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Mace/shield GS build = Overpowered
Seems like you didn’t get the memo that this was confirmed as a typo shortly after the patch notes were published
Stun breakers, cc, stability, kite ability, Any of these basically full counters them and renders them useless. It’s a gimmick build for abusing bad players that don’t carry stun breakers, etc. It’s also not advised to duel them unless you know how to counter one trick ponies.
This holds true if for example if that warrior is running full zerk geared and the player behind it just started using this build picked from the forum without having the necessary player skills in combat to read and counter his opponent. Then these type of warriors with the same build are easy to defeat. Otherwise, I honestly believe they provide a very good fun challenge regardless how many stunbreakers you carry.
Oh come on. I’ve been watching videos from this guys this morning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c_Dtv--t_Rs
And it’s absolutely ridiculous
A war can run full zerker in 100% crit chance, have more CC/burst than a thief and he’s running around with 20k health and probably over 2,3k armor. and still having really good survival.
I call kitten on that.
Oh come on. I’ve been watching videos from this guys this morning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c_Dtv--t_RsAnd it’s absolutely ridiculous
A war can run full zerker in 100% crit chance, have more CC/burst than a thief and he’s running around with 20k health and probably over 2,3k armor. and still having really good survival.I call kitten on that.
An Axe+Shield/GS Warrior from Feb 6th. I suppose that’s pertinent to the topic.
Or, you know. Not at all.
“He’s like a man with a fork in a world of soup.”
Oh come on. I’ve been watching videos from this guys this morning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c_Dtv--t_RsAnd it’s absolutely ridiculous
A war can run full zerker in 100% crit chance, have more CC/burst than a thief and he’s running around with 20k health and probably over 2,3k armor. and still having really good survival.I call kitten on that.
LOL
You are using Internet Explorer, aren’t you?XD
GS/Axe is kinda old. It’s dangerous if you are a mob or pretending to be one. I fought a similar warrior in pvp. This build is so old I wanted to whisper him just to see if he would have answered me in latin.XD
Ok, I’ll leave this here:
http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html
It is scrubs who judge others by the build they run and expect them to feel ashamed.
Calling the ones who play this build noob doesn’t help at all.
If you assume anyone who plays this build is a noob, I thank you, because you are just doing me a favor by becoming an even easier kill.
I ran for some time this version of the build (it worked even before Healing Signet patch, actually… I used Healing Surge):
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNAR5ejkOpwFPuQMxBE0DNsK2iTBlQ9wOmj4A-TsAg0CnIMSZkzIjRSjsGNsYhwGCA
I wanted to taste the cheese, as some of you said.
And capitalized on the fact people expected me to use Skull Crack and Hundred Blades on them. Well, actually I could manage to take them down by using other GS skills. Many others can’t manage to do that, because they use Soldier’s Amulet. And I managed to defeat many of those guys, too.
And I’m not even such a great warrior.
Morale of the story: if you think all warriors running those weapons just copied and pasted a build and expect to play with two buttons, you are doing us a favor.
And if they nerf healing signet, Let it be. Healing Surge is not much worse.
And about the fact this build is boring… I agree, when I duel in hotjoin, this build is definetely boring. I use hammer there (DON’T BE FOOLED BY THE DPS ARGUMENT: hammer has less dps, but that doesn’t matter if the nemy is disabled all the time needed to land as much damage as the greatsword).
But in tpvp I don’t want to play another build only because I like it more. I play with other people, so I’d like to help them. That’s why I use GS, which gives out of combat mobility. Seems like it brings me luck. Maybe it’s a bit OP, I don’t know.
because he doesn’t know it himself
In WvW they only need to change the food efects and the build is balanced. (even if do not do that there is a +40% condition duration food).
In sPvP – tPvP i usualy dont see good players die against that build. If that build was OP then top players would use it in tournaments.
Why people still answer to this post?
In WvW they only need to change the food efects and the build is balanced. (even if do not do that there is a +40% condition duration food).
In sPvP – tPvP i usualy dont see good players die against that build. If that build was OP then top players would use it in tournaments.
Why people still answer to this post?
