Guild Wars 2

The deviation on this system is still way too much. I think I’m bored for 66 percent of the match-ups because my server is either annihilating someone or getting owned. (I actually prefer getting owned because there’s at least objectives to go for, but sometimes a dominant zerg can ruin everything.)

with this terrible match up system, couple with the farmfest living story, WvW is dead ….

Server match ups are improving in lower tiers..because people are quitting =D.

Lillie.9106:

I think it’s safe to say 2 of the biggest complaints about WvW are: The fact that this could get done relatively easily and it hasn’t been yet tells me it’s not high on ANet’s priority list, nor will it be so long as they’re getting revenue in other ways.

There is like one dev assigned full time to WvW. That should tell you something when craptent like the bi-weekly updates have several teams of 6+ each working on them.

Anet is leaving the door so wide open for a newer MMO to take over the WvW style play market. It’ only a matter of time now.

Please RNG god, give us enemies that dont outnumber us on every map all day.

well we on Gandara today are hugely outnumbered our wvw population cant even deal with the numbers from deso or abaddon.

random wvw matchups suck.

Week 1: FoW Vs Vabbi Vs WSR
Week 2: FoW Vs Vabbi Vs WSR
Week 3: FoW Vs Vabbi Vs WSR

Week 4: BT Vs Vabbi Vs WSR
Week 5 BT Vs Vabbi Vs WSR

I wonder what the chances are of it being BT Vs Vabbi Vs WSR in Week 6. This matchup system is AWFUL, i mean you couldnt even try to make it any worse then it is right now, the sad thing is…I think you have done this on PURPOSE to squeeze as much money from people as you can through Sever transfer

Devon it’s about time you got your head out of your backside and made some changes, This match-up system is not working.

Colly.4073:

Devon it’s about time you got your head out of your backside and made some changes, This match-up system is not working.

How long have we, the PLAYERS been telling them that – they just dont care. Plus its Anet knowing them they would change it to something worse. It would be a tough challenge but if anyone would be able to do such a thing it would be Anet.

There are still a lot PLAYER which like and support the new matchup system!!
Only the anti-faction produces more posts

PS: We had two lower ranked servers last week, hm, our opponents seemed to like the match: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/Aurora-Glade-v-Elona-Reach-v-Augury-Rock

Dayra.7405:

There are still a lot PLAYER which like and support the new matchup system!!
Only the anti-faction produces more posts

Those would be people on huge pop servers that get to steam roll people on smaller population servers and those that constantly fight other big servers, everyone hates it!

Colly.4073:

Devon it’s about time you got your head out of your backside and made some changes, This match-up system is not working.

Hey… Gandara is facing a rank 3 server again (we are 14) second time after changes! thanks devon

Edit: it was a fun matchup last week against BB/JS ( rank 7 and 8 ) but against a tier 1 server? thats just to far and hard to play against..

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Dayra.7405:

There are still a lot PLAYER which like and support the new matchup system!!
Only the anti-faction produces more posts

Those would be people on huge pop servers that get to steam roll people on smaller population servers and those that constantly fight other big servers, everyone hates it!

On FC we constantly fight higher tiers and I like this matchup system more than the other. It isn’t perfect but it is certainly better. Only people on huge pop server, huh.. I didn’t know FC had a huge population. Maybe they are all hiding in the JPs.

Ynot.8397:

On FC we constantly fight higher tiers and I like this matchup system more than the other. It isn’t perfect but it is certainly better. Only people on huge pop server, huh.. I didn’t know FC had a huge population. Maybe they are all hiding in the JPs.

You might be on a decent server for getting people INTO WvW, doesnt mean every server is like it. For example i bet your server would out number mine in WvW…

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Ynot.8397:

On FC we constantly fight higher tiers and I like this matchup system more than the other. It isn’t perfect but it is certainly better. Only people on huge pop server, huh.. I didn’t know FC had a huge population. Maybe they are all hiding in the JPs.

You might be on a decent server for getting people INTO WvW, doesnt mean every server is like it. For example i bet your server would out number mine in WvW…

But everyone hates it, right? Check out how badly FC gets stomped. I still have fun.

The random match-ups are good for everyone but Tier 1. After three weeks of stomping Fort Aspenwood- we were so bored, people didn’t even go into WvW by the end of the third week.

However- I DO think that matchup’s should be randomized via server pupation. IE Tarnished Coast should face off against Sorrows Furnace- very different in tier, but they have a decent number count to put up a fight. We beat TC ourselves, but atleast it wasn’t a face-roll we did have to work for it.

