Guild Wars 2

Pact is not entirely Whispers, you know. Priory cares about elder dragons and knowledge, Vigil cares about elder dragons and elder dragons. No more elder dragons in orr, nothing really besides cleansing it from risen stragglers and stealing uncovering precious orrian artifacts to do there.

Winds.3087:

Pact is not entirely Whispers, you know. Priory cares about elder dragons and knowledge, Vigil cares about elder dragons and elder dragons. No more elder dragons in orr, nothing really besides cleansing it from risen stragglers and stealing uncovering precious orrian artifacts to do there.

you make it sound like the orders care about nothing but the dragons and thats not true.
and orr would make a great headquerter far away from other dragons so its easy to train soldiers make plans and produce weapons. a RL example would be russia under WW2 moveing there production out of the german bombers range making the productions workers safe from that tread.

lets see i will agree to give it to the human race if the vigil gets the right to claim taxes and recuite soldiers with a HQ, the priory wants all rights to any artifact for study, the whispers want any documents still there and the pact as a whole wants a HQ and the right to manover its armys around in any human terretory as they see fit.
and the funny part each order has the right to claim stuff like that if the humans want to have it as it where not the humans freeing it so they have no way to say no to any claims the orders make.

and thats given that the orders agree to give it to kryta, tho the orders might say they want to make a nation there for anyone that wants to join much like la

You think that the Pact is a greedy disrespectful capitalist world-devouring army.

GW2 isn’t that complicated. Everyone is a good-doer. That’s all.

It will be a human land. But we won’t see any changes until GW3.

I’d refrain from comparing it with real world. This game has way too much plot holes, quaggan backpacks, asuran deus ex machinas and ellen kiels in the pirate council to be even remotely believable.

In the end, it’s all about how anet feels like orr. I expect Palawa Joko assuming direct control under now confused risen and kicking dem pact outta orr. But that’s just me.

Nah, Joko powers and knowledge is not even close to Zhaitan. I think he don’t have a slightest idea how to control Risen.

Rednik.3809:

Nah, Joko powers and knowledge is not even close to Zhaitan. I think he don’t have a slightest idea how to control Risen.

Don’t underestimate Joko, I think he’s secretly Mumm-Ra!

On a more serious note, I’m not sure if Risen work like regular undead. Usually undead tend to flock around the strongest undead they can find, no matter if that undead is a necromancer or not. In that case Joko could gain control of them pretty easily, since he is easily one of the most powerful undead around and a necromancer too.
However, they are dragon minions first and undead second. They fanatically serve Zhaitan, that could possibly overwrite the normal undead behavior.

BuddhaKeks.4857:

Rednik.3809:

Nah, Joko powers and knowledge is not even close to Zhaitan. I think he don’t have a slightest idea how to control Risen.

Don’t underestimate Joko, I think he’s secretly Mumm-Ra!

On a more serious note, I’m not sure if Risen work like regular undead. Usually undead tend to flock around the strongest undead they can find, no matter if that undead is a necromancer or not. In that case Joko could gain control of them pretty easily, since he is easily one of the most powerful undead around and a necromancer too.
However, they are dragon minions first and undead second. They fanatically serve Zhaitan, that could possibly overwrite the normal undead behavior.

I kind of had the same theory. Given that Zhaitan is the absolute in regards to Necromancy, I think it’s possible that theoretically a Necromancer could take control of the Risen, at least the lower tier ones such as the animals. Bear in mind though, given they’re dragon minions it’s possible that this may be false as dragons do corrupt the magic they’re associated with to some degree. Hence, Elementalists can’t do crud with Destroyers and Icebrood.

Gandarel.5091:

You think that the Pact is a greedy disrespectful capitalist world-devouring army.

GW2 isn’t that complicated. Everyone is a good-doer. That’s all.

