller fight, or in a tight choke point (thinking east keep lords room) you can drop both ends of the portal for a double-loaded glamour burst causing confusion for each portal side, double the amount possible for any other glamour skill.
Haha thats totally true about portal cd’s. Knew this and didnt event think about it.
I still have some problem with it that i didnt mentioned earlier.
It’s not distance cast, you ll need to move inside zerg to drop it I dont really like the idea cuz the build is meant to be at max range.
Moreover it really causes a mess with allies. I used to play with portal a lot before but some commander/ players dont like you use your own. Im pretty sure you received some rude wisp like " Dont use portal if we dont say so ect….". I did. However we dont have this problem playing in small group with vocal up.
Now with that build just imagine dropping a 60sec portal in a middle of a fight. Yeah thats great cuz ennemies ll stick on it….but you allies too ^^. If you put a double portal your allies ll just random port like Zombies xD. Now it’s a really selfish build by droping " fake portal". I just cant do that or ll get massive rage from my team.
The only way it could be nice is teleporting your team inside zerg for bombing. Then yeah it would be awesome.
So i think we can stick with Veil/Null/Feedback. Portal may be a solution in few cases like team bombing.
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Thanks a lot kylia this is pretty awesome.
Really nice work.
TBH i found that build really nice before sharing it. Now with all those improvements it’s gonna be really OP.
I ll add you explanation to the core of the build.
I dont really like the 5% chance to fear. Personal preference i guess i ll remplace it for a gem.
So basically superior nighmares are even more better than you thought if we go with 5x sup runes + 1 gem.
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Hi Oji.
You are definitely right about selfish statement. That build is not for support(even if we have feedback/null and veil wich bring a LOT to a party), nor downing down ennemies very fast like i said in the description.
Well tbh now we added veil to it it can really melt people. Really.
But dont get me wrong it deals a tons of damage and really harass ennemies with all that confusion. It’s an heavy AOE build. Yes it’s a farming build. You ll get tons of badges and tons of kill. My way to play the game. But i really respect your point of view.
Taggin system sucks and im really disapointed that Support build are not well rewarded.
Blame Anet but I ll change tone a bit tho.
Thx for input
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Of course let’s go for some theorycraft. Would be nice to show me how nightmare or adventurer can be better for that build and objectives i listed at the begin then i ll test it IG and add it to build description.
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You were right for some reason i’ve never seen veil was one. Testing it right now it’s pretty awesome.
Edit : English client says Veil is a “Glamour” skill. French client says it’s a “Symbol” Skill while it does says Null and Feed are “Glamour”. I dont know why xD
So we have possibility between Null/Veil/Feed/Portal.
i like the short cd of Null and feeback.
I really think we can swap Blink for veil then. It ll gives a huge boost @opener against zerg.
Thanks for your input it really improves the build.
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Hi Lani,
A couple of questions, thoughts on your build:Can you help me to understand why you would go for the Undead runes if your not stacking Toughness with your items, Undead shines when you are pushing toughness, if your pushing other stats, your better off with another rune set.
With this build I’d probably personally go Adventurer or Nightmare.
Also with your low condition damage I’d potentially rethink the Tuning crystal, again as your not going for a toughness heavy build, you can maximise the damage output of this build with another secondary food slot. (running 894 condition when typical confusion builds are running near the 2000)
Lastly I would suggest making mention of the use of portals and veil to maximise glam distribution, especially since both have the chance to increase the output of your confusion (with the traits you have listed) more than feedback or null field. (this is after all meant to be the all round glam build
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Hey kylia
Thanks fo your input. I think undead is a good choice because of the 5% conversion that gives you about 55 cond damage wich are more important than the 50 pow coming from adventurer rune. At least for that build.
More over i prefer a bit of Cond+tough than 5% to chance to fear on hit from nightmare rune. 10% condition duration can be good but we already have 40% coming from food !
Since you cant use 2x foods you only can use foods + Maintenance Oils or Potions or Sharpening Stones or Tuning Crystals . It seems to me that tuning crystals are the best for that build. I made some maths and those cristal gives you a little more than 100 Cond damages( Dont forget we got some vitality coming from carrion stuff).
Buffed with food, we have 1080 cond damages. BUT dont forget Sigil of corruption wich gives you 250 cond damages when full stacked !!! So we are far from the 894, we have roughly more than 1300 cond damages when full buffed .
