Guild Wars 2

BT were always sub par – merely bolstered by offpeak pvdoor zergs. T4 is about right.

MarzAttakz.9608:

How do you expect us to focus on Vizunah when you SFR are pushing us at the same time, please don’t bother with your maths lesson. If you think we’re going to sit back and let you play fiddle then you’re mistaken. So congrats to you both on putting us were we “deserve” to be. The day will come when VS and Deso put aside our longstanding enmity and put you back where you belong.

Strange as I spent a lot of the afternoon chasing the same failsquad of EXG off SFR owned supply camps whilst viz was ravaging your territory….

Des have always had an overinflated view of their ability -nt as bad as BT mind you. They were truly awful.

Now lets just focus on hating Viz – yet to find a server with anything positive to say about them.

So lemme see then your advice is:

- don’t play bunker cos the thief can escape whenever he wants 9despite all thieves on here saying you have to stack defense)
- don’t play dps as the thief will kill you
- be able to dodge 7 or 8 times in a row
- stack multiple stun breakers

Anything else?

Oh yes – be a thief. cos thats the only way to consistantly kill or escape another thief.

Stop the bull. There’s noone left ingame who believes thieves aren’t severely overpowered.

Commence operation kick Viz into T2;p

Sick to death of near permanent invisibility, insane from invisibility 2s and dead burst, spinny spinny look i downed 6 people this time then vanished kitten, stomping from invisibility.

Listen in on open map chat – 9 out of 10 players hate and loath thieves as game breakingly overpowered.

Apparently though posting the 22k in 2s followed by another 11k from a total of four abilities is wrong.

Yes other games have got classes badly wrong but they’ve had the brains to fix them faster than this. i don’t give a rats kitten about snow – fix classes. Bring thieves down to a non game ruining level.

No more than 2 minutes ago.

Steal 7982
Backstab 14577

No im not a glass canon. Yes I’m in full exotics. Yes I am 80. And no none of the other excuses thieves try to use to justify the above apply.

This is ridiculous. Dead in 2 hits??? From an invisible opponent.

This has gone on too long ANET.

Oh and to finish me off:

6851 C&D
5646 heartseeker.

Like many now next half decent mmo and we’re gone.

It is well established that there are no depths to which Viz won’t sink in their campaign to try and appear to be a competant T1 server.

It became obvious when SFR hit T1 that Viz were not anywhere near as good as they like to believe.

And yet the most easy and overpowered in wvwvw – I wouldn’t expect much in the way of buffs anytime soon.

Daecollo.9578:

tagnut.8621:

Daecollo.9578:

tagnut.8621:

2 idiotic strawman arguments.

Stealth needs toning down massively – its virtually permanent and any thief with more than 2 fingers and half a brain can avoid taking any fire indefinitely. Once out of stealth you should not be able to restealth BY ANY MEANS for a minimum of 10s.

Then the revealed debuff should give at least 15%-33% Damage Reduction to compensate, and regeneration from stealing needs to be 15 seconds, not 5 seconds.

Thieves should also recieve more damage from traits to compensate as well, since our burst damage will be lower, traits that increase dagger damage should be increased by 10%, there should be a new trait that gives sword damage 10%, and another trait which gives all main hand weapons a 15% critical chance, much like warrior and guardian.

Thrill of the Crime should be raised to a 25 second buff, not a 10 second, to match other buffs of other classes. This gives thieves valuable group buffage.

Thieves should also get more access to “fury” (20% critical chance.) to compensate as well, like other classes.

No it shouldn’t – the point is the thief burst is too high, stealth is too strong and the thief has too many tools that are too effective. It should gain nothing and be reduced down to normal levels.

If you played a thief, you would know that nerfing stealth and nerfing burst is the same thing, less stealth and access to stealth would be less burst, way less burst.

Steal at 4-6k? CnD at 4-6k? heartseeker at 4-6k?