It will be a human land. But we won’t see any changes until GW3.

what is disrespect in saying that they need to make a multi race nation for it with a council like LA? its not like they are tearing anything down or stuff like that
what most of the people disagreeing to you are saying thakittens going to be a multi race nation not a human nation, meaning that they are not giving the land to the humans but giving it to all races and most likely with rules that makes it so that the relics must not be destroyed.
it would first get disrecpetfull if they just tore it down to the ground(and they most likely have to do that to all the temples anyway because of them being corrupt by zhaitan)

Korsbaek.9803:

Gandarel.5091:

You think that the Pact is a greedy disrespectful capitalist world-devouring army.

GW2 isn’t that complicated. Everyone is a good-doer. That’s all.

It will be a human land. But we won’t see any changes until GW3.

what is disrespect in saying that they need to make a multi race nation for it with a council like LA? its not like they are tearing anything down or stuff like that
what most of the people disagreeing to you are saying thakittens going to be a multi race nation not a human nation, meaning that they are not giving the land to the humans but giving it to all races and most likely with rules that makes it so that the relics must not be destroyed.
it would first get disrecpetfull if they just tore it down to the ground(and they most likely have to do that to all the temples anyway because of them being corrupt by zhaitan)

Since when Pact is the dominant power in Tyria who wants to influence what’s not their business?

Nobody tried to take LA from the humans after the flood, but pirates. Outlaws. Pretty much the same situation.

no the pact is not a nation but the pact is the dominant power in tyria right now and it is there business for what purpes the land shall be used and the pact is a multi race groupe so why would they not make orr a multi race nation?

Because Orr is an ancestral human land an infinite times more than Ascalon will ever be an ancestral charr land. If the races don’t want to become greedy hypocrites, they’ll give it back to their rightful human owners.

First, the Pact has as many rights as its 3 orders give it. The nations from which the order members come have shown that they are not interested in Pact affairs as long as the Pact does its job. Anyone can even join an order without having to leave its nation behind (with the possible exception of the Charr).

The 3 orders have given command over the Pact to the hands of a leader “elected” by common consent, Trahearne, and the fate of Orr would most likely be decided by him (and his commander), with the interests of the 3 orders being taken into consideration.

But i can only see the Priory being interested in studying the orrian artifacts. The order of Whispers would probably be interested in getting a base closer to Elona, nothing else, and the Vigil is probably the order with the least interest in Orr.

If any other nation other than humanity would have an interest in claiming Orr they would most likely have to deal with the Pact, and i doubt that any of them would risk damaging the Pact by withdrawing their support. Not until the Pact has served its purpose, and that is years in the future – by then the Pact will have established itself as the guardian of Tyria, beyond the destruction of the elder dragons.

The Pact leadership has shown that they (Trahearne, the commander, the heads of the 3 orders) are capable of acting on behalf of the greater good of all nations and species, so i doubt that any of them would support claims to Orr that are not justified. And humanity has the only “legal” claim to Orr. But first anyone has to make a claim to it, and Kryta has too many problems at hand to consider claiming Orr.

I can see the Pact opening Orr to all species, it fits the mood of the game, but not just to deny the land to humanity should Kryta claim it. And this is what some posts in this thread feel like, that people want to deny the land to humanity.

Kryta hasn’t made a claim and i can’t imagine them to do so. It may very well happen that the Pact HAS to decide about it for lack of interest from any nation. And how would the Pact leadership decide? A multi-nation organization? If there is need for a decision at all…

as Frosch.7809 is saying humans wont be denied living in orr but nieghter will the other races so humans most likely cant get solo regem over it but they get the rights to live there as much as they want.

I think chances are Kryta will never rule over Orr. Kryta has waaaaaaaay too many problems to deal with already to add colonizing a new nation to the list. I would think that if humanity claimed it at all, it would end up being more of a selected leader taking people without stripping the seraph of their fighting force and colonizing the land that way. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a few human settlements pop up, but there is very little chance that, should humanity be the only interested party, a solid government and human nation would arise within the time-period that we’ll see.

