Guild Wars 2

Genev.2450:

6 am for the Russians is still 6 am for the Russians – hardly primetime

What… ? Do you understand that they have their own prime-time right? Since prime-time means: the main time in which, YOU can play.

EDIT: So basically what people is trying to say is that they invited people off THEIR prime-time (the Russian prime-time). I just edited this bit to try make things clear for reading comprehension issues people seem to be having.

lin.2814:

BT get Nr.1 with help of external guilds that play in eu prime time.
Suppenkasper if u have outmanned buff in eu prime time u can easy invite and join other guilds.
But if u want invite them on off peak hours u dont have a chance becouse all want play in eu praim time. U must organise off peak hours uself.

BT in tier3 had outmanned buff in eu prime time.

BT’s main original guilds and WvW focused players PLAY at morning/night (off-prime time in general). And then you invited people in off-times for you guys (which happens to be EU prime time). No other server can do that unless they have a 2nd Xaoc’s, or some other bunch of non-working/studying/kids people to bash into doors for hours when there is not many people online.

We cannot “organize” that on our own simple because Life/Duty > WvW, and we don’t have many oceanic/american players, and people can’t afford to lose sleep or work just to login and not have fun bashing into doors.

Agree @ speed buff !

Still completely disappointed with rangers so far. And i can’t be asked to level something else just because devs fail to see the real issues, straight up their priorities and actual fix stuff.

Haven’t really logged in last 2 weeks, except occasionally to play my mesmer in tPvP..

Nothing but respect to FSP & Riverside!

May we end this match up having fun and taking it easy!

I would go ahead and say that it would be nice to fight Arborstone again, in my eyes they’re #1 EU. I like Elona too, but i don’t think they’re good opponents, but they sure have a lot of willing people.

Vizunah has some decent guilds too and would probably be an enjoyable fight, but the reason they’re in T1 so long is the amount of coverage they can bring up plus a lot of willing people to do WvW staying late up all night and so on.

Anyway, i don’t even care much about WvW, simple AoE spam while abusing culling and/or mesmers portal. Might be even worse then Warhammer, least there a small group could handle a big one due good usage of moral dumps, and i mean literally 6 people against 12-18. I believe Soul Reapers (currently in Arborstone) remember a fight we had north east of Reikland couple months back where we had 6 (Pullbot on slayer, Iffigenie on WL, Shasla on WP, i was on my Funkydelic WP too, and then Woatan – or Miamotoo – and someone else knighting it up i believe) where wiped their whole 2 groups using good morals drops / drains. Fight lasted around 10-15 minutes with us nearly wiping couple times too. And Soul Reapers are a decent bunch. To bad warhammer didn’t had more of those :-(

Rednik.3809:

saVdoom.2067:

And do please tell me, oh mighty. How do you do that when there is barely no Russians/Americans/Oceanic people in your server?

If you could make people to wake up at 6am Moscow time, congratulations although they should probably be waking up for work/study but if they can spare the free time, then good for them. But in our case we can’t. If you check FUBAR website all major guilds have work times/shifts so its just not possible – therefore people seek “external” help…

We are specifically looking for these people in our ranks. Before, we are also actively seeking help to cover the morning and night, but in the end we realized that to find something like this is very difficult and its easier to organize ourselves, and allow guilds who came from other servers comfortably fight for us at EU primetime.

Still hasn’t answered me how we’re supposed to breed russians/oceanic/americans people out of thin air. And the fact that you’re “inviting” people is pretty much the same as inviting “outsiders”, people’s just trying to reach out already settled guilds with main voice channels and organization. Doesn’t mean i agree with that. We should stick with T2/T3, much better fights over all, and everything isn’t completely decided off-peak times EU.

You organized yourself to play at morning/night because you can play at morning. That’s not the case with us @ morning. At night we’ve some people but not that much, nor any really organized crew afaik. Haven’t seen our american Apollo guild online in a while.

Rednik.3809:

saVdoom.2067:

Reach external help? Like guilds such as CIR, Unnamed, RG, GF, Ruin, shall i go on just to mention a few from Blacktide?