All need the damage reducing significantly.

Sick to death of imbalanced thieves ruining the game.

Severelyy overpowered – either bam you die in 2s before the thief can even be seen (and don’t give me any crap about toughness – that buys you an extra second – woohoo), or the current vogue for non stop stealth – visible for 2s, invisible for 5, visible for 2 and repeat indefinitely. And if the thief looks like dying – oh he just walks away. And if that gets boring why not go spinning through groups of players downing 5 plus then going invisible.

Its the no skill, no risk, no difficulty class.

Nerf the damage.

Nerf the hell out of stealth.

I’m incredulous that Anet has left this crap as it is for so long.

jiddo.8041:

tagnut.8621:

Benjamin.7893:

Well if you don’t like guardian or warrior you’re screwed, because it’s impossible to play anything other than a #1 masher with this much delay everywhere.

Welcome to the vizblob culling abuse strategy.

Haven`t had his problem while fighting vizunah, sfr on the other hand….

(a) With viz its a conscious exploit – you can watch them do it. Charge in invisibomb, pull out to beyond render range and repeat.

(b) Viz is sulking somewhat this week – most of their blob is away as they don’t like losing. Either that or mamon has made pierre go to bed and do his homework for a change.

OptimistPrime.9283:

tl;dr: Thieves are in no way OP. They are EXTREMELY annoying, I will agree. But if you learn how to actually combat them, they aren’t as extreme of an issue

Near constant stealth, high mobility, insane burst, spammable range + gap closers, multiple get out of jail free escapes.

Yeah so not overpowered……

The week they fix culling is when viz plummet like a stone down to to t3 or 4 – which is about their skill level.

Blob blob blob pvdoor pvdoor exploit exploit winnnz!

Victory.2879:

How’s the score at the moment? RL preventing me from logging on until later- did we overturn that 30k lead VS had after the first day or so?

Quote from VS above:

But for now , you really are our worst opponents (i mean your server ) and we hope desolation will come for kicking you out of there.
We had hope elona will help us to do that

Says it all, hope we can manage to beat you again this week, would that be 3 weeks on the trot being beaten by your ‘worst opponents’- which begs the question, if we are your worst opponents and you’re losing to us, what does that make you?

To those that enjoy the action without the drama, keep up the good work and win or lose we will know we had fun doing it!

Idd – SFR came up to T1 expecting to struggle based on the tales we’d heard. In reality Viz are not that good, and nowhere near as good as they like to think they are. ER are more skilled but tactically quite clueless.

Be interesting to see who comes back up. Desolation are competant but suffer from revolving door guilds. They’re no real threat though. BT were never any good – like Viz was all down to offpeak pvdoor teams. I suspect arbor’ll be back and Viz will add double teaming to their arsenal once again.

1. Culling – try generic placeholder models perhaps

2. Thieves – still the most ludicrous class ingame

3. Expiry timers on siege

Vroum.2906:

The flaw in your example is quite easy to spot :
assuming that in every servers in T1 (maybe T2) the % of active WvW players is equal

That’s not the case.

Because people gravitate to T1 + T2 servers for PVE…..

Less time spent trying to think up excuses Viz.

Qwixx.5923:

smitske.4912:

Qwixx.5923:

smitske.4912:

Qwixx.5923:

atai.1467:

Qwixx.5923:

1) 22-29 december -> http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/16/14
Best result for Vizunah for all 7 days id between Midnight and 7 am.

2) 15-22 december -> http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/16/13
4 nights of 7 (during the weekend SFR Owning the others 2 servers for 48 pratically).

3) 8-15 december -> http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/16/12
4 days best result is between Midnight and 8 am.

4) 1-8 December -> http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/16/11
The beginning of nightcapping

Bytheway this game is 24×7 with no limitation for Geographic area or Language (in SFR there are some French/German/Spanish Guilds) so if you want to discuss on nightcapping and NA guilds do not discuss the game but the rules.

