Guild Wars 2

Actually, it may be worth explaining to them that Orr temple vendors will sell you a set of PVT gear minus one piece (for light it’s leggings, for heavy it’s a helmet) for karma. It really stunned me but apparently a lot of people don’t know this; they often assume that because one vendor sells a horrible mashup of stats, the others all have the same thing and you can’t get a decent set. But at 42k karma a piece (I think) it saves a lot of badges you can spend on the missing part and some weapons.

edit: also Gavbeorn’s Landing has like the only nearly-useful aqua breather for high levels AFAIK.

Hickeroar.9734:

gmanual.6519:

Atrophied.8725:

So, SoR guilds, I’m curious. I know we’re not really a threat PPT-wise, but how are we on the open-field? I hope we’re providing you with some good fights.
(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

Way too many berserker builds IMO. If you’re going to make it in T1 you need to outlast an initial burst, not just make one and then die.

I’ve noticed this a lot amongst some of our “less trained” militia, and you’re right. Our guilds have an overall good grasp on builds and are pretty sturdy, but we have had trouble with rallying half an enemy force due to the death of one or two squishy militia following a guild group.

This distinct thing happened several times last night, actually. At one point we had essentially wiped an SoR zerg, with 2/3 of it down. We lost a measly two militia, and almost every one of the SoR rallied…which turned the tide of the fight in SoR’s favor.

I’ve noticed that a lot of what seem to be SoR militia are pretty sturdy. How do you properly explain a build to them: A) without coming off as elitists, without offending their precious hard-earned armor, C) in a way that communication is taken constructively and seriously?

SoR does seem to have a great track record in getting militia on-board and trained, and I think it’s a huge part of their success.

“Moar Pvt!” is one of the most repeated sentences in SoR ts.

Cool cool. Thanks for the responses. Yeah, PVT is definitely a favorite among people in the “know” here. I personally run the new (and now somewhat rare) Sentinel gear, which is pVt as opposed to Pvt. I’m usually one of the last ones to drop in any lost fight (guardian).

We have started a push in the last month to get militia into mumble with us, and have met with moderate success, but still have a good ways to go on that front. It seems we need to start gently harping on builds/gear as well.

And that was a good point earlier by LameFox about the karma vendors. Most people have gobs of karma stockpiled by this point, and nothing to use it on.

Thanks for the tips folks.

LilMcGinley.3890:

Avenge.1478:

This matchup is beginning to suck. When TC and SOS are out in force, its a ton of fun, sadly, SoR as a server just completely outmans those two and its impossible to get in passed the hour+ long queues.

ANet, I know switching it up is ‘hip and cool’ and whatever, but when you forcefully change matchups to boring meaningless ones between a stacked server and a non-stacked server(s), youre doing everybody who enjoys WvW on those servers a disservice.

Or you could unstack servers.. idk just a thought..

I could be wrong but wasn’t FoE a SOS server? You guys were in NO hurry to unstack when SOS was the unbeatable T-1 champs. In fact all I heard was SOS outplays everyone, get better.

Aurust.8961:

Atrophied.8725:

So, SoR guilds, I’m curious. I know we’re not really a threat PPT-wise, but how are we on the open-field? I hope we’re providing you with some good fights.
(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

I’d love to give you guys a brutally honest perspective, as well as advice…. unfortunately, it will be interpreted as trolling or trash talking or whatever. So you will just have to figure it out yourselves.

All i can say is that your field fighting tactics/capabilities are subpar compared to JQ and BG. Though I will say, you guys do have a greater willingness to actually engage in combat as opposed to running away.

I’ve been in your tier 2 threads quite a few times trying to stress just how far behind tier 2 ( it was obvious from the tier 2 guilds that moved up to tier 1 like war machine and rise) was compared to tier 1 and was just brushed off. I think its fairly obvious I was proven correct. I won’t rub it in any further or make any further comments. Take this post for what you will.