And yes, they are your (Xaoc’s) off-time people, since your time zone is different from theirs…

When we were in the middle of the ladder, and needed help, we begin to organize better time cover and create morningshift out of native BT resources. All guilds named by you transfer AFTER that, and after we are defeat they servers on battlefield, proving that our server is worthy to fight for it. Our first morning team wake up on CTA every day near 6:00 Moscow time, then come another team, another and another, who takes, upgrades and defends objectives and keep them for guilds playing in EU primetime. So, what’s wrong in organize your own server forces for critical timezones instead of summon some external PvD guys who does not feel any obligations to your server community and can leave you at any moment?
P.S. Lots of BT guilds (like Nugos, GF, DZ and more) are russians too and play in EU primetime. We just separate our CTA timers for better coverage, because no one can keep people on the battlefield all day.

And do please tell me, oh mighty. How do you do that when there is barely no Russians/Americans/Oceanic people in your server?

If you could make people to wake up at 6am Moscow time, congratulations although they should probably be waking up for work/study but if they can spare the free time, then good for them. But in our case we can’t. If you check FUBAR website all major guilds have work times/shifts so its just not possible – therefore people seek “external” help…

Genev.2450:

Sup with the Blacktide bashing? All what happened there is that Xaoc was smart enough to look for guilds with a certain mindset to come to their server, and it worked.
As you freely admit that even the official community on your server is looking for certain people, you can’t really say anything about it.

They’re a few hours ahead and wake up in the morning to play, morning is still not considered primetime last I’ve heard

Uh, i was just pointing out how ridiculous his post was, lets see:

Rednik.3809

Dont seek external help to cover nightshift, rise your own night/morning team instead

How is it possible to “rise” our own night/morning crew? When we simple don’t have people in our server that plays at those time-zones? Make people set their alarm clock at 4-5 am and stop going to work/study? Yeah, that sounds very smart.

Then i just pointed out the obvious hypocrisy of someone from Blacktide saying to not “reach for external help” when 75% of his server’s WvW force is made of transfers, from guilds seeking an already settled off-time coverage to make things easier to gain points and to fight during prime-time with everything upgraded and easily handed to them from the off-time coverage. Those pejoratively known as the “bandwagoners”.

JP’s srs busnz!

Rednik.3809:

So Deso destiny wont teach you anything? Dont seek external help to cover nightshift, rise your own night/morning team instead, it will be alot more stable and reliable.

Reach external help? Like guilds such as CIR, Unnamed, RG, GF, Ruin, shall i go on just to mention a few from Blacktide?

And yes, they are your (Xaoc’s) off-time people, since your time zone is different from theirs…

Kambros.8209:

Aloha!

@saVdoom

Thank you very much for this special kind of… attention… Some of my mates do in fact have a certain sense of humour, so please dont take it too serious, we are just having fun. And we dont want to be disrespectful. (Ok, at this point I have to admit how happy I am that A-Net didnt implement, ahem, “bad behaviour” emotes at all ).

DTK | Die Technokraten are usually fighting on Eternal BG. Its a kind of our living room. We really appreciate guests, but not in our corner, ok?

Don’t worry ! I take everything in games lightly and i actually like it since sometimes i do it myself I actually find its good sport and spice things up a bit !

Cheers,

Wicked.5479:

cant there be a general rule in the JP’s that who doesnt attack, doesnt get attacked…
i’ve been walking behind you for the past 2 minutes, if i wanted to kill you i would’ve by now, but as soon as you have about 3 ppl you start attacking me.
mostly pointing toward hordes of RS players in EB JP today

That is usually the rule i run by. Honestly i don’t really care to stop people from getting it if they’re friendly and don’t attack you.

I’m SFR’s original. But my guild has not taken major acts in WvW so far (i rather do tPvP myself), but i’m usually around solo (mostly during night-time), I’m sure some people saw me around on my blondie ranger Riviére.
Regarding this match up all i can say is that its sad to see FPS in such bad shape.. and not PvP wise but mainly due the fact that a lot of guilds left the server for whatever reasons. I know Champion of the Gods moved there and they’re a good bunch and its unfortunate to see good guilds such as Green Fire leave FPS to a super crowded server such as Blacktide. All in all i’m pretty disappointed with the system Anet put us where coverage > skill regarding points earned, having settled this horrible kind of system is only normal that guilds will leave their original servers packing all in 1-2 or 3 servers with a huge 24h coverage leaving their original servers crippled creating boring matches.

