Guild Wars 2

Vena.8436:

scooby treat.8420:

You gain so much in fact that a full tank build can hit close to a glass cannon but take hits because they are all tough/vit.

Tough/vit nourishments FTW

Uhh… correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the most you can get from food/maint ~14% to any one stat or divided over multiple stats? Say you add that to power exclusively, how’s that going to make up for all of the non-existent precision, condition damage, critical damage, critical rate, etc…?

ok let me go with a superior sharpening stone where 6 percent of your toughness and 4 percent of your vitality is converted to power which ends up being 10 percent total. Lets say you have 2200 tough and 2200 vit you are going to end up getting 220 power. Now lets say you go with something like plate of truffle steak which gives you 100 power and 70 precision thats a total of 320 power and 70 precision. 320 power is more than you can get if you put 30 points into your power tree by itself. putting 25 points into my toughness tree gives me “5 percent of my toughness is given as a bonus to condition damage” so add 110 condition damage on top of that because I wanted more armor to gain more power.

Now if I was a condition mesmer i could get the one that gives me condition instead of power and now I have 420 extra condition and 70 precision on top of whatever cond/power/prec i can add in my armor while still having 2200 tough and 2200 vit.

I don’t think most of you understand what I am saying. I use food buffs at all times and WvW is all I do. The nourishment buffs you gain from using both a food lets say pizza and a maintenance oil is huge especially if you run a high tough/vit build. You gain so much in fact that a full tank build can hit close to a glass cannon but take hits because they are all tough/vit. This has NOTHING to do with runes or armor or sigils.

The point to going more power is to do more damage but you will take more damage. however with food buffs giving you the power you lose from going tough or vit what is the point? You now have a tank that can do as much as the person who went more power so they could hit harder.

So I now run higher tough/vit and stack with my food buff to make me that much stronger. I hear many people posting in this thread about choices yet there is only one clear choice that is the best in the end. Higher tough/vit and food buff to give you BACK the power/cond/prec you lose from going that route. In the end your choices become more limited because of the food buffs that many are screaming gives you more options.

Tough/vit nourishments FTW

style.6173:

sigh a really bad idea. Let’s also get rid of differences in weapons and armor. Oh wait, we have that in sPvP.

The LAST thing we need is the removal of more strategy related to WvW. Yes nourishment is strategy. A lot of players switch foods throughout the day, just the way you switch utility skills.

you should be playing on your build not on the food.

As much as I LOVE my nourishments in WvW i feel it creates imbalance in WvW. For example you can create a high vitality/toughness build and then put on your nourishment that gives you power on the amount of toughness and vitality you have allowing you to hit much harder then you really should in my opinion as a vit/tough build. This imbalance is what leads certain builds to be marked as OP. Taking to much bleed damage? There is a nourishment for that too making some build useless in WvW because the build is based on dealing condition damage. Like I said I love my nourishments but I think they should go as they create to much imbalance in WvW Doing this would also allow you to see the other imbalances in classes and tweak them easier.

Sadistis.4257:

Just transfered down to this tier… Lets Get it On! must say though other than right now in EB where there was a decent fight i’m not finding much fight from anyone, i’m on SF

Sooo you transfer to the larger of the 3 servers and wonder why there isn’t much fighting? You should have moved to ET or FC if you wanted to fight.

@ungood

I hear ya man its a great feeling when you see everyone working together. Not only does it help your server it puts everyone in a better mood and people want to pitch in. When FC works together I love it. People talking in map saying “i’m upgrading the supply camp” or “i’m going to grab the frogs/ogres” stuff like that. It just helps sooooo much.

FilthyRat.4652:

scooby treat.8420:

Hi guys-

Just wanted to say lets all be happy
No need to argue like this on our thread just have fun on the battle field. I have had a great time with a lot of SF players just dueling and having some fun. Now I know we can’t always see eye to eye but how about a hug all around. No more kitten posts just hugs!
Add- also if anyone from ET or SF would like a duel just let me know i’m always down for a duel.

