Guild Wars 2

Have the DEVS even acknowledged this problem yet?

Kelly.7019:

this is a lag problem. you need highspeed internet not slow speed posing as high speed. 5mb+ /ps at minimum preferably 10mb+/ps

Has nothing to do with lag.

Twice out of the four times I did the marionette Meta event this happened on my ranger and could only fix with a death or WP.

Bloody annoying.

This has now happened twice out of four marionette events, others in the last event were complaining of the same problem. Fixed itself on death.

No problems with lag or DC’s, it’s just that if you want to be on the main server and not overflow you have to wait on the main for 2hrs at the event place and if you WP to event you auto get put on overflow.

And there have been a few complaints where only 2 people get ported to a platform instead of 5.

Have tried the event 3 times on TC and always put into overflow which ends up failing, a couple of times there were only 2 people on platform and when 1 goes down there is no way to revive.

Wheezy.2846:

rfdarko.4639:

I get that they are splitting up the zerg, and they want to encourage those moments where you feel like you, as an individual, had a big impact on the fight. But I think the initial platform separation is enough. Standing around for a good minute just watching a single defeated player on a platform is not a compelling moment. Let the walls come down after you defeat your champion so you can at least help range the others.

That would be something I’d like to see. Reward the group that killed their champ quickly and let us help one another. If we have to work together for the rest of the event, why not there? It also sucks when there are 2 of you on a platform but the person you’re with either dies instantly or doesn’t help res you when you go down, which has cost us a chain 2 times.

I DO like the bosses though, and aside from that, I like the challenge on them.

If only a couple of people on platform it is a bit hard to rez downed player while you are getting the crap knocked out of you by the champ.

3 times now on TC doing Marionette get put into overflow and then only a couple of people port to platform and so it ends up failing.

Getting beyond a joke.

Happened to me as well, not lag related.
Had to relog and of course was then put in overflow where event was not happening.

Keiel.7489:

Yeah this is ridiculous, if maybe they allowed people to buy/sell the skin on the TP instead of soley rely on getting from the vendor via claim tickets. Or at least have some way to farm these keys at a decent rate with a really low level. It’s even worse when you open the chest and get nothing else, its ether you get a tick or nothing, maybe add in a small chance of getting some other BLTC items? Name change contract, hair styling kit, total make over kit or something!

You can buy the skins on the TP as they are tradeable.
And you can do key runs if you want to get keys.
I’ve gotten a few total makeover kits from BLC through key farming.

Still trying to get 1 x scrap for the 5 ticket skin as none in the last 10 chests:(

Fortus.6175:

I didnt want mention it on the thread because at this point it could stil be considered speculation and could add to the flame, but as someone noted on the BLTP subforum; there was a 160,000 supply which overnight went down to 10,000…… it was suspicious and as soon as someone noted it on the forums, a red was quick to answer, and although he didnt say much, I felt almost as if they knew they had a leak but cant quite put an end to it.

What really bothers me though is that I dont have access to that leak, thats all. Im jealous, because these people have an obious upperhand on us and will be flipping mats in TP like crazy, while we get to see from the bleachers how the rich and fortunate becomes richer.

Charged Quartz is account bound.
Quartz is not account bound and is useless to anyone that does not have a way to transform it into Charged Quartz.

Just salvaged 112 rare crafted items with mystic salvage kits and got 100 ecto’s BUT there has been a stealthy nerf put in and now you do not get any luck essences from salvaging crafted items.

Ho-Ho-Tron has stopped not far from his normal spot and is unresponsive.

Gaile Gray.6029:

I think at this point it would be good to make sure that everyone reading this thread has read this post about the Flamekissed Armor and the changes that are coming.

As background: Players expressed significant concerns about the appearance of the Flamekissed armor. Their concerns were reviewed and found to be fair and justified. As a result, the devs decided to make a change to the armor set even knowing that some percentage of players would prefer that a change not be made. This is similar to any sort of change. For example, with each game balance, some players think a skill is just fine and others believe it to be overpowered. In the end, the devs make a decision based on what is best for the game, as they have done here.

Ultimately, the armor will look different than it does now. It will look sufficiently different from the Tier 3 Cultural Armor to allow each of those sets their unique place in the game world. And those who do not like the new armor will be able to retrieve their gems.