I thought of doing a real response too, but public forums aren’t really a place for this kind of feedback. However I disagree that they are far behind, just lacking in a few aspects.

Atrophied.8725:

(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

From what I saw last night, this is probably the most ironic statement I have come across all week.

Az z.2746:

Aurust.8961:

Atrophied.8725:

So, SoR guilds, I’m curious. I know we’re not really a threat PPT-wise, but how are we on the open-field? I hope we’re providing you with some good fights.
(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

I’d love to give you guys a brutally honest perspective, as well as advice…. unfortunately, it will be interpreted as trolling or trash talking or whatever. So you will just have to figure it out yourselves.

All i can say is that your field fighting tactics/capabilities are subpar compared to JQ and BG. Though I will say, you guys do have a greater willingness to actually engage in combat as opposed to running away.

I’ve been in your tier 2 threads quite a few times trying to stress just how far behind tier 2 ( it was obvious from the tier 2 guilds that moved up to tier 1 like war machine and rise) was compared to tier 1 and was just brushed off. I think its fairly obvious I was proven correct. I won’t rub it in any further or make any further comments. Take this post for what you will.

I thought of doing a real response too, but public forums aren’t really a place for this kind of feedback. However I disagree that they are far behind, just lacking in a few aspects.

Thanks Az. We are hungry to learn, and this week is going to be excellent for us on that front. Please don’t think our flaws are lost on us.

Also, the history of Aurust trolling T2 threads is far different than he pretends it is anyway. The real story is that one player, once upon a time, made a comment that no one really knows if T1 is that much different than T2 because of how borked the matchup system was. Unfortunately, Aurust took that as a personal challenge to tell us all how inferior we are at every opportunity.

No one was ever debating that T1 was a different animal than T2. T2 vs T3 is just as stacked, or more, if you look at the numbers. DB/Mag/SBI last week, for instance, and FA’s match this week.

I really do appreciate the great, encouraging attitudes by SoR as a whole this week. You all have been great in-game and out.

I REALLY hope we don’t end up in T3 next week or I might just take the week off. We’ll see…

Velzer.1325:

Atrophied.8725:

(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

From what I saw last night, this is probably the most ironic statement I have come across all week.

also, THIS. At one point we counted 13 AC’s on ONE door of the bay courtesy of TC.

Velzer.1325:

Atrophied.8725:

(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

From what I saw last night, this is probably the most ironic statement I have come across all week.

I think they were referring to open field ACs and Ballistas. Most of our guilds have an internal policy against them since they’re kinda seen as troll siege. I’ve seen SoR drop a few, but nothing glaring. I’m sure TCers have dropped a few as well, so…whatever.

Typically we see open field siege, pounce on it, wipe it, and carry on.

As far as I’m concerned, if it’s behind/on the walls of the structure….ACs are fair play, and the more the better.

Cover Girl.2580:

Velzer.1325:

Atrophied.8725:

(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

From what I saw last night, this is probably the most ironic statement I have come across all week.

also, THIS. At one point we counted 13 AC’s on ONE door of the bay courtesy of TC.

Because SoR doesn’t also use gobs of siege?

Hickeroar.9734:

Thanks Az. We are hungry to learn, and this week is going to be excellent for us on that front. Please don’t think our flaws are lost on us.

Also, the history of Aurust trolling T2 threads is far different than he pretends it is anyway. The real story is that one player, once upon a time, made a comment that no one really knows if T1 is that much different than T2 because of how borked the matchup system was. Unfortunately, Aurust took that as a personal challenge to tell us all how inferior we are at every opportunity.

No one was ever debating that T1 was a different animal than T2. T2 vs T3 is just as stacked, or more, if you look at the numbers. DB/Mag/SBI last week, for instance, and FA’s match this week.

I really do appreciate the great, encouraging attitudes by SoR as a whole this week. You all have been great in-game and out.

