Guild Wars 2

Agreed. Gold in NA is honestly just a migraine. I wouldn’t mind if anet did something special just for that tier specifically. Even if they used the excuse that the Gold tier has 6 servers instead of the normal 9.

I posted this about a day ago. I’d like to hear some thoughts.

This is by far probably not the best solution, but could perhaps benefit the WvW community as a whole by combining everything earned in terms of points accumulated for the end of each week within each separate league.
Example: Green/Blue/Red (Green from 1 match, Blue from an entirely different match and Red from the last match), let me repeat, those servers from THREE DIFFERENT matchups within the same LEAGUE would have their score combined at the end of the week to help decide the winner.
If coverage is the name of the game, then you will almost always (with the exception of T1) have one or two servers who just out coverage the others. This system could possibly help prevent that indefinitely, ensuring that even the “little guy” has a chance at winning and isn’t just a spectator to the top contenders for the number 1 spot.
Using the current matchups for Silver League, I’ve made a sort of chart that helps detail somewhat how the matches play out. To make life easier, I’m using the current week as an example.
Match 1
GREEN: Henge of Denravi – 109 756
BLUE: Fort Aspenwood – 93 730
RED: Stormbluff Isle – 67 331
Match 2
GREEN: Yak’s Bend – 116 296
BLUE: Isle of Janthir – 83 306
RED: Northern Shiverpeaks – 62 473
Match 3
GREEN: Crystal Desert – 121 030
BLUE: Borlis Pass – 77 106
RED: Sanctum of Rall – 57 584
If the system were to be in place, Henge of Denravi, Isle of Janthir and Sanctum of Rall would all have their scores combined at the end of the week.The same would be done to Fort Aspenwood, Northern Shiverpeaks and Crystal Desert. Finally, Stormbluff Isle, Yak’s Bend and Borlis Pass have their scores combined as well. Now, as you can see, HoD/YB/CD are ALL winning their matches pretty comfortably, though FA could make a strong push and could perhaps close the gap on HoD, but that’s besides the point. The point is, the little guys don’t have a fighters chance. But what if they don’t have to rely solely on themselves?
Once all was said and done, if the scores were to be combined it would look like this:
HoD/IoJ/SoR: 250,646
FA/NS/CD: 277,233
SI/YB/BP: 260,729
So it’s Monday, and the lead from “1st” to “2nd” would only be 16,504 when everything is accumulated on paper. From 1st to 3rd is 26,587.
What does that mean? Well, with the exception of the HoD/FA/SI matchup which has a 16,026, deficit between 1st and 2nd, every other matchup is EXTREMELY closer and far more competitive due to the shared system. Matches 2 and 3 could be considered blowouts with one having a 30k+ lead and the other 40k+ but this system put in place cuts it down by more than half!
Of course, Anet could still do a 1 up, 1/2 down system at the end of the week to make sure they mix things up and to ensure some kind of variety, but this is honestly one of the ways I see Anet being able to salvage WvW and “fight back” the zerg/stack mentality a lot of people are seemingly fed up with.

This is by far probably not the best solution, but could perhaps benefit the WvW community as a whole by combining everything earned in terms of points accumulated for the end of each week within each separate league.

Example: Green/Blue/Red (Green from 1 match, Blue from an entirely different match and Red from the last match), let me repeat, those servers from THREE DIFFERENT matchups within the same LEAGUE would have their score combined at the end of the week to help decide the winner.

If coverage is the name of the game, then you will almost always (with the exception of T1) have one or two servers who just out coverage the others. This system could possibly help prevent that indefinitely, ensuring that even the “little guy” has a chance at winning and isn’t just a spectator to the top contenders for the number 1 spot.

Using the current matchups for Silver League, I’ve made a sort of chart that helps detail somewhat how the matches play out. To make life easier, I’m using the current week as an example.

