Here is the scary part… they announced that they have a team who only has the job of balancing. I wonder what they do all day.
Play Guardian and Revenant. Balance is honestly one of the minor problems with PvP at the moment. So many other issues exist. If they don’t pull their heads out of their kittens this game is so kittened.
How is balance minor…. there are soooooo much specs that are doing poorly atm… how is that a minor thing.
ummm when watching the live stream on twitch pre hot launch when the pvp devs said they would balance every single season. I really hope this isnt called balance~ Some of the older specs like warrior older specs(no1 likes beserker) etc and some of the OP new elite specs. I stopped playing wow for balancing and im playing gw2 for something new but unbalanced plus 250 ping because i live in oceanic idk.
Atm non elite specs are pretty bad and lack alot of utility/burst compared to new elite specs. If you play theif swap to daredevil condi build if your playing gard just play medi dh trapper, necro reaper and if your ele tempest is okay but its more of a team vs team build and not ment for 1v1 at all and the rest of ele specs are pretty underpowered, as for ranger its druid or go home and for warriors the best build for warriors atm is to log out delete the class and make a revenant or dh. They have made the elite specs OP for a reason and its to push people to buy xpac.
total let down ….. but every game its usually 1 -2 dh on both teams. Its funny all gards i see are playing DH pve or pvp…. when i see warriors i never see any beserks unless its in fractals…… So i think compared to other elite specs dh did quite well…. Get nerfed. I rerolled to DH from my warrior and the damage utility and overall abilities are far improved and less buggy.
How long until a balance patch? Should make a bit of sense to do some balancing before the tournaments but we see hardly any but find tuning? I give it like another couple weeks before everybody rerolls to rev,dh,reaper. We need to look at non elite specs, pvp being locked down to elite spec vs elite spec is just not fund at all.
Agreed. Thats a strong point. Or at least if they dont have the time to implement that system of storing two runes just refund the rune on legendary weps when changing to another.
So we all know by now that elite specs are super strong to push people to buy the xpac…. How ever i was just wondering if they will balance out some of these stronger specs down to where everything else is sitting right now. As of now i preferred PVP before the expansion mainly down to certain specs being far overpowered and having far too much utility. Meaning if you want to play well you have to reroll to one of the top dogs or just get out classed.
When are we going to get some balancing or will it stay this way till the season in december/later.
Am i the only one really hating on pvp right now? Conquest and wvw. I dont know if the meta has changed or if there are certain specs far superior to others now but PVP is just not as fun as it use to be…. i would give away the elite specs to be able to go back and play the old conquests.
Any1 heard from the devs in terms of balancing or are they still deciding how to nerf warriors.
So the last couple of weeks i have been reading online that the new raid is very difficult and requires ascended gear. When dealing with Pug groups or halfguild/half pug groups. Is there any online armory or something to check peoples gear? or do we just take people word?
Traps damage is high if you like walking into test of faith. Its pretty difficult to walk into a test of faith without automatically pressing V but some people still pull it off. As a druid you shouldnt be complaining…. roll a theif or warrior then you will know true pain.
Druids where impossible to kill 1v2 and even 1v3 depending on specs at the start of xpac are you srsly defending that…. Druids are still top support class.
Mounts? You can pretty much teleport then walk for like 10 seconds to anywhere on the map at any one time from anyplace on the map. I mean i would rather the development time be put into balancing specs 2bh…..
Torch condi plate spec… i thought gard took that roll>? Anyway just buff the fun weps like gsword and hammer….. this condi spec couldnt be more boring and underwhelming.
I think people are getting use to DH now… first week was a big problem now teams are just focusing them hard as they defensive. Still Some damage is pretty big on em.. warriors only class doing crappy.
In all honesty…. who even uses helms in this game. Like the majority of helms that are used as transmog are usually ones that dont cover the face… due to them just looking ugly.