See ya on battlefields you will find me with [OSC] tag

This is valid for the local time of the ladder and EU players, but now i’ll let you look over your US and RU players:

- US primetime: US EST 6pm to 12am (CET 00H00-06H00/03H00-09H00).
- US nighttime: US EST 12am to 6am (CET 06H00-12H00/09H00-15H00).
- RU primetime: RU MSK 6pm to 12am (CET 15H00-21H00).
- RU nighttime: RU MSK 12am to 6am (CET 21H00-03H00).

Also you complain about russians, a part of russia is in Europe so technically they could be European (as in continent) players too. Since they don’t have russian servers its only logical they play at the european servers.

I’m not saying they aren’t, but two timezones is already an advantage, then three…
So please, stop talking about our nightscaping whereas you have this huge advantage over us…

You are the one whining whole the time and saying its unfair, stop whining when you lose and stop accusing others of pvdooring etc because it is what you do yourself. If you keep whining the nightcapping arguements to counter you will stay. Your nightcapping was also a huge advantage against others, does not mean it is not fair.

We whine out something worthwhile.
Nightscaping is part of the game, whereas a multi timezones is a misuse of rules.
You have this huge advantage over us, and the only thing you find to reply is our nightscaping ? LMAO.

Nowhere does it say multi time zones are a misuse of the rules. Nowhere.

The only post you’ll find is one stating where the datacentres are based.

Poor frenchies – don’t like a taste of their own medicine. Still thats what comes from a mediocre server with a large nightcapping crowd…..

lol there was some discussion in map chat last night about how much whining Viz would throw up on the forums….

Basically when nightcapping suits viz its fine, when it doesn’t its soooooo unfair. Interestinglt there was no shortage of vizblob last night – just for once there were sufficient sfr and er to counter them. Oh noes the doors fought back…..

Faunus.3647:

tagnut.8621:

tita.6358:

Europe United !
go Elona! Go Vizunah!
just go back home PRX!

Vizblobs don’t like challenge.

If Anet ever fix culling viz will plumet down the tiers like a stone – only advantage they have is huge invisizergs.

Cause you are a challenge ? Playing as RUIN did is not a challenge , sorry to disappoint you.

General consensus amongst sfr players vs the vizblob is they are terrible, but an invisible 50 man blob of terribles will run over you if you can’t see it coming.

tita.6358:

Europe United !
go Elona! Go Vizunah!
just go back home PRX!

Vizblobs don’t like challenge.

If Anet ever fix culling viz will plumet down the tiers like a stone – only advantage they have is huge invisizergs.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Stay together in a tight ball if your party is getting struck.

Spam ground targetted AoE on self (Usually thieves like to sit right next to you when they are stealthed)

Spam Melee weapon skills only in case of daggerstorm.

AoE heals help, Aegis helps. Anticipation of the backstab and dodge rolling away from it helps.

Thieves are not OP. Its just only few people know how to kill them.

I swear most of the time players scream at their monitor saying “whats going on?” instead of taking a chill pill and actually pay attention. You should know what the thief can do , and know that continuous dps destroys a thief. Don’t waste time sitting there throwing up boons. Just lay down your ground target aoe and watch him run away.

The only thief that can get away from this is a pistol/pistol thief that uses unload. Most WvW thieves are Shortbow with D/D.

Also players, don’t stare at your skill bar while in combat. This is PvP action combat, not turn based.

So what you’re saying is to beat 1 thief you need half a dozen people, immobile, spamming aoe and heals in the hope of beating 1 perma invisible godmode thief.

Not to make it too simple for you but do you not see the glaring imbalance there?