I’m sure SFR has had its good and bad times, we reached T2 while being the only medium populated server at the time (among EU top 12), and then got smashed back into T4, and now we got more people and we’re crawling back in tiers. But the main reason for that is that the core WvW guilds and FUBAR never really left or gave up in WvW always having activity and people fighting, so huge props to them for building SFR since the start.

Personally i hope we do not become a fully 24h packed server. I don’t care if we’ll never achieve T1 because of that.. all i want is to log in and be able to join any battleground and have decent players doing WvW smashing faces and having fun.

@Riverside
Keep being the good opponent you’ve always been, i personally like the Die Teknocraten (or something) guild, because they laugh at people after they kill them, giving some more spirit and fun into WvW, and they’re generally better then average players, still easily killed by me naturally…

@FSP
I hope you guys get your kitten together. Nothing but respect for you guys and its sad to see people leaving their home server for easier rides and so on.

If only Anet made where the scoring would reflect actual PvP (Players versus Player) instead of Players versus empty keeps/towers, people wouldn’t bandwagon so easily and we would have nicer and more balanced matches all around.

Anet, can we see the graphs you showed before regarding queues? And some statistics regarding population and so on?

Would be good to know.

How about you take a look on the rangers forum John. Things look dire there.

Division.9618:

Unspecified.9142:

Oh goody! Our only good utility skills got nerfed!

Well at least all our utility skills are ‘balanced’ now… they all suck equally! Hooray!

No. Survival skills are still useable.

Next patch, QZ now gives 4s swiftness instead of quickness, muddy terrain gives all enemies might, and lightning reflexes now stuns you as you go into a fetal position and cry pathetically while your pet runs around aimlessly in circles.

I swear that i laughed out loud while reading this, honestly.

Parthis.2091:

Scribbles.7493:

Well the good thing is that this may hopefully inspire guilds from other servers to start a project in order to compete with Blacktide, in the same way that project Blacktide was started to compete with Desolation.

Maybe a French or German superpower server?

I dunno, just musing at the moment.

Is that actually a good thing?

The server transfers are killing this. Servers are becoming ghost towns while T1/2 servers suck in more and more players. It’s not healthy, and it’s a problem of escalation.

You need to remember one thing; Desolation didn’t seek out Ruin. Ruin came to desolation. It wasn’t a project, and it wasn’t embraced lovingly by everyone on Deso.

The irony of all this is that the for many WvW was actually more fun in the lower tiers. The fights were smaller, the culling less of an issue, the opportunity for clever strategy was there. T1 WvW is ZvZ, biggest Z wins if the culling works in their favour. The meta game has become “we need russians, not because we want to play with russians, but because they’ll cover the morning shift. Great, we have russians! Now we need americans”.

It’s a mess.

I said this ~2-3 weeks ago to a couple BT people when they were facing Seafarer’s Rest, but i got flamed and called i was just mad because they could morning cap us while we would equally or even better then them most of the times in prime-time.

“Transfers” is the way to go they said, l2have a morning/night shift they said. Well, i guess you got as many transfers you wanted right?

And i wasn’t really talking directly at BT for having mass influx of transfers, but at the system in general that Anet built. Its silly and boring when all boils down to who plays at off-times.

Jaghen.8314:

Nop reasons are not the same. As you say for the others the reason was let’s build a super server because we are tired of being off peak capped.

They are crushing us so that we can go back to off peak cap without opposition.

But the reason why most people chose Blacktide for mass transfers was because Xaoc was already “capping without opposition” during morning, so all you needed was to defend your own. RUIN might just think that they are getting prime-time capped (which is during their off peak time) so they’ll transfer to a server with peak-time coverage

Its really the same ideal, and why WvWvW is so idiotic atm the way it is.

Vayra.3290:

Benjamin.7893:

What RUIN did is indeed very sad, but most guilds on Blacktide have no reason to complain considering they left Far Shiverspeaks for roughly the same reasons.

Most of the guilds from FSP and GH were invited, RUIN was told they were not wanted on the server when they discussed it with the guilds already here.

It doesn’t matter really. Reasons were the same → “lets build a super strong 24h server to prevail against all others because we’re tired of getting night-capped/morning-capped like everybody else”. They don’t need your/any permission to transfer at all.