Amen. Rush from gsword and bullrush are outdated…. Rush seems really laggy and hardly EVER finds its mark…. Like when you use it on somebody running away you never actually end up in melee with them it always hits the target then spends 1 second charging its damage while standing still then you are back at square one trying to get into melee range. Its not worth the damage or mobility for offensive, the only use of it is when you are running away
The problem is warriors have all the best weps for a warrior type class right now… We didnt need torch condi we already had Gard burn build…. I think the best direction is if they have to make another elite spec is for the spec to change the current outdated abilities on weps like Gsword,axe,hammer or longbow…. or just make a spec thats based around 2 hander weps like gsword,hammer and Bow that changes some abilities around.
If you want to be fair warriors are outdated right now and in another 1 or 2 of spec releases.Some of the older specs will need to be updated. I mean who plays a warrior to use a septor or a torch or a dagger…. we play warrior for the 2handers the bows the dual weps….. I think the focus will change from adding another wep to changes the current abilities of currently used weps next xpac if there ever is one.
It doesnt seem like a adventure it seems like a "buy some gold with irl money " and they made it in steps so its like 10 dollars there 10 dolla here. Not a fun grind 2bh.
Dude Dh is strong but you just walked right through that trap…. plus if a DH was stupid enough to go that deep into combat he would get one shot as they are squish as heck
Im slowly not…. sitting here playing on 250 ms because the server is in texas and im in oceanic… i spend more money on this game than wow plus my main class warrior has been turned into a condi plate…. If i wanted to play condi plate with a torch i would reroll gard….. Really not feeling anything right now.
Before the xpac Devs had talked about changes to latency etc. Was there any topic brought up about servers outside of texas around this time? Or was it just client server fixes. <<<<oceanic player(250ms here)
pretty much means i can only play Gard/range atm. 250 Ping in spvp its impossible to play melee like warriors and theifs well. Hopefully for anets next MMO they will set up the game so it doesnt require mass amounts of people for WvW at a time so we can have some diff servers
I sort of regret it… i should of preordered fallout 4… I play a warrior and because gear means nothing in pvp i dont pve or do the story mode i just do pvp…. So i brought the xpac for the elite specs basically…. and well lets just say my main is a warrior and i only like gsword and hammer….. from that u would guess my opinion.
I have tried DH and its my new class, going to test out rev…. def between DH and rev (Dh is like a updated bow warrior spec) and rev is just fully updated warrior spec but the only thing rev lacks is a Gsword. Or i would of already mained it.
die to reaper die to engi die to thief die to dragon hunter die to everything but your own class
Have you rerolled to some of these top specs…. i was playin DH the other day and its in another world compared to warrior… I could 1v2 easily… the damage, utility everything
They needa make it more beserker like… atm its not like oh crap he poped his beserker unlike it is when you see a reaper/ a dh teleports on you and chain knockdowns you.
Recon it would be cool if we got some extra stuff on beserk mode… i think the 2 second of buffs and the 10% attack speed isnt really that much…. Like necros when they go into there form they get massive damage and another HP bar. If we want berserker to tie into other specs other than condi add some might stacking and some life stealing onto the beserker form.
Sure, I can see why someone who ran condi warrior in pve before Berserker would be happy about it now, no question. But remember that condi warrior was suboptimal when compared to both condi builds on other classes and direct damage warrior builds.
But in pvp or wvw, dude, a standard warrior of equal skill should wreck your face if you’re running the build you’re describing. And that’s a warrior… most other classes should too as long as they know how to recognize an incoming skull crack or earthshaker (or their berserker equivalents)
Again, I’m really happy that you’re happy because your play style has been buffed in the area where you like to play, but that has nothing to do with what most people are talking about.
After some extensive playing of berserker in PvP im of the opinion that a normal warrior is gonna have a very hard time with a berserker warrior in a 1v1. Here’s why: Eternal Champion. A major portion of a warrior’s burst regardless of his build comes from being able to CC his opponent and land his relatively slow telegraphed heavy hitters. Eternal Champion trolls the kitten out of normal warriors because every time you’re going to go for a CC it gets eaten by the stability, and even if you do catch the berserker out of berserker mode any smart one will have Outrage with them and just stunbreak your CC and give himself stability on top of that, preventing you from chain CC’ing him. On top of that the frequency at which a berserker can dish out primal bursts is wayyy bigger and the dmg isn’t all that lower (I hit 6-7k+ arc divider and decapitate crits on low armors and up to 6k on heavy armors in Spvp and that is when running disc/berserker/def, If I run strength instead of defense I could probably reach 9k without issues on lighties) no matter how hard people try to make them out as bad.