While we fully understand that not everyone will be fully satisfied with the decisions that have been made, we’re not able to offer each player a separate and personally-selected option. It’s not “I’ll keep it” and “I’ll take the new set” and “I want my gems back.” We can do some of that, but not all.

You can contact Customer Support now, or wait to see how you feel about the new armor design, as you desire.

So you compare someone paying money to buy gems to purchase the flamekissed from the store to changes in skills which do not cost money/gems?

Has this happen last night, the first time I have ever done Tequatl.
Was fine and then towards the end of the fight (just before he died), I had skill lag where my skills would not go off and then a client crash and of course when I got back on there was no chest/rewards to collect/given.
Very disappointing.

If you do not destroy the skin then when new skin goes live it will auto reskin.

This is why I am waiting for the New skin before looking at any refund if necessary.

BazeDragon.3927:

Protoavis.9107:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

LordByron.8369:

Because i don t have option 1…..

And i m stuck with a temporary skin until they decide what the new will be.

If they will release it after ascended armors will be even more painful

Why do you not have option 1? It’s a perfectly reasonable way to keep your armor and runes that you have said you do not want to lose.
If it’s because support will ask you to delete the old skin, have you bothered to ask if overwriting it with a new skin would be accepted as destroying it?

I doubt it given some people have already gone after their refund and received T3 to replace their flamekissed with.

Support may be being inconsistent, possibly in how they are approached, but there’s a lot of people getting their old skins back on one side and then there’s a bunch of others who just seem to want to post the same misinformation over and over without actually going after their refund…these are also the same people that seem determined to keep their flamekissed so I’m not sure of how much stock to place in what they say since it doesn’t seem like they’ve actually tried to get the refund that suits them, just want to complain on the forums.

All I got in response was my 800 gems. No skins, no transmutation crystals or splitters. And a message saying “please delete the armour”, which I am choosing to ignore because it is my main set and I received nothing to replace it with.

If that is the case, then that’s pretty bad because you are up for new armor or skins etc. etc. through no fault of your own.

And still no update from the DEVS as to where they are at on this issue and how far away a resolution is.

angelpaladin.7921:

BazeDragon.3927:

angelpaladin.7921:

vonhellsing.2819:

Its clear that’s some users are more important than others in AN, and we that’s expend money in gems to support this game and this company we do not have any importance.

They lesson who’s don’t like new armor, but they don’t want lesson us.

Your mistaken some is not correct the majority will always win out when it comes to company’s. I am sorry for all the people who where in the minority this go around about this armor, but that’s life. They should feel lucky cause the way there going on about it you would think its the worse thing to happen to them ever.

You are really going to start “We’re a majority because we complained more”?
You remember that this is a forum about a game, right? Only a minority of the playerbase of a game tend post on mediums such as the forums or reddit, of that minority, people with something they want to complain about tend to have a louder voice, because those who are satisfied or really don’t care tend not to post on that topic.
Admittedly, on this topic, there has been more of an outcry from both sides than usual, but to claim you represent a majority of players because you are in the camp which made the louder voice on the forums is a pretty rich assumption on your part.

That said, lets get back on topic, shall we?

I really hope your not so narrow minded that you would think Anet. A multi million dollar company would base a decision like this on these forums. Most likely they get there data from multiple places.

My guess is to name a few
Reddit
Twitter
Guild Forums
Official Forums
Fan Forums (such as Dulfy)
Plus there integrated ticket system.

My guess and yes its just a guess they looked at all the different resources they had to judge the out rage. Then compared it to how many people bought the armor. Once they had compared the two. They made a decision to help stabilize the game based on numbers.

Most likely they have a entire team dedicated to judging player feedback.

This whole post is based on assumption, unless you work for ANET you do not know how things work.

angelpaladin.7921:

MisterEction.9382:

angelpaladin.7921:

MisterEction.9382:

JustTrogdor.7892:

I only started playing GW2 in April so I probably missed a lot of previous drama, but this situation seems to have caused the biggest divide between players I have seen in a very long time of playing MMOs. Granted I ignored a lot of forums from previous MMOs I played. I wish I had ignored this forum too. I came here for a players helping players post and months later I seem stuck.