Blacktide were saying for roughly weeks now that transfering is the way to go and that you had morning coverage (russians) but were missing a “couple” US time-zone coverage… well, i guess your problems are gone now? May you have fun being unchallenged.

What i find funny is that i kept hearing “hey, its how the game is, deal with it! be night-capped or night-cap for somebody else.. or mass bandwagon to a server with coverage” in other words “deal with it!”. I guess Ruin found the easiest way to deal with their problem (having to actual fight enemies) and transfered to the winning server.

vipeout.2485:

saVdoom.2067:

Its not really against the rules for RUIN to transfer to BT, its actually the ultimatum strategy really. They either win.. by joining the winning side. Or they make BT’s “original guilds” (if there is any, except Xaoc?) to boycott WvWvW making BT lose matches and drop in tiers, and then they’re free to transfer somewhere else since they did what they wanted, which is to “beat” BT

Oh come on, there were many. We didn’t get up only by morning capping. Yes it helped us tons, but there were many Polish guilds as well. you might not know but Blacktide was chosen as one of the major Polish realms (Underworld being the second).

Most of them has quit because they didn’t like many things – PvE in WWW areas, loosing everything during the night and so on. I’m quite sure we’re one of the last actively playing WWW on our server. However, only on Eternal, thats why most of you didn’t hear of us because vast majority of reports on these forums are about borderlands and the guilds playing there.

I apologize, its just that i mainly saw Xaoc here on forums back when BT didn’t had influx of a lot of guilds. But i’m sure there were other guilds Was just generalizing.

If only Anet could make the “points” be distributed taking into account more skill and even fights (so PvDoors = barely no points) then we wouldn’t have all the bandwagons going around and skilled groups would be more distributed around servers.

But no… they had to make that population = victory. So well, i guess Blacktide is as full as it gets. Props for the fighting force staying in Desolation and ofcourse Vizuna.

Jaghen.8314:

Anyway, you’ve got to love the RUIN “we are bored, we crushed all the competition” talk while they do their best to avoid having any

But avoiding fight is the meta-game afaik? That’s how top tier servers manage to score that much against others. Because they’ve off prime-time fighters who score more points then their prime-time fighters.

Scribbles.7493:

It’s kind of lame and shows a lack of respect to guilds and a lack of sportsmanship in general.

Meh, whatever. In the end, the Ruin folks are just making fools of themselves.

And this is why, way back again to the topic that “points” for the “ranking” system should take into account how many people were fighting from both servers at the objective/map. So yes, PvDoors would be worth much lesser points, but this would encourage “main” top guilds with a good level of organization to stay in their home servers and fight from there.. since they wouldn’t simple get “nightcapped” seeing all their efforts drown. Then we would probably be seeing a much healthier WvWvW all around.

Instead, the system makes the guilds to get annoyed by seeing all their efforts vanished in WvWvW during off times, making them simple go ahead and look for a server where some other people can cover their off time. Creating stacked servers with 24h coverage AND imbalances.

I was told i had to “l2p” WvWvW and go to a fully packed server. I simple opted to do as few as i can, and focus in tPvP and have fun.

I’m surprised you guys did not see this before. RUIN is actually being/playing very smart… i mean, its the meta-game strategy right? Transfer to a fully 24h coverage server? BT figured this out sometime ago.

Once you start inviting people in mass scale to your server to have more numbers and coverage in WvWvW there is no stopping, there is not a point where you can say “ok guys we’ve enough please stop transfering, we already zerged everything in T1”.

Its not really against the rules for RUIN to transfer to BT, its actually the ultimatum strategy really. They either win.. by joining the winning side. Or they make BT’s “original guilds” (if there is any, except Xaoc?) to boycott WvWvW making BT lose matches and drop in tiers, and then they’re free to transfer somewhere else since they did what they wanted, which is to “beat” BT

Ianervan.3415:

Let me repeat one more time: with the way the current system is setup, final scoring is directly proportional to the number of man hours a server can put into the match.

No it’s not.

Servers at the top have better players on average. That’s because better players gravitate towards the competitive positions.