Nooo. This is what makes wvw extremely fun for solo/small group roaming. The option to have various builds due to the fact we use our own gears and consumables to strengthens our strong or moderate areas. After reaching rank 50, spvp/tspvp became extremely boring for me and started wvw, that was 4 months ago.
Ok, I’ll leave this here:
I actually really love that article. Read it a few years ago, and it really hit home. I still get irritated by the ego on some of the terrible Warriors who use the build, but eh, people will be people. I know I can beat them with a certain build, but what’s the fun in winning when you know you’ll win? I’d rather work on fun, new things.
“He’s like a man with a fork in a world of soup.”
Shortbow 3. Sword/Dagger 3. Dagger/Dagger 3. Using Infiltrator’s Strike and it’s return on sword to juke. Shadow step. I could go on, it’s quite easy. Please though, before you post next time, make sure you know all of the weapon abilities, because it’s stupid easy to evade while playing a thief.
I can probably make a laaarge list of how to counter this build on thief, and I’m sure anyone who has the slightest idea of how to play their class can do the same.
This build is far from overpowered. It is however, annoying. To make a comparison so you know what I’m talking about, look at a D/P thief. If you know how it plays and know how to counter it, it won’t accomplish a kitten thing, aside from being annoying. It’s the exact same with this warrior build. You see a GS – Mace/Shield warrior, and you should know exactly what that player’s goal is and exactly what they’re going to attempt to do to you.
The build is no more than a nuisance. I think you want it nerfed because it bothers you, and you’re too lazy to learn how to fight against it, but overpowered? No. No no no nope.
Also, don’t pull some crap out of a hat about me “using this overpowered build so I want to defend it”. I haven’t touched my warrior for anything PvP related in a long time.
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1 thief can kite evade an entire faction after him in wvw for hours.
No worries thief god mode is still unchecked.
I actually really love that article. Read it a few years ago, and it really hit home. I still get irritated by the ego on some of the terrible Warriors who use the build, but eh, people will be people. I know I can beat them with a certain build, but what’s the fun in winning when you know you’ll win? I’d rather work on fun, new things.
Had someone quote that article recently talking about Dark Souls. A game that couldn’t be further from balanced in a lot of aspects if it tried lol. So I’m pretty skeptical about the guy, especially since if you even mention how things may be out of whack you’re automatically a “Scrub” even after a lot of the failed mmo and even just multiplayer game balancing I’ve had to endure.
I remember a lot of people, especially here awhile back (maybe even a certain someone) talking about how much better certain classes like elementalists had it compared to us, etc. And if the balance patch history is correct, they were right.
I’m certainly not condoning this laughable excuse of a thread, but that guy is just wrong in a lot of ways. And a major kitten.
Yeah, I wasn’t terribly impressed with the article either. It seems to presume that games are never in need of balance fixes or imposed rules to prevent behavior that actually detracts from the overall skill required.
Yeah, I wasn’t terribly impressed with the article either. It seems to presume that games are never in need of balance fixes or imposed rules to prevent behavior that actually detracts from the overall skill required.
I don’t think it presumes that at all. In fact, it says that games in certain genres have created an environment where they can release an “unfinished” game and patch it for years to try to fix balance. It mentions that the rules that matter are those imposed by tournaments themselves.
This is a tournament serious-mode article. If you want to win, you play to win. It also condones an attitude that doesn’t presume that the game is broken or someone is doing something “noobish” or “easy” because of some artificial/subjective ruleset imposed by the person who died/lost/is complaining. I think it is actually a healthy way to look at gaming, because it can prevent threads like this.
“He’s like a man with a fork in a world of soup.”
Unfortunately a lot of people will use “playing to win” as an excuse to support a game setup which is legitimately in need of attention. I’m not supporting this thread at all, but think a healthy amount of criticism is just as important as the need to view one’s own skills and methods objectively.
Unfortunately a lot of people will use “playing to win” as an excuse to support a game setup which is legitimately in need of attention. I’m not supporting this thread at all, but think a healthy amount of criticism is just as important as the need to view one’s own skills and methods objectively.
