As much as it would be nice to find a way to make this work I’d hazard a guess and say it is priority number 48 thousand on Anet’s list of things to do, immediately after ‘cleaning up Colin’s desk’.
It’s a stupid mechanic that has no counter and helps the strongest server in EB tremendously.
Saying ‘you de-stealth as soon as you attack’ shows complete ignorance of fights in upper tiers. Try having 60 people destealth on you by hitting you and see how well you fight back after that.
I spent 4 hours commanding Dragonbrand against TC using this tactic in OCX prime yesterday, with 30+ in squad and with the outnumbered buff. Nothing we could do to stop them getting the jump on us and it eventually resulted in us going elsewhere to fight doors.
ONCE AGAIN lets say it again – Tactivators should only be interact-able for servers with the outnumbered buff active.
In the case of the tier 8 server I was on at one point, it had in oceanic at max 10 people playing WvW. I am sorry, but no matter how ‘server loyal’ those players are they don’t justify the hardware cost to keep them entertained.
IOJ had one chance of a resurrection and they blew it by having too many PVE carebares and casual bad players who weren’t willing at the time to band together as a serious WvW team.
Any serious WvW players have left the server. Any serious WvW players by now have realised the game mode is completely dysfunctional below tier 3.
Any serious WvW player is either in those tiers, or has quit.
Hell, even tier2 is a an absolute joke now.
Server loyalty is a thing of the past, right now you have to fight for the scraps of fun for your friends in a wvw desert wasteland.
Wake up and face the music. Server loyalty doesn’t exist anymore, what you’re feeling is loyalty to your friends. When that group shrinks below 30 people its basically guild loyalty, not server.
I’ve been to every tier.
WvW is completely dysfunctional below tier 2 for OCX and Tier 3 for anything else.
Also don’t go Mag, I hear it’s the most toxic cesspit server there is.
“Yesterday, I tried to do guild missions on a desert BL, and it is hilarious how long it can take to go from Point A to Point B because of all the STUPID and CONFUSING vertical paths designed. "
Signed.
I’ve been through (literally) every tier. Moving up each time the Oceanic scene dies. T2 Oceanic, with the departure of the fight guilds ER (FA), eN (TC) is now just a karma train borefest. Last night I ran around for hours barely seeing more than one or two people.
Dara Potocka,
You should have taken this opportunity to claim the WvW team is doing work (haha, lol) and has listened to community feedback to remove the event, not simply removed it as a bug fix.
Cmon Anet! Take your opportunities when they’re thrown at you!
Edit: I can pretend I never read this post for 1hr so you can edit.
The fact that Anet chooses to use Reddit over the official forums because of the “complaining” proves to me that this is amateur hour, and that I will keep my wallet away from all of the poor decisions.
Confirmed now they have not started on any system to bring back Alpine yet, and that they are currently trying to bandaid fix ‘chokes’ ‘line of sight’ and ‘fall points’ on the Deserted BL’s.
Loosing the tag when the leader leaves is unintended behaviour. Anet do not intend to allow untagged squads, its a bug. The moment they fix that bug is the moment guilds will stop playing completely.
What you want no longer exists. I recommend putting money into Crowfall or Camelot unchained which will hopefully create what you want within a year or so.
The fixes announced are good, but are simple and easy fixes that could have been implemented in an afternoon 2 years ago.
I just pledge 100$ to Camelot Unchained, even if it fails at least I’ve given money to devs who listen to their community and have a clue whats fun for Realm Vs Realm gaming.
-2000 ranks in WvW and thousands of hours. Guild leader of one of the last T3 OCX raiding guilds. We’ve moved through four tiers trying to find good OCX fights.
-Basically zero PVE because I hate it.
People have been asking for this for 3 years and it hasn’t been added.
What we’ve REALLY needed since megaserver was team chat to server in PVE as well, to allow WvW players to call for help from casual PVE players in times of need.
NEVER HAPPEND.
Why? Either they don’t want it for some kittened reason or they are completely oblivious.
