Guild Wars 2

I saw the funniest thing in EB like an hour ago, and I thought I would share before I go do other stuff.

People from JQ claiming to be in EMP were running the jump puzzle and asking for siege donations. The JQ commander on the map (who is in a different guild) brought the whole zerg (of like 40~) into the puzzle and took all the siege. Then the EMP people freaked out because someone other than them was getting the siege, namely the guy bothering to do WvW and lead in EB, unlike their guild, who was simply taking up space and not helping us at all as we were being pushed back to our keep and losing all our stuff.

The beginning of the end for JQ!?!

You decide.

5-7 people could rush 3 catas and destroy them before dieing if there were 20 attackers!

Fixeon.5076:

Is JQ really running a karma train? just wiped 30+ up leveled at SoR north camp…..

JQ already won, didn’t you get the memo?

NightTrace.6073:

Here is what I have experienced so far:
If SoR doesn’t play PPT we’re “doing it wrong” and “don’t deserve to be in T1”.

If SoR plays the PPT game we’re “unsportsman like” and “to blame” for BGs lackluster performance this week.

Everyone gets mad when they lose. Especially when they all transfer off a #1 server to be #3.

NightTrace.6073:

If Choo is in the game? We’re jerks/etc/etc, and forum posts get made.

If Choo responds on the forums? We’re jerks/etc/etc and more posts get made.

Ya, stop being jerks and just quit already so we can call you jerky quitters.

NightTrace.6073:

To me, this kind of “have it both ways” approach is obviously unrealistic and I suppose I could chalk it up to a fail troll failing, but here’s me trying again to move past the silly.

In your thought what is the ideal situation for the current T1 Servers (IE: no Kaineng should be T1 QQ)?

The ideal situation in my mind is for SOR to move all its WvW guilds onto JQ, and then for all the hardcore WvW guilds of tier 2 to unite on Kaineng so we can have truely epic fights.

NightTrace.6073:

What do you think the problem is without resorting to straw man arguments, novice level trolling, or other sillyness?

The problem is that no one likes you(r guild), and they will say anything to discredit you, lol, it should be pretty obvious.

Inso.2195:

wish.3102:

My favorite part of that GvG tonight, was the guardian who thought he was tough and tried to fight the thf, then the thf dominated him so bad his whole guild had to come over and save him.

Also after that when said thf proceeded to get 70+ agg kills with only 3 deaths as revenge for them being so petty.

Special shout out to FEAR, I hope you continue to interrupt GvG matches, as I enjoy fighting people.

I watch that gvg from stream for a while, when EMP is preparing for the next round there is 2 non EMP refuse to go away even after being asked politely by EMP members and then the following conversation began:

EMP 1 : non EMP leave please
EMP 2: pug1 and pug2 please leave
EMP3: pug1 please be nice and leave
pug1: i want to do www and if this the only thing peoples doing right now then i wont leave
EMP4: oh well, i guess we better tell them to add 2 pugs

And then 1 Agg guardian come and start to attacking that “pug1” (JQ random thief with TNO tag) the thief retaliate and alot more Agg came to deal with that thief as well

Now if you were that thief from TNO guild please dont do that kind of thing again, what you do is very annoying to everyone over there including your fellow server mates im sure (notice the EMP guys do nothing to save you while you were being attacked by a bunch of Agg) and to the spectators as well. Well this apply to everyone out there actually, interrupting and create annoyance when a good and fair gvg match is being held is just wrong…

I find it more disrespectful when theres only like 15 people trying to save your garrison on your home BL map, when you own like nothing else, to take the only orgainized group in WvW who could have easily taken garrison back/defended it, and go do some lame GvG fights, and not even allow the people who want to play in on the action.

Good thing I could participate anyway, regardless of what others said or did. It was a short run back for those 70 or so bags I got from AGG and the 200 from other SOR/SOB people.

EDIT: EMP#4 in your statement was actually PUG#1 or me. The TNO (SSD) thief.

wondo.2870:

I think what Talentless was trying to say, but it came out wrong is that players from SoR tend to run from 1v1’s or small engagements and stick to their large groups even if the odds are fairly balanced.