So many great fights yesterday!
My favorite was in SM yesterday morning when you guys were inside the outer walls. Was so much fun and think I died more times in that battle than i have in any given week.

Yes I had a great time yesterday was a ton of fun

Added- just also wanted to add you guys (SF) did a great job holding us off on your BL at DB yesterday we got both walls down and got pushed out great job you guys was a lot of fun!

Hi guys-

Just wanted to say lets all be happy
No need to argue like this on our thread just have fun on the battle field. I have had a great time with a lot of SF players just dueling and having some fun. Now I know we can’t always see eye to eye but how about a hug all around. No more kitten posts just hugs!
Add- also if anyone from ET or SF would like a duel just let me know i’m always down for a duel.

OK. So I found SF. After much thought (5 min) I found the match. As they have more numbers than Ferg or ET i give them there own squad! The SF 49ers cheerleaders!

Eredon Terrace? That one is easy as well! ET! I’ll look for SF

So I saw the post about the celebrities name thing and well I feel it should really be about our server name. We are Fergie’s and so should our celeb!

Thank you guys! I’m glad we have some night crew!

Add- Just wanted to say thank you again!

I made a thread about this a couple weeks ago. In my opinion they need to put a cap at the bottom and a cap at the top lets say the lowest you can go is 900 and the highest you can go is 2000 (doesn’t have to be those numbers) that way the bottom 2 servers that lose every week don’t keep going lower and lower and the top doesn’t keep going higher and higher.

Another Idea would be to put a cap in between tiers like 20 points or something and keep it that way.

I’m going to be honest yes SF has more WvW players than us (FC). However we could do a much better job than are doing. FC seems to have become the friday warriors server where we have a decent turn out at reset and then not much after. We also need to talk better with each other. Why fight on 4 maps when we don’t have the numbers?

1) protect our BL
2)choose the next BL to attack and stay there and help backup our BL when needed.
3)Protect and upgrade what we have in the BL we have chosen to attack
4)IF we have enough to start an attack on a 3rd BL decide and go there and stay out of the 4th. Maybe if you want to send 2 or 3 for camp runs that works for the 4th but the rest stay out.

The simple KISS (Keep it simple stupid) works if we work together. When i can go to all 4 BL’s and see maybe 5 to 10 players running around that could be 20 to 40 people in 1 BL is enough to do some damage.

Quit playing WvW just for exp/karma trains. It seems a lot of people just want the exp/karma train rather than upgrade and help protect what we have. Its a lot harder to take something upgraded then paper walls and doors.

Quit only coming out on fridays. Now if you only play this game on fridays when reset happens sure I understand that is the only time you can play but if you play other days than just friday come out to WvW. Also don’t stop coming out because we don’t own much. Start in our BL if it needs help and ask where we are attacking in the next BL (if people would only attack 1 other BL).

whats with the no updates

thought i would put a score update to show off my new armor skins I spent a while getting. Anyhow good luck to everyone and had a great time in SF last night.

So I see SF has resorted to spawn camping in EB with siege… Nice..

Fivekiller the reason it was such a close point difference is because SF had just moved to T8 from T7. That match was one of the closest matches I have fought in T8 and they as a server lost around 150 or 200 points to drop down to our lower level of points. Any server that drops from T7 to T8 will drop 200 points to get down to the other 2 servers.

That is why Kain and DR got so big because the only way for them to get out of T8 was to blow us out of the water over for a couple of weeks. As you see where are they now? Not in T7 and they (DR not anymore) are jumping whole tiers in a week that is the problem.

its either go up 12 points a week which would take 6 months (literally, and thats if they keep winning each week at the same pace and don’t lose) or blow us out of the water which takes about 2 months or so with the transfers slowly building up to a large zerg status to have enough to just dominate us and then shoot up the tiers. I bet the T8 servers would put up a good fight against the T7 servers but we will never know unless a server gets enough transfers to just blow us out of the water and then they just shoot past T7 and T6 and even T5. Kain will also jump to level 3 next week as well.

