Guild Wars 2

Due to the numerous existing duel suggestion threads, these threads have been merged.

Question to the developers when they give us the answer. Do duele will be introduced? and if so, when?

I have seen a lot of this, and have seen just what a mess open world duels can result in. Much depends upon the details. It can be done well, or can be a griefers paradise. The problem is NOT people who legitimately just want to duel friends, but the griefers who exploit any and all loopholes.

Arenas in certain spots (though really…we have arenas since last patch) or challenges in open world which then take duelists to an instance are the cleanest way.

The last game I played had perhaps the worst implementation ever.It very clearly highlighted the potential for trouble, if every angle is not considered by the devs.

The game actually had no auto decline….I kid you not. And…the duel challenge appeared right in the middle of a players screen ( doubt that would be the case here as party requsts appear in top left, I assume challenges would too).

So, add Auto Decline option, seems easy. But…this is in a way the least of the problems.

There is something else which is needed in addition to Auto Decline: no Auto Flag for pvp. Open world dueling essentially sets an open world pvp state in effect. The game lacked this too…and this is what enabled the griefers to go hog wild.

You see, it essentially pvp flags the 2 duelists and now….anyone who has any ability in use that affects one duelist….also gets flagged. This alone was headache as there are plenty of people who simply will not tolerate being flagged.They are on a pve server for a reason, and in gw2…..these are pve maps.

Add to this, every griefer is now salivating at the prospects.It creates a griefer gank fest, as follows (please keep in mind, this applies only to griefers, not to players who legitimately just want to duel friends):

Two griefers get together,one challenges the other to a duel…they accept and they are flagged. They then place themselves in the aoe of pve players questing, get them flagged, and gank away.The duelists have essentially become like the “yellow name plate” npcs….neutral but attackable.

Just as an aoe attack can inadvertantly hit one of these neutral/yellow tagged npcs and aggro them (turn them into hostile, red nameplate npcs)…this sets the same state between players.

As it also works, the flagged griefer can simply attack the same NPC/group of NPC’s which a pve player is attacking, and the pve player is flagged .

I have seen these mechanics work quite often. If you want to see how it works, just find 2 npcs that are fighting. One will have a yellow nameplate for you as a player, and the other which is attacking it will have a red nameplate ( such as a deer being attacked by a wolf).

So….now you attack the red nameplate npc…not the yellow/neutral npc that is not actively hostile to players. Kill the red name plate npc.

And then, the remaining npc will attack you. You have become, essentially, “pvp flagged”, marked as a hostile…simply by attacking ANYTHING involved in the encounter. This is exactly what happens when a pvp flagged griefer attacks the same npcs you are attacking: everyone involved is flagged, you will be flagged (and of course ganked).

So…..at least 2 things are needed:

Auto Decline

AND

no Auto Flag for pvp, as open world dueling essentially creates an open world pvp state.

So there needs to be a no auto flagging option as well.

However I am not so certain this is easily implemented. Maybe it is. But, essentially, flagged players become like the “yellow name plate” npcs….neutral but attackable. This is SO easily exploitable, it just invites griefing.

If there is a no auto flag feature, what does this do the “neutral but attackable” state in game? Does this mean players with no auto flagging selected in options….now see these ’neutral but attackable" as green "friendly"npcs? Or as red, hostiles? Does it matter?

Maybe all this is easily done…but I do not know. I do know I have seen it NOT done and have seen the results. Griefing…..ugly, nasty general chat, many abuse reports, lots of forum anger….total headache.

There has to be a better way to satisfy everyone.

My last game ( with this absurd system), I had 2 characters on a pvp server and a few on a pve server. The pvp server was more orderly with less griefing than the pve server. Open world dueling/open world pvp in a pve environment is simply a magnet for griefers.All angles must be covered or they will exploit it. They live for such things.

If we are lucky, this game has some better underlying mechanics which might avoid this…but I don’t know. We need a dev to definitively tell us.

We have to satisfy everyone, and open world dueling may not be the way. Really, I want everyone to have to fun but open world does indeed pose problems beyond the addition of an Auto Decline.

No Walking.6349:

This isn’t fair AT ALL. Add an option to block duel requests in the menu for the people who don’t like duels, and give us PvPers the option to duel where and when we want to!

Simple that!, just give me that option to block duels and running free.