PS: Easy way to refute what you said is being online at server reset. All servers have maxed capacity in WvW (full maps). If your theory was true, every server would have the same amount of points every hour, for as long as all maps are full. This is never the case.

lepri.6504:

The server claims to have better skilled players is the one who need ego nerf. Good players are everywhere

No they’re not. Good players are in good guilds and/or in competitive environment.
Exceptions don’t refute that.

Lol ok hang on a minute. What is your definition of Good players? Because i’m pretty aware of the tPvP community at the moment (TD, PTC, Onib, Ninja Chiftans) and so on, and none of those guilds are in crowded server. Both in US/EU. So you might have to start wonder what a good player mean to you.. you might be thinking a “decent dedicated player” or so?

Because i do know back in warhammer i’d even take some people from said “pro warbands” in here to groups and small scale fights and they couldn’t do anything nor perform well without being told what to do and where to go, and in small scale 6v6 fights there would be other people that would perform much better then those who play in large scale fights. Not saying that a good player doesn’t do both, but it usually a group of 5-6 out of the 20-30 that runs with the same guild tag.

Genev.2450:

It might be a numbers game, but without skill and cooperation between those numbers, its not going to work out.

I agree on the cooperation bit, and probably good coordination too. But skill? It really depends what you consider skill honestly.
WvWvW at the moment is about culling/turtling and being smart with tactics on how/when to attack/defend something.
Probably the only times people use different skill is before going in to use a stealth barrier and pre-buffing to charge in and spam those AoEs very hard.

You can probably see there is literally no target calling or target selection since groups just mark their “leader” just to know where to bring the AoE spam on top of him and follow him around lol.

MagnusLL.8473:

Ianervan.3415:

PS: Easy way to refute what you said is being online at server reset. All servers have maxed capacity in WvW (full maps). If your theory was true, every server would have the same amount of points every hour, for as long as all maps are full. This is never the case.

Uhmmm….

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/15

Essentially identical points until 5AM CET when people went to sleep.

From those graphs you can also easily check when servers are gaining most points on the others.

Simple truth of the matter is: playing better than the other servers with full maps will indeed give you a score advantage, but that advantage is insignificant compared to the advantage you get when you’re capping all 4 maps unopposed due to having higher numbers.

Would BT still be winning this matchup without unopposed capping? Probably yes (although it’s hard to tell due to the fact that BT comes into prime time with a previous advantage from the morning capping and the morale boost of the general situation), but it would be with a much smaller margin. On the other hand, if either VS or Desolation (or anyone else for that matter) had 666 players available during the 8-12AM period, they’d be crushing BT regardless of how well organized the server is.

This is not belittling anyone; I explicitly stated you know how to make very good use of your superior numbers. But denying them is ridiculous IMO. Apart from the obvious fact that the “new” BT is essentially three WvW servers rolled into one (“old” BT + GH + FSP), do you honestly believe any server can get to 450+ points/tick in a situation of equal numbers?

And this sums up WvWvW to you. And it is also the reason why a lot of people have turned it down to it, since its basically about numbers and time coverage.

You guys do understand that Dee Jay.2460 probably plays a thief right ?

High end meta tPvP teams don’t complain because they turn to the OP builds them selfs, which is fine. But does not – in any way – means that its “ok” or “balanced”. And in order to have a decent esport game (if it ever becomes one) you need to have a balanced environment.

Kasama.8941:

Pyrial.2917:

It’s not just their ability to hold a node that makes them a top tiered profession. Area retaliation, stability, and heals in most builds.

Put a Mesmer on him with boon removal and interrupts. Look for repetitive patterns, and try to be one step ahead of his defensive skills. If the fight drags out, then expect more opponents to come and call for backup to counter it. That’s the best advice I can give without risking this becoming a 20 page long debate

While you’re at this, you’ve already lost ~100 points to the other team since he’s staying in the point and probably knocking you back while he is NOT being knocked-back due massive stability accessibility.

It does seem you haven’t done much tournaments. Unfortunately what you described would be fine… if tournaments weren’t conquest type of game. Then who cares if he can stay alive all the way he wants ? He’s not hurting anyone is he ? But its a complete different scenario when you MUST have/hold the objective.