I’m not saying that T8 is the only one having problems with the score fivekiller but IF they are going to keep this same point/score system in place something needs to be done to fix the 200 point difference in the bottom T8.

Ok look at the point difference between T1 and T2 ONLY 8 points (to move up)! There is 242 points difference between T7 and T8 HUGE difference

If you look at the points inT8 and the top server SF is around 250 points to T7 which creates a big problem. There has to be a huge blowout for a couple of weeks to move up. We might as well become best friends in T8 because moving 12 points a week we will be together for the next year if SF wins everytime. Anet you need to make a bottom point and a top point. If you look at ALL the other tiers at most they are around 75 points difference however most of them are only about 30 points (or less) away from the next tier.

The big problem? Look at DR and Kain they grew so large in T8 because of the point difference between T7 and T8 look at them now (not so much DR now because a lot left but you get what I mean as they were moving up). Not only does it create issues at the bottom you see the blowouts as they move up and up and up which causes issues of its own.

Please fix this Anet thank you….

Also let me add one more thing. With free transfers going away and making it cheaper to transfer to a lower tier server (if that is the case) then you will have many more “DR/Kain” servers on the up and up.

vicelicious.3407:

@Chaser – We went up a tier. Got our butts handed to us big time. People left, and our population dropped like crazy. For quite a while we had max, 10-20 peeps on wvw.

@scooby – I remember Tomnus. Much respect for him. I don’t agree with the hating you’re dishing out. But I can live with someone disagreeing with me.

Fair enough, good luck on whichever server you choose I am done.

ZombiiDuud.1428:

scooby treat.8420:

Skarloc.2569:

The real reason we’re leaving is that FC is about to be on the other side of population imbalance, and this time for the better. I’m sorry, but we’re no longer the underpopulated server, that already goes to ET, and HoD is probably worse. None of us want to stick around and beat up on the small kid, that’s just not fun for us.

Oh, and if a 6’1" 300 lb. guy is trying to fight you, you probably should run. Coward or not, you just sound like an idiot wanting to fight that guy. Have fun cleaning up your teeth.

Really we have the numbers? Not only is that news to me it seems to be news to some of your own guild members posting. My “opinion” is that you guys didn’t want to lose to kain so both NP and you bounced.

So you like to fight outmanned but you would run if you had to fight someone bigger than you… I see… FC now has the numbers.. I see….

Anyhow don’t let the door hit you on the way out..

Not saying I agree with your dispute betwix Envy/NP and yourself; but; I must say that FC has more numbers than ET but still they do not have the numbers they need so I can see where the feelings of betrayal come from. Ultimately though it is up the their guild leaders and members to decide what is most enjoyable for them, nothing else should matter. Sorry FC, you guys lost two great guilds.

Yes we did (not anymore) have more numbers than ET and I guess his post could be part true in that a “zerg” will always goes for the easiest exp so would attack ET. However Kain you guys still had the advantage on us even before NP and ENVY decided to jump so his “reason” goes out the window they left for “beating” up the small guy because you guys have been ahead pretty much the whole time after reset. I think the last couple of months of DR, Kain, and FC and the argument of DR was determining the second place now seems to hold water and I think NP and ENVY couldn’t take it to know that it could be part true.

When the reset happened and kain stated pulling ahead they blame it on “beating” up the small guy and jump. The reason for that is EGO and not wanting to be wrong. Anyhow whatever like I said earlier don’t let the door hit you on the way out NP and ENVY I have seen many guilds come and go.

Skarloc.2569:

The real reason we’re leaving is that FC is about to be on the other side of population imbalance, and this time for the better. I’m sorry, but we’re no longer the underpopulated server, that already goes to ET, and HoD is probably worse. None of us want to stick around and beat up on the small kid, that’s just not fun for us.

Oh, and if a 6’1" 300 lb. guy is trying to fight you, you probably should run. Coward or not, you just sound like an idiot wanting to fight that guy. Have fun cleaning up your teeth.