Match 1
GREEN: Henge of Denravi – 109 756
BLUE: Fort Aspenwood – 93 730
RED: Stormbluff Isle – 67 331

Match 2
GREEN: Yak’s Bend – 116 296
BLUE: Isle of Janthir – 83 306
RED: Northern Shiverpeaks – 62 473

Match 3
GREEN: Crystal Desert – 121 030
BLUE: Borlis Pass – 77 106
RED: Sanctum of Rall – 57 584

If the system were to be in place, Henge of Denravi, Isle of Janthir and Sanctum of Rall would all have their scores combined at the end of the week.The same would be done to Fort Aspenwood, Northern Shiverpeaks and Crystal Desert. Finally, Stormbluff Isle, Yak’s Bend and Borlis Pass have their scores combined as well. Now, as you can see, HoD/YB/CD are ALL winning their matches pretty comfortably, though FA could make a strong push and could perhaps close the gap on HoD, but that’s besides the point. The point is, the little guys don’t have a fighters chance. But what if they don’t have to rely solely on themselves?

Once all was said and done, if the scores were to be combined it would look like this:

HoD/IoJ/SoR: 250,646
FA/NS/CD: 277,233
SI/YB/BP: 260,729

So it’s Monday, and the lead from “1st” to “2nd” would only be 16,504 when everything is accumulated on paper. From 1st to 3rd is 26,587.

What does that mean? Well, with the exception of the HoD/FA/SI matchup which has a 16,026, deficit between 1st and 2nd, every other matchup is EXTREMELY closer and far more competitive due to the shared system. Matches 2 and 3 could be considered blowouts with one having a 30k+ lead and the other 40k+ but this system put in place cuts it down by more than half!

Of course, Anet could still do a 1 up, 1/2 down system at the end of the week to make sure they mix things up and to ensure some kind of variety, but this is honestly one of the ways I see Anet being able to salvage WvW and “fight back” the zerg/stack mentality a lot of people are seemingly fed up with.

DeadlySynz.3471:

It would be interesting for Anet to comment on that looking at 2 different points of view.

On one hand, 2vs1 I suppose could ruin the enjoyment of another if they are essentially relegated to being stuck in their spawn point.

On the other hand, stacking your server to the point your opponents have no chance (and cause other servers WvW populations to implode) also ruins the enjoyment of others on a much grander scale than 2vs1.

Remember, you can’t be biased about this, you have to look at it from all angles but you do bring up an interesting point.

Anet already did say that 2vs1 is a viable strategy to bring down the bigger server, so I think we already know the answer to that.

With that, it really is in the server’s hands to enhance their own enjoyment. They have to ask themselves the question “why is their enjoyment being ruined”. Then they have to ask themselves “is there anything we can do to prevent the actions taken against us”

Answering the second question should come to the glaring conclusion: Do not stack your server. Action/reaction as they say.

JQ stacks SEA even further from SoR transfers.
TC receives a handful of guilds from SoR transfers.
BG receives 1 OXC guild fielding 20-25 players and an ex-BG guild.

Lets not forget BG has lost guilds since season 1.

BG stacked ftw.

Once you get it through your head that BG players simply play longer when the odds are even, you’ll see how silly you and the countless others are when you claim a server is stacked despite you being part of a FULL server as well. It’s not BG’s job to get your guys into wvw, whether they’re PvE/PvX/WvW.

sazaw.1347:

Umm actually we have been winning way before BG comes to T1. We have seen servers come up and go down. Personally I think winning for a long time is bad for us. I don’t want that to happen. It attracts fair whether. Because I know winning in WvW means more number and coverage only.
I’m not on BG but c’mon we’ve been fighting BG long time of course we know your number and coverage.

ps: i’m not ex-sor. I’m on JQ since 3 days headstart.

Coverage and numbers does mean who wins, but stating false facts that one server is a “megaserver” while the other T1’s aren’t is just acting silly and breeding idiocy. BG/JQ/TC all have queues, they all have their stronger timezones. They all play the game they want to. JQ’s SEA has been dominant for months if not the better part of a year, yet they still recruited for SEA by buying a good portion of MERC (to cripple BG for season 1, thus causing them to lose 2 weeks before seasons, leading both JQ and SoR to think BG was “dead”) and received transfers from SoR after their implosion. I think it was stated one of the guilds that went from SoR to JQ went in order to help “train” them. As if the SEA Horde needed training in a timezone they already dominated. THAT is a prime example of overstacking. That’s bringing over more bodies to already increase a coverage you are superior in.