To conclude on portal and veil. Those cd are horrible : 90 secondes. Feedback and Null are only 45sec and the Aoe zones are way bigger = More ennemy tagged.
Lani
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Hmmm … ever think of trying Carrion/Rampager, instead? Still getting decent hp, but more pre/pow.
At first I went full kitten and tried Rampager/Berseker : You loose to much cond damage for my tasting. And Confusion does not crit so getting a lot of crit chance is not the real big deal of that build :/. And those 2 K life from carrion are a blessing.
Carrion/Rampager is another possibility but i think you already have enough cond damage to tag whole ennemy zerg. But it’s nearly as good. I still pref berz because of +crit damage. It helps a lot tagging lonely downed ennemies with gs #1
I ll try a mix of different Jewellry : Rampager + Bers. Maybe going 1:4 or 2:3 is better than full Berz.
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Definitely is.
Not many things better in a 20 v 20 than popping a Feedback every 10 seconds.
I tried it many times and i think it’s too situational.
- You need a downed ally. No downed ally = Waste of point.
- He really needs to be in a good position or your feedback ll be useless.
- Deceptive evasion is so OP
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20 Insp because of Warden’s Feedback and Medic’s Feedback.
Definitely dont worth losing 200prec/20% crit damage and Deceptive Evasion for this as we dont play with focus here.
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“30 = V+XIII+IX (keys of the build, dont touch).”
Think you mean 30 = V+VIII+IX (keys of the build, dont touch).
Thx didnt see it
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Hey everyone. Im Lani Ster, coming from WoW Arena/Rbg with some mate of me who have been lured in this game.
Im willing to share a very nice build for WvW. I’ve spent tons of hours/gold trying to find THE all around WvW build. I tried everything from berz shatter to tanky glamour build and have all armor sets of the game now. I found that Pure builds are either good in small fights OR in zergs. But rarely in both.
So i tried to find a nice build that can melt zerg with insane confusion bombing and be competitive enough small group fights/roaming. All of this with GS kitten look( Playing with GS Is one of the mandatory objective of that build). And i think this one can matches those objectives.
Thanks to anyone who help improving it.
What you can do with this build:
- Fight in big 30+ Zerg and tagging lot of ennemies while having a decent survavibity.(Bags everywhere)
- Fight in Small group scale.
- Tag ennemies/dolyak real fast with GS#1 for bags/karma.Scepter #1 and Staff #1 are soooooooooo kittening slow.
- Have fun in any case. Log in WvW and whaterver you do, you ll do good.
- Nice looking with greatsword help to not beeing bored. Looks like a War, make them QQ like a thief.
What you cant do with this build :
- One shooting people. Go for classic zerker s+p or Scepter/staff rabid confusion build and press scepter #3 . Or level a thief.
- 1v1
- PVE
CAUTION :
IT’s NOT a leveling build. You ll need the last traits of the game.
That build is very GEAR+FOOD dependent. If you dont have the right gear, you ll be as useless as an kitten right here. DO NO TRY IT if you dont have the gear required or dont want to play with Foods.
TRAITS :
20 = I + VIII (key of the build, dont touch)
20= II + X(for survavibility/Clone generation for shatter)
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30 = V+VIII+IX (keys of the build, dont touch).
GEAR :
Simply go full Carion armor and full Berseker Jewlery.
Runes : 5X Superior Runes of Nightmares + Coral Orb
Note : Thanks a lot for kylia for showing us that Nighmares is better than Undead for that build. His maths : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkXSlFKEkur9dDMtQ3NqUldMMWZiM0lRSHNSc05DckE&usp=sharing
If you dont PvE go for Undead.
Weapon : Zerker GreatSword (Superior Sigil of Fire Help a lot tagging with GS #1) /// Staff (Superior sigil of Corruption to boost cond damages)
You ll have something like this without buff :
Power(2015)
Prec(1589) 35%crit chance and 61% Crit bonus
Vita(1155) 17472 Life
Cond Damages(908 Unbuffed)(1300+ With Sigil Stacked and Crystal+Food)
FOOD
Rare Veggies PIZZA (+40% Condition duration lol)( Get the 36% pizza if poor)
Master Tuning Crystals
Utility Skills : Nullfield and Feeback are mandatory because of short cd’s.
Veil is also a very good glamour opener against running Zerg.