On top of that a few of the berserker primal burst give low duration dazes which are annoying because they tend automatically trigger traits like “Hard to Catch” on teef, or “Last Stand” on warrs when nobody would want their last stand to get triggered by a 0.5/1 sec daze which unfortunately can be used pretty much every 2.5 seconds.
The problem is it doesnt matter how much they buff the condi build because warriors dont play warrior for a boring condi build …. they would of rerolled for burn gard 3 years ago…. people play warriors for the man weps and they are doing poorly
Warriors need a ability update…. Headbut with bullrush charge…. some reason to take gsword/hammer on beserker, defensive buff. Plus some changes to abilitys themself as they are super outdated.
They should of left the torch/heavy armor condi spec to burn Gards…. the problem was they didnt know what wep to give warriors…. and the truth is we can use mostly everything thats warrior related. They should of in reality gave as a new skill set for gsword/hammer/etc for beserk… im saying this because we all know that warrior is outdated as hell compared to the new meta. People like warrior for the man mode weps…. I dont know much people make a warrior and think i want this guy to be a mad man with a torch that burns people.
What who even pves in this game….. People are angry because before beserker if we wanted to play a torch burn spec that was plate we would of rolled gard but we got beserk…. well thats okay but every single other spec on warriors right now in PVP is underpowered and we are getting wrecked the hardest because we have to sit in melee with all these necro/dh etc doing so much more damage than us…… I think they needa add some utility/survivability to the specs outside of bunker/burn… srsly.
Plus you say you are forced into defense and discipline…… well yea we are because with displine we get wrecked hard by condis, we dont generate might and our burst does less than a dh auto attack and we dont move fast enough… plus defensive is a no brainer due to the massive unbalanced burst in this game… So yea if you want to not Die instantly and be able to be 25% as competitive as a dh or necro then you are forced into def,dis for trait lines unless you play condi/bunk
Im not even bothering with pvp anymore…. my warriors damage compared to necro is crazy… like my adrenline ability doesnt seem to do the damage it use to…. like 2k? like its a super move why is it doing less than a rev auto attack. Either way i only play warrior with gsword and hammer and everything is just way to strong for warriors right now and we are getting the worst of it since everything does massive damage and we got no defensive buffs and have to sit in the melee of it.
still needs baseline fast hands and embrace the pain
Hardly any1 wants to play warrior condi…. they need this. These changes mean nothing in in pvp. They need to split beserker up so you can either go condi or go pure gsword/hammer dmg with it. They needa bring in fast hands and embrace pain to the tree somehow…
Reroll your warrior to DH, trust me…. Warriors are bad right now DHs are great… just lvl one to lvl 3 and find out how great they are in pub games… Complete stomper…. If you ask any question on the forums you will just have DHs saying they are easy to kill and you just have to … and every1 else saying they are OP. Best way to learn a class is to play it.
They should actually remove the damage reduction thieves get now, because stealth is op enough.
Yea because theifs (daredevil spec (non stealth))are doing so well right now. Theifs need to get some defensive outside of stealth….. Its so easy to one shot them in a stun its just sad.
New abilities that go against the old balance of the game(old specs balanced around each other etc) Plus the new elite specs have far more utility than the old specs. like DH getting mobility wings with a heal, plus a chain for a knockdown and a reflect projectiles. etc it can sort of be applied to other classes. But i would say it will get balanced down by the devs before the ladder is launched or we will be seeing the same comp over and over again.
I’d like to suggest they just nerf the medi trap DH by putting a longer delay between setting the trap and activation so they don’t touch the non medi trap DH, but i’m not sure i want to see any DH spec nerfed.
Yep, I think the thing that really shines about DH is that you can instantly put all traps down and they are instantly activated. Unlike warlock where there is cast/global like function on casting traps. Or just make it so traps can be seen for like the first second or something.
