Guild Wars 2

YuGiOh.4906:

I’ve never seen a Tash without that guild group, and I do a fair bit of roaming on your borderlands.

we actually have plenty of roamers, some are good, some less, but more to the point they’d be roaming on other borders, not much point camp flipping our own border.

YuGiOh.4906:

Truth be told, I was laughing my kitten off, not that it happened, but why you actually thought the need to kill someone not moving, maybe it was a practice run?

ahh, i will add to my list:

12) you are afk guy

which is back to my quoted post, why wouldn’t we kill you? and why not use group tactics? if you’re on our border, you’ll be camp flipping or harassing players. both of which makes you a bad guy, which we [the good guys] have to deal with.

as for the last point. the season happened. we all got matched up against ros, drakkar and dzagonur. instead of whining about it like everyone else we doubled our team size and tripled our roster, and even with this expansion [despite what the haters say] we still only run teams of ~15. while we were running we managed to stay competitive when the rest of the server gave up.

as to whether that will change, it’s doubtful, the other servers we fight will [and do] have guilds much larger then ours and wsr just doesn’t have any other means to deal with that. if that means we’re going the be the guild that vabbi’s hate on then fair enough, but keep in mind again, this is all you hating on us, not the other way around.

anyway, i’m done with the whole forum warrior thing, it makes playing against vabbi very unpleasant. i won’t be posting again.

well thank you for all your lovely insults, i’d love to pick flaws in what you just said more but it just doesn’t seem worth it. bare in mind i never insulted you, your server or your guild.

i miss the old vabbi community.

Los Re.4607:

You’re a joke guild because you’re in a no guild tier having absolutely no real purpose.

so are you.

Los Re.4607:

You’re a joke guild because i have seen roamers actually wipe you.

depending on context that may be true.

Los Re.4607:

You’re a joke guild because the only thing you know about rotation is just bring more pvt people.

doubtful give our roster size.

Los Re.4607:

The thing you don’t understand is that we can make a 10man group and wipe time after time your joke group.

a 10 man group isn’t too far off the team sizes we run, if you find us, go for it.

Los Re.4607:

As for the “welcome to pvp”, it really shows how much you know about pvp when you think pvp it’s 25vs5.

we have never run 25 people, also 25vs5 is still pvp.

Los Re.4607:

If you have some balls ingame and not only in forum you can bring your 5 best guys and have a PvP against us in the duel event. Believe me we will laugh our kitten off in ts when we stomp you.

at no point in my post did i claim to have balls, gvg-ing isn’t my thing, but again, if you find us, go for it.

is why we build the ballistas, just in case.

Sirendor.1394:

You forgot uplevel rangers. No mercy.

yes, in my haste to post i assumed “bear-bow” would cover up-scaled rangers, but i could be wrong. we will also kill up-scaled rangers.

Monkeymonger.9235:

@Tash: I know that my previous comment appeared to be a “lighthearted jest”, but since i won’t be on vabbi for much longer, let’s try it with a bit less passive aggressiveness:
You are a joke. My favorite part was when you veiled on a solo roamer who was fighting a sentry.

i’m not really sure why using invis for a roamer makes us a joke, but in light of this [and because we’ll probably be seeing much more of vabbi and fow after the season] i thought i’d share a friendly guide of when [TasH] teams [run by me] will gank roamers.

1) if you’re in our way
2) if i think it would be funny
3) if you’re looking the wrong way
4) if you’re on our border
5) if you’re in wvw
6) i don’t like the look of you
7) you’re attacking a friendly
8) you’re attacking someone else
9) you have a legendary
10) you attack us/ our objectives
11) you are bear-bow

we may also: stack might, invis, build seige, emote, use kites and shout insults at you over our ts. i really don’t know why roamers expect special treatment in wvw and i can’t help but think “welcome to pvp” every time i read one of these posts.

[TasH] stacks might and invis to mine iron. [TasH] will build ballistas for roamers. because sometimes, it’s fun.

Neandramathal.9536:

“WOO YE VABBI WIN SUCK IT WSR!”

oh no he di-n’t. it’s on kittenes!

it depends, they might not view it as playing ‘badly’, i mean, they technically won, even if it was a 30vs1. the \laugh emote does get used at very odd times though.

that said, i am a fan of kill taunting, if someone doesn’t release they’re asking or it, and anet isn’t making it any easier by taking our golem assistants away

currently i’ve been using /cry on people who don’t release, i feel it’s more respectful then laughing

Neandramathal.9536:

WSR, when it takes 15 of you 40 minutes to capture a keep with no supply from 3 defenders, laughing afterwards seems a bit pointless. Especially if you then go on to fail to capture the next keep from 2 defenders after an hour. Disappointing to see the tags of a few of them too… clearly recruitment standards are slipping.