And in your scenario when his backup arrives and your backup arrives. Lets say you’ve more burst with 2 dps and kill his buddy… if its a mesmer/thief (which usually is) that came to aid the guardian even with stability they’ll be able to deny you at least a stomp giving the guardian enough time to pop stability himself and ress the guy up, and you’ll be around 150 points behind already. If it was a bunker Engy or a warrior that came to aid, they can ress themselfs up. Engineer easier then Warriors since those need some time, but can still do it, while doing massive damage while downed.. which brings me to -> compare with rangers n2 in downed state…

mouse.1689:

nurt.5401:

Uh. this is a myth. You probably don’t notice TPvP specific complaints about the thief because there’s nothing really tournament specific about the problems.

I don’t think you’ll find a single top level player who will agree with you. Thieves are actually getting edged out of the metagame in tPvP right now. Sure, they can gib people once in awhile, but that’s not translating to games being won, at least at top levels of play.

And this is only happening because teams are going super bunker builds. Which is also something that should be addressed. But i do agree that the main point in all these bunkers builds we see around is due the silly king-of-the-hill type of game.

I just want them to “Balance” thiefs in a way that they are not completely necessary in a tPvP group. Just like a guardian shouldn’t be. But at the moment every single team has the holy trinity thief-guardian-mesmer.

Exactly, its not meant to be ONLY OP/strong/weak etc, i just said that to start the argument (like the previous thread that there is nowhere to be found).

Would help to know what spec you normally use.

Generally speaking try drop some AoEs obviously to destroy the clones. Traps are also very useful especially against a blurred frenzy mesmer (which is basically all of them, using pistol+sword). Since they’ll teleport to you for their rotation and will get hit by the traps.

SausageStorm.4293:

Necro and Ranger should be on average. Unless you main Ranger and are just being biased but nonetheless, this is pretty near accurate.

I don’t see both of those classes in the same level. Honestly both have alot of bugs and lack in some departments, but I’ve seen necros be way more viable then rangers, they can be tanky and can help defend a point with its extra health bars, and also are very useful against bunker guardians that you will basically find every single match, also with fear/traps which are better then the ones rangers has per-say. While ranger… well they don’t have a defined role in conquest type of fights. A good trap spec ranger can be very annoying and deadly while defending a point but for this purpose you’d rather have a bunker engineer or necro, or a bunker elementalist. And well, a “dps” ranger is something that does not exist.. i’ll not go into explaining that but yeah, i guess you know why.

Erm, somehow i saw this thread gone? I thought it was a good thread to talk about the state of tPvP at the moment. Please delete it if it was meant to not be discussed…

Anyway, state what is your main and alts, and what classes you find OP, strong/average/weak or something like that.

Main for tPvP: Mesmer
Alts: Ranger, thief and engineer.

OP:
Mesmer, Thief, Guardian (holy trinity – don’t think you’ll find premades without those 3)

Strong:
Bunker Engie, Bunker Ele, Necro, Warrior

Average:
Not-bunker Engie, Not-bunker Ele

Weak:
Ranger (no matter which spec you try like trap, that is very good, there is some other profession that can do better then you skill-wise)

Snort.3698:

saVdoom.2067:

Prime time, as per usual, we do very good a

Scroll down to the income evolution from a few weeks ago.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/12/5

Yes, we did got morning capped to hell. Our score goes good till mid-night or so (prime-time) then at 4am everything’s blue till 6pm or so, then we’ve to try get everything fully fortified back and the fight goes even but we still manage to win.. just to lose everything again around same time 4am. Its fine though, i’m just not so sure what point you’re trying to prove.

http://s7.postimage.org/pqma0k0p5/temp.png

@Thread
Probs to VS honestly. You guys are still T1 being a FR server after so long without a russian/american community (that i know off), so congratulations!

@Desolation
I think i did warn you guys about RUIN coming to your server, back when you guys were fighting us at T3. It was bound to happen and you guys were warned.

Webley.1295:

By looking at the score and seeming its only 2 days in, im pretty sure SFR did better against BT than what these T1 servers are doing right now?

If IRON and GOD came to SFR it would be a smashing server. Plenty of room in the Medium server. Looks like we will be T2 again soon

Meh, no way we’ll be higher tiers without massive morning or night players to be honest. Prime time, as per usual, we do very good and we seem to be the server with the least bandwagon guilds honestly. The core guilds who started WvWvW from day 1 in SFR are still in SFR fighting despite the odds, despite losing or winning. Quite an achievement to be honest, seeing T1 is all about full transfering and stuff.