Karolis.4261:

Your are so full of kittens Every class can burst as hard or harder as GC thief does. Yes im a thief and no im not a GC thief and never will play one, but im still defending it. Im running with 21.5 k hp in www and engineer managed to burst me down to 2 k hp or so in 2 seconds, no stealth required. No thief managed to do that on me yet. So iIsay … NURF engineers too, couse they can burst. But w8 a seconds … I have witnessed glass warrior doing same on me in mass pvp when i simply didnt see him comming, mesmer too and a ranger ( yes a ranger, class so broken it does no damage at all ( well apparently it does) ). Well just nurf them all then. I bet most of ppl crying about geting 1 shot by thieves dont even have single piece of exotics on them and go full glass cannon, couse doing damage ( which they dont do couse the ydont have the good enough gear) is cool But thats just my gues

I don’t think any of that was in any way true was it?

And just to continue a theme – ANET please nerf the thief down to normal levels like 99% of the population want.

Choko.6821:

This week is funny new Seafarers random that I don’t know seems to play really weaks and being victim of BT players who I used to kill them 100 % when I was on guild with just 3 or 4 man, those guys was on riverside sitting on camp or sitting on certain traps. Now to boot those people are around 15 and can’t do anything except for dead unless I come for help and interupt their tactic.

I’m sure some of that was in English….

The real irony being Viz are the biggest nightcappers out – seems they don’t like any form of challenge or their own medicine.

Aratoa.7398:

tagnut.8621:

Maugetarr.6823:

tagnut.8621:

Yes the usual rebuttal is:

dodge 17 times
perma spam aoe all round you and pray

Thief is the game breaker – its severely overpowered. Drop its burst by half and it’d still be strong. As it is now its nonsense.

(And to reverse your position – do the 1 post count and you’d have the same 5 or 6 thieves who want godmode to remain desperately fighting a rearguard don’t nerf me campaign)

No, the rebuttal is eat heartseekers while above 50%, put AoEs on yourself, and dodge heartseekers under 50%. Snare and spike, and always keep swinging. Its not as if thieves never fight each other, and if you read through the forums or ask for advice on how to take down a thief, you will find earnest advice on how to deal with the class.

And that might work if it werent for the fact that the thief then disappears at will.

So lemme see – let him knock me down to 9-10k health.
HS – dodge
HS – dodge
Note – im dodging – he’s taking no damage whilst I’m dodging
I’m out of dodges
HS – 6k
HS – dead

Should I get a few lucky shots in and worry him – poof, vanish, 4-5s he’s back at full health and BAM I’m dead.

The only counter to a thief is another thief. That has to tell you something is badly wrong.

If the only counter to a thief is another thief, why do plenty of non-thief players keep posting about defeating thieves with ease? And in the scenario that you present, are you doing nothing to counter the thief? no attacks? knockdowns? invulns… anything beyond dodging?

Those would be thief players with alts running the ‘dont nerf my godmode class’ defence.

Thieves are gamebreaking. Its mind boggling that 1000s of posts of complaints exist about thieves (nothing anywhere close about any other class) and yet ANET are making a critically bad mistake in not properly addressing it.

No weakness.
Massive damage.
Invisibility at will.
Grossly overpwered

I’ve come to the conclusion that the only reason viz wins on points is the ludicrous number of unemployable french teenagers they can field offpeak. It sure as hell isn’t ability – lost count of the number of times a massive viz zerg has gone down to a much smaller sfr force this week.

Maugetarr.6823:

tagnut.8621:

Yes the usual rebuttal is:

dodge 17 times
perma spam aoe all round you and pray

Thief is the game breaker – its severely overpowered. Drop its burst by half and it’d still be strong. As it is now its nonsense.

(And to reverse your position – do the 1 post count and you’d have the same 5 or 6 thieves who want godmode to remain desperately fighting a rearguard don’t nerf me campaign)

No, the rebuttal is eat heartseekers while above 50%, put AoEs on yourself, and dodge heartseekers under 50%. Snare and spike, and always keep swinging. Its not as if thieves never fight each other, and if you read through the forums or ask for advice on how to take down a thief, you will find earnest advice on how to deal with the class.