Really we have the numbers? Not only is that news to me it seems to be news to some of your own guild members posting. My “opinion” is that you guys didn’t want to lose to kain so both NP and you bounced.

So you like to fight outmanned but you would run if you had to fight someone bigger than you… I see… FC now has the numbers.. I see….

Anyhow don’t let the door hit you on the way out..

One more thing I wanted to say I remember back when I saw my first commander Icon. A guardian and guild leader for IC Tomnus (I think thats how he spelled his name). He would charge into a sea of enemies by himself and many times live to tell the tale. I remember watching him and many times it would make me smile I would tell my good friend “there goes good old Tomnus again hehe”. I was sad to hear when IC decided to move off our server back then. Maybe Tomnus is why I will charge a zerg and try to bust out some sweet dance moves before I get dropped.

vicelicious.3407:

I’ve been with FC since the first few days the server existed. I was here way before NP came. From when we were the actual zerg server, mobbing every single map. To after the whipping we had in T7 caused a massive migration. When Sanct and Bladie’s guild running the show. I was still here when they left.

Before NP came to our server, post-T7 rapefest, our WVW was a DEAD zone, with small clusters of people putting up resistance. Kinda like now really.

I ,for one, appreciated the energy and morale boost NP and Chris brought to the server. I for one, started WVWing again because he and NP made us feel like we had a fighting chance. I’m sure others felt the same, but I’ll not generalise.

You wanna go all, oh! Chris only comes on with a Zerg behind? I’ve been in an out of WVW all week, as quite frankly Kain’s numbers are overwhelming, plus unlike DR, they actually seem to know what they’re doing.

Still I log on to see a few people who haven’t given up, trying to take on impossible numbers. About 5 – 10 of us on our own map. Versus easily 30+ Kain.

Chris was there. Np was there. Envy was there. Were you?

Also, you’re saying that the Ferg home map is where the ‘zerg’ is? That’s just plain disrespectful to people who stay on our map to defend. And wow, our zerg of 10 people last nite was awesome!

And yes. I’m in Np. And for that same reason, I’ve run with NP and Chris enough to know the reasons for map hopping. Going back to defend the home map. Hitting another map which is under defended. Facing over whelming numbers after trying for too long.

I joined NP, not because of Chris. I’m there because I like PVPing and they were the most active guild I saw in WVW. Because I like the people in NP.

Also, you make it sound like guilds hop servers to gain members. Fact of the matter is, the players you gain from hopping might not even cover the players that decide not to follow you to a new server.

I for one, haven’t decided if I want to move with NP or stay on with FC.

If you wanna hate, by all means. But at least give credit and hate with a reason.

Cheers.

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You know what I probably wasn’t on our BL and you want to know why? Chris is why and I will tell you. When NP first came I was happy that we finally at least got some WvW players. I even sent him mail that said hey thanks for joining Ferg you brought up the spirits of what little WvW we have left and welcome to FC. You know what? Not even a response. That guy has such a huge EGO he doesn’t know where to put it all but I can tell him where it can go. That was the first week or so that NP was there after that I was like whatever at least we have more players to help out WvW.

After watching a mindless zerg run around and breaking up and him switching maps when it broke I was like whatever and just tried to stay out of any map that dude was on. Once you guys went all out on our BL i just stopped going there and stayed in DRBL, KBL, or EB (I would go to FCBL later at night when most people go to bed). From then on I would see him pop in a map with a zerg in tow ninja a bunch of stuff until DR or kain zerg would come and break our zerg and he would split. Many times we were doing ok too, talking on the map, taking a couple towers, only to have it destroyed by chris and the zerg because the players we did have on the map ran with the zerg. Not only did it break all communication we had on the map it brought a large enemy zerg onto the map where our small forces could no longer handle it. our 15 to 20 force that was on the map before the zerg would then turn into 5 people and a large enemy force. Many times they would just take everything and then leave a small force behind but it would just destroy everything that was worked for before all that. I guess maybe I have a different view on how an attack should be and running at the first sign of touble isn’t one of them.