Never the less, we had fun defending, so thanks for the entertainment.

everybody zergs… sometimes… besides it’s fun to watch a zerg go splat onto a keep, no matter what team you’re on. i’ve seen wsr do some dire things in my time…

commander drops a catapult

i say “this is in cart range”

cart starts firing

commander drops 2 more catapults

sigh happens more then i’d like. though it’s nothing compared to the wall rams i’ve seen arbor place.

yeah, by ‘hand holding’ i meant an agreement between guilds, the idea that servers could be allies is ridiculous. the only reason i suggested it is because [historically] fow would be up for it.

just hypothetically if a few guilds got coordinated on fow border [with fow knowing about this happening] we could probably arrange some very interesting wvw. sort of like a no rules gvgvg on an entire borderland. oh, and we would obviously betray you.

i’d normally want to do this with guilds on my server but… there aren’t any.

it works nicely in theory but don’t forget our servers are still ‘enemies’, neither party is innocent in all this. we hit your garr after arbor garr, out of balance. vabbi has had teams in our border, we’ve had groups in yours. whenever we can come off defense we try and spike an arbor wp or two. it’s just how the 3 way matchup is.

in this matchup i will be focusing on taking second, wsr will need this to not be last in the final rankings.

however, we have vabbi/fow/wsr in a few weeks. if you’re up for some cross-server hand holding we could probably hit fow quite hard.

price of fish is very very cheap imo

the 8k vabbi nightcap, is gonna take some work though. time to focus vabbi

x Charlie.4820:

Honestly sick of this comparison, As someone whos played a fair amount of tpvp, I can tell you endless lists of things that are different.

To even suggest that tpvp is “Small scale balanced fights” is just ignorant. If you played much tpvp you would know the common strategy is to have unbalanced fights in order to win. So no, Its not small scale balanced fights. Sure its a 5v5 gamemode, but you rarely ever have a 5v5 in a tpvp game because that would mean there would be 2 points undefended.

there are 2 types of spvp from what i can tell, 10v10 and 5vs5, i’m [and i think you are] talking about the 5v5 kind. this is literally small scale [only 5 players] and literally balanced [each team had 5 players, each team has limited gear]. the tactics in spvp might include 4vs1 or 3vs2, but that’s a quirk of the game mode. so what i said still stands.

however, this thread is about wvw. i just felt i needed to defend my statement.

Monkeymonger.9235:

If you use a guild raid to kill a roamer (by veiling or portal bombing…), for whatever reason, of course you will have to live with the ridicule. That’s how this works and by now everybody should have a thick skin when it comes to that.

i didn’t have a problem with that personally, and i think most people understand why it happens, it is cheap, but it needs to happen while on border defense. i like use invis for every attack because that’s how you do it properly, and if it’s not needed, it’s still good practice.

how you like to play is completely fair enough, but people are not being considerate of how other people like to play, whether that is karma training or night capping. in some cases our server had been directly insulted, which is saddening considering how vabbi used to be.

however, to say vabbi doesn’t care about ppt is slightly misguided, many vocal players might not care, but the server clearly does. as i said, this is a very close matchup right now

i really don’t understand the bitterness coming from certain parts of vabbi. it’s clear some of you like to complain about how vabbi is so ‘weak’ , but after transfers and time to sort guilds you’re really not. this is a very close matchup, only 1k in it right now and like it or not; the strength of a server in wvw is based on it’s score.

as for being ‘zerging’ roamers, yes, we killed you, it wasn’t fun for us either, but roamers take camps, which prevents upgrades. while you may have transferred to vabbi ‘cos you don’t care, some of us still play wvw because we like playing wvw, and wvw is about the score.

there is a mode called spvp for small scale balanced fights.

Hamham.7504:

No, you’re third because we night capped you. Do you really think WSR is weaker than Vabbi?

if you take second place from nightcapping [and continue to do so] then yes, vabbi is obviously stronger then wsr.

YuGiOh.4906:

But my point was clear, it was bullS*** how WSR took advantage of AS attacking us, WSR is and always will be an opportunist server.

and i’ll say again to be clear. this was not the wsr server, this was [TasH]. it was a co-incidence arborstone was there, and we took advantage of it. i don’t see anything wrong here.

YuGiOh.4906:

WSR doesn’t have many skilled players, or roamers. Just numbers.