I think the author didn’t mean that saying “X might not be balanced” is wrong. But that it is wrong to consider all players using a build you consider cheap noobs and not worth to learn to play against.
And saying that because something might be easy to do it shouldn’t be used.
because he doesn’t know it himself
1 thief can kite evade an entire faction after him in wvw for hours.
No worries thief god mode is still unchecked.
this is just wrong.
thieves always will have one of the lowest health pools in the game, have no invulnerability/blocking nonsense, have medium armor, and are generally forced to spec for high damage lest you do far too little.
warriors literally have god mode with endure pain, a 3.75 stun on a 7 sec cooldown (the thief elite skill basilisk venom only stuns for 1.5 seconds and is on a 45 sec cooldown)
face it, warriors need to be nerfed badly. thieves can be countered easily. there is no counter for this bullkitten.
1 thief can kite evade an entire faction after him in wvw for hours.
No worries thief god mode is still unchecked.
this is just wrong.
thieves always will have one of the lowest health pools in the game, have no invulnerability/blocking nonsense, have medium armor, and are generally forced to spec for high damage lest you do far too little.warriors literally have god mode with endure pain, a 3.75 stun on a 7 sec cooldown (the thief elite skill basilisk venom only stuns for 1.5 seconds and is on a 45 sec cooldown)
face it, warriors need to be nerfed badly. thieves can be countered easily. there is no counter for this bullkitten.
No counter? You mean D/P or S/D isn’t a counter?
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1 thief can kite evade an entire faction after him in wvw for hours.
No worries thief god mode is still unchecked.
this is just wrong.
thieves always will have one of the lowest health pools in the game, have no invulnerability/blocking nonsense, have medium armor, and are generally forced to spec for high damage lest you do far too little.warriors literally have god mode with endure pain, a 3.75 stun on a 7 sec cooldown (the thief elite skill basilisk venom only stuns for 1.5 seconds and is on a 45 sec cooldown)
face it, warriors need to be nerfed badly. thieves can be countered easily. there is no counter for this bullkitten.
No counter? You mean D/P or S/D isn’t a counter?
Or any of the other counters listed for that matter. Basically this whole thread is “GIVE ME A COUNTER TO THIS BUILD EXCEPT THE COUNTERS THAT YOU GAVE ME BECAUSE THOSE DONT COUNT”.
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1 thief can kite evade an entire faction after him in wvw for hours.
No worries thief god mode is still unchecked.
this is just wrong.
thieves always will have one of the lowest health pools in the game, have no invulnerability/blocking nonsense, have medium armor, and are generally forced to spec for high damage lest you do far too little.warriors literally have god mode with endure pain, a 3.75 stun on a 7 sec cooldown (the thief elite skill basilisk venom only stuns for 1.5 seconds and is on a 45 sec cooldown)
The difference is that Basilisk can be triggered from 1200/1500 range with zero buildup. Skull Crack has a 130 range.
Or any of the other counters listed for that matter. Basically this whole thread is “GIVE ME A COUNTER TO THIS BUILD EXCEPT THE COUNTERS THAT YOU GAVE ME BECAUSE THOSE DONT COUNT”.
I think that the issue that people have with Mace/Shield and GS is a lot like the issues people have with Thieves. Stunbreaking Skull Crack gives you a 7s window to deal with the Warrior. It’s quite a bit of pressure when you’re basically doing Time Attack. And I doubt that most people carry more than a single stunbreak, so if they miss that one opportunity, they’re pretty much going to be screwed.
Also, I felt like a massive cheater for using Mace/Shield with GS against the Champions of the Queen. But kitten , those kittens are cheaters. One of them even pulls the much-begged-for Whirling Axe with full-blown evades. But kitten , I wish we got knockdown and reflect baseline with Shield Stance.
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this is just wrong.
thieves always will have one of the lowest health pools in the game, have no invulnerability/blocking nonsense, have medium armor, and are generally forced to spec for high damage lest you do far too little.warriors literally have god mode with endure pain, a 3.75 stun on a 7 sec cooldown (the thief elite skill basilisk venom only stuns for 1.5 seconds and is on a 45 sec cooldown)
face it, warriors need to be nerfed badly. thieves can be countered easily. there is no counter for this bullkitten.