I REALLY hope we don’t end up in T3 next week or I might just take the week off. We’ll see…

Funny thing is, as you guys will probably experience this week, the skill level is not even in a T1 server. There are top, average, and below average guilds in every T1 server.

Asudementio.8526:

Cover Girl.2580:

Velzer.1325:

Atrophied.8725:

(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

From what I saw last night, this is probably the most ironic statement I have come across all week.

also, THIS. At one point we counted 13 AC’s on ONE door of the bay courtesy of TC.

Because SoR doesn’t also use gobs of siege?

Not as much as what I saw last night at Hills and blue keep when we had one major group map hopping for hours? I added a question mark too so that my reply looks almost as snide as your reply does.

Cover Girl.2580:

Velzer.1325:

Atrophied.8725:

(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

From what I saw last night, this is probably the most ironic statement I have come across all week.

also, THIS. At one point we counted 13 AC’s on ONE door of the bay courtesy of TC.

I would think you guys are use to this! Blackgate once told us in a matchup thread, “We’ll treb your little supply camp” – and who can forget, “That’s too much siege, said no one from Blackgate ever.” (Don’t get me wrong, I love Blackgate, but those phrases have always made me giggle!) Honestly, you haven’t seen anything until you’ve seen the 13-14 golems roll through. That is true TC style!

Velzer.1325:

Asudementio.8526:

Cover Girl.2580:

Velzer.1325:

Atrophied.8725:

(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

From what I saw last night, this is probably the most ironic statement I have come across all week.

also, THIS. At one point we counted 13 AC’s on ONE door of the bay courtesy of TC.

Because SoR doesn’t also use gobs of siege?

Not as much as what I saw last night at Hills and blue keep when we had one major group map hopping for hours? I added a question mark too so that my reply looks almost as snide as your reply does.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery <3

But i’ve seen as much siege usage from SoR as i have from FA, BG, TC- pretty much everyone. As long as siege is effective, groups on every server will try to max out as much of it as possible at different times. To think any server is more siege dependent than other has always been a silly idea to me, often siege dependency isn’t a server issue but a group issue.

Asudementio.8526:

Velzer.1325:

Asudementio.8526:

Cover Girl.2580:

Velzer.1325:

Atrophied.8725:

(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

From what I saw last night, this is probably the most ironic statement I have come across all week.

also, THIS. At one point we counted 13 AC’s on ONE door of the bay courtesy of TC.

Because SoR doesn’t also use gobs of siege?

Not as much as what I saw last night at Hills and blue keep when we had one major group map hopping for hours? I added a question mark too so that my reply looks almost as snide as your reply does.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery <3

But i’ve seen as much siege usage from SoR as i have from FA, BG, TC- pretty much everyone. As long as siege is effective groups on every server will try to max out as much of it as possible at different times. To think any server is more siege dependent than other has always been a silly idea to me, often siege dependency isn’t a server issue but a group issue.

I never said anything about siege dependence. I said his statement was ironic from what I witnessed last night. Siege was placed in the game to be used.

Az z.2746:

Hickeroar.9734:

Thanks Az. We are hungry to learn, and this week is going to be excellent for us on that front. Please don’t think our flaws are lost on us.

Also, the history of Aurust trolling T2 threads is far different than he pretends it is anyway. The real story is that one player, once upon a time, made a comment that no one really knows if T1 is that much different than T2 because of how borked the matchup system was. Unfortunately, Aurust took that as a personal challenge to tell us all how inferior we are at every opportunity.

No one was ever debating that T1 was a different animal than T2. T2 vs T3 is just as stacked, or more, if you look at the numbers. DB/Mag/SBI last week, for instance, and FA’s match this week.

I really do appreciate the great, encouraging attitudes by SoR as a whole this week. You all have been great in-game and out.

I REALLY hope we don’t end up in T3 next week or I might just take the week off. We’ll see…

Funny thing is, as you guys will probably experience this week, the skill level is not even in a T1 server. There are top, average, and below average guilds in every T1 server.