YuGiOh.4906:

It’s seriously like a game of Command and Conquer, tactic is everything, and WSR pulled them off, but Vabbi could have held it for much longer. 1k supplies in keep, and pre-built siege.

you were attacked [successfully] by a [TasH] guild team. i find it odd that you’re reduced to flaming our server after you clearly understood that this is a game of tactics earlier.

YuGiOh.4906:

I enjoy defending a lot, and when we get overpowered fair enough, we don’t have the numbers that we get sent against. That’s the life of a loyal vabbian. But what I dont like is when they have to double team to get stuff done. That’s just disrespectful to the worst server in the kitten game.

if you find defending fun that’s fair enough, but when you’re defending you need to be prepared for when a guild spikes a keep. i on the other hand, find it’s fun to remove waypoints. if we had more people on for longer, we would have removed the other arborstone waypoints too.

Neandramathal.9536:

Slightly saddening to then find myself getting veil charged by the guild group + pugs attached when I’m alone fighting 1v3 a few minutes later :/

agree, however, here is our point of view, we were nightcapped into 3rd place, we had no wp’s up and needed every point we can to get into second. at that time we were killing everyone, roamers, guild teams, whatever, ’cos we needed the sups for upgrades.

as you know, we’d normally be more forgiving to duels, and it’s why we had to kill you after the kite indecent.

YuGiOh.4906:

What a complete bullkitten way to loose our side of the map. Zerged from both WSR and AS. Have you got nothing better to do? Attack each other you mad little zerglings. And stop karma training, ya noobs :P

that was actually a complete co-incidence. also it was a [TasH] guild team that hit you, not a karma train… as it’s been stated, we also hit arbor garrison first.

Hamham.7504:

What is his point? That WSR would rather double team the weakest server to cap thier only waypoint? I don’t follow.

you’re second, currently wsr is the weakest server.

as a final note, most of the issues on this thread were caused by [TasH], please don’t judge the server based on our actions.

Sirendor.1394:

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

The winners have been decided and anyone who can do a bit of arithmetic will figure it out.

Drakkar Lake and Ruins of (pay to win Bandwangoners) Surmia will tie for first place. Dzagonur, the 2nd half of the German national alliance will take 3rd place. The rest, also ran.

Fact. I don’t see why leagues are even supposed to be ‘a competition’. It’s clear the biggest blobbers win. What about this: make a new game for blobbers and put them in there. Leave Vabbi, FoW, WSR and some of the ‘fair’ servers in this game.

i’m not sure if it as ever meant to be a competition, [though given the ‘winner’ gets a fancy dolyak i guess it is…] but an attempt to make servers change opponents more. if this is the case then it has worked quite nicely. it does mean that the lower end of the tier gets to be blobbed by 5x it’s number for 5 weeks, which isn’t fun for anyone.

i’m not 100% but isn’t the league ranking looking very similar to the old server rankings?

Kencu.5846:

I really don’t like this achievement system in WvW. Totally kills the enjoyment of the game. There are a lot of players who only comes to WvW because of “omgomg achievements, chests, rewardrewardreward!!!” They never defend anything just run to the next sentry… Anyway I hope we can have some good fights this week, I’m glad that DZ didn’t come to our border [WSR] with more than 1 zergs. It is our problem now that we are disorganized most of the time :/

this isn’t a problem caused by the achievements, this behavior is often referred to as zerging, it’s not new. in my opinion it’s good that players are trying wvw, especially for our server, as long as a few find it fun and stay, it’s worth it.

as for the problem on dz, everyone gets the bandwagon pve-ers when you start winning, i doubt it’s to do with the achievements. even wsr had cues when we were close to winning vs vabbi and fow.

if you get tired of cues, you could always holiday on wsr for a while, always plenty to do here

another example of the perfect match-up balance. i think at some point dzagonur even used siege.

hopefully during the week the blobs will split a bit, right now our super carts can’t even kill enough to matter.

MedrekPL.5860:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhWvmco7wUc

Enjoy

i usually enjoy watching video’s of our current match-up, but this seemed a bit of a backstab. in the first fight you clearly have 2 groups of 30 ish killing a group of 30, granted you won, but not exactly an interesting encounter.

you then use these 2 groups of 30 to assault our t3 keep, you have enough supply to build golems at the gate, and additional rams. your [two] groups of 30 then kill our [what seemed like] <10 defenders… again, congratulations on your victory.

in the final fights vs wsr your guild group takes on a blob of wsr randoms, in this fight you use skill 1 to great success.

again, it’s your choice what you put in video’s, but you posted this on a public forum; all of these encounters seem cheap.