OMG I totally agree with this. Every freakin time I find anyone from SOR alone I have to chase them half way across a freakin map to kill them. Like this guardian from CHOO, I chased her from outside hills all the way to this supply camp before she stopped, and the only reason she did is because some Ele from JQ showed up and knocked her down. Stop running from 1v1s please.

My favorite part of that GvG tonight, was the guardian who thought he was tough and tried to fight the thf, then the thf dominated him so bad his whole guild had to come over and save him.

Also after that when said thf proceeded to get 70+ agg kills with only 3 deaths as revenge for them being so petty.

Special shout out to FEAR, I hope you continue to interrupt GvG matches, as I enjoy fighting people.

Honestly I havent even seen PRX doing much of anything recently. I saw their guild like once last week, and once this week, I don’t think it will be much different from how it is now when they leave or whatever. JQ doesn’t have as many people NA afternoon time as our competition, and we have the outmanned buff up on 3 of 4 maps NA night time. Which BTW, is when BG PVDoors us and gets most of it’s points while complaining about FOO and uses them as an excuse for why they lose.

OMG it’s like 35 gold to list this thing on the trading post… I dont have enough….

I’m making this post to say Thank You to the BG or SOR guy who dropped me a Dusk while I was in WvW, I didn’t even notice when I picked it up. I was just selling junk and there it was, lol.

I wasn’t really defending my server, just saying that if what you said is true than I’d have to agree with you. To anyone on BG , if you see them again, feel free to message me in game and I will go get their character names/account names/whatever so we can out them as cheaters and hopefully get them out of the JQ community. I know I speak for a majority of JQ when I say we don’t want cheating trash on our server or in our game in general.

Veritas.4792:

Fully repaired walls + gates and completely sweeped hours ago.. :O

No guild tags this time also..

Well this is strange.

How else did you guys get in?

People say they sweep towers/keeps all the time when I’m still hiding in them, I find that comment to be laughable. BUT if it had really been “hours” since you took it back, and no gates/walls were down, I would definitely call shenanigans on JQ, and I really hope people on my server aren’t resorting to exploiting into towers/keeps to take them. I really don’t think anyone has the ability to sit inside a keep/tower for 3+ hours doing nothing but spamming invisible skills waiting for that chance to take it… That is beyond ridiculously boring, I can barely do it for 30 minutes before I get bored and start looking to kill people and cause trouble so I can have a fun Monty Python moment.

I remember this one time I got into a 1v3 against some players, and I killed 2, and was working on the last one when 2 more showed up to help. I killed 2 more and right when I downed the last guy, and was ready to stomp, and was feeling super amazing with myself… I got run over by their zerg because I wasn’t paying attention and died. I felt like such a tool at that point, lol.

There’s a difference between “forced off the map” and “everyone got tired and went to sleep an hour before you even thought about coming back to take lake and hills.”

I like where this thread is going, so let me ask….
It’s been 2 weeks since SOS moved to BG to keep losing, will it only take 2 more weeks for them to go somewhere else, or will it take a bit longer?

Haldunius.7864:

Want T1 to be fun? Stop recruiting to JQ and have some people leave the server…eez naht hrd maths.

As for this, I recall people volunteering to leave JQ, if someone else paid for their transfers. No one took those players up on that offer, so stop complaining about it.

Adaneshade.2409:

wish.3102:

ensoriki.5789:

It’s only a nerf if you sit your kitten spamming Cloak and Dagger.
If you’re actually playing the game you’ll rarely notice it.

Using CnD spam as an offhand dagger thief is the only way to effectively wear down eles and mesmers and make them burn through their cool downs so you can actually kill them. Getting revealed no matter how stealth drops is going to make every thief die to every mesmers clone exploding invincible sword stab bullcrap insta-death move. And also going to make fighting bunker eles impossible. That’s exactly what this game needs, the removal of skill being a factor in whether or not you can win a fight.

NOT true. Wise use of infiltrator’s strike, and the occasional daze will destroy any mesmer. Most D/D ele’s rely on boon stacking which can be stopped easily with some good flanking strike use.

Sounds like people are still running the wrong armor and weapon sets in PvP…..

ya, hold on while I switch to sword and dagger or whatever the current bandwagon weapon set is.