Yeah, we’ve seen some guild groups who are very strong/scary while others just melt. I think it just comes down to Guild’s goals in WvW. Some are there to provide an organized presence, others are there to be scary balls of torture. :-P

Velzer.1325:

Asudementio.8526:

Velzer.1325:

Asudementio.8526:

Cover Girl.2580:

Velzer.1325:

Atrophied.8725:

(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

From what I saw last night, this is probably the most ironic statement I have come across all week.

also, THIS. At one point we counted 13 AC’s on ONE door of the bay courtesy of TC.

Because SoR doesn’t also use gobs of siege?

Not as much as what I saw last night at Hills and blue keep when we had one major group map hopping for hours? I added a question mark too so that my reply looks almost as snide as your reply does.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery <3

But i’ve seen as much siege usage from SoR as i have from FA, BG, TC- pretty much everyone. As long as siege is effective groups on every server will try to max out as much of it as possible at different times. To think any server is more siege dependent than other has always been a silly idea to me, often siege dependency isn’t a server issue but a group issue.

I never said anything about siege dependence. I said his statement was ironic from what I witnessed last night. Siege was placed in the game to be used.

I agree, and i wasn’t trying to say you had brought up siege dependency as much as frequency. I was extending the conversation to dependency as to kind of sure up the reasons for observed frequency.

I personally never liked dropping siege in open field unless we’re outmanned at the starting area getting farmed. As I said before I haven’t been on much this weekend, but I did like what I played against with TC. Granted I was just fooling around and not going for a coordinated effort, but the fights were still hellish.

TC still has plenty to learn, but this isn’t anything new to them they’ve been through hell and back with SoR before and they will always be back to keep the fight strong.

Az z.2746:

I thought of doing a real response too, but public forums aren’t really a place for this kind of feedback. However I disagree that they are far behind, just lacking in a few aspects.

Hey, if you’re not willing to post in the open forums, send me a PM. Not just Lrn2Play, but if you have serious constructive criticism, I’m totally up for hearing what we do wrong and how to improve. Don’t take the vocal minority on the forums for what all of the players are like. Some of us LIKE hearing what we do wrong so we can kitten fix it.

Also, my comment on siege was re: open-field ballistæ and arrow carts, not on keep/tower siege. Totally go for siege caps there, I don’t care, it’s how the game is designed for defense. But when we’re ~even numbers in open field, or you outman us, open field siege is just unnecessary, imho.

Come duel at 6pm est tonight at the windmill on SOS BL!

Favorite moment of today was in SoR BL. After we wiped in Hills three of us stayed back to take briar with siegerazer when a bigger group of SoR came from ruins. Especially the guys from [Saty] were funny to watch when they tried to get through that bubble around the cata on the bridge over and over again. They made it then only to get destroyed by siegerazer.
Please note that I mean no offense by this in any way. It was just hilarious to watch.

Anyway, enjoying this matchup so far and I’m really impressed of the level of coordination you guys evince.

Le Rooster.8715:

Masamoon.3864:

Masori.3528:

Masamoon.3864:

3:33 am score update, I have a new toy so I thought i’d share, not like i’ve posted this week anyways.

Share dagger please!
I use it in eu prime. You in yours!

No its mine!

Ironbark.7502:

iNtotheblue.8624:

Hello old friends, and allies <3

Don’t get discouraged by the score, focus on winning fights and learning tactics from higher tiers.

It’ll only make u guys stronger, I highly suggest GvGing against any guilds u can to see their tactics, setups and movements and learning from them.

GL + HF all,

if any oceanic guilds wish to GVG ocx send me or any of the other ocx commander a PM, we can do 20/15/10/5s.

don’t get discouraged, bandwagon to a higher populated server

If you mean by bandwagon, they came to SoR, when it was losing, then yes, massive bandwagoners right there.