I’ve never seen it done well. It becomes a griefer fest with “Duel ME BHUH!” people everywhere.

If you get them to make an arena for duels, sure – general open world? NO.

Game needs a duelling option, which you can turn on/off, since open world pvp is non existent apart from skill-less zergs

Yes. And a million times yes. Yes to any form of dueling. Ill pay gems ill pay gold I don’t care. Just… Give us dueling please!

Any of these and I’d say:
-Separate instance dueling? Sure
-Invisible Dueling? Make those participating in a duel become invisible to players who are not in their party. Okay!
-Dueling specific locations. Fine!

Even with custom maps in the mists there is still No substitution for dueling.
And no, Fighting while shape shifted with another shape shifted person is not a substitute for dueling. Don’t even know why I have to mention that..

We need open world duels!

Sedoks.3576:

We need open world duels!

No, we don’t. We need food, air and sleep. The bulk of respondents in the thread don’t want duelling – I say give specific places it can happen. (I figure this is what PvP is for, but there’s no harm in making other arenas.)

What I do not want – what the bulk of people replying do not want – is to be inundated with “duel me, brah” requests, nor to have groups of people around wp’s and events dueling.

Let it be out of sight, not a problem. Even if I really believe the dueling crowd desperately needs to buy themselves mortal kombat and stop bothering the rest of us.

A simple /duel anet. i dont want to use your tokens in spvp to make a personal room. This game is losing more and more flare, the only thing that keeps me going is the random duel in wvw.
Why do mods only reply to silly posts?

For heaven’s sake, there’s plenty of threads just like yours on here already. We don’t need another one!

Kukchi.6173:

Why do mods only reply to silly posts?

Because this has been replied to number and number of times already, they are working on adding such a feature so no need to make another topic about it.

Doomguard.5094:

Kukchi.6173:

Why do mods only reply to silly posts?

Because this has been replied to number and number of times already, they are working on adding such a feature so no need to make another topic about it.

how do you know?

2 posts above you, is the same topic. Fyi.

you can now duel in sPvP

Only after they add Guild Halls and GvG like they had in GW. In GW you could go to your Guild Hall and set up a “practice session” and be able to duel there. Doing it this way keeps you out of other peoples hair and vice versa.

I want duels, and I’m aware of the problems associated with open world duels. The reason I want it is because it is pretty hard finding proper 1v1 either in the Mist or WvW. Instead of open world duels, you can just add a duel option in the Mist where you can queue to duel random people or make a 1v1 map to duel with your friends (without cost ,please). It would also be nice to have the same duel concept in WvW where you use your pve gear instead.

negerleif.2106:

YES!!! we have the right to duel wherever and whenever we want! and dont tell me otherwise! since costume brawls can take place anywhere and i dont like them. but i have never been crying about it before! not untill now when people say that we duels fans should only be able to duel in arenas.. that just unfair! i want to be able to fight a duel with my mates when i feel like it and on any location. so dont come here with you’re “duels are fine as long as its in an arena” crap! have some sympathy! if people can read this and understand my enraged and crazy english, then i think most peaple would agree with me, and the ones who dont are Nazzi’s littaruly (and dont come at me about my spelling since english is not my first language) thank you for listening and have a nice day.

Wow. So anyone who disagrees with you is a kitten? You are seriously comparing people who disagree with your viewpoint with a bunch of bloodthirsty, jackbooted, racist mass-murderers? Wow. Just wow.

Consider yourself reported.

EvilSardine.9635:

Dueling needs to be implemented. There is honestly ZERO reason for not having it.

Anet can implement an option for ignoring duel requests for those who are afraid of dueling. It’s that simple.

I don’t understand why there would need to be “designated” areas for dueling either. To keep clutter out of cities? Please. People sit there and costume brawl all the time and spam meteor showers 24/7 anyways.

The reason it isn’t needed, nor wanted, is because the bulk of us would find our block lists full in the first 30 seconds. That other game was full of “Duel me Bruh” spam.