Frayta.4816:

The random match-ups are good for everyone but Tier 1. After three weeks of stomping Fort Aspenwood- we were so bored, people didn’t even go into WvW by the end of the third week.

However- I DO think that matchup’s should be randomized via server pupation. IE Tarnished Coast should face off against Sorrows Furnace- very different in tier, but they have a decent number count to put up a fight. We beat TC ourselves, but atleast it wasn’t a face-roll we did have to work for it.

Wait, what? SF vs TC? WTF!?!? TC stomps everything below them in a terrible way. You think SF can take on TC with it resulting in anything but people getting spawned camped? What about the other server? Should we send in ET too?

Ynot.8397:

Should we send in ET too?

Nah, ET is too highly populated.

Let’s try TC/AR/DR instead :P

First round of popcorn is on me.

Frayta.4816:

Tarnished Coast should face off against Sorrows Furnace- very different in tier, but they have a decent number count to put up a fight.

wat

Why would you ever wish that on Sorrow’s Furnace? I don’t think you understand how massive the coverage gap between T2(1.5) and T7 is…

The match-up system is not terrible. It’s the server transfer cost system that’s terrible.

There’s little reason for people to want to transfer down when for only a few more gems they can just transfer up and win every week instead.

ANET needs to implement positive reinforcement changes to WvW. I thought this game was going to be PvP/WvW focused and it’s not. There’s nothing exciting going on in WvW. It’s like the same kitten every kittening week now – eg. bugged garrisons and keeps that won’t upgrade, server match ups that are imbalanced to where it’s feels pointless to even try. I bet a lot of people who are sick of long ques on overpopulated servers would like to move if it were free. Also, I know PvE gets bonuses when their WvW is winning, but is it the other way around as well ? They spend too much time of these stories for PvE where you do the same song and dance fights every time. Dynamic events my kitten – it’s the same kitten every time. Once someone figures out how to successfully beat something it’s just rinse and repeat.

Lol my home server(FoW) is getting utterly destroyed against our new line up. There must be quite some players on I think drakkar. Whole EB is theirs, and all borderlands too.
Time to quit.

Do not wuit yet. With introducing league, I hope matchups will be locked in one league, so You would not face Drakkars again

Thread deserves a revive this week.

SoR and TC vs. SoS! Epic. I’ll be enjoying SoR’s 9000 players per map against our 30 on EB and 10 on SoS.

DB vs YB vs Kaineng. Another solid match up!

BP getting Mag dumped on them.

DH and HoD fighting off CD!

Predictable results incoming.

With leagues ensuring you play against every server in your league, you’re guaranteed to have matches like this in the future. I don’t know what things are like in EU but in NA, the coverage and number advantages are just too big to have real competition when match ups like this occur.

Had a quick look at EU, I don’t know their servers well, but in terms of rankings, it looks like chaos there too.

Rank 11 in tier 2!
Rank 5 & Rank6 in tier 4!
Rank1 in tier 3! etc

One of the worse match up weeks I’ve seen…
A couple of 8 rank spreads in NA match ups, and a 12 rank spread in the EU match ups. Why are servers facing other servers up to 2-3 tiers higher? You want to give servers a “challenge” then fine let them jump one tier and do the max spread at 3 or 4 ranks. If you’re trying to demoralize the lower population servers, well congratulations I’m sure more than half the wvw servers won’t care this week. So annoying to see Anet continually ruin one of the best parts of the game, but oh thanks for the handicap points I suppose >.>

1st moves up, 3rd moves down, 2nd stays in tier, I don’t think that’s hard to do.

Feels like an eternity since this was posted:

DevonCarver.5370:

TL;DR: We are going to wait at least a couple more weeks before changing any of the math behind the new system, but it is very likely we’ll decrease the size of the variation at some point.

3 months ago.

Have No Faith In Me.1840:

Had a quick look at EU, I don’t know their servers well, but in terms of rankings, it looks like chaos there too.

Rank 11 in tier 2!
Rank 5 & Rank6 in tier 4!
Rank1 in tier 3! etc

You quote the response from Devon in the post above this one but missed the first part of it I see:

DevonCarver.5370:

The concept of tiers has little meaning at this point and you should try to stop thinking of matchups in those terms. Servers are matched up by proximity of rating, not proximity of “tier”. If the tiers have ratings that are within the range of the random adjustment, they can end up fighting each other.

That said, the difference in rating in the matchups you quote is pretty high.