Edit : French client says Veil is a “Symbol” skill not glamour. But thx to feedback veil is really a glamour skill.
How it works.
Basically it’s kitten mix of Berseker shater build and Glamour Confusion Bomber.
The key of the build is a combo of traits from classic glamour builds :
Domination : Confusing enchant(VIII) Glamours skill cause confusion to foes who enter/exit target aera.
Inspiration : Dazzling Glamours (XIII) Glamours skill blind foe at target location
Blinding befuddlement (IX) Cause confusion when you blind a Foe
So as soon as you see ennemy Zerg/Small Group, throw Feedback/Nullfield/Veil and Chaos storm in front of them. Foes in the target zones ll have 3 stack of confusion+blind and ll get 3 more stack when quitting them. 6 stacks of confusion hits for 1800 with this gear . Bump you ennemies with GS#5 back in the glam field to get another 6X stacks !!!!!!Up to 12 confusion Stacks your screen ll be spammed with tons of number.
Wait ennemies to hit you and cast chaos armor then switch to GS when the Zerg spreads.
Then just Izerker(Gs #4), Miror Blade (GS #2)(while precasting Mind Stab). As soon as the clone popped from miror Blade : INSTANT Mind Wrack+ Mind stab you’ve precasted. It really melt people.
GS ll also tag downed ennemy that a far away with GS #1.
Some tips/good Sense
When you cast chaos storm on you (or any glam skill) and you need some defense, simply use Staff #2 in chaos tempest to make your own combo = Free chaos armor.
Elite Skill is a question of situation. Manual Switch them.
When Porting your team inside ennemy zerg for bombing, foes ll get confusion stack when they walk on your portal.
Enjoy your bags.
LANI
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Dat Thread.
Serious l2p issue here
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InB4 RG 100K average
22k as Pug Mesmer(only)
500h WvW / Rest on legendary,leveling, Tpvp on other account
Plz say how many hours/class so we ll have some hint on best tagging class in WvW.
FOR SCIENCE
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Jay Wislon Lolbye
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Don’t know… Piken have been beaten pretty badly by JS last week, JS seem to be kinda evenly matched with SFR…
We’ll need to see next week who comes out on top.When JS beat Piken last time it’s because many guild wait the end of free switch for inc on Piken, so we can manage to take a great advance in point until RG, Nug, GF .. inc on Piken.
But clash of titans for SFR vs Piken .. lol … JS will surely pass a bad week (
), but SFR is clearly overestimate.. Piken is far more above JS and SFR in the prime time i think. Maybe not for scoring, SFR will make good stuff, but who care about what scoring represent.. ( except VS ofc ! )
Maybe you JS guys can go in T1 with vizunah and elona?
So T2 will be piken/sfr/deso.
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It ll be a very nice week for PvP guilds.
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Jesus.
This is bad.
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Would be great to hear Habib a bit.
Game feels meh without communication on those new issues.
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Inb4 you can lvl up your prestige or realm rank with honnor badges+karma.
Yeah, I’m gambling that these vendors are permanent and holding my karma until Feb is done and dusted.
Well you are right , this an obvious karma sink before we get Realm/Prestige Rank…….
ITS A TRAP ! ! !
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Inb4 you can lvl up your prestige or realm rank with honnor badges+karma.
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Nice Vids. Ty for sharing
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Seriously, this thread @ every patch
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Best Server to Move on.
+ They have tons of very good players. Some of them really melt small group on their own and have a very huge pvp experience in many games. If you like cross-gaming this server is for you.
+ Lots of Twitch Streamer.
+ No Queue. At all.
+ English Speaking.
+ Still T1 even if they have no night coverage (anymore)
+ Some of best Pug commander.
+ You ll face Vizunah Zerg. They are so many. So many. Biggest Zerg Europe 24h/24. But their Zerg is not that good in Open field. So you can farm them like you are RG. Anytime. I feel i am RG sometimes, you know playing with dubstep and moving through ennemy zerg and kitten. i dont even grab bags men. Cuz Too many. Feels good men.
GO SFR !
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I cant believe SFR is still in T1 this week with so few players and 0 night coverage after PRX left.
Best exemple of quality>quantity.
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Kudos to SFR. Very good players/Guilds/Commanders there. No Queue, T1 and English language.
Im sure plenty of guilds ll transfer there before 28.
But shhhhhh xD
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