I had a feeling NP would just get players and bounce and that is just what happened. I see a new smaller guild WZ now in ferg this week spamming to recruit and I hope they don’t do the same in a couple of weeks. We have had many guilds leave it all started when the server first opened and we would go from owning everything to getting owned every other week it seemed like. We were fighing servers with either no WvW or thats all they did was WvW.

So anyhow NP and ENVY by all means leave i can’t stop you and no one on FC can stop you. I will go down with the same ship a started on. I am the same in real life that I am in the game when it comes to stuff like that. I am not a coward I don’t care if you are 6’10" 300 pounds I will still fight. I might not win but I don’t run like a coward.

Chaster Sharpshooter.3640:

scooby treat.8420:

The reason we have issues is because guilds like yourself come to our server and farm players and leave. You know what I’m glad you and “your” guild left i’m tired of guilds like yours that just bounce servers you will leave your next server soon enough.

On top of that Chris you only run in zergs and if you don’t have the numbers or you feel you are going to lose you bounce maps anyways.

On the brighter side, those who did follow guilds like that, now have a happier WvW realm, and more activities. Shouldn’t you be happy for those FC brothers that left?

At least for my lost veteran SoS members, I’m happy for them now that they have found a better place to enjoy WvW to their heart’s content.

Sure, it saddens me, but do not turn that sadness into unreasonable hate.

Now, as to Chris zerg and bounce map just because he found resistant? I’d say some people doesn’t quite get it, eh?

Fighting over 5 hours trying to cap a SM worth 35 points and still fail at the end, vs spending 2 hours and easily cap 3 of enemy’s keep in their BL and secure it for three hours? I’d always vote on the latter choice, as it is both wise, and efficient.

WvW is a game about capture and securing the POINTS, not just hanging your guild emblem over some egotistical iconic symbol like SM. If you still hasn’t got this part figured out, go learn more about WvW before saything things like that.

I have always told people, LET IT GO, primary target is primary, sure, enemy is knocking on their own keep in EB while we are attacking on another target, just let them take it, and stop crying over it just because it had your guild tag over it.

Reason?

1. Our current primary target is more valuable than the sacrificed target?
(EG: taking down a defense-less fully upgraded keep before the enemy could respond)
2. Wooden walls/gates are easy to break down
(Since there’s no way you can instant upgrade it to max in less than 30 min)
3. If we had managed to take it down while in fully upgraded state, there no way we can’t take it down at tier 1 mode
(I don’t need to explain this one, do I?)
4. Just to kitten you off because you called names in map/team chat, and not trying to understand.
(You so deserved it)

And that’s all.

so number 1 I’m not going to spend 5 hours trying to take SM you have no idea who I am I usually run with a group of 3 to 5 and take camps and take towers from time to time. I would hear some people cry from time to time in map chat saying “if only chris was here!” When I did see him show up in a map I was in he would bring a zerg of people with him and he would zerg everything until that zerg “died” and then jump ship to another map usually back to fergs home map where the “zerg” was. I have been on this server from the head start and have watched guilds come in WvW saying Join NP or Join SANC only to jump ship soon after. Should I be happy for them? Why should I be happy for a group of people that jump when it gets tough? I have no respect for those people and if you do then you are one of those people as well.

vicelicious.3407:

scooby treat.8420:

Chris.4527:

With the 2 months I’ve been on FC, us and Envy have turned into a brother/sister type of relationship, haha. We both decided to leave FC since it has no future in this bracket anymore. We can stomp the map during our prime time, but soon we go to sleep the asian army takes over. `

So we are moving on. Good luck to FC.

The reason we have issues is because guilds like yourself come to our server and farm players and leave. You know what I’m glad you and “your” guild left i’m tired of guilds like yours that just bounce servers you will leave your next server soon enough.

