Guild Wars 2

Nope. They were always elites.

Ugh. Respawn times? I shudder at the thought. No thanks.

To appease one vocal community? You’re assuming they only put this in there because someone asked them too? You do realize what a negative connotation that is, correct? If you read the Dev post on Sylvari sexuality, they feel love for those who inspire them – love is far deeper than it is for humans. Think if the person you found to be most vital to your inspiration, the person who keeps moving you forward was about to die. How would you feel? And for Caithe and Faolin, Caithe does avoid the topic for a good amount of the time. So, again, I hardly see anything forced upon the player here.

Well, as for taming, anything that turns it hostile is an instant no from me. I don’t trust other people to let me tame my pet in peace. I find taming in this game to be more like treasure hunting almost. In games like WoW, the way they have taming makes sense. You can literally tame nearly any mob as long as it uses a certain creature’s model. In this game? It’s not enough that you find the kind of pet you’re looking for, but you also need to find a specific version – which might not even be in the same map you are. By the time you find it, I would almost be insulted to have to do anything extra to get it. xD

And…yes. Pets need to grow. And maybe name evolution like the last game?

Schixeno.8596:

Mox.2861:

And why is it I’ve never seen gear with ‘Pet Attribute Bonus’ on it, all other trait tree bonuses are represented.
Also, what is it about airline food???

That’s a great idea actually, it’d be great if they had gear targeted towards pet-orientated rangers.

No gear in game gives bonuses to class mechanic traits. From what I’ve read, anyways. Just trait into BM…that’s what I did. And my pet’s prettykittengood.

Lyuben.2613:

riku.2091:

Lyuben.2613:

riku.2091:

Lyuben.2613:

I can tell you are low level, because exactly what you described as “you are alliance/horde” happens at around level 20+ and gets worse, and worse.

…What? That never happens in this game.

Of course it does.

After you join an order it becomes generic “you there, commander/magister/title, help me, the leader defeat this boss”

Its very obvious. Trahearne is your generic Thrall/Varian Wrynn and you are the generic mary sue who does no wrong and helps everyone.

It… it gets pretty painful.

Well…I really don’t have a problem with that, personally. I don’t know why so many other people do. I find it still to be fun. Geez, reading these forums at a glance makes it look like everyone hates this game.

You are not allowed to criticize a game, or it is hate?

No offense, but that is a pretty warped perspective. You are allowed to both criticize and like something, the two are not incompatible.

The story is sadly, pretty generic and bad as it moves along. Doesn’t mean its a bad game, just a bad story.

I’m just saying there is a lot more “You screwed up” than “I really like this game” on the surface of these posts. If you take the time to read, then yes, you can see it’s just criticism, but if your just glancing through, not paying attention to all the details, it comes off as no one likes it.

It was just an observation, is all.

It’s not that the sword itself is causing the problems – it’s just the sword has a bad history, but she just keeps giving it to people. :P

The Pale tree has got be the biggest Troll in GW history. Why? Caladbolg. That legendary sword? Let’s see what happened to everyone who got it:

Riannoc: Betrayed, stolen from, killed.
Waine: Terrible hallucinations/defeat by the player in final match
Player: The final Sylvari 20-30 quest. ’Nuff said.
Trahearne: Most hated character of GW2. Maybe she agrees with all those Trahearne nay-sayers?

My main: Sylvari were different.
My two female alts: Jennifer Hale.

Windwalker.2047:

We need an option to leave him to die somewhere-have him sacrifice himself instead of the actually interesting people

Or…you know. Give the Devs some actual feedback on improving him. But where’s the fun in not destroying someone else’s work to entertain you?

Apparently the poster has never encountered a young teenager after he gets his first girlfriend.

The sylvari are an open, honest, expressive race. Mostly (Oh, Caithe, we love you!). Nothing’s really forced on you, in context. If the start of the Green Knight had a heterosexual couple, I bet you would have just written it off as sappy, rather than “forced on you”.

Lyuben.2613:

riku.2091:

Lyuben.2613:

I can tell you are low level, because exactly what you described as “you are alliance/horde” happens at around level 20+ and gets worse, and worse.