A good portion of SoR went to TC, which at the time was considered a T1.5 server, effectively increasing their numbers greatly in NA and Oceanic. While all of this was happening, BG actually lost guilds. Some retired, some got bored of the game, etc. If you know BG’s coverage, what exactly are our numbers then? Because at the end of season 1 Blackgate lost roughly 4-5 core guilds: Coin (EU), WM, ZDs, (SEA) Exiled MERC (OCX+SEA) etc. Before the start of season 2, BG managed to bring over NV (OCX) and SUPR (SEA).

The people complaining that BG overstacked for Season 1 are moronic if you base it off of the very first week, before servers became demoralized with the all powerful ZDs joining the fray (despite BG losing a greater amount of people to JQ + lower tiers)

The first competitive week, fighting tooth and nail, ended with a roughly 20k difference between 3rd and 1st.

Jade Quarry – 242 187
Sanctum of Rall – 256 661
Blackgate – 266 799

That week was the absolute BEST in terms of coverage and fights up until the following reset for week 2. Until I think Wednesday Oct 23 there was only a sub 1,000 lead between 1st and 2nd and maybe 8-10k from 3rd to 1st. THAT is how Anet intended Seasons to be. Competitive until the very last day. The map politics were insane and the 2v1’s transfered daily based on who was winning and which timezones were strongest. THAT is how the game was intended to be played. Literally every timezone played off their strengths and weaknesses, hitting objectives from the servers they were just siding with only a few hours before in order to halt the obvious strengths of the opposing servers.

Literally anyone could have placed anywhere that first week, which was why it was so fun to be a part of.

Fast forward to now and you see how incredibly boring seasons has become due to the belief of the minority (yes, I think the vast majority of JQ and TC aren’t on board with the whole “win-trade to ensure #bgtears”). Anet’s intention was to have servers fighting for first from the get-go and for it to be fun and engaging, with backstabbing and countless fighting surging until the later part of the week.

The lower-tier servers will obviously play how they want to play, be it for fights or GvG’s, which is absolutely fine as well.

So in question, has BG stacked itself? Honestly, I don’t think so. If you look at it on paper, BG lost more guilds than they received especially when compared to JQ and “maybe” TC. Now, are BG’s numbers inflated due to when their PvE/PvX population join wvw? Most definitely. The same however applies to both JQ (who I know has a PvE population equal or perhaps even greater than BG) and TC respectively.

I’m not aware of any guilds JQ or TC has lost, but I know of the one’s they’ve gained. It isn’t BG’s fault JQ decided not to show up for the weekdays of week 1 for S2 and you can’t blame BG for seeing an opportunity and pressing any advantage they’re given, because in the end who doesn’t enjoy winning?

sazaw.1347:

hanZou.3645:

the 2v1 is unfair by this:
if each server have a limit to wvw (that’s why there is QUEUES)…and they can’t get more of their world inside cause of of the limit…then lets move to another server half of the people and then when this 2 worlds match against each other they just focus on the 3rd world their against with!

so this way they can have in WvW the twice the number of the 3rd world…its like a coward thing “can’t fight fair…cheat it” something like that…works for low standards/prideless persons…gz for them.

Im glad Im not from any of those 2 worlds! They may win like this…but…whats the point of winning when everyone knows they only win by playing 2v1 cause they can’t do nothing alone?!

And yes this is cheating…but can be concidered as tactical also…but still cheating!

Period!

You are not from JQ or TC actually playing the match, so you will not understand.
1. QUEUE is not always there for 24 hr on all map
2. At any point of time BG can field equal or greater than any other opponents when all 4 maps are combined
3. We are not fighting for the win, we are fighting for #bgtears
4. When there is 3 way fight, 2v1 will happen (intended or not) but in our case enemy of my enemy is my friend.

You are not BG actually playing the match, so you might not understand.
1. The EXACT same applies to BG. You’re delusional if you think otherwise that BG is this monster that has queues all hours of the day. You’ve been hand-fed propaganda and lies to help ease the pain that the only reason you’re losing is simply due to being outnumbered everywhere. It’s not true. Literally the ONLY timezone BG has queues on every map is NA prime, and MAYBE Oceanic if the NA players are staying up later than usual. That’s it.
2. The exact same can be said for JQ or TC. JQ literally just showed it last week when their SEA logged in EARLY during Tuesday OCX, a timezone BG is very weak in and does not queue except for maybe EB/home BL. TC’s EU is very strong as well and can become quite the heavy hitter when it revs up.
3. Fighting not to win is the very aspect of a losers mentality. Are you Ex-SoR? With however many BG, fairweather or not, cry or complain just as many if not more revel in the fact that when they look at the scoreboard it’s taking two FULL T1 servers to coordinate so thoroughly through voice comms, and pre-planning to knock them down. You’re feeding the beast.
4. Anet intended for 2v1’s, but they also intended for people to play for first up until the very last minute, not hand it off before the weekend is even over. The 2v1 being coordinated by TC and JQ is an example of win-trading, and is far more disgusting an act than what has been spewed on the forums.