Karolis.4261:

Cirax.9231:

This is a good change that won’t impact good thieves, and only the bad ones that rely on chain stealthing (repeated CnD on PvE mobs, blackpowder/HS spam).

So tahts what I said, this wont impact GC zerker 1 combo kill builds ( which you are refering as to “skilled thiefs”), but will fk up stealth builds that relly on CnD or Black powder/hs combo to survive till their next opening who are completally skilless compared to google copied gc zerker 1 combo thiefs. Yea, thats about it.

I would just like to point out that the perma stealth thief who fights groups of enemies is far more skilled than the guy who simply 1 shots 1-2 guys then hides and waits for all his cooldowns to come back.

All of SORs WvW community should move to JQ to fill in our NA afternoon/night time coverage gap, or team up with kaineng somehow to create a third tier 1 server.

Staff guardian in a big zerg.

LionZero.3479:

If one of your Illusions does damage then i also want your mes to be revealed out of stealth, it’s the same logic you apply on choking gas and caltrops as both are indirect damage.

Speaking of mesmers, when are all of us thieves going to get together and make 5000 threads talking about how clones are unfair because we can’t tell where the mesmer is, and it gives them an unfair advantage, and complain til clones are taken away? After that I say we should team up and go after guardians and rangers and their super protection buffs.

Eles can use mist form to stomp, engineers can go tiny and be completely untouchable to stomp, warriors and guardians can use stability to stomp. All of these are more powerful than invisible stomping.

Anyway, this isn’t going to fix the problem the whiners have with thieves. Want to know what’s going to happen now? Instead of relying on stealth to stay in a fight, every thief is simply going to run full out damage spec (which most don’t actually do right now) with shadow refugee. Fights against thieves are going to go like this: Thief uses Baskilisk venom and hits you from behind while you’re not looking then burns their burst cycle of CnD and backstab and then wastes all initiative on heartseeker. If at any point the person they are fighting stun breaks and moves away, they will drop shadow refugee and just leave. If the person they are fighting does not die, they will drop shadow refugee and leave. If someone else shows up mid fight, they will drop shadow refugee and leave. If anything at all happens that is not exactly as the the thief wants, they will drop shadow refugee and leave.

Do you all really think this is going to be better than having someone who will give you at least a chance to fight back even though theyre invisible 75% of it? It’s really not, this will be worse than before. Have you ever been hit by a true glass cannon thiefs skills? I do this once in awhile now, and I’ve dealt bunker classes damage of 25k+ in about 3 seconds. But anyway, if you hated thief before when theyd stay around to fight and wouldnt just crap on you in 3 seconds and kill you, just wait, cause it’s about to get a lot worse.

The only other option available to them is the sword/dagger perma stun lock build, I can’t wait to see the complaints about this one.

ensoriki.5789:

It’s only a nerf if you sit your kitten spamming Cloak and Dagger.
If you’re actually playing the game you’ll rarely notice it.

Using CnD spam as an offhand dagger thief is the only way to effectively wear down eles and mesmers and make them burn through their cool downs so you can actually kill them. Getting revealed no matter how stealth drops is going to make every thief die to every mesmers clone exploding invincible sword stab bullcrap insta-death move. And also going to make fighting bunker eles impossible. That’s exactly what this game needs, the removal of skill being a factor in whether or not you can win a fight.

ensoriki.5789:

Dasorine.1964:

So much for the “we wont be nerfing professions again”

A lot of this is going to not only cripple some thieves in pvp but many pve thieves.

Also the lack of stacking stealth makes shadow refuge useless, sure fixing being able to stack it via spamming attacks through a smoke fields maybe worthwhile doing, but stealth doesn’t last that long regardless and the majority of times of letting stealth fade and going back into it is for escape rather than assault in both pve and pvp.

If these changes go through without a LOT of discussion and some boost or things given back to us then I’ve lost all faith in ANET and their dirty dirty lies.

Watch the interview.
Hear when they say they want thieves to be better in team fights and think we are too weak in that department.
Hear where they say we could probably remove more boons.
Hear where they say our mobility should be better and Eles are doing our job.

Buffs are coming our way, they’re just reducing the cheese.