…What? That never happens in this game.

Of course it does.

After you join an order it becomes generic “you there, commander/magister/title, help me, the leader defeat this boss”

Its very obvious. Trahearne is your generic Thrall/Varian Wrynn and you are the generic mary sue who does no wrong and helps everyone.

It… it gets pretty painful.

Well…I really don’t have a problem with that, personally. I don’t know why so many other people do. I find it still to be fun. Geez, reading these forums at a glance makes it look like everyone hates this game.

Lyuben.2613:

I can tell you are low level, because exactly what you described as “you are alliance/horde” happens at around level 20+ and gets worse, and worse.

…What? That never happens in this game. The first half, anyways.

Anyone who has seen my posts probably know what the tone is gonna be on this one.
Also, anyone who mistakes this as supporting “sub-par fanboyism” is terribly wrong. I’m allowed to have an opinion that doesn’t match up with the “masses”.

Trahearne. Some people just plain don’t like him. I get it for non-sylvari. He just pops up, and then, BAM. Leader. Others say he’s a Mary Sue. But the biggest problem people have is that he’s “stealing the show, and taking the focus off of you,” and that it becomes “his personal story”.

…How? At what point did the game force you to play the later level content as Trahearne? Oh, it doesn’t? Then how does he steal the show? He doesn’t. Not in the sense that some people are arguing.

The story is very much still your personal journey through the main story. I think many are taking it literally as “my character is awesome and will crush every dragon single-handedly as far as the story is concerned!” Well, as I’ve seen elsewhere, doesn’t that make your character the one-dimensional goody-goody hero that we’ve hated Trahearne for being? And to those of you who argue the character isn’t acting the way you want in the story, or asking why we’re all funneled into the same story obviously haven’t taken the time to stop and think. Could you imagine recording the dialogue for every possible choice/emotion you want your character to make? And why should they now that we’ve sufficiently kittened them out on the quality of the voice-acting? And telling them to take out all the voice cut scenes and just give us empty dialogue? One step forward, two steps back. And as for all being funneled into the main story line, the Devs have repeatedly stated that these elder dragons are stronger than the forces of nature. So no one person, race, or Order can stop them. So you all join up. And, guess what? No favoritism. So you can’t pick one group’s specific approach when you’re all trying to work together. You being Trahearne’s second in command? You can’t have over 2 million leaders of the pact. As it was pointed out, that also mean 2 million 2nd hands also doesn’t make sense – I counter that with “it’s the compromise”.

In short, GW2 is telling us a story. Certain aspects need to be put in place or dropped to keep a cohesive story that still can sensibly place the players within it. I’ve seen someone say this game was falling into WoW territory – I could not disagree more. Where WoW will just blatantly ignore or erase player presence in the official Lore, it looks like GW2 is trying to at least give us plausible mention.

SunRain.8972:

i honestly even though Trahearne is one of those Charecters that are hard to relate to because he almost doesn’t have a background to himself
all is known about him he bares a slight grudge against Asuras for experamenting on his race, his slightly a book worm for studying and tries to be very nuetral.
(he repersent Switzerland in the game!)
i think they needed to round him up abit like they done with to afew other charecter the only problem i have with him he barely has personality to himself.

He is one of the first born, has a grudge against the Asura, is an expert on Orr, and his Wyld Hunt, which is pretty much his reason for being alive, is to restore Orr to its prior non-zombified glory. He’s only 25 and spent most of his time alone.

Devildoc.6721:

I don’t play fantasy RPG’s to be a sidekick. I hated it in Oblivion, and I hate it here. I accept rising through the ranks early on, but I was expecting my personal story to be about me, not some Mary Sue terrible character. I wasnt expecting all the stories to merge together into one homogenous genericfest that they end up being from claw island on. There were a few individual quests that were still decent the less they had to do with Trahearne the better. The relationship between you and Trahearne feels forced as well.