Narcemus.1348:

I think chances are Kryta will never rule over Orr. Kryta has waaaaaaaay too many problems to deal with already to add colonizing a new nation to the list. I would think that if humanity claimed it at all, it would end up being more of a selected leader taking people without stripping the seraph of their fighting force and colonizing the land that way. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a few human settlements pop up, but there is very little chance that, should humanity be the only interested party, a solid government and human nation would arise within the time-period that we’ll see.

true if humanety is the only once intrested then it will be a solo human government but if they are not the only once then it will most likely be multi raced govenment

I bet canthans would be interested. New lands and all. Helps with overpopulation y’know.

Quaggans. It’d be quaggans. It must be that way. They’ll go to the Melaggan shrine in the cathedral of verdance and they’ll worship her.

Charr should want to colonize Orr.

Ascalon is landlocked. If the Charr took over Orr, they will be able to open up ports and begin ruling the seas.

runeblade.7514:

Charr should want to colonize Orr.

Ascalon is landlocked. If the Charr took over Orr, they will be able to open up ports and begin ruling the seas.

Those kities don’t even like water. It should be quaggans. And shookooshoo the incredible will host shows every day there.

runeblade.7514:

Charr should want to colonize Orr.

Ascalon is landlocked. If the Charr took over Orr, they will be able to open up ports and begin ruling the seas.

And why would the charr want that place? Also, that’s the ancestral human land. If charr would ever show a little interest, then let’s claim Ascalon from those hypocrite kitties claiming Ascalon because “ancestral land”.

I don’t see why would any of the races claim Orr. It’s out of their reach and humans are clearly the heirs of that land. I’m not saying Kryta, but humans as a race. No races claimed LA after the flood, but pirates.

Yes the pact helped to take back the land. That’s their job! After they’re done, they will move on, leaving behind the ancestral holy human ground. I guess charrs won’t travel a half continent through branded and Palawa’s armies to claim a land starting a war with humanity. Norns are too far to care. Pale tree is not a conquerror and asuras got brain to know why they shouldn’t claim that land.

runeblade.7514:

Charr should want to colonize Orr.

Ascalon is landlocked. If the Charr took over Orr, they will be able to open up ports and begin ruling the seas.

Now seriously, the most likely future inhabitants of or are Joko’s undead.

Ludovicus.7980:

runeblade.7514:

Charr should want to colonize Orr.
Ascalon is landlocked. If the Charr took over Orr, they will be able to open up ports and begin ruling the seas.

Those kities don’t even like water. It should be quaggans. And shookooshoo the incredible will host shows every day there.

Cool story, bro…

Wait… what?

Charr don’t like water? Says who?

Drakkon.4782:

Ludovicus.7980:

runeblade.7514:

Charr should want to colonize Orr.
Ascalon is landlocked. If the Charr took over Orr, they will be able to open up ports and begin ruling the seas.

Those kities don’t even like water. It should be quaggans. And shookooshoo the incredible will host shows every day there.

Cool story, bro…

Wait… what?

Charr don’t like water? Says who?

Says Rytlock (read edge of destiny)
He didn’t even know how to swim at the beginning.

Ludovicus.7980:

Drakkon.4782:

Ludovicus.7980:

runeblade.7514:

Charr should want to colonize Orr.
Ascalon is landlocked. If the Charr took over Orr, they will be able to open up ports and begin ruling the seas.

Those kities don’t even like water. It should be quaggans. And shookooshoo the incredible will host shows every day there.

Cool story, bro…

Wait… what?

Charr don’t like water? Says who?

Says Rytlock (read edge of destiny)
He didn’t even know how to swim at the beginning.

there exist humans that dont know how to swim to and not all humans are scared of water so big time flawed logic

Winds.3087:

I bet canthans would be interested. New lands and all. Helps with overpopulation y’know.

We don’t know that they have an overpopulation problem. They did in GW1, but that was before an afflicted invasion and a few major wars between warring guilds, a purging from the Ministry of Purity, and eventually the war to conquer the land. On top of that Kurzick and Luxon land is both in the process of healing and fully under the control of the empire so spreading out is much more viable.