Ya, and those changes won’t be in this update. So THF is officially craptier.

Ironvos.9014:

If this does indeed happen and thieves start dropping dead everywhere cause they can’t chainstealth and can’t abuse culling anymore, i sure hope they wait about 6 months aswell before buffing the thief

That sounds like a good way to lose whatever percentage of your player base plays THF.

Forestgreen.7981:

A Sorry, there’s a reason why no one calls a thief broken in sPvP and broken in WvW.

So with culling fixed in this update as well, you agree that this nerf to THF is going to far right? Because it will be just like sPVP.

It’s a terrible change. I hope they change their mind.

Nerfing mug, always revealed when stealth drops, all while adding nothing. This after the food nerf so it’s much harder to stay alive. I imagine I will be quitting GW2. Which is kinda sad, but what’s the point when my kitten as kitten class that can only do 1 thing well keeps getting nerfed, and now can’t even do that one thing anymore.

muekung.2518:

Grithan Soulforge.5726:

Hey. That’s a really great idea. How much do you think it would cost?

1.2k – 2k golds :P

I think we could do it.

Virtsuoso.9761:

But we love SoR! JQ+SoR vs BG+SoS, seems fair to me!

We should raise funds for those SOR guilds to move to JQ to fill up our NA afternoon/night coverage gap.

ComeAndSee.1356:

So what happened to that enthusiasm last week from BG? They came in hard, riding JQ day and night without compassion and this week they’ve waned off a lot. There was a lack of guilds on the field yesterday during US prime time and I saw JQ with 400 score numerous times.

I just want to now what happened to Froduu. He stopped showing up in JQ LA and using map chat for hours on end to kitten talk JQ. It kind of makes me sad that he would let a little thing like seaofblackgates losing deter his efforts to convince JQ that they’re bad at PVP.

I disagree with you all, this is an amazing idea. NPCs (necromancer pets) are not affected by skill lag, players are. Moving 700 minions onto any group of people of a relatively decent size will lock up the servers completely and the players will not be able to do anything except maybe auto-attack once every 5 seconds. Even if the minions are stupid and don’t do a lot of damage, they don’t need to, because it will almost be like fighting a wall that doesn’t fight back. My money is on TEAMnecro.

Trikki.5803:

I can’t wait to see Kaineng in T1 after a couple of weeks of practice if they can field even numbers.

Me too, it should provide some extra fun those mornings I wake up and play with FOO. We should get SOR to team up with us and push BG back down to T2 so we can get Kaineng up in T1. I wonder who I would need to talk to about that to make it happen…

DivineBeing.2086:

Not to put a damer on your argument but you know the new culling system they implemented displays enemies first THAN your allies right? So the even numbers you see in your screenshot is only showing a fraction of your allies present :o.

I was under the impression it displays the 25 closest of each. Unless theres less than that of one of them. So like if there were 20 enemies and 30 allies youd see everyone, but if there was 50 of each youd see 25 of each. Don’t ask me why I think this though, I don’t want to have to go read through old interviews and things. Also, I know how many people were with FOO, an entire BL Q minus like 10. Cause I had to sit in a Q for like 5 minutes before I could join the map when I switched to my Guardian. If thats not close to what SOB had, I’m sorry, but I know you had at least 50.

Vash.9183:

You really seem to have something you want to defend. If you’re so satisfied with your server, then why are you on here boasting?

Showing SS’s of even numbered fights is not boasting, it’s showing proof of an incorrect argument. I’m sorry you can’t handle it.

Vash.9183:

Stop talking about BG as a whole when you were just facing one group at one particular time.

I was talking about that one specific time this morning, when we took your hills, bay and garrison, not your entire server 24/7. Maybe you should try to not take things so personally.

Vash.9183:

And for christ’s sake, stop talking about transfers.

Sea of Blackgates is abbreviated SOBs, I’m sure you can see how this funny. Especially since most of the people in those SS’s I posted are from SOS. Got a problem with that? Get over yourself. If you’re ashamed of the fact that SOS moved to BG to compete with JQ maybe you should move to another server. One of my punk rock life mottos is that if you’re ashamed of something, you shouldn’t be doing it. You should be more punk rock.