This is undoubtedly the worst I’ve seen and I’ve been here since launch, though I don’t live on the forums. The introduction of ascended gear didn’t generate this much negative emotion.

This is the first MMO I’ve ever played for more than a month or so. Have you ever been in another MMO where a company took away an item that one group of players bought at the request of another group of players like this? I’ve never experienced anything like this in my life.

They didnt take away the item people bought with real money aka the gem’s. They have decided to redo a piece of intellectual property they own to be suit there customer’s desires.

On top of that there not removing anything from any ones account. This would be no different then a dealership calling in a rental car for service. Then changing the tires out to a different brand. The tires are different they may look different the car might ride differently, but the owner of the car has the right to modify it as they see fit.

People bought the item legitimately for their accounts. They didn’t rent it. It has no return date. They are taking what some people bought away from them against their will to placate other people. It being a virtual item doesn’t make what is being done any less unethical or immoral.

It is nothing like a car rental as you described it, on any level. Nothing in your analogy compares to anything in the current situation.

I am sorry to continue to upset you but according to the contract you signed with Arena.net and NCsoft your only renting the rights to the game. Maybe you wanna contact them directly if you need extra help on that.

License Grant — Any Service, Content or Software supplied by NCSOFT is licensed, not sold, by NCSOFT. All title and rights not expressly granted in this agreement, including but not limited to any IP right and the display thereof, are retained by NCSOFT and/or third-parties under agreement with NCSOFT. NCSOFT hereby grants You a revocable, non-exclusive, license for personal and non-commercial use of Service, Content and Software that is non-transferable except as permitted under Section 9©. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ANY SUCH LICENSE TERMINATES IMMEDIATELY IF YOU BREACH, VIOLATE, OR OTHERWISE FAIL TO COMPLY WITH EACH AND EVERY PROVISION OF THIS AGREEMENT AND HEREBY WAIVE ANY RIGHTS YOU MAY HAVE HAD TO NOTICE OF TERMINATION FROM NCSOFT. IN THE EVENT OF TERMINATION OF ANY SUCH LICENSE NCSOFT MAY, IN ITS SOLE AND ABSOLUTE DISCRETION, MODIFY OR DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT, ALL RELATED CONTENT, AND ANY CHARACTER ID.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/

This seems to be the only thing you can repeatedly say.

And unless ANET state that the reason the Flamekissed skin is being changed is due to the EULA/TOS then your posts are pointless.

Would be nice to hear from the DEVS with regards to how things are going and maybe even a peek at the reskin.

As running around with my flamekissed Human is going to make it harder to let go of the armour the longer it takes.

Phillip.6485:

My toon is human, so why can’t I keep my set? This is where all the complainers don’t make any sense to me whatsoever, yet they don’t know to just shut the eff up. Let the human toons keep the set it’s the best looking armor in the history of this game.

Now – for the non-human toons, give them a full refund and let them keep the new set. Isn’t that a more competent way to deal with this mishap?

Unfortunately the purists would not have that as then the skin would be more exclusive than theirs.

I do not know why the EULA/TOS is being brought up with regards to this situation anyway as If the situation was warranted under the EULA/TOS then that would open a huge can of worms with regards to how a customer player base would regard the company.

The mistake was ANETS and they are the only ones that will have a say in the final decision. The purists got their way and unfortunately those of us who purchased the product just have to take it as it does not look like there will be a change in ANETS current decision no matter how disappointing.

Corpus Christi.2057:

When buying gems for real money, you accept the contract for buying precisely that – gems. Nowhere there does it say “by buing gems, you are guaranteed that skin which is purchasable with gems.” There is no logical link between buying gems and, by performing that action, being guaranteed a certain skin. These two things have no logical link. It is obvious that you buy the gems in order to buy something else. Nevertheless, the first contract, to buy gems, does not involve the other contract to buy something else you have in mind.
Hence, you buy gems ( 1st independent action ), and then buy a skin that you liked, with gems ( 2nd independent action ), a skin which is later on removed due to an issue, you are in the end returned your gems ( the 2nd independent action that it refers to ), not the money with which you bought gems ( the 1st independent action it does not refer to ). The fact that you had a motive of buying gems in order to buy the new skin does not mean that you should be, e.g. returned you real money back ( 1st independent action ).
It’s very simple really, when you think about it.