On the other hand with the top 2 servers being a 100 rating points ahead of the rest I am happy we have some RNG to get difference matchups. As PS we finally made it to the top 3 after having a matchup with the top 2 servers, but another week against them would have been tough.

Have No Faith In Me.1840:

Feels like an eternity since this was posted:

DevonCarver.5370:

TL;DR: We are going to wait at least a couple more weeks before changing any of the math behind the new system, but it is very likely we’ll decrease the size of the variation at some point.

3 months ago.

“at some point” – Really!? This is TERRIBLE. They clearly don’t care. This new League system is for ONE thing – MONEY from players transferring to other servers.

Have No Faith In Me.1840:

Thread deserves a revive this week.

SoR and TC vs. SoS! Epic. I’ll be enjoying SoR’s 9000 players per map against our 30 on EB and 10 on SoS.

DB vs YB vs Kaineng. Another solid match up!

BP getting Mag dumped on them.

DH and HoD fighting off CD!

Predictable results incoming.

I shall cheer for you SoS

This is all part of their plan to force WvW players into SAB

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Colly.4073:

Devon it’s about time you got your head out of your backside and made some changes, This match-up system is not working.

How long have we, the PLAYERS been telling them that – they just dont care. Plus its Anet knowing them they would change it to something worse. It would be a tough challenge but if anyone would be able to do such a thing it would be Anet.

Agree the players complain. The problem is it is only complaining. Never a realistic solution…since there isn’t one.

Terrible match up this week.

HoD vs. CD. CD is rank 10 and Hod is rank 18?

They run a zerg more than double our number in EB even at 5 AM est.

Terrible. The new match up ‘league’ of crap will be the same until they address the main issues behind the imbalance.

This week? In EU its is for weeks now.
this week: rating 1 vs 13, 15 vs 21, 10 vs 18, 5 vs 12
last week: 1 vs6, 4 vs 10, 3 vs 14, 5 vs 15, 8 vs 20 (12 ranks difefrence?), 13 vs 22, 18 vs 25
week before: 4 vs 13, 7 vs 14, 12 vs 18, 15 vs 24,
week before: 1 vs 7, 6 vs 17, 11 vs 20, 14 vs 21, 13 vs 22
and so on

US is fine only few matchups are bad, but in EU almost every matchup is blowout. And thanks to national servers, like Drakkars, which dont have players during early hours but have legion during primetime, they are low in rating, are smaller servers stomped often.
Like Fort Ranik. They dont have people all day but every evening it looks like they will fill all borderlands.

What will end up happening is that Anet will get inaccurate data because the people in the lower tiers will not play if the match-ups are unbalanced. Many people have already decided that they won’t WVW until the season starts, so what does that mean for this test validity? That it’s non-existent. And, other people are moving or deciding to move to the higher tiers before the season starts, which will make any data they do obtain invalid as well.

Basically, what I’ve confirmed from this is that if you want to WVW at all, in either a group with friends or in a zerg, move to higher tier server. I really would like more structured PVP varieties like in GW1 (HoH, GVG, JQ, FA, and Alliance Battles), which is fair play that resets upon queue into a new match. The way this works now… we’re basically sitting the bench for a week to see what next week rolls and that sucks.

Can’t even stand to be in WvW at the moment. SoR has god knows how many players, on every single map, every single hour of every single day.

Sure, we defend the occasional tower against them, as soon as you leave any tower or fort you’re hit by a train. Need to get some supply? Not happening, even the camps are stacked 10+ as well as sieged. Our only hope is siegerazer for supply, hahahahah! It’s so pathetic and is such a depressing atmosphere. Thanks anet.

Getting ready for the leagues which won’t fix anything. If anything it’s going to make wvw even worse. Not to mention bringing back +stat orb control.

Not impressed.

Yeah depressing trying to get my daily yak kill done and getting chased by 10+ SoR halfway across the map because they’re that bored.

As least the roaming is mildly entertaining as always. For now.

Match ups based on glicko need to return, i would like to feel like we can move up a ladder as a server in place of feeling confined to a roll of dice.

And to imagine that once they put in that league garbage, it’s only gonna get worse.

It’s like they read the thread and decided to give you all the middle finger.

I think I’ve figured it out actually. This is Anets plan to balance the WvW populations so that we can have better matches in the future.

Anet can’t forcefully move players from one server to another to balance the populations out. So they come up with something to force the players to move themselves around to balance out the populations.