On top of that Chris you only run in zergs and if you don’t have the numbers or you feel you are going to lose you bounce maps anyways.

For real? What are you smoking. Pass it around please.

FC spends most of the time outmanned (even on our BL lately) – Agreed? Yup!
Chris camps wvw like his kitten was glued to a dolyaks left nostril.

Chris bounces the map when we’re outnumbered? In that case he wouldn’t have been on any maps to start with.

Don’t over generalise and get off your high horse.

My high horse? Is ferg not hurting because of guilds just jumping? YEP! Also yes he does bounce maps when he is losing why don’t you get off your high horse i’m guessing you must be in NP or ENVY. I’m not talking about Ferg home map because thats where the “zerg” was. He would come to another map until the zerg would die and then jump maps.

Chris.4527:

With the 2 months I’ve been on FC, us and Envy have turned into a brother/sister type of relationship, haha. We both decided to leave FC since it has no future in this bracket anymore. We can stomp the map during our prime time, but soon we go to sleep the asian army takes over. `

So we are moving on. Good luck to FC.

The reason we have issues is because guilds like yourself come to our server and farm players and leave. You know what I’m glad you and “your” guild left i’m tired of guilds like yours that just bounce servers you will leave your next server soon enough.

On top of that Chris you only run in zergs and if you don’t have the numbers or you feel you are going to lose you bounce maps anyways.

@ktith
“Why oh why is DR trying to stay in T8. You guys are winning, but you’re losing rating because you’re holding back….you’re losing people because of this fact alone…win harder.”

They are scared thats why. They only fight if they have the numbers maybe 1 time out of 20 one of them might turn and fight other than that they run with their tails tucked. So if they move up they won’t have the numbers anymore and probably a lot will jump ship if it gets hard for them (the new guilds not the old ones).

Here is a pic if you see me please stop and fight don’t run I just want to fight!

Right when I get back in the game another DR running come on fight its 1vs1 why are you in WvW if you going to run!

I see agent smith is still with us however I did have fun in EB trying to hold off DR’s endless players.

Draygo.9473:

scooby treat.8420:

Calos.1350:

Did all the Ferg and Kain excuses crash the server? Or will server going down be the next one? LOL JK

I will lose all respect for Anet if DR does not move up this week.

They wont move up this week, and its not anets fault either.

It took DR till wednesday to actually break fergs defense so they didnt get the point spread needed to go to T7.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Right now there is a ~60 point ratings difference between ET and DR, and they wont close it by reset. Which means we get one last week of this matchup before ET drops into T8.

Today I feel we are fighting agent smith they just keep coming and coming and coming. Also did they get more guilds? I’m seeing new guild names that I haven’t seen before.

Calos.1350:

Did all the Ferg and Kain excuses crash the server? Or will server going down be the next one? LOL JK

I will lose all respect for Anet if DR does not move up this week.

well thank you

ahh ok so in WvW if you come across a tower or keep that no other guild has “claimed” you can claim one for your guild and it puts your insignia up on the flags. You can add buffs on that tower to help people who are trying to defend it if you have the buffs ready for use. They last 12 hours. Anyhow that is what i’m talking about I think it would be cool if the NPC guards would also have your insignia on there chest and if you could change the armor color and look I think it would be alot of fun to see and do.

Are you in a guild? I don’t think you are understanding. A guild can claim 1 tower or keep on the map ok? When you claim it your flags are put on it. Do you understand? I’m not talking about you take a point and it doesn’t matter who takes the tower or keep its who “claims” it.

Lets say you are in a guild and your server has all towers and keeps on the map you can “claim” any tower or keep that is not “claimed”. If you don’t understand what i’m talking about I don’t know what to tell you.

no no i’m talking about when your guild claims a tower or keep and your flags are put in the tower or keep. You can only claim 1 per guild.