There’s no need to indulge the trolls here as well.

uknortherner.2670:

negerleif.2106:

YES!!! we have the right to duel wherever and whenever we want! and dont tell me otherwise! since costume brawls can take place anywhere and i dont like them. but i have never been crying about it before! not untill now when people say that we duels fans should only be able to duel in arenas.. that just unfair! i want to be able to fight a duel with my mates when i feel like it and on any location. so dont come here with you’re “duels are fine as long as its in an arena” crap! have some sympathy! if people can read this and understand my enraged and crazy english, then i think most peaple would agree with me, and the ones who dont are Nazzi’s littaruly (and dont come at me about my spelling since english is not my first language) thank you for listening and have a nice day.

Wow. So anyone who disagrees with you is a kitten? You are seriously comparing people who disagree with your viewpoint with a bunch of bloodthirsty, jackbooted, racist mass-murderers? Wow. Just wow.

Consider yourself reported.

yeah i got reported but ill take the blow from it. and i will stand by my words even if you dont like it.

YES!!! we have the right to duel wherever and whenever we want! and dont tell me otherwise! since costume brawls can take place anywhere and i dont like them. but i have never been crying about it before! not untill now when people say that we duels fans should only be able to duel in arenas.. that just unfair! i want to be able to fight a duel with my mates when i feel like it and on any location. so dont come here with you’re “duels are fine as long as its in an arena” crap! have some sympathy! if people can read this and understand my enraged and crazy english, then i think most peaple would agree with me, (and dont come at me about my spelling since english is not my first language) thank you for listening and have a nice day. (had to edit some of it since a hardcore duel hater reported my comment and had it removed)

negerleif.2106:

(had to edit some of it since a hardcore duel hater reported my comment and had it removed)

You compared anybody opposed to duels to racist genocidal maniacs and deserved to have it reported. Nothing to do with “hardcore” duel-hating.

negerleif.2106:

YES!!! we have the right to duel wherever and whenever we want! and dont tell me otherwise! since costume brawls can take place anywhere and i dont like them. but i have never been crying about it before! not untill now when people say that we duels fans should only be able to duel in arenas.. that just unfair! i want to be able to fight a duel with my mates when i feel like it and on any location. so dont come here with you’re “duels are fine as long as its in an arena” crap! have some sympathy! if people can read this and understand my enraged and crazy english, then i think most peaple would agree with me, (and dont come at me about my spelling since english is not my first language) thank you for listening and have a nice day. (had to edit some of it since a hardcore duel hater reported my comment and had it removed)

Posts like this are why people don’t want dueling. NSDAP notwithstanding.

uknortherner.2670:

negerleif.2106:

(had to edit some of it since a hardcore duel hater reported my comment and had it removed)

You compared anybody opposed to duels to racist genocidal maniacs and deserved to have it reported. Nothing to do with “hardcore” duel-hating.

Boy, that escalated quickly! (guys, if we let this thread derail, it will end up being closed)

Anyway, duels would be nice indeed. They would be fun to participate and to watch. The thing is, there must be a way to block duel invites from people, for I don’t want to receive an invitation every 15 seconds while I’m exploring/roleplaying/doing something else.

Hoyvin.3241:

negerleif.2106:

YES!!! we have the right to duel wherever and whenever we want! and dont tell me otherwise! since costume brawls can take place anywhere and i dont like them. but i have never been crying about it before! not untill now when people say that we duels fans should only be able to duel in arenas.. that just unfair! i want to be able to fight a duel with my mates when i feel like it and on any location. so dont come here with you’re “duels are fine as long as its in an arena” crap! have some sympathy! if people can read this and understand my enraged and crazy english, then i think most peaple would agree with me, (and dont come at me about my spelling since english is not my first language) thank you for listening and have a nice day. (had to edit some of it since a hardcore duel hater reported my comment and had it removed)

Posts like this are why people don’t want dueling. NSDAP notwithstanding.

Very much so, and we have no “right” to duel. Anet will decide what we have the right to do. They are telling us otherwise, unless they decide to change pve maps into essentially pvp enabled maps.

Hopefully it will not be open world duels and the griefing that it brings (as I detailed the mechanics thereof in another post; Auto Decline is not enough, it will require an option for No PvP Auto Flagging as well…unless the servers work in a drastically different way than is usually the case, and I doubt it).

As others mentioned there are custom arenas, and maybe Anet will add other dueling options. But open world brings griefing and the worst chat trolling possible.

I don’t know how I missed this thread before. I’ve wished for open world dueling since the release as well.