Oh lord. You have complete invisibility and the ability to teleport while doing absurdly high damage to foes who probably won’t even see you until you’ve already hit them with at least one ridiculously high powered attack. If you die as a thief in a duel in somewhere like WvW you’re either afk or completely incompetent. I don’t even want to hear about “invulnerability/blocking nonsense” from a class that has access to stealth of all things.
this is just wrong.
thieves always will have one of the lowest health pools in the game, have no invulnerability/blocking nonsense, have medium armor, and are generally forced to spec for high damage lest you do far too little.warriors literally have god mode with endure pain, a 3.75 stun on a 7 sec cooldown (the thief elite skill basilisk venom only stuns for 1.5 seconds and is on a 45 sec cooldown)
face it, warriors need to be nerfed badly. thieves can be countered easily. there is no counter for this bullkitten.
Oh lord. You have complete invisibility and the ability to teleport while doing absurdly high damage to foes who probably won’t even see you until you’ve already hit them with at least one ridiculously high powered attack. If you die as a thief in a duel in somewhere like WvW you’re either afk or completely incompetent. I don’t even want to hear about “invulnerability/blocking nonsense” from a class that has access to stealth of all things.
Stealth = no dmg. The longer a thief stealths, the more downside the fight gets because the warrior has 550 hp regen /sec not to mention time for his stances to come back up. SO really, stealth is more of a liability to a warrior. The reason there is so much QQ about this spec is that warrior regen right now is way through the roof. You can no longer play the war of attrition vs a warrior. And you can’t hope to burst em down due to high base health and shield block/ endure pain.
THIS IS WHY THIS BUILD IS OVERPOWERED. IT HAS NO COUNTERS.
Immune to CC (we went over it, food is OP) immune to conditions, can’t be burst, can’t be worn down.
this is just wrong.
thieves always will have one of the lowest health pools in the game, have no invulnerability/blocking nonsense, have medium armor, and are generally forced to spec for high damage lest you do far too little.warriors literally have god mode with endure pain, a 3.75 stun on a 7 sec cooldown (the thief elite skill basilisk venom only stuns for 1.5 seconds and is on a 45 sec cooldown)
face it, warriors need to be nerfed badly. thieves can be countered easily. there is no counter for this bullkitten.
Oh lord. You have complete invisibility and the ability to teleport while doing absurdly high damage to foes who probably won’t even see you until you’ve already hit them with at least one ridiculously high powered attack. If you die as a thief in a duel in somewhere like WvW you’re either afk or completely incompetent. I don’t even want to hear about “invulnerability/blocking nonsense” from a class that has access to stealth of all things.
Stealth = no dmg. The longer a thief stealths, the more downside the fight gets because the warrior has 550 hp regen /sec not to mention time for his stances to come back up. SO really, stealth is more of a liability to a warrior. The reason there is so much QQ about this spec is that warrior regen right now is way through the roof. You can no longer play the war of attrition vs a warrior. And you can’t hope to burst em down due to high base health and shield block/ endure pain.
THIS IS WHY THIS BUILD IS OVERPOWERED. IT HAS NO COUNTERS.
Immune to CC (we went over it, food is OP) immune to conditions, can’t be burst, can’t be worn down.
You get your warrior, I will get my thief and we can duel each other and I can show ya some counters.
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You can no longer play the war of attrition vs a warrior.
This is how it should have been from the beginning. Backstab and stealth regen allowed thieves to out dps warrior healing along with having the ability to chain C&D for massive heals/run if they started losing. Now that we finally got some sustain, a thief has to actually fight and not just backstab, evade, stealth, repeat.
No counter? You mean D/P or S/D isn’t a counter?
D/P is going to be though, as it requires a lot of ini just to keep BP up, not so much room for trying to burst with BS.
S/D => come on, the dmg are lower, the war can regen faster than you can burst.
Tankiness (double EP + block)/ decent dmg with GS/hardest CC with a ridiculous cd/ still great mobility with GS => a little over the top right now.