Yup still bandwagoning.

How do you know it’s a bandwagon…if no one has ever jumped from it?

/rubs chin Hmmmmmm….

Had a good time leading the SoR BL hopping team this morning, lots of nice big fights with TC in SMC/Hills/Bay/etc. You guys sure do love your AC’s :P

Avenge.1478:

Had a good time leading the SoR BL hopping team this morning, lots of nice big fights with TC in SMC/Hills/Bay/etc. You guys sure do love your AC’s :P

Did you really expect us to fight you ZvZ when we’re outnumbered anyway? :P

Avenge.1478:

Had a good time leading the SoR BL hopping team this morning, lots of nice big fights with TC in SMC/Hills/Bay/etc. You guys sure do love your AC’s :P

Hey! We all love our ACs! Admit it…you’re in love too.

EDIT: I would love it if we could get little desk figurines of siege the way you can of game characters. I’d totally have a troll ram and an open field AC on my desk at work.

FIGHT CLUB AT 6PM! SoS Bl windmill. Test your skills!

Dear Tarnished Coast,

I miss you guys. I had gotten so used to fighting you, and now that you are gone from my life Guild Wars 2 is a little less fun. Why can’t things just go back to the way they were? QQ

CAA.9653:

Dear Tarnished Coast,

I miss you guys. I had gotten so used to fighting you, and now that you are gone from my life Guild Wars 2 is a little less fun. Why can’t things just go back to the way they were? QQ

We both knew this breakup was a bad idea deep down. Maybe next week <3

After reading some of the above posts, I have come to the conclusion that, as much as Maguuma relied on ACs, they have nothing on TC. :P Eleven ACs for one gate is twice what I’ve seen Maguuma use. Though, to be fair, Maguuma is also known for using 6 superior trebs for a paper wall (I was there). As one of the new RE transfers, I look forward to fighting SoR tonight.

Asudementio.8526:

Velzer.1325:

Asudementio.8526:

Cover Girl.2580:

Velzer.1325:

Atrophied.8725:

(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

From what I saw last night, this is probably the most ironic statement I have come across all week.

also, THIS. At one point we counted 13 AC’s on ONE door of the bay courtesy of TC.

Because SoR doesn’t also use gobs of siege?

Not as much as what I saw last night at Hills and blue keep when we had one major group map hopping for hours? I added a question mark too so that my reply looks almost as snide as your reply does.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery <3

But i’ve seen as much siege usage from SoR as i have from FA, BG, TC- pretty much everyone. As long as siege is effective, groups on every server will try to max out as much of it as possible at different times. To think any server is more siege dependent than other has always been a silly idea to me, often siege dependency isn’t a server issue but a group issue.

The reality is that we are diverse and unless we are all assimilated not all the servers are the same either. Regarding AC’s all the servers are using them but not in the same amount and/or in the same situation based on skills and strategy.
A lot of players have complained that recent AC’s boost do not promote active gameplay, skills or strategy.

The post below summarize it all:

Tarkus.4109:

Tarkus.4109:

Raven Paradox.1860:

Tarkus.4109:

wtb tactical nuke to kill AC’s though

Why would you want that when you’re in MERC?

But you do have a point. Everyone does use ACs. It’s just a dang shame that ArenaNet thinks they’re helping WvW. All they do is give baddies a chance. It doesn’t seem all that bad, but it doesn’t encourage people to defend objectives with tactics besides the placement of a siege weapon. The game should encourage you to get better, not reward you by sitting in a safe area on a wall shooting down on a big amount of players with an overpowered, easy to obtain piece of garbage.

To balance this new overpowered AC crap, ArenaNet should make those things have a limited amount of ammunition, or require much more supply than 30/40.

I want to say great fights everyone and keep up the good work!