Blackgate is having the same problem. Queues across all BL’s + EB but literally zero numbers. Fix your kitten, anet.

You’re welcome.

- Akk

My vote is for Vapoure. He has a very soothing voice and has so much charisma it practically oozes out of him with his fine leadership. I hear he’s very popular with the lads, as well. ~_^

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Well since you magoomies have no players in wvw, I guested to your pve and solo’d teq. #BelieveGate

so wow
much loot
blue shoulder

I love all these SoR forum warriors calling BG the most stacked out of the big three due to this unprecedented asskicking they’re taking. That’s why you tried so hard to keep JQ in check, making sure they were third and didn’t truly mind BG taking the one spot the first week, right? Gotta love it. Face it, your strategy backfired horribly. Based on that sound logic, I can see why it must be frustrating playing for fights when those you trust to lead you onto the battlefield lead you through such a big kittenstorm you might as well have walked through a mine field.

scootshoot.6583:

Am more concerned about those putting OT in for weeks on end for a meager reward in a video game. Anytime I hear BG commanders boasting of their 12++ hour sessions for leagues, I envision BuyGate commanders looking like this guy pwning and it just brings laughter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT0-OL_71yU

Don’t be. I assure you everyone who’s playing long hours is taking care of themselves by stretching, replenishing vital nutrients and drinking plenty of water. Blackgate thanks you for your concern though. We appreciate the sentiment that even though we may face one another through videogame warfare, it’s nice that at the end of the day we are all regular people enjoying a game. It’s quite refreshing knowing that though opposites, we still care for the well being of others. Thank you.

Jayne.9251:

Jado Cast.1805:

I’m happy BULL chose SoR, This should make things fun. Now if SoR and BG could politely point the next EU guild interested in moving to NA, to JQ before week 5 that would be greatly appreciated.

IF and I said IF, BG wins season one, I don’t want to hear Stackgate excuses.

There are four EU guilds that I know of being offered “incentives” to go to SoR currently. Aside from BuLL, I wouldn’t worry too much

Will miss fighting you guys in BuLL. Come back soon!

What are they using for currency? Bottled tears? Oh and if/when BuLL comes to SoR it will be for life. SoR has already made it clear that they don’t want anything less than devoted people to their utopia of servers where the grass is greenest and the air is cleansed of any fart-lighting heathens. All those who fail this request are to be terminated via liquidation and forged into iron. On second thought, fart-lighters don’t seem so bad.

Shifty.4985:

Akkadian.7206:

Shifty.4985:

Its just a shame that BG still hide behind towers/keeps when they got nothin to loose
#ScaredGate?

Not as scared as IRON is of a little competition.

/Haymaker.

If only they would play during our timezone.. We would sit them right down in the corner pity really

Crashing through your doors
in a massive Russian tank
when will those Euro boys
just shut up and get spanked~ ha~ ha~ ha~

Deaths about to ring
drink vodka day and night
those ZD boys will pillage and kill
until IRON comes out to fight oh~

Here they come, watch them run
the excuses are all here
timezone this and you stack that
but there is no blob here~!

Come on son, 1v1
You guys know where its at
Test your luck, but watch your butt
Your neck might just get snapped.

Shifty.4985:

Its just a shame that BG still hide behind towers/keeps when they got nothin to loose
#ScaredGate?

Not as scared as IRON is of a little competition.

/Haymaker.

Skoti.3195:

mallas.9836:

IRON joins SoR – weeks of SoR chest thumping pvd “WE IS BETTER THAN YOU!”

ZDs joins BG – SoR QQs more than a 5 year old girl that didn’t get her Hello Kitty Pez dispenser.