Best regards

Semantics and splitting hairs.

So many people with their own opinion of what is and who is right and wrong, isn’t the human race wonderful:)

Substance E.4852:

Morinmeth.9823:

I had tier 3 human cultural on my human elementalist, female. As soon as I saw the gem armor, I was really happy. I thought hey, my favourite armor in the game, now available to EVERYONE, with some cool-looking effects on it, too! Instead of being a kitten about “how exclusive and human-only this armor should be”, I said “thank you arenanet for making my elementalist look even more awesome, have my ten bucks”.

I am not as selfish as the majority of the community here. I prefer saying thank you, instead of “this skin is wrong”. In fact, if more t3 cultural armors would be remade, with extra animations (icy ones for the norn t3 heavy, electricity for asuras, etc), it would be freaking awesome. I don’t care if I have to pay gems or gold for it. I don’t care about who wears what. They’re skins. SKINS. Come on. You’re not gonna be paying attention to the skin while killing people in WvW or PvP, you just want the skin to look cool in Lion’s Arch!

But no, just because this community is selfish as hell, Arenanet are following what pleases their customers. And unfortunately, for them it’s the right decision. But I just want to add, that I just officially dislike this community a lot.

I really hope the new Flamekissed armor is awesome, because if it ain’t, I want my previous armor back.

Lol it’s like you people just can’t do basic math and comprehend the fact that it cost 1/3 the price of T3 armor.

Go through every post here and tally up the posts that complain about “exclusivity” and the ones pointing out how its the same armor for a fraction for the cost and I bet you you won’t find more folks complaining that other races can have the humans’ armor and a lot more people complaining about how their armor just droped in value by a whole lot because anet thought it should only be worth 60g after all.

Telling people they just have to deal with the items they earned dropping in value because you want something for cheap is also pretty kitten selfish and really eroding the sympathy I have for people who are having to deal with losing an armor they like.

What,s your point then as the thread topic is Cultural Human T3 Not Exclusive, and not about the cost difference.

hchadw.1097:

Cathgar.7581:

Spawne.3128:

Cathgar.7581:

Spawne.3128:

Cathgar.7581:

angelpaladin.7921:

Cathgar.7581:

Spawne.3128:

angelpaladin.7921:

what I am reading people would prefer to get what they want now at the cost of the entire game tomorrow. Thats what this boils down to upset a few thousand people who bought the armor now or end up losing credibility with the majority of the community.

I feel like a broken record but you guys sound like broken records also. Think about this on a much larger skill not just me and you. They let this slide why would people have any incentive to do anything? People’s trust in arena.net is already shaky because of the fractals update where people lost progression. People are fuming over the living story and scarlet. Adding this to the mix could easily destroy the game over the next few months.

trust me, a few thousand people did not buy this armor, maybe a couple hundred, and maybe less then 100 of them are actually complaining about getting a refund.

Lol @ a couple of hundred.

Most likely it will be around a few 100 I was being generous with my figure. How many people do you really think play the game? How many people do you think logged in on the one day it was available? The armor was not even on the store for 24hr’s. Assuming there where (I am being crazy generous) 15-20k people who logged in over the course of the armor being available. How many people do you think really bought that armor? Where hearing the very vocal minority who are upset the armor is being removed.

Without any figures, no one will know except ANET as to how many sold and it is also a minority of T3 owners that are complaining as well.

The only thing I can see for certain is that for the entire day today, ive only seen ONE person wearing this armor in all of lions arch.

Seen a lot on Tarnished Coast and a lot of people complaining that it has been removed from store in game chat.

Well my server (northern shiverpeaks) is probably significantly smaller, only complaints i saw about armor were in regards to someone who linked the asceneded armor, in particular the “wupwup” sets.

At one point on TC, there was even a lineup of players with flameseeker in front of TP as people wanted to see what was taken out of store.

<—-Existing Human T3 owner speaking here (Because it looks good)

I bought it myself to copy over my old T3 armor ….. so what answer is there for me ? im in a Lose/Lose situation.