I think it would be very cool if when you claim a tower or keep that the npc guards wore your insignia on their chest. It would be a little more personal than just the flags. To take this one step further how cool would it be if you could setup an armor design for those NPC guards on top of them wearing your insignia. You could have a guild tab that allowed you have a set color/design for the NPC’s at the tower or keep you hold. Maybe even allow for different types of armor to be chosen from. Anyhow, thoughts?

I can’t believe a mesmer is even on here trying to complain. How OP is your 4 or 5 mirror images that blow up doing massive damage you can spam every 10 seconds give me a break don’t even cry. Not to mention your mini invis please…..

So this week there was some truce between NP of ferg and not sure if all of kain or some of kain. Anyhow I do no truce and look down upon that. Not only that NP has guildmembers now in Kain and did have in DR not sure if they still do. Really? No truce for me! I still dance in the middle of any zerg green or blue!

Kaimick.5109:

Your right you can’t target something you can’t see, nor can I so if I happen to not be lucky enough to hit them with an aoe I avoid the radius in area in which they can get me for 3 seconds and hope that does the trick.

I never said you sat on the side lines and cried about it, that is an expression of the attitude you have. Since I can’t hit something, I am going to come on the forums and insist that they remove stealth in lude of something I can continue to target and hit.

So you want to cripple one class so you can play a class that has no dis-advantage against them?

When the solution to stealth is learn to evade stealth.

In my post I said change stealth to evade and make them harder to hit so I can at least target and fight. See because of your build with the sword if you swing it you will hit the thief if he is in the area but bows only hit single targets and they must be targeted which is also why warriors and guardians rip through thiefs. I think it would add more ballance if the invis was gone and they just made them harded to hit and I could at least fight them instead of dodge, lightning reflexes, and quick shot in hopes I somehow got far enough away from them but they will usually be right on top of you

Kaimick.5109:

A lot of people do LB/SB, you see that right there let me Bold it for you
“so I guess i will continue to not hit thieves” (corrected your spelling of Thieves)

That exact statement is the reason why you can’t beat the stealth of thieves. You need to get that out of your mind. When I first started pvping I got destroyed by stealth. Instead of sitting on the bench and sobbing saying “so I guess i will continue to not hit thieves” I kept trying different things and watching people fight them learning. Eventually I came up with something that works for me. It is not 100% i would put my odds at 50/50 but it is not something that most Players see, I mean sure I do the common stuff but you need to get this negative crap out of your head and start seriously trying to develop a way to combat it. Your going to fail a lot and you may have to ask someone, but eventually you will get it and smile nice and big and say, “Holy Kittens” I rocked the hell out of him.

Maybe you have to go with a different skill set up till you can figure it out traps, CC ect.

You think i’m just on the sidelines crying because I say I can’t hit a stealthed thief? All I do is WvW and when you can’t target something with the bow you can’t hit them it has nothing to do with “attitude” as I said earlier the only time I can hit something stealthed is barrage with a 24 second cooldown or rapid fire IF i target and attack them with it before they go stealth it will finish the attack out hitting them. My entangle with a 2 and a half minute cooldown a thief can break it just by going stealth. Again glad you seem to “own” them with you build I will continue to only hit thiefs with my barrage or rapid fire when i get it just right or when i can see them

Kaimick.5109:

LOL Presumptive aren’t we, my main PvP toon is a Ranger ( not hunter) Which if you have read my post like you said you have, you would have knowing that.

Sooo Playing my Ranger I have no problems with Thieves in a 1v1 issue. I keep him at range if he gets close flip to melee and proceed to show him not all ranger suck at melee and then bounce back out and nuke him.

I rock a Long bow ( main ) and a sword and horn ( off set) I don’t tend to have issues sorry.

Have I been rocked by Thieves before sure, I don’t win every time but I do not think there is anything wrong with Stealth because I lost lol

I go longbow/shortbow so I guess i will continue to not hit thiefs

Kaimick.5109:

No thieve Invisibility is not an issue, it is only an issue of people that can’t grasp the concept of combating against it properly.