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What I mean by L2P
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No counter? You mean D/P or S/D isn’t a counter?
D/P is going to be though, as it requires a lot of ini just to keep BP up, not so much room for trying to burst with BS.
S/D => come on, the dmg are lower, the war can regen faster than you can burst.
Tankiness (double EP + block)/ decent dmg with GS/hardest CC with a ridiculous cd/ still great mobility with GS => a little over the top right now.
You can’t be serious. This is all just so far from the truth that it is hilarious.
I find it funny that thieves are the ones complaining most about this build. All those thieves who constantly spam on every single classes thread. “we aren’t OP L2P noob!” Well guess what? Warriors are no longer easy kills for talentless scrubs using an OP class with a broken mechanic like stealth. L2P noobs! Atleast you can still fracking see a warrior and attack him rather than blindly swinging hoping to hit him. Try slotting a stunbreaker or 2 instead of just abilities that stealth you or add to your already over the top damage.
After playing the build, the way to beat it is….
drumroll…
CONDITIONS!!
You have to make sure that there is near 100% uptime of poison, and then just wear this down over a long time. If your class doesn’t have access to poison, too bad you aren’t meant to beat a toughness warrior packing signets.
After playing the build, the way to beat it is….
drumroll…
CONDITIONS!!
You have to make sure that there is near 100% uptime of poison, and then just wear this down over a long time. If your class doesn’t have access to poison, too bad you aren’t meant to beat a toughness warrior packing signets.
Rofl!
This post wins the thread, not only because it is funny but because it depicts the general attitude, experience and bias of the average warrior who posted.
I tried the spec, but my gear is pretty bad… (only yellow gear, no orange ). I still believe classes with CC, like fears and roots can still mess with a warrior’s rhythm, no matter how short the duration, because it only takes a moment to interrupt our attack and moving away which means trying to catch up again… Still, the spec can’t be used by the baddest of the bad like me so at least not EVERYONE can use it.
Stealth = no dmg. The longer a thief stealths, the more downside the fight gets because the warrior has 550 hp regen /sec not to mention time for his stances to come back up. SO really, stealth is more of a liability to a warrior. The reason there is so much QQ about this spec is that warrior regen right now is way through the roof. You can no longer play the war of attrition vs a warrior. And you can’t hope to burst em down due to high base health and shield block/ endure pain.
THIS IS WHY THIS BUILD IS OVERPOWERED. IT HAS NO COUNTERS.
Immune to CC (we went over it, food is OP) immune to conditions, can’t be burst, can’t be worn down.
Baloney. Stealth allows you to not only retreat when and where you want and/or heal, but can be used to set up more high burst damage at an unknown time. The reason you’re crying about warrior right now is because you can’t fall back on your noob stealth crutch and expect to win 100% of the time against warriors.
As for your last line, no class is “immune” to CC. Stability is the only thing that accomplishes that. Condition immunity comes from a single skill which has a short uptime. Warriors can easily be hit with burst and are actually more susceptible to it while running Healing Signet. They can be worn down the same as any other class with the buffed signet simply by applying poison.
I do think that you should – and I love saying this to thieves, of all players – “L2P”.
S/D thief and staff mesmer are hard counters for this build. L2P thieves, L2P.
S/D thief and staff mesmer are hard counters for this build. L2P thieves, L2P.
Here is why he says this:
S/d thief
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Infiltrator%27s_Strike
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shadow_Return
Other than flanking strike and evade frames (as a warrior, you have to hit the thief at a precise point during the end of the animation to get him)
Staff Mesmer
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phase_Retreat
Both won’t stop the stun, but will stop the burst.
because he doesn’t know it himself
Healing signet regen is too much and needs to be nerfed.
The whole stunlock of doom I’m actually ok with (cept that perma stunlock m/s hammer spec)
We’ll see what anet does tho
LOL, what a joke discussion. People don’t use block/stun breaker, and you blame this build?
Fine, nerf this build. What other build is left for Warrior? LOL, NONE.