As the title suggests, as per the Arenanet news updates, improving the quality of The Shatterer fight is more important than releasing the WvW update. The purpose of this thread is to speculate on the time frame for release of the WvW update, keeping this piece of information in mind.
They’ve shown they have the ability to separate skills between game modes (PvP, Pve)… This really needs to be done. The combat is just -not as fun- as it was 2 years ago. Skill groups are dead and now its all a boring blob numbers game.
Honestly if Anet reverted stability in WvW it would reduce the toxicity and lack of faith in these forums by 83%.
One of the main reasons we like to run tagless is because if we have a tag up we attracted a zerg of 40 (Tier 3). So you have 15 of us, 25 randoms against 20-30 randoms. The other side never had any chance, gets flattened and stops coming back. We don’t get the fights we want, the enemy gets rolled and nobody has fun.
lol wtf…
People have been playing tagless for 3 years, by targetting the driver and now by leaderless squads. THIS WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN because people want to run as a -guild- in a game called GUILD WARS. Its totally different style of play having a closed raid vs open, and many of us hate to run tagged with our guild as we end up with 60 people following making any sort of meaningful fight impossible.
Get a clue Anet seriously, this has been going on for 3 years already and you’re just putting inconvenient barriers in the way from what people actually want.
People will still tag for pugmanding, WHEN THEY WANT TO.
As above, make them available only to outnumbered servers. Make it so that outnumbered has to have been up for 10-15mins before the banners or airships can be activated to stop map hopping abuse.
DONE. Was that hard?
Makes them work as a ‘outnumbered helper’ as intended.
3 month CDI followed by 5months of development, just enough time to get rid of every player below tier 1. Population issues will sort themselves out, because eventually there will be nobody left to be upset !
The new maps are so dead there is no need to be strategic or crafty with trebuchets.
You can just pvd with no siege for 30mins and have nobody show up. Then you get to pve the lord down for another 30mins.
Nobody cares about defending automatically upgraded structures.
I used to love commanding and attempting to force a waypoint into an enemy borderland. Those projects could take 5-8hrs sometimes if the enemy sniped dolyaks. This entire style of struggle is no more…there is nothing left for me in WvW anymore except fights in EB.
Game mode is slowly dying, HoT was the final thrust. You’re already at what is considered a ‘fight tier’. Anet has been ignoring the cancerous issues in WvW and now its killing the game mode.
I already made this thread. No response from Anet. But hey, they reply in the ‘guide to the kitten new map thread’.
Perhaps we should name the thread “New BL changed my life – I feel complete now” so that they start reading.
I’d just like to know if the numerous and very real problems that have been raised in the hundreds of threads over the last 2 weeks, and 2 years will ever get noticed by Anet. We all know what these problems are…
Please just say yes or no Anet…Stop stringing us on with that loose statement that the entire live dev team will work on WvW after HoT release. Will WvW get attention?
Just want to know so I can give up building for the future or not. Most of us were kinda expecting some kind of resolution with HoT release…not a bunch of changes to make things, much, much worse.
Why would you want any map removed? It can be voted on….EVERY map should be votable, including capricorn. I see no reason why you would remove content if it is votable so people who wish to play it can. It makes NO SENSE.
This is an excellent post. Despite the humor with every line, I pray the devs read this an address the issues. Because every single one is a huge issue, driving the serious WvW players away.
I think you misunderstood Aeolus.
There is no everyone. Pre release we did not have the capacity to fill a single on of the new BL’s. We run 20 people, max. Nobody NEW has come back…TS averages are about the same if not lower every day, regardless of if those people are in PVE or WvW.
The lower tiers do not have the population capacity to fill the WvW area required to find fights, let alone maintain a decent PPT. Its boring capping empty structures.
Arius you are clearly unable to understand the situation. I’ve already stated we can tick 695 in OCX when we rally with 20 people. We want to WvW against people, not cap empty structures.
People who come out and say ‘tell your server to play properly’ are morons. I’ve been on 3 servers from high to low tiers, playing ‘properly’ has nothing to do with getting fun or winning. WvW is PURELY a coverage and numbers game.
Please.