I’m in the same boat with my Human Mesmer.

Spawne.3128:

Cathgar.7581:

Spawne.3128:

Cathgar.7581:

angelpaladin.7921:

Cathgar.7581:

Spawne.3128:

angelpaladin.7921:

what I am reading people would prefer to get what they want now at the cost of the entire game tomorrow. Thats what this boils down to upset a few thousand people who bought the armor now or end up losing credibility with the majority of the community.

I feel like a broken record but you guys sound like broken records also. Think about this on a much larger skill not just me and you. They let this slide why would people have any incentive to do anything? People’s trust in arena.net is already shaky because of the fractals update where people lost progression. People are fuming over the living story and scarlet. Adding this to the mix could easily destroy the game over the next few months.

trust me, a few thousand people did not buy this armor, maybe a couple hundred, and maybe less then 100 of them are actually complaining about getting a refund.

Lol @ a couple of hundred.

Most likely it will be around a few 100 I was being generous with my figure. How many people do you really think play the game? How many people do you think logged in on the one day it was available? The armor was not even on the store for 24hr’s. Assuming there where (I am being crazy generous) 15-20k people who logged in over the course of the armor being available. How many people do you think really bought that armor? Where hearing the very vocal minority who are upset the armor is being removed.

Without any figures, no one will know except ANET as to how many sold and it is also a minority of T3 owners that are complaining as well.

The only thing I can see for certain is that for the entire day today, ive only seen ONE person wearing this armor in all of lions arch.

Seen a lot on Tarnished Coast and a lot of people complaining that it has been removed from store in game chat.

Well my server (northern shiverpeaks) is probably significantly smaller, only complaints i saw about armor were in regards to someone who linked the asceneded armor, in particular the “wupwup” sets.

At one point on TC, there was even a lineup of players with flamekissed in front of TP as people wanted to see what was taken out of store.

Sabyne.6329:

If so few people bought it and that it has now been removed. I don’t quite see what would be the problem of letting the people who bought it keep it. Chances are, there are so few of them you won’t even see it in game most of the time.

Very good point, +1.

Spawne.3128:

Cathgar.7581:

angelpaladin.7921:

Cathgar.7581:

Spawne.3128:

angelpaladin.7921:

what I am reading people would prefer to get what they want now at the cost of the entire game tomorrow. Thats what this boils down to upset a few thousand people who bought the armor now or end up losing credibility with the majority of the community.

I feel like a broken record but you guys sound like broken records also. Think about this on a much larger skill not just me and you. They let this slide why would people have any incentive to do anything? People’s trust in arena.net is already shaky because of the fractals update where people lost progression. People are fuming over the living story and scarlet. Adding this to the mix could easily destroy the game over the next few months.

trust me, a few thousand people did not buy this armor, maybe a couple hundred, and maybe less then 100 of them are actually complaining about getting a refund.

Lol @ a couple of hundred.

Most likely it will be around a few 100 I was being generous with my figure. How many people do you really think play the game? How many people do you think logged in on the one day it was available? The armor was not even on the store for 24hr’s. Assuming there where (I am being crazy generous) 15-20k people who logged in over the course of the armor being available. How many people do you think really bought that armor? Where hearing the very vocal minority who are upset the armor is being removed.

Without any figures, no one will know except ANET as to how many sold and it is also a minority of T3 owners that are complaining as well.

The only thing I can see for certain is that for the entire day today, ive only seen ONE person wearing this armor in all of lions arch.

Seen a lot on Tarnished Coast and a lot of people complaining that it has been removed from store in game chat.

angelpaladin.7921:

Cathgar.7581:

Spawne.3128:

angelpaladin.7921:

what I am reading people would prefer to get what they want now at the cost of the entire game tomorrow. Thats what this boils down to upset a few thousand people who bought the armor now or end up losing credibility with the majority of the community.

I feel like a broken record but you guys sound like broken records also. Think about this on a much larger skill not just me and you. They let this slide why would people have any incentive to do anything? People’s trust in arena.net is already shaky because of the fractals update where people lost progression. People are fuming over the living story and scarlet. Adding this to the mix could easily destroy the game over the next few months.

trust me, a few thousand people did not buy this armor, maybe a couple hundred, and maybe less then 100 of them are actually complaining about getting a refund.