And that might work if it werent for the fact that the thief then disappears at will.

So lemme see – let him knock me down to 9-10k health.
HS – dodge
HS – dodge
Note – im dodging – he’s taking no damage whilst I’m dodging
I’m out of dodges
HS – 6k
HS – dead

Should I get a few lucky shots in and worry him – poof, vanish, 4-5s he’s back at full health and BAM I’m dead.

The only counter to a thief is another thief. That has to tell you something is badly wrong.

Yes the usual rebuttal is:

dodge 17 times
perma spam aoe all round you and pray

Thief is the game breaker – its severely overpowered. Drop its burst by half and it’d still be strong. As it is now its nonsense.

(And to reverse your position – do the 1 post count and you’d have the same 5 or 6 thieves who want godmode to remain desperately fighting a rearguard don’t nerf me campaign)

So I’m heading back to SM from Klovan and come across a thief behind our lines jumping a mesmer. There’s an elementalist just behind me. We pitch in with our guy.

Over 45 seconds of fight the thief restealths SEVEN times, and each time he reappears he’s back at full health. We get a few seconds of target time but then no off he pops again and reappears at full health. After 45 seconds he decides he’s not getting a kill this time and vanishes off freely into the distance.

Broken overpowered class in desperate need of a whole lot of nerfing.

Cue 30 pages of VS hypocritical whining.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

tagnut.8621:

NightyNight.1823:

tagnut.8621:

I have no idea how much health he had – but he happily walked in (invisible ofc) dropped one guy to downed, went invisible again (ofc) we started to aoe and rez and stomp – then ofc he went invisible again.

because ofc the godmode invisible insane damage class is perfectly fine /rolleyes.

Noone in this game thinks thieves are balanced – fix it ANET before its too late.

If he managed to drop down a guy in the middle of a group ,he’s deffo à glass cannon so yes 10k hp and 900 toughness.And he walked away? You’re a joke lol .What do you know about game breaking stuff.Stop raging and learn how to play.

This is the thief mentality – keep throwing up bs in the hope godmode isn’t removed.

I’ve taken 12k backstabs
6-8k cnds
8k steals
6k heartseekers
watched thieves dance into the middle of groups, grab kills and escape unscathed

And still there are idiots like above who bluster that its fine. Its not. Its far from fine.

This is the nerfer mentality. Keep spouting BS by calling thief god mode. And still there are idiots like this one who bluster that it is broken without offering real proof.

12k backstab
6-8k cnd
8k steal
6k heartseeker
invisibility on demand

Nuff said. It needs nerfing.

Hate to rain on your parade but you don’t need to be good to play a thief…..

99% of thief players are the average to poor playing an overpowered class and thinking they’re good.

NightyNight.1823:

Wane.4358:

Only issue I have is the Over Powered backstab. My p/d thief has just over 20k hp, and was downed in under 2 seconds. Not my idea of a fight. Stealth is fine and doesnt need to be touched. Just need the backstab build needs to be looked at and balancing.

And yet another strong argument to prove BS’s OP’ness.
Didn’t you realised already, your oppinions alone are meaningless?

You know your op’d lil ezmode toy is going to get nerfed again – you’re just running desperate interference to try and minimise it. Hope its a big one.

NightyNight.1823:

tagnut.8621:

I have no idea how much health he had – but he happily walked in (invisible ofc) dropped one guy to downed, went invisible again (ofc) we started to aoe and rez and stomp – then ofc he went invisible again.

because ofc the godmode invisible insane damage class is perfectly fine /rolleyes.

Noone in this game thinks thieves are balanced – fix it ANET before its too late.

If he managed to drop down a guy in the middle of a group ,he’s deffo à glass cannon so yes 10k hp and 900 toughness.And he walked away? You’re a joke lol .What do you know about game breaking stuff.Stop raging and learn how to play.