Yes I Cap.5389:

We can get open and fair fights in SPvP but that wouldn’t be 20 VS 20 now would it :P I would also like to take this time to apologize for spawn camping you for about 20 minutes /crying because you built siege we were bored and you’re honestly the best fights we found so far hence why we continually hopped border to hunt you down

As for the 30+ in vale you had a large group of randoms that got killed off as you retreated in the camp the random group was at least 15 so that’s why I called it, and hey they acted as a great distraction at the gate so we could bomb your AC’s down

heh, no worries, we need all the practice we can get, ‘large’ teams are new to wsr so it’ll take a while to adapt. also, i’m not really a fan of fair fights, so you expect a few more sneaky arrow carts and ballistas thrown into the mix.

Yes I Cap.5389:

Some decent fights tonight hunted TasH down all night, but seriously what is with building the AC’s all the time open field… kinda lame considering we were even numbers.

we (as in [TasH]) are a guild that is used to running about 10 people, we’ve been forced to expand rapidly to deal with these ridiculous match-ups, meaning most of our members are very new to organized wvw. this is why we’re reluctant to charge at guild teams, at least until we can re-establish a solid core.

as for the siege, it saddens me how often i have to say it but; siege is a part of wvw, there is no reason not to use every advantage you can. you can get open and fair fights in spvp.

and a side note, it’s always funny how people in /t overestimate numbers

Bear.4931:

Sorry we didn’t assault WSR on EB to your liking, my guild was supposed to be there but due to the queue we couldn’t all get in, so we went to WSR BL and took everything… but yeah we have an agreement… totes… like we bbfl <3

P.S. nice work WSR. good use of clever game mechanics.

though you can’t see it, that stack is our guild group [which had it’s largest group ever of 18, including pugs that joined our ts], and we just fell back when we saw your numbers. we didn’t expect to get kills there, was just going to wp out, then stayed because it started working O.o

watching organised groups scatter after placing a null field on their stack is one of the simple things that always makes me smile.

but yeah, seeing the current match-ups, and the future ones, we’re being forced to recruit far more aggressively then i’d want to. dealing with guilds of 20-40 is something we just can’t do on this server right now

we might be a very different guild by the next time we meet…

Neandramathal.9536:

Didn’t get to play this last afternoon due to upload, but thursdays footage is up!

Linky – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM1DRx4CsWw

Thank you all for a very enjoyable week, there’s been very few moments that haven’t been fun, and almost all bad times involved an overkill raid… I have to say already in week 2 I already feel like going to play another game.

i was the commander in that vid, and you fully deserve all those kills, especially at the tower defense. since i knew you guy were only running about 6 guys i was constantly spamming “push push push” in /s when you were low , then looking round and realising i’d charged in on my own

it’s especially obvious when you jumped out of the tower; i charged right at you, zerg went into the tower. and yeah… that tower defense…

as the gate was going down, said twice or more, “when we breach, push all the way in”, so i charged in, distortion through the guard walls, turned around… 30-50 dudes dead. it’s surprisingly difficult to get people to be aggressive, i guess i’ve been a bit spoilt with guild teams; and don’t tag up often.

i was dreading watching this vid, and was well aware you’d be recording. anyway, very well done on a perfect tower defense.

FuGiazi.5973:

super moo.2891:

as annoying as it is for you guys getting these organized guild transferring in, it’s even more annoying when your enemies get guilds and you don’t.

don’t forget wsr was winning this matchup before all the transfers

FoW actually took a 4k overnight lead and was in front by 800 before HT showed up on that fateful day

yeah, don’t get me wrong, we do lose numbers mid week and yeah, you got the lead eventually, but the match-up would have been incredibly close and we might have had a chance of stealing 1st. let’s face it, it’s been a while since we’ve had a win, to lose the opportunity like this just sucks.

as annoying as it is for you guys getting these organized guild transferring in, it’s even more annoying when your enemies get guilds and you don’t.

don’t forget wsr was winning this matchup before all the transfers

Neandramathal.9536:

Wednesday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9Ot8PlY1zs

aww, at the time we felt like big kitten heroes, saving the homeworld!, but looking at the vids we were more like a plague coming out of no-where are swarming everything

Arathor.7419:

enjoyed the fights ^^

yes, your reactions you us “death golem”-ing ourselves, and the chat from the randoms watching in /s and /m when we charged at you with kites [they bounced with us for about 20s] outside bay was… special

Neandramathal.9536:

I’m the guy who records Asura warrior, I don’t remember getting any special treatment :P (which is quite unusual!)

we only had time to drop golems, then we had to move off, lots of bad guys attacking our border that night. if we find you again we’ll try to give you the [TasH] death ritual you deserve

Neandramathal.9536:

Been some good fights tonight, took a while for us to get some ground without being overzerged at the gate but after we did it worked out nicely.