I want duels for a selfish reason, I know I’m bad >.<. I want to duel with my friends. I test different builds out and it would be nice to be able to test this build against a player rather than an NPC. Yes PvP is an option, and I do do that, but I also like testing out who is better against my friends. It’s a little bit of friendly rivalry. Idk how Dueling could be implemented, but I would love to see it so. I know selfish reasons, but I’m only hoping.

In other MMO’s map duels were very constructive. I remember that many players assisted to this fights outside major cities and compare build efficiency, fighting techniques, etc.

This is a great idea that will bring more people together.

How, exactly, will it bring more people together? I know that the first thing I’ll be doing if anyone tries spamming me with duel requests will be to block the sender.

I don’t see any reason why players can’t challenge each other to a simple duel anywhere. My friends and I have wished since launch we could test out builds and different playstyles on each other in simple, friendly duels.

http://i.imgur.com/inYDU.jpg

I thought it was already confirmed some time ago. Got that image from the GW2 wiki.

Implement duels YESTERDAY !
As Jon Peter said its OUR game and most of as want to have the ability to duel.

I’m in for it. It can’t harm anyone if you have an option to block duels. Also, limit the level of duelers to own level – 3, so they can’t challenge anyone that is outside the range.

Sirendor.1394:

I’m in for it. It can’t harm anyone if you have an option to block duels. Also, limit the level of duelers to own level – 3, so they can’t challenge anyone that is outside the range.

And make them invisible, so they don’t clog waypoints. Make them unable to get world aggro, so they don’t break events. Make the inevitable “duel be brah” spam a bannable offense.

Do that, and I might consider it something less than truly annoying. That other game, which features dueling, is a mess of “duel me bruh” spam, and griefers. Neither is wanted here.

Also very happy that the “unofficial” dueling ground in WvW has become a free source of badges on my server. You guys are encouraged to keep that up.

This is for open world, its meant to be slower like keg brawls, other things.

Duel
1v1: Fights are slower to make fights more epic.
1 Each player/pet/minion takes 50% less damage/condition damage.
2 No downed state, when the player is downed he is defeated.

Brawl
Group vs Group: Fights are slower to make fights more epic.
1 Each player/pet/minion takes 50% less damage/conditon damage.
2 No downed state, when a player is downed, he is defeated and out of the fight. When all the group is defeated the other group wins. It would be very team oriented, losing one teammate makes you 4/5 less effective in a brawl.

This would be like super smash brothers, could have cool fights in epic places, like the giant bridge in Caledon, and be awesome for role-play.

I hear ya buddy—slower fights. +1

+1 totally agree..

uknortherner.2670:

How, exactly, will it bring more people together? I know that the first thing I’ll be doing if anyone tries spamming me with duel requests will be to block the sender.

Well I’m sure you won’t have to block the person if you have the right options from the start:

• “Available for duel”
• “Not available for duel”

Open World duels would be AWESOME.

Personally I would not find it was this feature I would be using BUT it would add a new social aspect and more fun to the game, making it more enjoyable.

JubeiTM.5763:

uknortherner.2670:

How, exactly, will it bring more people together? I know that the first thing I’ll be doing if anyone tries spamming me with duel requests will be to block the sender.

Well I’m sure you won’t have to block the person if you have the right options from the start:

• “Available for duel”
• “Not available for duel”

and even if you set it to not available, you’ll get “duel be brah! duel me! you scared? you bad? duel me? duel meeeee!”

This happens. Hell, there have been people in this thread that have flat out said they would do that.

If you so desperately want to play 1v1, go buy mortal kombat, keep the kiddies/griefers off of here.

Open world brawling would be amazing.

This is not a suggestion to implement dueling. This is a suggestion for current dueling arena room to limit bunkers from dueling for hours and hours.

My suggestion: Make a rule that limit healing. Minimum of one heal vs 10 healings. This way, a bunker cannot last forever, the one who heals the most loses.

No bunker lasts forever.
Dueling in GW2 is actually quite slow if made good.
Obviously, if both the contenders run berserker gear, the duel will last few seconds, but if they both are built with good defenses, the duel will last quite much but always leading to an end. It is just a matter of using your CC at the right time, stripping the right boon, using your burst skill at the right time… That’s all.
Obviously, if both the players are running bunker and mashing their buttons randomly, the duel won’t end until any of them have enough luck to find the good combination to beat the enemy.

stale.9785:

JubeiTM.5763:

uknortherner.2670:

How, exactly, will it bring more people together? I know that the first thing I’ll be doing if anyone tries spamming me with duel requests will be to block the sender.