Dinky it feels genuine, Rytlock it feels genuine, Tybalt it feels genuine. I mean, Dinky grew up in the fahrar with you, and he’s a member of your warband, it makes sense. Rytlock is higher ranked in Charr military hierarchy than you regardless of your legion, he can take over and have you report to him with your legion’s Tribune giving him permission for a mission. Tybalt is an assigned contact for you for the order of whispers, he is then assigned as your partner, again, orders are orders, it makes sense, and you kind of become friends with him along the way, and he’s a well enough written character that you can just go with it, he’s not a Mary Sue, he’s an inexperienced agent when it comes to field work and he just makes it up as he goes along, fumbling along the way.

… Then you have Trahearne and at first it’s okay, “Hi I’m Tybalt’s friend, I’m going to help out on this mission, I agree there’s danger coming from Orr and I’ll help you out” .. okay.. that’s great.

Then he becomes the central figure in the story. you’re revealed prophetic stuff that makes him the all mighty Mary Sue “chosen one” hero, who was destined before he was even born to save the world. Please.

I’m not a fan of a destined “chosen one” type hero.

He’s an expert on Orr, but is not a military leader. I’m a Centurion in the Charr High Legions, I’m in the Ash Legion (Charr Intelligence), and a member of the Order of Whispers, I should be well connected to lead a campaign, Trahearne can be my advisor on Orr. What is wrong with one of the order’s and races taking some precedence in a personal story? It would make the player feel more central to their personal story with their choices mattering, and it would make each playthrough with different races and different choices feel different. Homogenizing them and making Trahearne central strips away all semblence of “personal” from the “personal story”.

I think you missed the point on that one. His point is that while, yes, this section of the story was very Trahearne-centric, it is still very much YOUR journey through his story. Just because this is your journey doesn’t mean everyone has to be licking your boots. And he wasn’t the “Chosen One” if you’re referring to his Wyld Hunt. It’s his purpose for living – his goal. And yes, that would make Lore easy – there were over 2 million leaders of the Pact that took down the dragon. Yeah. THAT makes sense. You know what’s easier? What’ll give us a definite figurehead while keeping the player’s contribution in tact? We join in his army against the dragon. Lorewise, we were still there – but this gives us one definite hero to connect to the event.

And he’s not exactly coming out of left field. Sylvari players learn about him rather early on. Everyone else really doesn’t need to know about him until later.

All racials are pale imitations. Though grasping vines is pretty good for a racial.

EndlessDreamer.6780:

There is actually one dynamic event in which a Norn woman and her ‘mate’ as she calls him, are having a bit of a tiff. Well, less of a tiff and more of a he’s become a dragon worshiping freak and he says that she has to come with him to be with him. She tells him that he’s not the man he once was and to buzz off.

So they aren’t married, they’re mated and it doesn’t seem to have any strict force keeping it together other than force of will and fists.

Well, maybe it’s just that particular couple isn’t married.

Frostfang.5109:

I would love to be able to tame some beasts too… Like The OWL GRIFFON (griffons in general) and the BATS… DOLPHINS would be great to have tamable too. Perhaps there coule be an ELITE SKILL to be able to tame “exotic” or “beast” kind of animals to put a bit more of effort in it…

Woah there. You’re dipping into WoW territory. Double dippers are terrible people!

Illushia.3721:

I actually really like Trahearne, but I am apparently in the minority and that’s fine.

Same here! I dunno why I like him. I just do.

I’m still just not getting all the hate. By the logic I possess, everything here that people have an issue with does make sense in one way or another.

Bad character/personality: Yeah, uhm…I don’t really see this. What’s so wrong with him? I actually like him.

Takes credit for your work: Well…yeah. Generally what leaders/historians do. This just seems like people griping that the world isn’t grovelling at their feet. A lot of people do great things that get attributed to their “betters”. It’s just a fact of real life that they put here.

Came outta nowhere and feels weak: Well, for Sylvari, he doesn’t. For everyone else? he’s an expert on Orr. You know. The place we’re fighting. He’s also a necromancer. So very knowledgeable against the undead. The creatures we’re fighting. And every group owes him? Yeah, stretch, but being an expert on the main enemy the three orders are fighting at the moment, as well as being one of the first Sylvari to exist kinda does give him room to make this make some sense.