Tables turned = epic QQ

Youy are wrong here. When we came to SoR T1 was unbalanced, messy. 1st matchup in the leagues last week was very close, beacuse T1 became competitive and quite balanced.

That’s the huge difference between IRON and ZD moving to NA.

You realize you told him he was wrong when he was 100% correct, right? The moment SoR received [IRON] (who’s numbers squashed ANY guild BG or JQ had in the EU timezone) they went on a tear and were basically unchallenged because of numbers. Only when Coin moved to BG was when there was some resistance (with big thanks to those RK and HB who showed up as well).

The week before IRON moved to SoR, WM playing overtime along with any early NA people who had nothing better to do was exactly why BG’s EU timezone seemed strong, when in fact it was only people playing outside of their ‘timezone’.

I bring this up because that 18k lead SoR had? Yeah, it was evaporated because of people willing to play outside of their timezone. BG wants to win (especially after all the kittentalking), so much that their commanders and troops are willing to stay up a few extra hours to try and rally the server and bring it back from what started to look like a very grim Monday. If SoR isn’t willing to put in extra hours, cool. But, ZDs was NOT the driving factor of the massive cut into SoR’s lead that happened into Sunday/Monday.

It’s been said in this thread a few times. SoR’s forces went to bed with a comfortable lead believing they had it in the bag and could at the very least sustain it throughout the week. They awoke to a rude awakening.

With only about 3-4k of a lead left, its quite possible a bunch of people went “well wtf?” and pretty much everyone was demoralized because of the hard work they put in over the weekend was gone over the course of two timezones, again, thanks to overtime. That said, SoR has notoriously never ticked at kittening 15 ppt ever, fights or no fights.

I remember when SoR was trying to recruit before free transfers ended, he said “We CANNOT teach spirit, we CANNOT teach honor, we CANNOT teach motivation, we CANNOT teach courage.” You guys need to find that again.

Also, T1 in leagues was so competitive because each of the three servers have timezones that they excel in. JQ has its SEA, SoR its EU into early NA, and Blackgate has its Late NA into OCEANIC. Throw in the fact that all three servers had the achievement floodgates burst open with countless hordes of players who probably haven’t WvW’d at all, and the strategy of trying to keep JQ down due to their easier schedule for the entirety of the league, you can plainly see why it was so close. It’s a lot easier to see the cracks in a server when there is no third superpower to hide such.

dwahvel.7356:

Akkadian.7206:

Shifty.4985:

Arcade.8901:

Shifty.4985:

Gz ZDs on PvD hope you enjoy it more than fighting guilds back on EU

One step from love to hate.

I just dont get why you would leave good competitive fighting for your primtime, to come PvD and get a lot fewer fights.. makes no sense

Try and play a video game and have to wait for hours on end to actually be able to experience what you enjoy. Why do you think so many EU guilds are entertaining the thought of coming to NA servers? Because of the food? They want to not have to deal with queues.

And fyi [IRON] did this whole transfer to NA thing many moons ago too, in case you dudes forgot. I think it was around week 18 or 19 when you guys came rumbling in here throwing everything out of whack. But you guys had no problem doing it then, right? It was also when SoR went on a rampage and won like 7 straight weeks because there was barely any EU guilds running anywhere near those numbers at the time.

SoR has had the strongest EU of the top three NA servers for some time now. When IRON came here, they came into EU “for fights” despite both JQ (which at the time was already beginning to decline) and BG (who only had the smaller forces of RK and those in HB who were trying to get back into the game), and they continued to run rampant and kittentalk the forums until RG came in to help balance out T1. Since then SoR received [KISS], [SLAY] (who merged into IRON) [rB] who moved about 15-20 to SoR, [AFTL], etc. yet yall are still going on at that numbers talk as if it mattered to you guys when you made the jump back in May. When you guys are winning, (meaning ppl in the EU timezone) your numbers are in the kitten load column; Now that you can’t walk through every guild or pug like they’re made of toilet paper, everything starts to tank?

[IRON] has constantly talked about wanting open field fights and GvG and always wiping the enemy and never having any real competition. Well, now you have an Iron Curtain with similar numbers looking to fold you up and spit you out. Enjoy.

Just show up.