After being bored to death by the league system, and realizing that the rewards are not worth the boredom, the top tier players will transfer to other servers and spread out the WvW population.

Presto, no more complaints about server matches being terrible!

Until transfer costs to servers takes into account active WvW populations, down transfers won’t often occur.

The only reason for having a home server IS WvW, as you can guest or join instanced-areas for every other activity.

SF vs ET v DR

Not so terrible as some of the other fights, but still very poor. ET is fine as we can give them a good fight at prime-time. SF is zerging all over the place. No fault of theirs, as the matchup system is rubish. Have to give them props for not spawn camping much too. So, bad matchup, but no fault of the other servers.

What is really looking fun is playing vs servers like BP in the near future. I am sure it will be fun as they try to keep 500 points and we ninja fully upgraded keeps and towers from under them. I am sure it will be fun for them babysitting monochrome BLs.

Problem currently, to me, is the size of the WvW.

Back in Warhammer Online there were guilds who would server hop and take their 20 something and just plow straight through the PvP fields to dominate each side fully, just to make a statement. They’d usually go to the lowest most crappiest servers which were being outdominated by the opposing team.

This isn’t as easy in GW2 as the Eternal Battlegrounds takes hours upon hours upon hours and your 20-30 tight knit team might just be overrun by a 50 man zerg and there’s nothing you can do about it.

What WOULD be excellent would be to have the Eternal Battlegrounds lead to the different server maps after conquering SM and then their keep, at which point they can go into their map and if that keep is taken, they’re given a buckload of points and the WvW resets, but the losing team is protected for X amount of time (meaning the winner has to focus on the other team if they want to score more points.

Reset and change servers after Y amount of points have been reached.

This is incentive for high-skilled guilds to actually form up and get involved. It’s even more incentive for them to server hop to the bottom tier just to push the server to T1 and then repeat.

Too much time makes those that group up not care too much as their efforts aren’t rewarded enough.

I still like the new server match up system.

I do wish that there was a solution to server stacking/transfers, but that problem is separate from this one.

Have No Faith In Me.1840:

Feels like an eternity since this was posted:

DevonCarver.5370:

TL;DR: We are going to wait at least a couple more weeks before changing any of the math behind the new system, but it is very likely we’ll decrease the size of the variation at some point.

3 months ago.

The variation in gem sales has been very high so they are keeping the point variation high.

Eu is a real mess this week…
While rank 2, 3 and 4 fight each other rank 1 is matched up versus rank 9 and 13…
Who thought that this is a valid matchup? Rank 1 versus 13?? Thats 12 ranks difference!

Or since only the points matter.. 326111 points difference! Rank 13 has 17% less points than rank 1 and they are matched up against each other?

Right now Rank 1 leads with 157226 points over the 66628 points of rank 13 and millenium.org says they will rise about 25k points with that result.. When they have only 42% of the points of the best server in the matchup? How hard do they have to lose to get into the negative? 20% of the winning server?

There has to be something wrong!

same issue here, SBI vs IOJ vs NSP

IOJ has outnumbered buff in EB in prime times because the zergs from SBI are incredibly huge. And not only that, anet employes play on the server that is already hugely outnumberes other aka on SBI side.

SBI is t2 server and shouldn’t be facing IOJ right now. Worst match up i ever saw. And anet supporting that server is even bigger slap in the face.

This is just really absurd, we face like 70 ppl zergs in every single map and we have to defend it all with our small groups of 20-30 ppl. It feels like in some kind of 300 movie where little group of people keeps fighting huge army day and night and get spam emoted from enemies when that zerg rolls over.

SBi has 2 hours queue times for every wvw map and we have to fight it all with little numbers.

This is not fun by all means, just getting rolled over by groups that are many times bigger than yours. So people just abandon wvw.

Also, every time on this weekend we tried to attack keeps in SBI BL entire group would crash but SBI players wouldn’t. Apprently it is fine for us to attack NSP BL, our BL or even EB but getting keeps in SBI BL is not happening since entire group would crash instantly.

On top of it, SBI and NSP apprently work together now. They don’t attack each other, at some point NSP was sitting in our tower, SBI was sitting outside that tower and they didn’t attack each other, they all waited for us to kill us. SBi doesn’t take NSP points anymore, NSP doesn’t attack SBI neither, they just 2v1 IO right now.
Glad that devs decided to help SBI as well. Thanks bunch.

If you play on the winning side as a dev..why bother fixing the wvw balance?

Mike O’Brien better wise up and start shaking things up in face of declining customer base.