Vash.9183:

I’m sure Jade Quarry didn’t just magically have the numbers that they have… they came from other servers looking for a better WvW home as well.

I’m sure they did, and thats why people call it Jade Queue or whatever, even though there’s really never much of Q if any anywhere. You gonna yell at the people from your server who say JQQ or Jque too? Or are you just overly defensive about your own server?

Vash.9183:

I hate to have to point my finger at some other server, but we didn’t receive any crap on the forums from Kaineng or Tarnished Coast when we were dominating them.

I love how you say this like you’re winning. You’re not dominating JQ, you’re losing to us. How’s second place feel? Glad you jumped ship to stay #2 even though most of JQ is busy farming PVE instead of being in WvW?

Vash.9183:

I don’t know why some people are surprised at the tension in this forum when you have posters like the one I have quoted above.

I was nice to everyone until you started with posts like this, now I’m being a jerk to you because you started with me because you’re overly sensitive. Someone on SOB should get this guy a shovel so he can clean all that sand out.

EDIT: You wouldn’t happen to be Froduu would you? I’m sure everyone on JQ remembers him. I wonder why he’s strangely disappeared though….

Distaste.4801:

and more people will quit the game.

Colin Johanson actually said player numbers are going up. Quit being such a pessimist! Personally I’m just hoping badges can buy purple gear, and that removing culling doesn’t make my PC lock up or lag while I play.

Xsorus.2507:

Dual.8953:

Xsorus.2507:

Dual.8953:

PolishSausage.1279:

How do you make it less effective for escaping? Make it so revealed kicks in no matter what. This would make permastealth impossible because the thief will have to wait 3 seconds no matter what.
Another option is to shorten stealth which would make permastealth much harder to maintain.

Another thing to consider is the possibility of adding diminishing returns to stealth duration when spamming stealth moves. In this case, the actual stealth duration would be shorter and shorter with each use until the Thief essentially cannot stealth at all. In theory, this could not only discourage permastealthing, but make Thieves commit to a fight more, and save stealth either for attack setups, or as an actual emergency tool as it was intended, instead of just a spammable reset button.

If a thief is constantly stealth attacking it means they’re staying in the fight. Adding diminishing returns repeated stealth attacking would punish S/D and P/D for existing and encouage thieves to go for the backstab burst setup, pooling all their power into an insta-gib then running away to reset. Spamming stealth to stay in combat isn’t resetting. Doing hit and runs is resetting.

Who says Cloak and Dagger has to stealth you, and that Stealth should be the only way to give you an opener?

What if Cloak and Dagger just allowed you to use your Opener from out of Stealth?

Then S/D would have little to no sustain, no burst (well it already has no burst) and be completely inferior to S/P in control. P/D would be P/P without Unload, Headshot or BlackPowder, aka: everything that makes P/P useable.

It’s be the same as right now..Except you wouldn’t be invisible.

So since it gives you your ‘in stealth’ attack, you’re ok with condition thieves using this to get 25 stacks of bleeding on you for 120+ damage a tick each in under 3 seconds then running away from you while you bleed out in the next 3 seconds right? Cause thats whats gonna happen.

The revealed debuff is what prevents this. Your solution creates as many problems as it solves.

Trikki.5803:

Only thing about Teir I really don’t like is being hit by a 60+ person Oceanic/SEA JQ PVDoor zerg you can’t do anything to stop, kinda takes the fun out of it. Surely its not fun for you guys just rolling everything with no threat apart from a group that is half or less than your number.

Ok lets make a deal, you stop attacking us with your massive zergs when we’re undermanned, (night time-early morning EST, and in the middle of the day EST) and we’ll quit rolling over your Oceanics when they actually have even numbers.

EDIT: It can be hard to see here, but to me it really looked like an even fight, sea of blackgates was just very spread out and got crushed. Beyond what appeared to me to look like an even fight, is the fact that these mostly Merc and ND people actually charged the FOO crew 3 or 4 times in the 3~ hours I played this morning. Which leads me to believe they actually thought they could win, so they must of had decently even numbers. But regardless of that, these people had more than enough numbers wise to hold onto a fully upgraded garrison on their own BL map for more than 15 minutes I would think. FOO and crew didnt even try, they just dropped rams and crushed these guys and flipped garrison in about 15 minutes. It would of been less but you’d be amazed how many Warriors SOB fields that run that banner to res the keep lord.