Lol @ a couple of hundred.

Most likely it will be around a few 100 I was being generous with my figure. How many people do you really think play the game? How many people do you think logged in on the one day it was available? The armor was not even on the store for 24hr’s. Assuming there where (I am being crazy generous) 15-20k people who logged in over the course of the armor being available. How many people do you think really bought that armor? Where hearing the very vocal minority who are upset the armor is being removed.

Without any figures, no one will know except ANET as to how many sold and it is also a minority of T3 owners that are complaining as well.

Golgathoth.3967:

Substance E.4852:

If they keep it in the game it needs to be forever acquirable through an npc for normal T3 armor prices. I do agree that some people got shafted but creating an ultra exclusive, limited edition armor isn’t going to be a solution to the problem.

Anet created a no win situation and someone is going to ave to take a kick in the kitten to make it right. Unfortunately the best scenario would probably be to screw the folks with T3 armor but lessen the devaluing of their efforts by making sure that any future acquisitions of the T3 flamekissed armor comes with the same hefty price tag we all have to pay for T3 skins.

Actually, I would totally pay the 120g for the set. That’s how much I like having it on my male Sylvari. Not kidding in the slightest. Would that make you feel better, people who bought t3 human? I’m being serious – if the price were the same, would you still be quite so livid?

Of course they would still be livid as then it would not be exclusive.

Caffynated.5713:

One more time for those who are a little slow.

When you created your character, there were 3 major aspects for why you chose the race that you did:

1. Overall appearance of the race
2. Racial abilities
3. Racial armor

Many humans (myself included) chose human over other races because we like the racial armor and being human was the only way to acquire that appearance. I would have rather made a norn with their more attractive faces, superior hairstyles and OP racial abilities if I could have had the same overall appearance with the same armor.

Fast forward 15 months.

ANet: We’re releasing human armor for everybody!
Humans: … Erm… what do we get?
ANet: You get to buy it too!
Humans: … I already have it… as my exclusive racial armor… for more than twice as much…
ANet: But now it has FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Humans: So now everyone can use our cultural armor, but we can’t use their’s?
ANet: DUDE!!! IT HAS FIRE ON IT!!! IT’S LITERALLY ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!
Humans: Yeah… about tha
ANet: FIRE!!! Did you get your burn on? Bros know when they get their burn on.
Humans: I guess…
ANet: No, bro. Bros know. BBBBBUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRNNNNN!!!
Humans: kitten you

Get off of that coffee.

Spawne.3128:

angelpaladin.7921:

what I am reading people would prefer to get what they want now at the cost of the entire game tomorrow. Thats what this boils down to upset a few thousand people who bought the armor now or end up losing credibility with the majority of the community.

I feel like a broken record but you guys sound like broken records also. Think about this on a much larger skill not just me and you. They let this slide why would people have any incentive to do anything? People’s trust in arena.net is already shaky because of the fractals update where people lost progression. People are fuming over the living story and scarlet. Adding this to the mix could easily destroy the game over the next few months.

trust me, a few thousand people did not buy this armor, maybe a couple hundred, and maybe less then 100 of them are actually complaining about getting a refund.

Lol @ a couple of hundred.

And the ones complaining are probably a lot more than the few T3 owners complaining.

The Angle of Deth.2985:

I’m another who bought this armor and I want to keep it. I bought it in good faith. I paid for it…. not some substitute. I don’t want a refund either. I want the armor I purchased. We who bought this armor did nothing wrong. We were supporting the game by buying from the gem shop. And now it’s going to be taken away?

This armor is gorgeous. I don’t care that it’s a T3 cultural armor. That’s not why I bought it. As soon as I saw it I told my guildies that my necro was getting new armor! I had it bought and on in less than two minutes. I DONT WANT ANYTHING ELSE.

I will be beyond kittened off if I log on to find some crap armor substitute on my main character.

IF Anet screwed up, why should we who purchased the armor be penalized?

I WANT TO KEEP THE ARMOR I PAID FOR. PERIOD.

Seconded.

Prices have risen because you do not need to do Fractals to make certain ascended back items now.