Now with that said, most of my post are not complaining about anything other than people wanting to make this game into another World of Warcraft or any other countless MMO’s.

lastly you missed my point is your creating another topic of something that has been said time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again ( you see what I did there?) Post on one of the many other threads about this exact same issue.

LOL at Onshidesigns.1069

Ok so as a hunter I have one AOE and that is my barrage which has a 24 second cooldown 30 if you don’t have points in it which is the only thing I can hit a thief with except if I am using my number 2 ability on my longbow right before he stealths it still hits him other than that as a hunter I can’t hit a thief when they are invis. When I fight a thief and they are invis my pet just stands there and doesn’t attack (pets suck anyways) Sure you want me to AOE ok then give perma arrow barrage so I can still hit a stealthed thief and watch the complaints pile up on a hunter.

As a warrior I have no problems because I can still hit a thief when he is invis by swinging my sword in all directions. Play a hunter and see how you fair against a thief with invis that you can’t target. Again there should never be a “I can target and hit you but you can’t hit me”

Further a hunter is suppose to be kinda sneaky where is their “stealth”

You miss the part that this is a “suggestions” forum and I put up a suggestion. I clicked your name and read a couple of your posts and if you think i’m just complaining maybe you should look at your posts. Anyhow I should be able to post any suggestions I like in this forum if you don’ like them don’t read them. The reason you see so many posts about them is because this IS an issue and I feel I have a decent “suggestion”

Kaimick.5109:

OMG use Search feature this QQ comes up about 6 times a week. How about people just learn to fight against stealth and stop making new threads about stealth

OMG did you even read it?

Every game that has made an “invis” class always has issues. I think thiefs need high evade not invis/stealth. Make them hard to hit, its such a generic thing for a thief class that somehow they must always be invis and it has caused alot of issues on the game side.

If you don’t want to get rid of invis/stealth maybe these 2 options

Here is a thought that I think would be cool is during the night the thief goes translucent and if they stopped moving at night would be almost invisible (but could still be targeted just very hard to see) until they moved again. He could be targeted while moving as well just hard to see maybe even dim his name above his head so that its very hard to see them (at night only) until they are very close if they are moving. This could also be used in dark areas around cliffs or in dungeons or any area with shadows.

You could have a skill that throws down a smokescreen that gives the same night time effect while the thief is in it he looks translucent and if he stops moving he will look invis. These are just 2 thoughts. Allow them to still be targeted but make them hard to see so you don’t know exactly where they are.

I feel there should never be a “i can hit you but you can’t hit me because i’m invis” or “I can target you but you can’t target me because i’m invis” type of deal (to OP) but if you play a thief class you should be hard to hit however I should still be able to target and hit you as well.

Nosferatu.8763:

So wait.. (to start off..this isn’t to start a fight) but..from what i’m reading is that a public forum, one that anyone has the free right to express feelings and talk to other people on is apparently “not allowed” by Devona’s rest, also that we cannot express our own feelings on what other people are expressing their feelings on? seems kind of childish in my opnion.. but hey, whatever.

Nosferatu as you can see of course it is a free public forum I can’t stop anyone from posting. The reason I had started this thread was because of the BS that was going on in the thread from DR fighting over who should get the credit for your wins and I was tired of reading it so I made this thread and also make a joke of it at the same time.

Also don’t reply this is no DR thread

Well I guess i’ll go try out darkfall when it comes out on Dec 12th. Anet you guys have alot of issues you need to work out and you don’t seem to understand.

Lord Rhett.9360:

Maybe I’m wrong, but isn’t retreating from the front lines to heal actually a legitimate, even intelligent strategy?

lol ok sure retreating from the front lines when its 5 vs 1?

@sumwun haha I would call what I posted “reaching”

wow and then Anet goes and removes the post haha nice

SpaceLord.4590:

I am not sure. I didn’t join until about 3 weeks ago and they were already on DR. I by no means am a guild officer so not sure what/if they have tried.

I’m just the weird little Asura that stays in WvW and likes Beer lol

hehe beer is always good