You can’t be serious…..if I recall correctly bg was the only NA server to have ANY EU guilds playing on it. It was a couple also. The bg SEA/EU push would end the sor/bg matchup on day one. 17 straight wins over sor (early 2013).
Iron was the first eu guild to play on sor and we were the third place server at the time.

BG did not have guilds running IRON numbers. Like I stated before, HB was just barely coming back into the scene (Orcommander and Smokee were not actively playing 7 days a week, and normally were running small man), and we had RK who fielded maybe 20 on a very good day, but their numbers were usually lower. That timezone was filled with players from other timezones (mostly SEA and NA) who would run around in small groups of no more than maybe 15-20.

edit: And on a lighter note, lets just have fun killing each other. See you on the field.

Shifty.4985:

Arcade.8901:

Shifty.4985:

Gz ZDs on PvD hope you enjoy it more than fighting guilds back on EU

One step from love to hate.

I just dont get why you would leave good competitive fighting for your primtime, to come PvD and get a lot fewer fights.. makes no sense

Try and play a video game and have to wait for hours on end to actually be able to experience what you enjoy. Why do you think so many EU guilds are entertaining the thought of coming to NA servers? Because of the food? They want to not have to deal with queues.

And fyi [IRON] did this whole transfer to NA thing many moons ago too, in case you dudes forgot. I think it was around week 18 or 19 when you guys came rumbling in here throwing everything out of whack. But you guys had no problem doing it then, right? It was also when SoR went on a rampage and won like 7 straight weeks because there was barely any EU guilds running anywhere near those numbers at the time.

SoR has had the strongest EU of the top three NA servers for some time now. When IRON came here, they came into EU “for fights” despite both JQ (which at the time was already beginning to decline) and BG (who only had the smaller forces of RK and those in HB who were trying to get back into the game), and they continued to run rampant and kittentalk the forums until RG came in to help balance out T1. Since then SoR received [KISS], [SLAY] (who merged into IRON) [rB] who moved about 15-20 to SoR, [AFTL], etc. yet yall are still going on at that numbers talk as if it mattered to you guys when you made the jump back in May. When you guys are winning, (meaning ppl in the EU timezone) your numbers are in the kitten load column; Now that you can’t walk through every guild or pug like they’re made of toilet paper, everything starts to tank?

[IRON] has constantly talked about wanting open field fights and GvG and always wiping the enemy and never having any real competition. Well, now you have an Iron Curtain with similar numbers looking to fold you up and spit you out. Enjoy.

Just show up.

Neuromancer.2148:

Anvil, meet hammer? I wish now that JQ acquires their own EU guild in time for the next clash.

This was very appropriate.

Nikola.3841:

Starscream.7803:

To the oPP mesmer in TC BL at the ruins, I have taken your guys advice and doing some small man. Hope the loot bag I give you makes a hole in your back pack <3

Even the best fail sometimes!

Those are some weak damage stats for Bright Wizards. Makes me smile that those Marauders ran a train on them. Oh and kitten Warrior Priests.

As anyone can see the first week of League’s in T1 is very close. However, Blackgate still has coverage gaps in the timezones talked about above. If you’re looking for constant fights and a great community, Oceanic/SEA/EU guilds should turn their attention to BG!

Zero.5034:

Cirus.5748:

And this is why it’s very important for Sanctum of Rall and Blackgate for Jade Quarry to come 3rd if we want any chance.

I’m glad to see how little faith SoR and BG have in their own servers =) so what you’re basically saying, is that because JQ is stronger than both of you, that your ONLY chance to win this season is to 2v1 JQ every chance you get? I’ll take that as a compliment, though a server having to openly try to force a 2v1 on the forums kinda shows you how weak they are don’t you think? Do you honestly believe that BG or SoR deserve to call themselves the “top” server if they continuously rely on each other to try to keep JQ in third? Even after an entire week of this failed logic JQ is still right on your heels. Kinda shows you who the true number 1 server is doesn’kitten

Everyone has been getting 2v1’d over the course of the week. However, different timezones focus different targets. No servers, I repeat, NO servers have been focused for a full 24hrs 100%. For example, during most of early SEA and into EU today on EB, BG was focused by SoR and JQ without even having SMC. Of course that later changed and we all saw what happened there. Ouchtown!