Doesn’t do anything: …I got nothing for this one. It’s really a shame he doesn’t. Cause he is pretty powerful. In the OoW option for dealing with Mazdak, Trahearne could usually take Mazdak on his own for a good minute or two, even with Caithe and Cai taken out.

Cliff.2803:

riku.2091:

Well, a lot of this probably makes more sense to Sylvari players. He’s in our story pretty much from the start, and he’s a very nice, helpful guy. I would very much dislike it if they killed him off just because a few loud players didn’t like the limelight being taken off of them. :P We’re the heroes, yes, but to keep a cohesive story, you need to give certain NPC characters big accomplishments. How this game differs from WoW is that, even if it’s just a small mention here or there, you are mentioned as being a part of the story. When I played WoW, the lore almost completely ignores the existence of the players (again, to my memory). And isn’t this how credit is given in the real world where battles are concerned, anyways?

And, uhm…yeah. Pale Tree giving him the sword? Trust me. Any sylvari player will tell you: better him than you.

I’m not saying NPCs can’t have their own accomplishments, but when their accomplishments outshine your own (or they get credit for your accomplishments), it makes the story less enjoyable. I have heard that his appearance in Claw Island is a bit less jarring for Sylvari players, but it still doesn’t make it any less forced. The fact that all three Orders just so happen to owe him, or have great respect for him, is what I’m referring to when I say it’s forced. It isn’t particularly believable that a 25 year old sylvari scholar has such deep connections with every major player in the story, and it really just serves as a weak thread to tie each Order’s story into the post-Claw Island Trahearne-a-thon.

I mean, surely you can understand my frustration with taking down the boss in the ruins while Trahearne stands motionless the entire fight, only to be greeted with a cutscene after in which every character in the mission does nothing but exclaim some variation of “Wow, Trahearne did it! Incredible!” Meanwhile, your character doesn’t even appear in the cutscene.

I really have no interest in playing the Robin to some NPC’s Batman. Especially an NPC as uninteresting and lacking in personality as Trahearne. Frankly, I’m pretty surprised ArenaNet handled it like this after the backlash over Kormir.

Everyone says he has no personality. I have no idea what any of you are talking about. And, again, I feel that, yes, perhaps by this point of the game the term “personal story” is…kind of an artifact term that doesn’t really apply at this point, but think about it like this: do you elevate every member of your army personally to hero status after the fight? Your character wasn’t the only person involved. By the end, it’s more of a world story. You’re more of a very qualified soldier by this point than “that amazing hero”. A fact I have no qualms with.

And…yeah, players, sorry we can’t elevate all of you to god status. :P

Cliff.2803:

Just want to throw my feedback in, and I hope ArenaNet can use it for future personal stories in expansions or whatnot.

The personal story takes a drastic turn for the worse after Claw Island, almost entirely due to Trahearne. I’d like to echo the sentiments that many people have made already, but Trahearne becomes the main character. It’s no longer “my story.” It’s Trahearne’s. He gets credit for the player’s accomplishments, the NPCs voice their respect for him nonstop while you’re lucky if your character even gets a mention, and the closest thing to genuine recognition you get at the end is an “oh yeah, and the commander killed Zhaitan” after they finish gushing over how Trahearne just saved Tyria. His injection into the story at Claw Island was incredibly forced, and the game tries to make you like him by having all the other characters like him. But you’re given no actual reason to take a personal liking to him.

And that conversation with the Pale Tree? Her granting him a legendary sword while you stand there twiddling your thumbs? It doesn’t make you feel very much like a hero. I enjoyed the beginning of the personal story, because my character actually felt like the center of it. As soon as Trahearne shows up though, that all goes out the window.

I hope ArenaNet gets a lot of feedback regarding the handling of the post-Claw Island story. From what I can tell, it seems like the majority of players are of a similar opinion (or at least the most vocal ones). I’m looking forward to future personal story content, but what do you say we start it with Trahearne getting killed off, huh? I’d kinda like to be the hero again.