Wait for a couple of weeks before you reroll/give up on it, they will bring in some changes before the season starts. When i play my DH and a theif steals me(teleports to me) i just instantly put my traps down/swap to sword focus with protection…. daredevil is just so squishy for this new burst/brusier meta going around, they are “okayy” 1v1 just not for team fights. They are really squishy once you get there focus shield down plus healing trap, I think it all comes down to swap you end up dodging while in the fight.
The builds they use are optimum dps in PvE so the numbers are higher (sigils like night and day exist in pve only, and the dmg potential in pvp is lower) since those changes are universal across both classes, however, you can use these numbers to extrapolate dmg ratios in pvp. So yes Thief is higher still than DH (as are a few other classes).
@BlackBunny
Not surprisingly, you have now changed your argument. Now instead of saying DH DPS is higher than thief, you are now saying “Well thief can be 1 shot”. I think your evasion on sticking to an argument might be telling, no? The point is a full zerk guard is also glass. They just use slightly higher toughness and blocks to stay alive. Thieves use shadowsteps, increased dodges, stealth and blinds. Different mechanic same result.
And your screenshot made me laugh. Your bar shows you clearly do not play DH. Purification (any guard not running shelter can’t say they play it in pvp)? Just test of faith and not procession of blades? Dragon Maw post nerf instead of RF? I rest my case.
No im only saying that because i dont actually no theif dps atm because i have only played staff daredevil so im not going to comment on theif dps atm when i actually dont play d,p.
Yes and DH is full zerk and glass but we have plenty of utility to stay alive plus the fact that we dont actually have to get into melee to do damage….. having problems with range damage just pop up Shield of Courage… problems with getting zerged with melee and all your traps missed or on CD? swap to focus sword pop shield etc….
And you are stupid to have a static spec…. I played with test of faith because i my last fight was against a team of 3 melee and 2 condis. I change my abilities depending on what im fighting and i felt that having extra defensive against zerg would be better Stop defending it man. With the argument aswel against dragon maw and RF, i hardly ever die in conquest so for casual games im not running RF as its too easy to land dragon maws on multi targets. Try picking at it more because your arguement on DH not being OP isnt working out.
“I play DH they are not OP”
Dude… you are playing the top 4 specs in the game right now…… DH is next level people defending it are only defending it because they are playing DH/rev/necro and dont have problems with it. Compare it to a warrior or a theif, the damage utility everything is just too high. Stop defending it because you dont want it to get nerfed.
Same counter argument goes for you though… You don’t play DH, so you are complaining about how it is too good and needs nerf.
And please, dear kitten please, do not just tell me you tried to argue that thief DPS is lower than DH. You need to go back to basic math if that is the case.
I do play DH, and just what i said they are super strong…. people are saying they are having problems with reapers and scappers but the only issue i have is 1v1ing a full support druid….. DH is strong if you think its average then you are not playing it correctly. And to that arguement about thiefs DPS? you can one shot a theif as soon as they steal to you… you have plenty of says to set off the elite trap instantly then fire true shot, or use chains to knock him down teleport/laytraps…. stop defending it lol and using the theif arugement is just stupid theifs are the most squishiest easy to kill thing in the game… i have more problems with hunter pets and mesmer clones.
Well i see it the same way tbh, I play Guard since launch and think people are complaining about DH because they finally get rekt by guardians for once in their life.
Also i have to say that nerfing the traps would be probably the best way dealing with it. True shot needs to stay as it is. Just make it like BWE3, a strong true shot with weak traps ad we have a good middleground.
Again another DH coming to the forums explaining why his class is not strong. Try playing a warrior or a theif and compare it. If you have trouble with a scapper or a necro then you are not playing DH correctly. DH is God.
“I play DH they are not OP”
Dude… you are playing the top 4 specs in the game right now…… DH is next level people defending it are only defending it because they are playing DH/rev/necro and dont have problems with it. Compare it to a warrior or a theif, the damage utility everything is just too high. Stop defending it because you dont want it to get nerfed.
I rerolled DH from a theif/warrior and its a big difference. Like massive in terms of survivability, nuke, CC, just everything. I kind of just want to make a video but i dont have the time on how strong they are to people that dont play DH….. Any1 that is wondering just make a lvl 3, run bow,focus,sword find a trap build and just destory people.