Post X-pac release my server ran 20-25 MAX in Oceanic timezone. You spread that out across the new maps…we have 5 people per map. We are a server that post X-pac would tick 695 in Oceanic. Yes, we’re the ‘tough guys’ on the block with 20 people. You spread those 20 across the new maps…we have 5 people per map. Those 5 people can’t do anything, get bored, and leave. Thus we have 15 people across all maps….and so on.
Everyone was praying for a huge bounce back in server populations with the expansion release. It hasn’t happened. WvW is dead. I just ran for 1 hour across all BL’s and didn’t see a single real human. EXACTLY as I did on RELEASE DAY.
No guilds have reformed and are playing in PVE. Its the same crew from pre release, only now half are in PVE making an already dead game mode which was on life support, well, terminal.
JUST MERGE THE SERVERS and be done with it. Community means nothing when there is nobody to play with or against. My guild wants to rally…we are ready for loot bags. We can’t find anyone to loot!
So when get into a team of 5 tonight, and we have a new guildie who thinks he’ll try sPvP for the first time tonight with us.
We’re all dragons….
We go to queue up in UNRANKED and BAM. Our friend is singled out and told he can’t play with us.
So we all go and play with a team of 4, while he is left to play with random people who don’t know what they’re doing in a strange PVEisk style game mode. This, despite the fact that he has thousands of hours in WvW and knows how to fight people perfectly fine.
How do you think this made him feel? PRETTY kitten kitten. GG Anet.
The maps are too big. They should have kept the alpine borderlands and had just one instance of desert and replace EB. As it is in tier 7 its a total ghost town. I roamed for 1hr on release day and didn’t see a soul.
At this time, we’re not currently asking for a vote. If we want a vote in the future, we’ll definitely let everyone know. Hey, it could happen, but it isn’t going on right now. (Just to be clear because some are not sure if we’re involved in one.)
I think I said it pretty clearly, but due to repeated questions, I’ll say it again: The reset change initially was set for Saturday evening. There were an initial spate of comments along the lines of “We don’t like Saturday evening, so make it Saturday morning,” and the devs tried to accommodate those requests. Then, as it became clear that the majority of those expressing an opinion in this thread made it clear — between the two currently available options — that Saturday evening was preferable, that’s what the devs went with.
This isn’t a “take your choice from a multitude of options” for reasons that were made abundantly clear in the dev posts in this thread. At the present time, in order to properly manage the game (the whole game, not any single element), in order to properly focus on launch of the expansion pack, and in order to take into account other reasonable considerations, WvW reset will take place on Saturdays. It will take place on Saturday evening to accommodate the requests of the majority of those expressing an opinion here in this thread.
You’re right, this is not a vote. And the Community has been informed about the change and not really been invited to give any input. Would have been better to just keep the thread locked. My take on the thread is simply:
1. This is a convenience change that WILL be implemented by the developers.
2. This is purely for the benefit of developers. There is NOTHING in here for the players.
3. An estimated timeframe for changing reset back to Friday can’t be provided as no-one really knows how broken HoT is. Probably, a LoT on day 1, and that’s why no timeframe can be provided.
4. Broadly speaking, the community is VERY upset with the change, but priorities have been set and while everyone cares; no-one cares!
5. Someone might hope that those who lose interest in WvW due to this change will move to more improved PvE experience. Ask them, how often they go near PvE.
I think it is time for me to say, Thank You Arenanet for INFORMING us; for the sake of it.
Thanks to everyone else who voiced their concerns and tried to provide workable alternatives; but those all might be way too hard for anyone to implement.
Also, next time when you put forward a change like this and support it with some STATISTICS, take a good look at the statistics and interpret them correctly first.
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Thank you Anet for quartering the time I get to have a good WvW experience (OCX weekends).
Tier 2 OCX is dead. No skill groups left, all killed off by the SoS TF 50 man blob that runs every second night. Still roaming to be had though. Or militiablob.
Tier 3 OCX is great if you like capping SMC with rangers using skill 1 on doors.
Right now WvW in this timezone is at an all time low IMHO.