This is the thief mentality – keep throwing up bs in the hope godmode isn’t removed.

I’ve taken 12k backstabs
6-8k cnds
8k steals
6k heartseekers
watched thieves dance into the middle of groups, grab kills and escape unscathed

And still there are idiots like above who bluster that its fine. Its not. Its far from fine.

I have no idea how much health he had – but he happily walked in (invisible ofc) dropped one guy to downed, went invisible again (ofc) we started to aoe and rez and stomp – then ofc he went invisible again.

because ofc the godmode invisible insane damage class is perfectly fine /rolleyes.

Noone in this game thinks thieves are balanced – fix it ANET before its too late.

Noooo of course thieves aren’t overpowered /rolleyes

I haven’t watched thieves (solo) multiple times this morning jump into groups, burst one person down, vanish and stomp whilst we’re aoeing and rezzing. noooo that never happens.

And one thief hasnt just kept valley contested by tagging and chain vanishing over and over for 20 minutes . noo that cant happen – that would be overpowered.

Fix this stupid game breaking kitten class ANET. Yes game breaking.

S’funny. SFR goes to sleep some time after midnight a couple of thousand ahead and wakes up to find viz have a 10K lead.

That plus calling in reinforcements from other servers plus the spies – not a lot of respect for Viz atm…..

Viz will do anything – including last minute server transfers, nightcapping like crazy, spying and outright cheating to try and win.

Its fine as is.

If you want to play silly grossly imbalanced spvp and get pointless pretty pretties for it do so, but wvwvw is a different animal.

No the ‘fix culling’ is the latest defence from overpowered thieves.

Yes fix it AND reduce the ease and amount of times a thief can stealth AND remove the bonus damage/spammability of HS AND reduce the damage on CnD, steal, backstab etc.

Too much of everything. its silly. We all knew it was silly at launch and months later its still silly.

Heartseeker hits me for 4.8k
Heartseeker hits me for 6k

over 50% health gone in two fast spammable gap closing attacks.

overpowered ezmode class.

How many 1000s of posts till you fix it ANET?

Qwixx.5923:

Minfast.5489:

VS deserve the most respect as a server. They have maintained their T1 status from week 1 and continue to push for T1 victories. Their achievements far outweigh yours.

and this without any external assistance by US/RU players.
:>

Just lots of unemployable french nightcappers instead. Good ole VS – zerging and sulking since day 1.

Absurd class.

i just ate an 8k steal and an 8k cnd.

What utter nonsense.

So surely it would be fine for all ranged classes to gain a fast spammable, no cooldown attack that does 4k per hit and jumps you back out of melee range each time? Oh and it can be used without a target so doubes as an escape mechanism.

Sorry – you say that sounds like a bad idea?

Utterly utterly ridiculous overpowered class…….

Usual thief fight again.

Stealth – stabby stabby and stealth again before any response
Stabby stabby – stealth again
Stabby stabby and stealth
Heartseker spam spam spam till dead

80% of any fight invisible and untargetable

Anet wake the hell up – no other class has over 1000 posts of complaints about how ludicrous it is.

I took a look at des and BT back in the one day transfer days. DEs seemed OK but BT were really quite poor back then – despite moving up the ladder and winning on points they seemed to spend most of their time losing engagements and winning purely from off peak coverage.

I had assumed they’d improved on reaching T1.

Now I’m not so sure……

My ranger has 19.5k health.

About 2 mins ago:

BAM 6.somethingk C&D
BAM 12.somethingk Backstab

I’m on the floor before the thief is even visible. No other class can do this – thief still needs a significant nerf.

Oh and lets not forget stomping whilst stealthed – also needs to be removed.

Its funny. Any other class can spec any other way and have a reasonable chance of beating any other class – but for some strange reason every other class has to spec a specific way to beat a thief.

Its overpowered as hell guys – give it up its going to get nerfed more.