Also, canthans was not involved into Risen war at all, so i think if they will make claim to Orr, Pact answer will be like “lolwut?”. Kryta humans at least have some descendants of old Orr humans, Cantha have none.

To be perfectly honest Orr will probably remain in pact hands for a long, long time. IF the pact were eventually to move out,Arah and the temples would probably be returned to human control(I honestly can’t see Kryta letting anyone else but the pact hold it) but most of the continent would remain open to everyone especially considering the nearby safety of fort trinity

Pacifica.9576:

To be perfectly honest Orr will probably remain in pact hands for a long, long time. IF the pact were eventually to move out,Arah and the temples would probably be returned to human control(I honestly can’t see Kryta letting anyone else but the pact hold it) but most of the continent would remain open to everyone especially considering the nearby safety of fort trinity

the temples will most likely be caretaken by humans if they are not needed to be taken down because of dragon corruption
i dont think Kryta get much of a say in there but a new nation with mixed races sounds likely as it might be a good ide if they can work toghter

Most likely the Largos will along with humans that are of Orrian decent. Why did I mention the Largos? Research them for yourself and connect the dots, it’s very rewarding once you do.

Narcemus.1348:

We don’t know that they have an overpopulation problem. They did in GW1, but that was before an afflicted invasion and a few major wars between warring guilds, a purging from the Ministry of Purity, and eventually the war to conquer the land. On top of that Kurzick and Luxon land is both in the process of healing and fully under the control of the empire so spreading out is much more viable.

Bunch of brutes rose from bronze age to mortars and tanks in the matter of 250 years, and you think witty asians with extreme levels of population growth won’t find their way? Come on. I think their emperor already has his own mist-shuttle by now.
Jade sea and petrified forests perhaps already thawed too.

Winds.3087:

Bunch of brutes rose from bronze age to mortars and tanks in the matter of 250 years, and you think witty asians with extreme levels of population growth won’t find their way? Come on. I think their emperor already has his own mist-shuttle by now.
Jade sea and petrified forests perhaps already thawed too.

Isolation always = almost dead science and overall stagnation. Source – IRL history.

Rednik.3809:

Isolation always = almost dead science and overall stagnation. Source – IRL history.

Yeah, well, the thing is, we ain’t hangin’ near history club tonight when we want to think about this game’s reality which features actual gods, portals, other dimensions, magic, undead, huge freaking dragons eating magic and corrupting everything they touch, living plants, gnomes little smart humanoids etc.

Korsbaek.9803:

Pacifica.9576:

To be perfectly honest Orr will probably remain in pact hands for a long, long time. IF the pact were eventually to move out,Arah and the temples would probably be returned to human control(I honestly can’t see Kryta letting anyone else but the pact hold it) but most of the continent would remain open to everyone especially considering the nearby safety of fort trinity

the temples will most likely be caretaken by humans if they are not needed to be taken down because of dragon corruption
i dont think Kryta get much of a say in there but a new nation with mixed races sounds likely as it might be a good ide if they can work toghter

I really don’t see humanity taking it well if arah were handed to someone else. To the point where it might cause a problem with the pact because of how many humans would drop out/start resistance against them. I pretty much see it like you said: anywhere that isnt arah or a temple will be a sort of lions arch deal.

But why would any race leave their homes to move in to another race’s ancient land that is totally different to what they are used to and is pretty far away.

You can force this for sure… but srsly we know the Pact and the storytelling – bunch of good-doers. They know where Orr belongs to and they will give it back to humanity. Not Kryta, humanity.

And LA was founded by mostly human pirates, not other races moving in after a flood.

Gandarel.5091:

But why would any race leave their homes to move in to another race’s ancient land that is totally different to what they are used to and is pretty far away.

You can force this for sure… but srsly we know the Pact and the storytelling – bunch of good-doers. They know where Orr belongs to and they will give it back to humanity. Not Kryta, humanity.

And LA was founded by mostly human pirates, not other races moving in after a flood.

i was referring to lions arch because its a multicultural city

and yes it doesnt make sense for anyone else to take it which is why i was talking about how much of a storm it would cause

Gandarel.5091:

But why would any race leave their homes to move in to another race’s ancient land that is totally different to what they are used to and is pretty far away.