Ianervan.3415:

saVdoom.2067:

And you know why Blacktide would probably beat Deso last week? Because BT itself is a “mass transferred” server. And this fact makes it all the funnier. Instead of massive amount of americans, you have a massive amount of russians.

You mean, instead of massive amount of NA people we have EU people as we’re supposed to have? How is that the same?

And of course Blacktide had transfers, every server who wants to be on top needs to have transfers, what do you expect, Blacktide to beat Deso as a Medium server?

So much for packing your queues to 40mins – 2hours just to beat T1 and know that in the end it was all about population. Congratulations

No it’s not, Blacktide is now full server, just like Desolation. Blacktide was Medium in the beginning FYI (as far as I remember) while Desolation was the initial bandwagon of many people in GW2. Population-wise, both servers are equal so please..

Thanks for proving my point. Population > Skill. So higher tiers merely mean high populations unfortunately.

Btw, Seafarer’s Rest is making their way up in T3 and maybe we’ll be able to compete at T2 (and probably lose) while being Medium Populated server.

docMed.7692:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Ranger-update

Was being sarcastic..

docMed.7692:

saVdoom.2067:

You can guess from this topic here, where people discuss those people’s classes/professions:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/GW2League-now-with-sPvP-Rankings-Need-Info

That’s really all i wanted to say regarding ranger class in competitive game. Broken and useless. I switched to mesmer/thief myself a while ago for tournaments, and soon will get to play an engineer too.

Nice balancing right here Anet. Thanks..

You’re right – there isn’t an entirely separate post regarding a major update coming for the Ranger next patch. Clearly Anet has declared the game 100% balanced. Let’s riot.

Is there? I think i might have missed that… was about a couple empty promises on some of our useless/non functional traits? Every class has those… and even if they fix it’ll need a major re-make to bring rangers up there with other classes in “king-of-the-hill” kind of game play presented in tournaments.

Besides i don’t really listen much to Anet since they have never ever answered if they literally lied to us about QZ nerf while using short-bow or not. They kinda missed me on that one.

No rangers? Lol.

You can guess from this topic here, where people discuss those people’s classes/professions:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/GW2League-now-with-sPvP-Rankings-Need-Info

That’s really all i wanted to say regarding ranger class in competitive game. Broken and useless. I switched to mesmer/thief myself a while ago for tournaments, and soon will get to play an engineer too.

Nice balancing right here Anet. Thanks..

patteSatan.4561:

Btw, so even ppl that hate [RUIN], will understand, Im not from USA, I live in europe, many of us actually do……but I think we only got 1 person that speaks french in the guild…

/Williamine[RUIN]

Don’t hate RUIN. They’re just another zergy guild. Could easily stomp them in Warhammer back in the day, was funny as hell. But props to Archaos for managing to gather all this people though.

vulneraria.4865:

looking the income is clear the french severs have best primetime here, remember that they have to fight every day from the spawn point against probably full upgraded keep.
We fight deso prime time and french server prime time, i really don’t need a graph for say that french primetime is far better than deso prime time.

btw this is 24h game, VS lead till now nightcapping other servers, now deso have the best night crew ans is nr1 in the ladder, but that don’t mean that they are the best server.probably VS too was not the best server.

This pretty much sums up. And clearly shows me why WvWvW is kinda kitten at the moment. You either bandwagon to the next fully packed 24h coverage server or you’re bound to be at lower tiers.

And its funny to see people trying to deny the graph that was showed. Why is that? Its only conclusive that Desolation won by “night-capping”, not saying its a bad thing, since its what Anet designed… but its funny to watch Deso bragging about holding their own in prime-time… its kinda easy when you’ve fully upgraded keeps to defend and good population against demotivated servers (when they see they lost everything… they get demotivated when they lose all efforts during their sleep/work).

maloki.3527:

I’m still gonna wait for GF and Nug to come back to the place (and person!) they know they love..

I miss you guys. <3

I’m not so sure. I believe those guilds will probably soon proclaim how good they are and how much more smart they are, for jumping in before others did, to a winning fully packed and 24h coverage server to reach T1 asap. Its pretty common among WvWvW.

Btw, this match up looks like both germans server kind of gave up, but i hope they recover soon enough.