Here. Three S/D thief builds that are good all around and can out damage the regen. The first is heavy burst, second is a balance, using shadow’s rejuvenation, and the third… if you can’t dodge every stun with the third then I don’t know what to say.
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LOL, what a joke discussion. People don’t use block/stun breaker, and you blame this build?
Fine, nerf this build. What other build is left for Warrior? LOL, NONE.
Because you are getting all wrong.
We weren’t getting “facerolled” all this time. We were getting “outplayed”.XD
because he doesn’t know it himself
Can this thread freakin’ die already?
My Longbow tPvP Guide: http://tinyurl.com/Longbow-tPvP (out of date)
they just need to remove the stupid -condition duration food for WvW, then this build will melt aswell. with this build you can go very tanky against power and conditions roll off speedily aswell – manages to get good damage because of this 50% crit chance kitten and thus – yes its OP. remove that food and its an easy kill.
they just need to remove the stupid -condition duration food for WvW, then this build will melt aswell. with this build you can go very tanky against power and conditions roll off speedily aswell – manages to get good damage because of this 50% crit chance kitten and thus – yes its OP. remove that food and its an easy kill.
Your entire argument just fell apart where you said that it should be “an easy kill”. You clearly don’t want balance.
1 trick pony builds should be an easy kill and ill wreck that build in spvp duels anytime (with my warrior!). just not in wvw because of stupid food which doesnt work in “balanced” spvp.
I think that cry about food and buffs in WvW are unnecessary, due that all classes have access to all foods and buffs.
About this build, i change my opinon, it’s realy viable (warriors isn’t more a free kill) but no invincible. That build have some disadvantages that others classes refuse explore.
- They no want to change or adapt their play style.
So explain to me how thieves going invisible isn’t a one trick pony? How mesmers’ reliance on a ton of clones in every fight isn’t a one trick pony? What about elementalists – is using all four attunements to achieve a desired result a one trick pony? Maybe guardians being almost exclusively bunker and heal focused is a one trick pony. Are necromancer spamming conditions being one trick ponies?
Let me shine a little light on this game for you: It’s extremely limited and every single build is reliant on basically one gimmick to accomplish its end goal because that’s all the developers saw fit to give us. Like the classes I listed above, warriors are using their ability to stun lock others as a means to an end.
What your ignorant posts say to me is that you don’t want balance, you just want warriors to go back to being free kills for classes which are favored by game imbalance because you are unwilling or incapable of changing your playstyle to actually deal with something which has been shown to have a large number of counters. We didn’t wait months for such a small fix so that some tryhard failures can come over and cry until it’s all undone. So until you can also comes up with a rational, feasible solution to these completely ridiculous criticisms you make that won’t put warriors back into the same terrible boat as they were before, kindly remove your presence from threads like this and from our forum in general because all you are going to accomplish is getting laughed at and annoying people who actually know what the hell they’re talking about.
i AM a warrior you kitten.
Somehow that makes it even worse. You clearly don’t know your own class.
right. want to duel in spvp? 2k hours on my warrior broseph.
I don’t have time in my day for your infantile internet posturing and duel challenges. And I have far more /age than you, FYI.
I don’t have time in my day for your infantile internet posturing and duel challenges. And I have far more /age than you, FYI.
Actually you need to man up and go to the duel or stop talking smack.
Not even going to scroll back to read either of your posts, the game provides a clear venue for demonstrating your skills, time to get in the ring.
I don’t have time in my day for your infantile internet posturing and duel challenges. And I have far more /age than you, FYI.
Actually you need to man up and go to the duel or stop talking smack.
Not even going to scroll back to read either of your posts, the game provides a clear venue for demonstrating your skills, time to get in the ring.
I fear there are no fair duels in GW2.XD
because he doesn’t know it himself
I don’t have time in my day for your infantile internet posturing and duel challenges. And I have far more /age than you, FYI.
Actually you need to man up and go to the duel or stop talking smack.
Not even going to scroll back to read either of your posts, the game provides a clear venue for demonstrating your skills, time to get in the ring.
I fear there are no fair duels in GW2.XD
LOL, its sad but u r right. xD