You can force this for sure… but srsly we know the Pact and the storytelling – bunch of good-doers. They know where Orr belongs to and they will give it back to humanity. Not Kryta, humanity.

And LA was founded by mostly human pirates, not other races moving in after a flood.

there is a diffrence with the LA way and the humanity way as LA way is open for all but Humanity way is open for humans only and thats why it will be a LA kinda thing in my oppinion and most likely the temples are going to be destroyed to get the corruption out of them and that leaves arah left without temples and statues. basivcly a large amount of houses nothing else now.

and what people are pushing for is a mixed race communety or the option to move there if people wanted to as all pact related people have a right to claim land there now plus the famileys of the dead pact members have a right to get a proberly burriel there if they want to

if humans where to claim it most likely it will couse a strom just as huge as if anyone else is to claim it and thats why it will get to be a new nation of orrians and that nation is most likely going to be mixed races

At first the most logical “who” would be sea pirates (of mixed culture). At some point us players with our good intentions would head over there and thank them for dealing with the biggest risks by slaying them – probably not in the GW2 era though.

Or Trahearne’s cleansing spell is some form of an area denial incantation and the Pale Tree’s objective has been claiming Orr for herself all along, due to the magical history and potential of the area. Again, likely not in GW2 era (or ever with the current happy-go-lucky story telling).

I’d say I agree with the consensus that barring the temples, it’d become a general port city.

Keep in mind though, that it’d be a long time before that happens anyway because you have Risen everywhere, and Zhaitan’s influence is still slowly fading from the land. Nothing’s gonna happen if you can’t clean the area for further development.

Ludovicus.7980:

Drakkon.4782:

Ludovicus.7980:

runeblade.7514:

Charr should want to colonize Orr.
Ascalon is landlocked. If the Charr took over Orr, they will be able to open up ports and begin ruling the seas.

Those kities don’t even like water. It should be quaggans. And shookooshoo the incredible will host shows every day there.

Cool story, bro…

Wait… what?

Charr don’t like water? Says who?

Says Rytlock (read edge of destiny)
He didn’t even know how to swim at the beginning.

“Rytlock can’t swim, so no Charr can swim.” Logical falacy. My Charr swim quite well. In fact I enjoy swimming a lot. Not that swimming has anything to do with CONQUERING ORR.

The Charr tried it once, and it scared the weak and pathetic humans so much they sank the island rather than submit. If the humans can’t/won’t take back Orr, then the Charr have the right, duty, and destiny to do so. Swimming doesn’t even factor in.

Winds.3087:

Narcemus.1348:

We don’t know that they have an overpopulation problem. They did in GW1, but that was before an afflicted invasion and a few major wars between warring guilds, a purging from the Ministry of Purity, and eventually the war to conquer the land. On top of that Kurzick and Luxon land is both in the process of healing and fully under the control of the empire so spreading out is much more viable.

Bunch of brutes rose from bronze age to mortars and tanks in the matter of 250 years, and you think witty asians with extreme levels of population growth won’t find their way? Come on. I think their emperor already has his own mist-shuttle by now.
Jade sea and petrified forests perhaps already thawed too.

We don’t know that the canthans have massive levels of population growth though. It is stated in Factions that the overpopulation problem in Kaineng City was almost fully caused by the fact that the Jade Wind forced people to flee the Echovald Forest and Jade Sea. Now that those areas are healing (we know they are healing but not how long it will take for the healing to be complete) the areas can be moved back into. That plus massive amounts of population decline caused by disease, affliction, and war after war after war after war would make there be little need to expand past the continent they already have. Isolationist countries very rarely have reason to expand, because doing so makes them vulnerable. There is no reason for them to try to claim land, especially as far away as Orr. Heck if they went to claim anything it would probably be Elona more than anything because it is much closer, and less of a strain on resources, but that I find even less likely.

Gandarel.5091:

runeblade.7514:

Charr should want to colonize Orr.