Moving on~

The release of the league matchups over the span of the next 7 weeks has been talked about and beaten like a dead horse for forever. The simple fact is that JQ face neither SoR OR BG for THREE weeks while the latter will be continually facing one another, which will in all likelihood burn out the forces, because lets face it, we’re human and have lives outside of the game like jobs, school, etc. This already gives JQ an edge by not only giving their forces a break, but pretty much hand-feeding them three first place finishes (15pts.) with not so much competition outside of maybe the NA timezone (give them hell, T2!). So strategically speaking, its in the others T1 servers best interests for the sake of trying to balance an already unbalanced league, to force JQ into 3rd during the “big three” matchup’s to give said servers a higher chance at first place at the end of the season. It’s not so much BG and SoR having little faith in their servers as much as BG and SoR being forced into the predicament thanks to ANeT’s less than stellar matchmaking.

I hope this cleared up a few things. I can’t speak directly for SoR, but I don’t think anyone fears JQ. I know for certain the NA timezone doesn’t.

Josh Davis.6015:

Hey folks,

We’re still looking into this.

As I mentioned before, there are a few things that MIGHT be affecting your ability to complete these achievements:

• Killing Molten Alliance or pirates does not count towards event credit.
• Killing spawns from the Clockwork part piles does not count towards event credit.

The best bet for getting event completion is going to be taking down the Clockwork champions. They are directly tied to event completion.

Please keep providing details when you fail to receive completion.

Thank you!

If killing neither of those grants anything, then, why the kitten are they in the EVENT in the first place? This has got to be some huge joke. Like seriously, why not save the people doing the event a headache by just wiping the Aetherblades and Molten Alliance from it and just let people kill the clockwork stuff? This is laughable and at best and a poor excuse for an in-game design.

Guys lets try and have a great matchup without the constant jabs at one another. Hopefully its just as competitive and close as last weeks.

Zen.8497:

Kathy K.6812:

Cover Girl.2580:

BG you guys do nothing but complain.

5-2

We’ve all heard the complaints from SoR when BG was beating your server for a good 16 weeks. So far you’ve only heard Blackgates QQ for 7 weeks, try to be a bit more patient with them :P

SoR never complained as a majority and it’s a fact not hearsay. The reality is that majority of BG complains about both JQ and SoR so that counts as double.
The difference is not only that we have always overcome all the adversities but we got more motivated fighting against the stronger odds.
I think this is the best matchup that all 3 servers can have at the moment so let bygones be bygones and enjoy the fights.

Where have the “majority” of BG complained where SoR or others haven’t? The forums? I didn’t know the forums counted as the majority so excuse me for not being aware. Seriously though, this is basically one giant loop that will never end for some people. People complain. It’s a habit many people have. They get frustrated, annoyed or whatever, and they vent, some more than others. As for overcoming adversity, you guys finally received the coverage you needed. I’ll be the first to admit SoR has some of the best guilds and players I’ve fought against; you guys never quit and for that I think everyone can learn a thing or two about the type of community and leadership you have, but that’s not to say BG or other servers haven’t faced adversity as well. If people could just ease up with the chest thumping contest or constant hate every other post during these matchups and just for once tell the guys you were facing “hey, that was a brutal fight at such and such, you guys fought your kitten off,” and be on your merry way, I think these forums as a whole would be a lot more enjoyable to read rather than having to sift through 90% of the garbage that’s constantly flowing through here.

magikfox.9658:

JaredKincade.9761:

Keep sending us the bags in BGBL. We ate your entire map zergs over and over and over and over and you never took it.

JQ showed its true colors last week without SOR’s help, even with TW. We all know they wouldn’t still be ranked 3rd if they didn’t have their big brother to look after them.

JQ/SOR have us outmanned, but never outmatched. Enjoy your PPT you earned it.

Enjoy your bags. They might have a bit more use to you in t2.

Tiers are so two weeks ago. xD

Jet.4795:

To all the BG gloating about last week. Tell us one time you guys made us tick under 200 when we were actually playing besides Thursday night NA. Think about this you guys had us beat during Oceanic/EU no doubt and props but you guys got a lot of you points during NA and SEA off DB… So before you start gloating please realize you never straight dominated us when we were actually on and playing. Thanks keep it classy

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/29/77

I stopped counting after 20.