SkeletalLlama.5381:

Every server realized night capping was a problem. Every server kept begging the Asians to join them. Ruin was simply the first guild to realize it wasn’t going to happen. It’s not reasonable to expect Asians to come to every server to act as your personal night cappers. So Ruin got proactive and did what no one else was willing to do. It was a smart move and it worked magnificently as the scores show.

True. But then its the argument whether did it “worked”? What worked?

Lets see..
Sure they’ve huge scores and will probably be in T1 and might even win T1 with a huge amount of points like T2.. and then what?
If Arborstone and Vizunah does not have the amount of night activity as they claim, then what will happen → something like one server scoring 600+ and other 2 scoring less then 100? Will lead to what we already see in some match ups, which is people leaving W3 all together, and ruining yet another whole week match up, making the whole game boring for everyone. Bored people leave the game.

The whole point to make WvWvW succeed is to make the matches fair and competitive. Winning a close fight is much more enjoyable then winning a fight where your opposition left 5 days ago and all you’re doing is beating on NPCs. Close fights make people fight till the end.

You can argue that this is what Anet wants, and at some point the servers without night activity will try get activity at those times or just stay mid-tiers and so on. But then check my previous post where i said that i don’t think this is such a good idea.

Btw is ridiculous the filter stopping me from saying “happen (not trying to write anything kinky here) is that” but it won’t allow me -_-

@Double post since i cannot edit.

Only guild that “rallied” or “came back” was indeed Iron. Perhaps they made a significant impact mainly because of their sheer numbers. And if they managed to get 10-20 organized people during the night it definitely already made a huge impact against 5-10 pugs.

And its “props”, not “probs” XD

Raap.9065:

We got pushed down and instead of complaining about it, we rallied and came back. During the bracket vs Seafarers Rest we we’re 3rd, but re-organised and got 2nd, we would have had a good shot at 1st but the 7 day match was too short to allow us to close that gap. The following matchup we continued this progress and then RUIN joined in aswell.

Nice story there man. But this is far from correct. The remaining guilds in Desolation did not “rallied” nor “came back”. The exact same time Desolation started gaining some ground against Seafarer’s Rest last week was due mainly 2 factors:

1) IRON guild started doing night capping to get up in points seeing that Seafarer’s Rest barely has any night time players safe a few. And i’m not trying to say this in a negative way, probs to IRON guild for having the effort for doing that. But as said by their own members, a rather “cheesy” tactic, but so far is the best tactic in GW2 WvWvW for us so far, which is → cap stuff when there is no one to defend.

2) It combined exactly with RUIN transfer to Desolation. They didn’t join after the match up, but they joined 2-3 days before ending, hence the huge amount of points you guys gained making the scenario look some-what a “close fight”. But this close fight was merely in points, not in actual fighting mind you.

Huge amount of points just promotes 2 things → PvDoor and making people lose the interest of fighting in W3. Simple as that :-\

Woody.7250

Also on the subject of people leaving and joining different servers – I think it’s wrong, and ANet should bring back the cost to change server they originally intended to include, as we’re seeing a high number of people hopping off their server as soon as things get a little rough and it’s quite honestly pathetic. You should be proud of your server, even if you’re getting your kitten handed to you by a superior force.

You do understand that the main reason making Desolation competitive at the moment is the same “high number of people hopping off their server as soon as things get a little rough and it’s quite honestly pathetic”, they usually do under the reasons such as “our server did not had wvwvw mentality”, “we carried the server but they were mindless zergers” and so on.

So what i am saying is that the new 24/h coverage servers such as Desolation and Blacktide at the moment, were only possible because of free transfers with a whole lot of guilds looking for a server where they have their “off-time” covered.

Now this might be the real intend of Anet, but this will lead to some problems such as very high populated servers with 24/h coverage and a lot of server without.. who will not be real competitive in higher tiers. Simple saying the top servers will always be fighting each other with very few to no change on the competition (taking into account that they will close free transfers at some point). I’m still not sure whether this is good or not though… I don’t think so to be honest, i would still rather have the score reflecting more towards the actual PvP (so if you’re PvEin’ you don’t get as many points as you do now), where people would focus in quality PvP and WvWvW instead of quantity/PvDoors WvWvW. We will see…