Ascalon is landlocked. If the Charr took over Orr, they will be able to open up ports and begin ruling the seas.

And why would the charr want that place?

I gave you a reason:

Ascalon is landlocked. If the Charr took over Orr, they will be able to open up ports and begin ruling the seas.

Gandarel.5091:

But why would any race leave their homes to move in to another race’s ancient land that is totally different to what they are used to and is pretty far away.

You can force this for sure… but srsly we know the Pact and the storytelling – bunch of good-doers. They know where Orr belongs to and they will give it back to humanity. Not Kryta, humanity.

And LA was founded by mostly human pirates, not other races moving in after a flood.

That logic is sound.

Time to wipe off the definition of migration, immigration and, emigration.

Time to scoff at the people today, the past, the near future and the far future that emigrates away from their homeland.

Or open up a book and look at all the reason why migration even happens in the first place.

Narcemus.1348:

We don’t know that the canthans have massive levels of population growth though. It is stated in Factions that the overpopulation problem in Kaineng City was almost fully caused by the fact that the Jade Wind forced people to flee the Echovald Forest and Jade Sea. Now that those areas are healing (we know they are healing but not how long it will take for the healing to be complete) the areas can be moved back into. That plus massive amounts of population decline caused by disease, affliction, and war after war after war after war would make there be little need to expand past the continent they already have. Isolationist countries very rarely have reason to expand, because doing so makes them vulnerable. There is no reason for them to try to claim land, especially as far away as Orr. Heck if they went to claim anything it would probably be Elona more than anything because it is much closer, and less of a strain on resources, but that I find even less likely.

Well yes, tho I don’t agree with some points(don’t forget this is fantasy stuff and if they want canthans doing something, they will do it no matter how isolationist they are because it’s obviously magic – and we don’t even know for sure if they are isolationist at all).
Now I’m actually waiting for someone to burn LA down.

runeblade.7514:

Gandarel.5091:

runeblade.7514:

Charr should want to colonize Orr.

Ascalon is landlocked. If the Charr took over Orr, they will be able to open up ports and begin ruling the seas.

And why would the charr want that place?

I gave you a reason:

Ascalon is landlocked. If the Charr took over Orr, they will be able to open up ports and begin ruling the seas.

And what would they do with a sea? Trade with angry humans in Cantha, Kryta and Elona?

This would definitely start a war for orr and Ascalon.

And about your imigration topic:
Norn is a proud race, which was driven back once, and won’t leave their land again.
Charrs are tied to their Legions, and unless the legions caim Orr, that won’t happen. Gladiums will most likely go to LA not Orr. If they want to set foot in Orr, that’s a Tyrian world war.
Asuras are smart enough to not to do this.
Sylvari race isn’t a conquerror one.
This is an ancient human land, Pact is a bunch of good-doers who always return everything to the former owners. Humans will have it. But not in GW2, so it’s a bit pointless to discuss.

I wouldn’t put too much stock in the asuran governments ability to make wise descisions. They knowingly held back information that could help fight the dragons because they think they can harness the power and come out on top. :P

Gandarel.5091:

And what would they do with a sea? Trade with angry humans in Cantha, Kryta and Elona?

Source?

This would definitely start a war for orr and Ascalon.

Source?

And about your immigration topic:
Norn is a proud race, which was driven back once, and won’t leave their land again.
Charrs are tied to their Legions, and unless the legions caim Orr, that won’t happen. Gladiums will most likely go to LA not Orr. If they want to set foot in Orr, that’s a Tyrian world war.
Asuras are smart enough to not to do this.
Sylvari race isn’t a conqueror one.

Counterpoint:

Norn: Orr isn’t cold enough for them. They’d have no direct interest in it unless there was something there the Spirits directed them to control, which isn’t likely. Queue Doffenschmirtz’s Leastlikelyinator.