Well, a lot of this probably makes more sense to Sylvari players. He’s in our story pretty much from the start, and he’s a very nice, helpful guy. I would very much dislike it if they killed him off just because a few loud players didn’t like the limelight being taken off of them. :P We’re the heroes, yes, but to keep a cohesive story, you need to give certain NPC characters big accomplishments. How this game differs from WoW is that, even if it’s just a small mention here or there, you are mentioned as being a part of the story. When I played WoW, the lore almost completely ignores the existence of the players (again, to my memory). And isn’t this how credit is given in the real world where battles are concerned, anyways?

And, uhm…yeah. Pale Tree giving him the sword? Trust me. Any sylvari player will tell you: better him than you.

I had issues, mostly because the first time I went in I had no clue I’d loose my pet, and didn’t realize he was gone until I was already fighting. All my utilities were pet-based. My secret to winning? Traps as AoE aid against risen, and sharpen blade to apply bleed. My biggest problems were: lack of pet and lack of condition damage.

To be fair about all of those who think Trahearne’s dialogue makes him sound dead…he IS a necromancer, so…

And I’m gonna say I disagree that the personal story line is flat. I find it to be very nice and interesting. At least it’s not WoW where no matter what or how much you do, your contribution is immediately attributed solely to one or a few NPCs.

I dunno. I actually rather like the personal story lines …except for humans. Human noble, at least. It just seems so…blah. I’m not very engaged in it. My character is just so uppity all the time – even my Sylvari had his serious moments where he actually sounded serious.

As for the “pure arrogance and narcissism”, I don’t really see it like that. I think that’s just the characters having fun. I know I say stuff like that all the time and I don’t mean it.

I must have! Hm.

Actually, yeah, could someone do a list of armor given by Karma vendors? I’ve only seen cloth sets. Where are the leather sets!?

Graevarg.4871:

The OP has a valid point that is missed by a lot of the responders. The game is about fun, and just because some love pets, feel they are great, etc., certainly is no reason to make another player follow suit. Nobody else would be impacted by the decision of a player to stow his/her own pet, any more than they are if the pet is put on passive and ignored for the rest of the game. I love my pets and use them heavily, but I support wholeheartedly that players should have the freedom to choose the mode of play they enjoy. That is the basis of good game design and frankly an EASY way for Anet to give some value to a segment of the customer base that would like this choice.

Well, personally, I don’t have a problem with perma stow. But as I pointed out earlier, they should not be “rewarded” with a buff or given a new mechanic to compensate. If the way they want to play includes not using all the tools afforded to them, fine, they don’t have to use them all, but they shouldn’t complain if someone who does use all their tools correctly performs better than they do.

Gonna have to disagree with Branded and Icebroods on a lore level.

But I would love a Parrot/Macaw. Give it daze or something. :P

While I don’t believe the ranger should be without pet in the game (I feel ANet’s time would be better spent fixing the pet than tacking on a workaround), I do see how pets can get in the way of certain things. So as far as a permanent stow, I really don’t have that much of a problem with it. However, I believe that no compensation should be given for stowing your pet. You’re choosing to disable your class mechanic. You shouldn’t be rewarded for turning it off. That’s an insult to those of us who are taking the time to really work with our pets.

nistone.5897:

I use short bow, long bow, and bear for a pet. As for skills, it’s personal preference but I like Signet of the Hunt and then Rampage as One for the elite. They give a nice speed boost which makes exploring quicker.

I’m using Shortbow, Signets of the Wild and Stone, Sic’em, traited 6/0/1/0/10, Fern Hound as the main pet. Hasn’t lead me in the wrong direction.

Well, I never found Jora to be particularly “Nornish” by your definition in game. It also depends on your personal story a bit, too. I know that the “lost in a fight” story has you pretty boakittenl. But I do get what you’re saying. They could use a little more Norn-sounding stuff.

Norn marriages consist of two Norn being worthy of each other due to having preformed deeds that make them deserving of their partner. So, pretty much, they’re only married BECAUSE they consider each other “ballsy”.