Xsorus.2507:

Who says Cloak and Dagger has to stealth you, and that Stealth should be the only way to give you an opener?

What if Cloak and Dagger just allowed you to use your Opener from out of Stealth?

Because if CnD allowed you to use backstab, it would be useless because you would still have to get behind them for it to be useful. It would have to do more or it would break the class. So how about we just give it a 2 second immobilize instead of stealth, and it allows stealth skills to be used. Then you can be perma stunned by every THF and unable to move until you’re downed, instead of just not being able to see them. Since that is obviously unfair and broken, and CnD costs way to much initiative, in an effort to ballance it, how about we just lower the cost, make it cost 2 initiative, and all it does it trigger your “from stealth” skills. If this happened, condition damage thieves would crush you by applying 25 stacks of bleeding in about 3 seconds by spamming CnD > 1 > CnD > 1 > etc. since revealed is the only thing that prevents this currently.

Your solution would just make things worse, or make the skill completely useless.

selan.8354:

I think if you are hitting him u should see numbers and also u should be able to knock him out of stealth easier.

Quoting you for your cluelessness and pointing it out. Auto-attacks have different animations if you hit something, and you lose the ability to swap your skills if you hit something. It should of been readily apparent to you if you were hitting something or if the THF had ran off. You also can’t “knock THFs out of stealth.” If you are going to post, at least learn basic game mechanics.

PROTIP: If a THF appears and starts to fight you, then you don’t see it for a bit, if you can swap your skills, it ran off, if you can’t, it’s still there trying to fight you.

And I dont understand what all the hate on THF being able to run away from fights is about either. Mesmer, Elementalist (dagger/dagger the common build) and Warrior (greatsword and sword/warhorn, very common) all have a very easy time running from fights. That’s half the professions of the game. You guys need to get over it.

Xsorus.2507:

I hate it, this talent gets me killed more then anything else.

This, I hate it. I die to this trait more than anything else.

I’ll come on and talk to you about THF in WvW if you can’t find someone you like more, but I don’t do much PVE, and when I do it’s not on THF. I also don’t do much sPVP, only level 6, but I do seem to be in the top 3 players points wise every time I do it lol.

You and I have vastly different ideas of what a zerg is. Anyway, it’s always fun to watch others kill people.

Did you reset your skills and not put points back into the toughness line for the extra stealth duration minor trait?

TainoFuerte.8136:

There is no sensible discussion because Thieves are clearly all just better players than the rest.

I agree with this statement. Anyone who is smart/good at games and is having problems fighting one class in a PVP environment will naturally roll that class to learn how it works and how to counter it. I’m not saying they will all stick with it, but this is the solution good players will come to. Bad players on the other hand, will simply make threads on some forums and cry about how they can’t beat them and they need to be nerfed.

Thief is a very weak class, I have never lost a 1v1 to a THF on my WAR or GRD since leveling THF and learning how it works. Suck less and you will understand that stealth is fine, because THF is weak.

sostronk.8167:

I wouldn’t go as far as saying a Necro is a “hard counter”to a thief

I would. A good Necro is by far the hardest thing to fight on THF.

Rawnoodles.1398:

EMP: 5
Choo:4

Does this mean SOR won’t be running around talking about how theyre the best in the open field now? lol

I heard Tsym is moving to BG to drive all the other SOS guilds away.

So this is a WAR or ELE who got completely destroyed by a THF even though he had 2 friends with him and now he’s crying? funny.

Target the person you want to talk to, and type /invite or /join. If they also want to speak with you, this is how it’s done.

Just use the steal, cnd and bs combo on him, if he is at like half life after, just leave, if he’s almost dead pursue with autoattack and use heartseeker sparingly til it dies.

I agree, Kaineng you need to complete your journey to T1, on the Sanctum of Rall server. Please get everyone from your server to move there so we have 3 well stacked servers in T1, thanks.

Tell them to move to SOR and bring all of Kaineg with them.