JudgeD.5673:

After reading some of the above posts, I have come to the conclusion that, as much as Maguuma relied on ACs, they have nothing on TC. :P Eleven ACs for one gate is twice what I’ve seen Maguuma use. Though, to be fair, Maguuma is also known for using 6 superior trebs for a paper wall (I was there). As one of the new RE transfers, I look forward to fighting SoR tonight.

You’re fighting SoR, you should have at least 15 AC’s and a catapult for good measure, the BG way.

The fight club has moved…please whisper me: mynameisred to find out

JudgeD.5673:

After reading some of the above posts, I have come to the conclusion that, as much as Maguuma relied on ACs, they have nothing on TC. :P Eleven ACs for one gate is twice what I’ve seen Maguuma use. Though, to be fair, Maguuma is also known for using 6 superior trebs for a paper wall (I was there). As one of the new RE transfers, I look forward to fighting SoR tonight.

Welcome RE to the fight and I wish you guys the best on TC!

SoS that was an awesome ninja just now! We literally had no idea anything was happening and we were going to run through SM when half of our zerg got locked out by unfriendly Red gates!

At least RE went to TC. Not that they needed more NA, but I like TC more than many other servers.

dirtyfleece.6704:

SoS that was an awesome ninja just now! We literally had no idea anything was happening and we were going to run through SM when half of our zerg got locked out by unfriendly Red gates!

Thank you,didnt expect to even get it but turned out alright.

gmanual.6519:

Atrophied.8725:

So, SoR guilds, I’m curious. I know we’re not really a threat PPT-wise, but how are we on the open-field? I hope we’re providing you with some good fights.
(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

Way too many berserker builds IMO. If you’re going to make it in T1 you need to outlast an initial burst, not just make one and then die.

I don’t know of any guild on TC that views themselves as a WvW guild that runs berserker. However, the randoms and militia do seem to run to much berserker. You guys have more WvW savvy players than we do.

On the ACs and Ballistas, I’ll explain it to you. This usually sums up how a fight goes, at least for my guild.
1. Wipe SOR Zerg.
2. Zerg returns with more people.
3. Wipe them again.
4. Returns with more people.
5. Wipe them again.
6. Returns with more people.
7. We finally lose.

So… ACs and Ballistas help mitigate that a bit.

Hickeroar.9734:

Cirus.5748:

If there is one thing that this match up has taught me, is how stacked the tier 1 servers are compared to tier 2.

You could say the same thing about T2/3 as well. Actually, I think it’s even worse when a T2 server is “demoted” to T3 for the week. FA and DB have spanked T3 harder than SoR is spanking T2.

If there’s one thing we’ve learned, it’s that SoS would/should have been at the top of T3 before the matchup changes.

In any case, the top three tiers could be locked in by rating right now, and would be excellently stacked against each other.

Just keep in mind that SoR is trying to keep this matchup fun and not to be a blowout. There are quite a few strong guilds and/or players vacationing from wvw this week as we are trying to keep things entertaining for everyone.

Zen.8497:

Just keep in mind that SoR is trying to keep this matchup fun and not to be a blowout. There are quite a few strong guilds and/or players vacationing from wvw this week as we are trying to keep things entertaining for everyone.

And that is not making us feel any better about things.

Zen.8497:

Hickeroar.9734:

Cirus.5748:

If there is one thing that this match up has taught me, is how stacked the tier 1 servers are compared to tier 2.

You could say the same thing about T2/3 as well. Actually, I think it’s even worse when a T2 server is “demoted” to T3 for the week. FA and DB have spanked T3 harder than SoR is spanking T2.

If there’s one thing we’ve learned, it’s that SoS would/should have been at the top of T3 before the matchup changes.

In any case, the top three tiers could be locked in by rating right now, and would be excellently stacked against each other.

Just keep in mind that SoR is trying to keep this matchup fun and not to be a blowout. There are quite a few strong guilds and/or players vacationing from wvw this week as we are trying to keep things entertaining for everyone.