Charr: Tried to take it once. The Legions might decide to finish the job, seeing as it isn’t actually controlled by anyone, and they are a militaristic expansionist race. Of all the races on Tyria, besides humans, the Charr are the MOST likely to try and take Orr, and have the least reasons not to.
As for your poorly conceived logic, Gladium don’t care about the consequences of their actions. They’re Honorless. That’s the point of being a Gladium. They wouldn’t care if they started a war, which wouldn’t happen because no one would care about a couple individuals moving into a bunch of ruins.

Humans: There isn’t any one nation on Tyria that can directly colonize Orr at the moment. Kryta is involved with the fight against the Aetherblades, and unless the fight leads to Orr, they won’t have the resources to deal with it. Likelwise their fight with the Centaur tribes, Bandits, and the brokering of the peace deal between Ebonhawke and the Black Citadel in Ascalon.
We don’t know what’s up with Cantha, but this seems unlikely, though more likely than either DR or LA. I’d personally lay even odds between the Charr and the Canthas.
Elona? Yeah, haven’t heard anything from these guys since we killed a god and made a new one. IIRC, they’re on a very different coast from Orr, though, so less likely to be interested in Orr than Cantha.

Asura: Expansionists, but not militaristically, like the Charr. These guys are economic expansionists, so they wouldn’t colonize Orr themselves, but if someone else was doing it, they would come along for the ride. The Inquest would set up a secret base there, no doubt, to study the residual magical influence of the Gods, but they wouldn’t colonize Orr. They would just kill anyone who tried because they would be getting too close to their secret base.

Sylvari: Three words: Aggressively Invasive Plants. One word: Kudzu. Maybe not the main Sylvari race, but the Nightmare Court would certainly take advantage of a new place to germinate and grow, and then the Pale Tree would send her Valiants to Orr to fight them.

One way or another, nature abhors a vacuum. Any place left fallow for too long will attract someone to it. If Orr isn’t colonized by one of the five main races, it will be taken over by the Krait, Karka or someone else.

This is an ancient human land, Pact is a bunch of good-doers who always return everything to the former owners. Humans will have it. But not in GW2, so it’s a bit pointless to discuss.

Nothing is pointless to discuss, but if you’re disinterested in discussion, stop poking your nose into the discussion. There’s little point to telling people to stop talking about something that clearly has a chance of being part of the new direction, post Personal Story. Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean that it isn’t there.

What kind of source are you asking for? Only humans are out there in the sea. Maybe some largos and yet unwritten races. And yes it would cause a war for Ascalon and Orr. Source: brain.

There’s only 1 reason the charrs have a semi-legit claim for Ascalon: they call it ‘their ancestral land’. If they would just take the ancestral human land from the humans, wouldn’t they be total ultimate hypocrites?

Moving in to Orr would feel like moving in to someone else’s house while heis away. Full of God teamples, statues. Everythig is about humans and the cores of their religion.

This won’t be contested ground. That just won’t happen.

You can keep reasoning on the base ‘but the could do that’, yes other races could. But won’t.

For some reasons:

1. To ensure other races won’t move in to their lost lands.
2. To not cause a world war. Because not like some others here, they are capable of logical thinking and predicting events.
3. Totally no reason to do so. Yeah lot more resources. Is that worth the risk of exticntion if you already have enough resources?

Yeah, technically monkeys could unite and massacre whole cities to make some wealth. But won’t.

first of the temples are most likely corrupt by zhietan so they most likely needs to be torn down before anyone gets promision to move in there.
the humans dont have the man power to move in there and even if they do kryta as a nation has no right to claim it in any way and saying that the queen is reltated to the orrian king is a no good else your given each monarch in europe the right to claim each trone as they are all related so nope dont work. when you go on one trone you give up the right for any other.

the land will be a new nation if anything and the nation will be mixed in some way as i can not see humans even trying to keep them out without coursing a world war.

I don’t know why everyone thinks the Cathedrals need to be torn down because of Zhaitan’s corruption. We’ve cleared out and removed enemies and cut the temples connection to Zhaitan many times, plus the magic of the land itself has started the process of cleansing, thus most likely the Cathedrals will eventually be cleansed just like the rest of the land.