Good fun in WSR BL (for some reason seems to be the zone we find the best fights in) fighting the [PvP] lot from FoW, and I believe it was [TasH] from WSR. Nice to meet some smaller guild groups, something we severely missed in the higher tiers. All 3 sides had others involved from random soloers to full zergs at various points which spiced things up well! Including siegerazer for a while ^^, Lots of fun there, thanks to all

Sadly it seems lots of the raid guilds are now transferring down…

agreed, it was pretty much the perfect example of an even 3 way fight. i’m pretty sure all 3 teams had about 10 guild dudes and all engaging at the same time.

i think we golem’d the guy who records your videos, ‘cos we want to be famous [really enjoy your vids btw], if we got the wrong guy, we’re sorry

we were then chasing [HT] around our border, win some, lose some, kite bounce some sort of stuff, but really good fights.

Neandramathal.9536:

So, video diary, because why not. See things from Vabbi side!

Friday after Reset: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NbN5YYrIu0
Saturday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms_2hBMR5c0
Sunday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYgi-CTGqF4 (stupidly long vid)

wewt! [TasH] got on tv! in our ‘totally successful we weren’t about to be wiped oh sweet more dudes showed up’ defense of hills!

and more importantly… i got on tv!

bruhara.2978:

Is this RoS his idea of fun?

this screenshot highlights more about wsr then ros. a single ballista would kill 4 of those arrow carts, with mastery that same ballista would kill their ballistas. rinse repeat, and all seige is gone.

no supply? use another door to get a camp. camp defended? there are more then enough guys to trigger seigerazer.

that said, it’s clear in that screenshot the active commander used another exit. it is my opinion that people need to use some initiative before complaining about spawn camping.

Laxus.3062:

YuGiOh.4906:

Where is all the WSR numbers gone? I swear you guys got demoralized by this match up.
I guess being the Red borderland, and being focused by RoS and Vabbi sucks.

Don’t get me wrong, we’re being focused as well but you guys got the short end of the stick this week.

Hope it improves when the guilds get bored as the week goes on, look forward to fighting [TasH] again.

Have fun all, as for RoS you know… Vabbi is only a transfer away if you wana actually have some nice fights, and we’re free to transfer too >:D

well we constantly get zerged at our own camps by a 30-40 man zerg people got tired of this, it’s a total waste of our time/resources to bother even. anyway love how ros decided to pull out omegas again at vabbi bay. it’s tier 1 and you have us heavily outnumbered.

we’ve had similar experiences, but for us it was a single guild who was doing it. when we took ros bay on reset night we had 2 [or more] omega golems take it back. similarly today we had 2 [or 3] trebs built to take our t1 cliffside [or whatever it’s called on the red map]. while it might seem a bit excessive, especially since our guild runs <10 people: legit tactic is effective.

Hamham.7504:

GG to the Silver _ TasH(sp) Mesmer who pulled me out of Anz not long ago. :>

this is going to sound a bit bitter, but since you called me out on it;

no. i got bored of chasing your aoe circles so waited at the lord for you to screw up. while i’m sure it was fun for you; it’s incredibly dull for everyone else. it’s a shame that your server/guild[s] use this [legitimate but] incredibly dull tactic so often.

sad face.

agreed, with a particular shout out to the [jd] pinyata-theif. once we saw your death-kite, we had to come back to say hi <3

to whoever the [SAB] dudes with balloons were: you are a cool guild filled with attractive people.

regards,

the dead [TasH] dude with a kite

hello arborstone!

hello vabbi!

may we all drop many precursers! glhf!

it might be a bit early to say, but i think we (wsr) are starting to recover from the exodus, our guilds are starting to become more organized etc.

i wasn’t on in the evening; but did you ever manage to get into cliffside? we hit seige limit there :p

hello again!

reset was pretty insane, we had constant fights in wsr border from blacktide and vabbi groups. hope it continues!

Jathres.7236:

Reset was fun, the battle over the FoW Hills was a nice threeway, also we failed grandious when we become to invested fighting FoW at the Innermain Gate and WSR took the Keep ^^.

i know it’s a bit late, but it it turns out one of our dudes recorded the hills fight, so you vabbi guys can see how it ended

just a warning, there is a lot of running and our voip is included, i swear a lot :p

if you want to skip to the good stuff, we cap at 3:45 and the final fight is at 23:10