Don’t forget the immense amount of people playing on their lowbie chars too.

timidobserver.7925:

gmanual.6519:

Atrophied.8725:

So, SoR guilds, I’m curious. I know we’re not really a threat PPT-wise, but how are we on the open-field? I hope we’re providing you with some good fights.
(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

Way too many berserker builds IMO. If you’re going to make it in T1 you need to outlast an initial burst, not just make one and then die.

I don’t know of any guild on TC that views themselves as a WvW guild that runs berserker. However, the randoms and militia do seem to run to much berserker. You guys have more WvW savvy players than we do.

On the ACs and Ballistas, I’ll explain it to you. This usually sums up how a fight goes, at least for my guild.
1. Wipe SOR Zerg.
2. Zerg returns with more people.
3. Wipe them again.
4. Returns with more people.
5. Wipe them again.
6. Returns with more people.
7. We finally lose.

So… ACs and Ballistas help mitigate that a bit.

And what guild are you in? I’m sure some SOR guilds would like to be wiped by you guys. It’s in death that these guilds have freedom!

Hickeroar.9734:

gmanual.6519:

Atrophied.8725:

So, SoR guilds, I’m curious. I know we’re not really a threat PPT-wise, but how are we on the open-field? I hope we’re providing you with some good fights.
(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

Way too many berserker builds IMO. If you’re going to make it in T1 you need to outlast an initial burst, not just make one and then die.

I’ve noticed this a lot amongst some of our “less trained” militia, and you’re right. Our guilds have an overall good grasp on builds and are pretty sturdy, but we have had trouble with rallying half an enemy force due to the death of one or two squishy militia following a guild group.

This distinct thing happened several times last night, actually. At one point we had essentially wiped an SoR zerg, with 2/3 of it down. We lost a measly two militia, and almost every one of the SoR rallied…which turned the tide of the fight in SoR’s favor.

I’ve noticed that a lot of what seem to be SoR militia are pretty sturdy. How do you properly explain a build to them: A) without coming off as elitists, without offending their precious hard-earned armor, C) in a way that communication is taken constructively and seriously?

SoR does seem to have a great track record in getting militia on-board and trained, and I think it’s a huge part of their success.

I have to give credit to that initial TC burst hit, man does it it hurt, if we don’t swing to either side (Most organized guilds shift; Militia takes it in the face) we are decimated. (watch your back line on this burst; makes easy targets if the enemy shifted to avoid the Hammer train)

Due to all of the spike coming just to down the zerg, not enough damage to finish them off allowing SoR back line to AoE or Rally our downed flipping the fight back in our favor. How is the TC midline? This may be the group that holds off on the initial burst and does it once they see the “dorritos”.

Also getting Militia into the scheme of things with builds is almost impossible but you can work around this with your guilds. Ex: If all the militia are zerker builds, focus more on support to keep them alive longer hopefully dealing damage. Also Build friendly guilds that are polite can ease some “newbie” WvWers into running working builds. Rule of thumb…1700+ toughness, everything else what ever you want. This will ensure you have a good survivability rate with your zerg after the first hit.

Overall I think TC has some very hidden potential to defeat SoR and BG in the future. You guys already have the core idea…“Keep fighting no matter what, don’t worry about PPT but smash their faces instead” Eventually after numerous wipes from a trained server, you think the other team wants to stay on the field? Then free capping for you for the PPT:) Build the community strong to keep fighting; show up first, stay late and you will eventually wear out the opposition.

If they ever had to merge servers due to lack of population I would love to see TC and SoR join due to the same ideals of never give up and keep fighting every day:)

Tarnished Sanctum of Rall Coast FTW!

Well out of sheer curiocity,why is tc showing up on sm only after we cap it?
Yesterday we flipped sm,and then tc decided to gather 200 people to take it from us.
Today same drill ,opportunists much? ^^

grave of hearts.7830:

Well out of sheer curiocity,why is tc showing up on sm only after we cap it?
Yesterday we flipped sm,and then tc decided to gather 200 people to take it from us.
Today same drill ,opportunists much? ^^

What? SoS JUST took SM from SoR 5 min ago while TC and SoR were duking it out.