We’re in for one wild night…

Kaimick.5109:

eithinan.9841:

eithinan.9841:

Eviator.9746:

Nobody, not anyone in T1, T2, nor T3 – T8, is surprised by what DB is doing against T1 servers. Well maybe 0.01% of DB is surprised about how bad we’re doing, and those are the ones that trolled the T1 forums and JQ LA weeks ago.

You guys have been in the T1 matchup so long you may have lost some perspective. You can ask SoR, TC, and SoS now…T1 is a different beast, and nobody outside of T1 has a chance. So should T1 servers feel so great about beating DB down? No, I think they should feel bad for letting us have even +1 PPT.

I look at this a different way. I am very pleased with how well Db is doing when we are outside of SEA prime time. There have been times during euro where we have pushed the PPT to over +200 this reset weekend which is generally our worst time zone. During NA prime we have held a decent PPT for a T2 server as well at times.

I appreciate how TW didnt come to Db to mess our glicko up even more after last weeks match.

along the lines of what I posted previously….

I would like to point out that Db managed to take Stone Mist Castle 2 times tonight while holding our 3rd. Well done underdogs.

Not down playign you, but I commanded in EBG for 9 hours today and I can tell you at one time I ordered that my guys in EB hold off JQ and let DB cap SM. Why? Becuase I knew I could take it back 3 minutes after you took it, which I did.

Now the other time you took it some new blood Commander let QL and Durious and SM fall, which promoted JQ trouncing him for 30 minutes as he froze in place at the site of JQ.

Although great fights tonight in EB, especially to the 50+ man zerg JQ had about 3 hours ago that we fought and killed 3/4 of them before they retreated back to Anz. Thanks for the bags and great fights all around from JQ and no offense some to DB. Although I will say I like going over and putting DB in time out every time they come over and get a wild hair up their bum.

Lastly I am sure plenty of JQ can tell you at least when I command I don’t do the 2v1 I interupted JQ’s hostile take over of DB territory twice tonight. I even got hell from one of our fair weather guilds saying I shouldn’t attack JQ since they are attacking DB and they are double teaming them with us. My response was,

No I am here for the fights, Both Jq and Us have wiped each other all day, Unlike some fair weather commanders I am not goign to let them take things to make kitten easier for us.

So I salute DB for all your valient attemtps and I salute you JQ for all the great fights we had today

Lord Kaimick Commander of Ruin BlackGate

Hopefully those fair weather players realize the war atrocities they committed by you showing firsthand that you won’t stoop so lowly as to 2v1 even if it meant upgrading our own side of the map as a top priority, which funny enough would only further help defend from either of the opposing sides in the long run. In hindsight from tonight’s showing, I guess upgrading towers and all that jazz isn’t really needed, seeing as how a T3 Durios was lost without a lick of defense from our boys in blue while under your stellar leadership. All drivel aside, I don’t think you’ve earned the right to call anyone, player or guild a fair weather; I can’t recall how many times you’ve detagged because things don’t happen to go your way. Oh also, you might wanna not take petty shots at the very people who are trying to help you. It’s hard to command when you don’t have any willing scouts, just saying.

TW is probably just bored with their match up and is looking to kill a weeks times by staying on JQ for a week before heading back over to SoR once the new match ups are almost under way. Should be fun times.

SpitFire.4690:

[RISE] had alot of fun in EBG reset !! tnx for all the cooperation bg militia jl and ruin!

I had an amazing time in EB tonight! Thank you JQ for the $$$

As a member of BG since day 1, if the numbers/coverage and whatever else people seem to be harping about is so “unevenly stacked” in SoR’s favor, the fact that they haven’t been consistently double teamed 24/7 is funny. Yes, the addition of IRON has helped them tremendously and they have rallied and are no doubt stronger than ever, but having been in wvw on a daily basis, both BG and JQ only have themselves to blame. While they constantly fight each other, SoR manages to upgrade keeps, towers, etc. and then push the fight elsewhere. It seems like neither server (BG/JQ) is willing to double team SoR, because both are looking for ppt any way they can get it, which normally involves picking on whatever server is weakest at the time instead of constantly beating on the “bigger bully” together. Just my two cents. If Tier 2 can realize this and double team Stackbrand, it makes my head spin with why Tier 1 cant.