Well I’m sure you won’t have to block the person if you have the right options from the start:

• “Available for duel”
• “Not available for duel”

and even if you set it to not available, you’ll get “duel be brah! duel me! you scared? you bad? duel me? duel meeeee!”

This happens. Hell, there have been people in this thread that have flat out said they would do that.

If you so desperately want to play 1v1, go buy mortal kombat, keep the kiddies/griefers off of here.

Really, griefers?

There is a simple way to resolve your problem: Ignore the player

There’s no need to not add a feature that would greatly enrich the game for many players simply because people don’t have the capacity to ignore the immature, or just don’t use their ignore list.

The reason why /duel is not in the game is because arenanet wont make money out of it. IT WONT HAPPEN. Its not hard to code and its easy to implement in the game. Why else do u think they added spvp tokens?

Kukchi.6173:

The reason why /duel is not in the game is because arenanet wont make money out of it. IT WONT HAPPEN. Its not hard to code and its easy to implement in the game. Why else do u think they added spvp tokens?

Increased player base from people who want dueling is how Anet will make money. It’s also VERY LIKELY TO HAPPEN in some form. Costume brawl and other plained mini games is PROOF that Anet likes dueling.

I’m sure Anet is planning dueling with limitations on where and how players can duel each other.

Hello,
Would it hurt the game if it had dueling?

I imagine it working just fine. It would be out int he normal world. You wouldn’t have to go to WVW and risk to get trampled by a group of 30 or PvP and risk to get trampled by a group of 10.

I don’t see the harm in it. It could be a simple system of requesting, accepting or declining. I think it would create a new and interesting dynamic to the communities. People would start forming small dueling groups (or not). Either way, the world in gw2 is filled with so many interesting locations to have dueling showdowns.
I think it would be a invigorating experience.

I understand that people probably wouldn’t want the hostility that could come out of it. I think as it is right now people are already hostile and rude to each other. I think there needs to be a balance to La La land with some chaos. Yes you can go in to WvW for that, but even then at times I want to fight the guys on my server. Yes you could do it in PVP but I would like to fight with the equipment I have earned in the normal(pve) world; and I don’t want to get in to the difference between pvp gear and pve gear.

I currently am playing the Firefall beta. I must say its a very thrilling experience playing that game. You can do just as much and even more in pve. With dynamic events and randomly generated missions. The list goes on. Players help each other. When you’re about to die you can be revived. You’re not rewarded for it, players just do it because they feel its a good thing to do. In the midst of all of the pve and the exploring and fighting very good npc Ai for an mmo, people can stop, get off their bikes and issue a duel any time they want. People crowd around and watch. Its really cool!

Its great how a small detail like dueling, can add so much to the experience of the player. Some of my favorite memories in gaming are from vanilla WoW and encountering opposing faction players and having one on one fights out at the crossroads. You’d build up a name like that too.
Granted that was fighting with an opposing faction, but there was honor and people understood 1v1 situations because that was established through duels. On top of that, dueling in front of Orgrimmar was always great!

Anyway Anet, have you considered adding Open (pve) world Duels?

Thanks for reading (I hope)
-Mandra

They already added Duels.
Custom arenas in the sPvP area.

That is probably the closest thing you will get to duels in the game.

Did you even read, lordkrall? He talks about that, and how he’d think it’d be more interesting with his own equipment that he earned.

I agree that duels should be added, particularly in the PVE world. Sitting around watching people duel in the full open world, while other things go on is a much different experience than sitting in a dedicated pvp area and fighting eachother.

As a fan of vanilla WoW, which I’d pass by this all the time, and it added a layer of atmosphere to the game, I would really like to see this added.

structured pvp is just not the same, in any way. it feels a bit alienating to have to go into the pvp area, and find a server people are ACTUALLY dueling in, and not just devolving into normal pvping, just in order to do something I enjoy I have to bend pretty far backwards.

I understand it doesn’t quite fit into the “only coop in open world” idea, but dueling doesn’t pit the entire server against each other, just two players, for a few minutes tops, and then they are back to being buddies as much as you like.