Hello Hickeroar,

The key foundation to a strong WvW experience is Teamspeak.

Voice comms beats team chat in many ways:

1. Efficiency – It takes less work to lead and coordinate.
2. Speed – TS speeds up communication by 300% or more.
3. Civility – This is often overlooked, people are more civil on Teamspeak vs team chat, the same person that seems sarcastic or condescending on team chat is usually a normal guy on TS who is curt on team chat due to the problem of text thoroughly communicating finer ideas.

Point number 3 is key to building a good environment in WvW.

The most crucial is this. Barring language differences, the major guilds have to be in a server TS otherwise it will never work. If TS is empty you will never get pple in, but if you have a guild of 10-20 guys on one channel, it will get filled up pretty quickly with militia who want to coordinate with the guild. If that guild is successful you will soon get pple asking about builds and strats, that is when important information about strats, builds, ideas gets shared (points A,B, C in one go). That’s makes it a great WvW experience for all the folks in the server.

FW

Hickeroar.9734:

I’ve noticed that a lot of what seem to be SoR militia are pretty sturdy. How do you properly explain a build to them: A) without coming off as elitists, without offending their precious hard-earned armor, C) in a way that communication is taken constructively and seriously?

SoR does seem to have a great track record in getting militia on-board and trained, and I think it’s a huge part of their success.

Velzer.1325:

grave of hearts.7830:

Well out of sheer curiocity,why is tc showing up on sm only after we cap it?
Yesterday we flipped sm,and then tc decided to gather 200 people to take it from us.
Today same drill ,opportunists much? ^^

What? SoS JUST took SM from SoR 5 min ago while TC and SoR were duking it out.

I am just saying that in the two occasions we took sm you showed up right after to cap it.
Cant tc initiate a cap on sm on its own against sor?

We in hurrr talking about sm? EB is pretty much free for all, enjoy!

Rawr.5930:

Really fun this week, SoR is HUGE, but there are balanced fights to be found all around, just need to be mindful of the zerg round the corner (applies to ALL servers ofc).

Coverage and pop is what it is, but frankly nobody seriously cares about the score this week frankly, let’s just have some fun.

Shoutout to IRON, first time ive seen you guys, and you are awesome, very impressive, alot we can learn from you, from your retal zergs to your hammer train into wells, nice tactics.

SOS, so incredibly resilient for the least populated server, much respect.

Thanks mate. Not sure if it ever goes that smoothly, wish it did. We are enjoying the fights against you guys, both your tactics and movement are really good.

Wow that TC zerg on EB this evening was huge and really well organised, alot of fun to fight against. We were just trying to dent you as could not do alot more, other than on the couple of occasion we got a nice zerg to counter you.

Chris.3290:

Zen.8497:

Just keep in mind that SoR is trying to keep this matchup fun and not to be a blowout. There are quite a few strong guilds and/or players vacationing from wvw this week as we are trying to keep things entertaining for everyone.

And that is not making us feel any better about things.

Well what do you need to feel better? For SoR to Green all the maps and siege up the north supply camps? WeeeEEeee that sounds real fun.
This week is good for us too though, we have a few people running tags for the first time and a lot of new players on the field. We are trying to turn a poor match up into a good fight is all. If SoS was replaced with another T2 or T1 server it would be another story, I do feel TC can compete in that scenario and even give us a run for our money. SO instead of crying about it, take advantage of it and whoop that ass, make us pay for it =D

Sovereign.1093:

Hi to SOR, SOS, and TC.

Shout out to my old buddies in Iron from Deso. (does moorta still play?)

Hi mate. yeh Moorta still plays, but his computer is broken, he thought it was fixed tonight and he promptly dc’d from ts and the game