Sortis.3485:

There have been a multitude of game developers that have said they want people to let them know what a class or dungeon or the game as a whole is missing, it gives them ideas and makes them think. Why would you want to discourage people from wanting to make their class better? Should we all put our hands in our pockets and live in mediocrity? No, i’m sorry i’m not happy with mediocrity, if you are, cool. I’m always looking to the future and i’m not going to stop because someone else isn’t lol simple as that.

The point of this, other than the last one, wasn’t “I DISAGREE NOW EVERYONE SHUT UP!!!”, it’s just me seeing if there are people who agree with my thoughts. You know. Like the people who posted these things in the first place. I’m not sticking my hands in my pockets, and the fact that you’re implying I do is slightly offensive.

As for pets, I know that as of right now, my pet is able to hold it’s own for a little while against mobs of its level or 1 level higher. So, maybe Ruien is expecting pets to be something they’re not? I’m not at the end game, so I wouldn’t know, and can’t factor that into my opinion. Doesn’t make it any less valid.

Ever since the betas started, I’ve noticed a few ranger complaints that everyone keeps repeating, and I have an opinion on it that differs (or I don’t have which I don’t have one, I just think it’s a weird complaint/question) from the “masses”. I’m curious as to whether or not I’m the only one who feels this way. Cause Sometimes I feel like I’m just taking whatever ANet gives me without questioning it.

I do not mean to insult anybody here.

1. Quivers. This is one I really don’t have an opinion on, but I do feel slightly…annoyed that so many people are asking for one. It just seems really anal.

2. Clothing. So many people complain about the look of adventurer armor. I rather like it, personally. And why do people keep calling it “ranger armor”? It’s Medium Armor. Adventurer Armor. It’s shared with two other classes.

3. Rifles/Greatswords. So many people are “Why don’t we get rifles!? We’re rangers!” I have never once seen a ranger using a rifle. I’ve seen a hunter in WoW use a rifle. But never a Ranger. And our thing is not really technology. As for the greatsword, I’m going to have to say the implied dexterity of Rangers allow them to use such a weapon. But I’m not sure. I just know I really don’t have a problem with it.

4. Last, but definitely not least. This problem has been the biggest, because I saved it for last because I’m going to break my no insult rule. Pets. To save a whole long rant, I’ll just say: “You can’t turn them off, they are the defining point of our class. Please stop asking for a permanent stow in exchange for buffs/a new mechanic. If you don’t want to use them, just don’t use them, don’t Spec BM, and just let them die. Better yet, play another class that more suits your needs.” Seriously. When played right, pets give access to the most versatile mechanic of the game. Stop asking for it to be scrapped just because you cannot understand it or use it the right way. I’m not saying it’s 100% perfect, but I’ve had very few problems. And very few pet deaths.

Yes. Well, at least you aren’t being forced to use Caladbolg. Which is what the OoW questline has you using. Now THAT makes things unneededly tough. I don’t know if the Vigil has you doing the same – I’m guessing it does.

manwhat.1745:

You won’t find a ranger spec that’s too amazing at healing, but you can definitely take Healing Spring as your heal skill, and use it as a combo field to apply regen to allies. You can take Search and Rescue as a utility skill to heal downed allies. Lastly, you can take Spirit of Renewal as your elite skill to heal, remove conditions and res allies.

I suppose your pet could also act as healer too. I know some pets have heal skills, some Moas apply protection, and the Brown Bear removes conditions in an AoE.

Use +healing weapons, switch between Fern Hound (Regen buff) and a Blue Moa (Regen health and Protection), take healing spring for AOE regen, and maybe some of the spirits for support. In theory, anyways. Oh, and Spirit of Nature Elite skill.

…You know, I doubt people who usually take the time to revive any downed player marked on their map will instantly just say “Screw the revives, I have a mach-5 dolyak!”. I really don’t get the severe hatred towards mounts.

And before it is asked, yes, I played WoW. After I’d already had GW1 for years. I dropped WoW after three months. I picked right back up on GW1.

…I’m personally perfectly fine playing the game without ever being told I’m better than someone else or someone else is better than me. Really. I am. I read through…I don’t know, 75% of the first page and…the argument just seems a little childish. Or what it turned into, anyways.