Flissy.4093:

You forget that even though you purchase the item, it still remains the property of ArenaNet and/or NCSoft.

You’ll be refunded the 800 gems. It’s so unlikely you will get your actual $ back because that would involve another retailer.

It would be a pretty slippery slope if the tried to pull the EULA/TOS card on this.

XxTAFxX.6741:

Leo Paul.1659:

XxTAFxX.6741:

Substance E.4852:

XxTAFxX.6741:

Substance E.4852:

XxTAFxX.6741:

Why is anet listening to these cry babies?
I bet 90% of them don’t even use a cc on there store,yet us ppl who do are going to get punished because of them.

I bought the armour because i liked it,i did not like the other amours in the past so never bought them.
also two of my chars have had many transmuted looks on them before this new armour was put on them.
so if i don’t like the new armour i lose out on money as well as my orig armour before i put this new armour on a it will revert back to the orig armour before the transmutation.

The simple way is ppl who bought get to keep it now, it simple as that.
we should not be forced to change it now and lose out because some kids who don;t even use a cc in anet store starts crying.

Tbh anet will lose a lot of paying customers,if the paying customers gets **** over.
Because i will never use my cc again.

Ya, what kind of game rewards in game activity more than throwing money at the screen?!

I’v have more hours in this game than you think.
I even bought this game before release so got to play the beta side of it.
also i have 8 full lvl 80 all good geared,all took a lot of my time and farming for the gear.
But if something turns up in the store that’s nice or cool and cannot get it anywhere else.i will buy it.

Ya, except for the whole part about how it was there. In an npc vendor, for 3x the cost.

so what.
when i bought gw 2 i paid over £50 guess what gw 2 now is less than £25.
Also the armour is kinda different it have flames.

it wont be long before ascended armour is out and they might even look better still.
are ppl still going to cry when there cheaper in tp to there cultural armour?

You are totally not getting the point.

I get the point.
What i don’t get is ppl who paid real cash gets kitten over.
yet the ones that prob never use a credit card wins.
it don’t make sense.

Same principal as exploiters always seem to come out on top over legit players.

XxTAFxX.6741:

Why is anet listening to these cry babies?
I bet 90% of them don’t even use a cc on there store,yet us ppl who do are going to get punished because of them.

I bought the armour because i liked it,i did not like the other amours in the past so never bought them.
also two of my chars have had many transmuted looks on them before this new armour was put on them.
so if i don’t like the new armour i lose out on money as well as my orig armour before i put this new armour on a it will revert back to the orig armour before the transmutation.

The simple way is ppl who bought get to keep it now, it simple as that.
we should not be forced to change it now and lose out because some kids who don;t even use a cc in anet store starts crying.

Tbh anet will lose a lot of paying customers,if the paying customers gets **** over.
Because i will never use my cc again.

Unfortunately that would not appease the QQing T3 people as then our new Flameseeker armor would be more exclusive than their T3 armor.

Leo Paul.1659:

The only thing they can do right now is try to make the new flamekissed skin as awesome as possible so people won’t ask for a refund. :/

That is the only thing that will work in ANETs favour.

Using the EULA/TOS to justify the change would be pretty low in anyone’s standard.

Sabyne.6329:

Flissy.4093:

bAss ackwards.7205:

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

• When we update the Flamekissed Armor Skins with the new artwork, any player that has already purchased the set and who does not like the new, updated look, can get a full refund by contacting Customer Support.

I “upgraded” my full Human T3 armor to the Flamekissed set. If I don’t like the new look, will CS change or supply me with the Human T3 armor set so I can revert back?

Trans Splitters. Job done.

If the T3 was transmuted to an exotic set, I believe trans splitters will give him the exotic set back, not the previous transmuted T3 exotic, but I could be wrong.

correct

angelpaladin.7921:

TFeldt.4560:

Cliff.8679:

If you go to an arcade, buy $10 worth of tokens, but find that the game you wanted to play is broken, you’re not going to get your $10 back. They’re going to expect you to spend those tokens on other games.

What if you asked the clerk before paying if the game you wanted was available and working? What if he said yes, it sure is, just the way you want it. Here, preview it if you wish, looks great, doesn’kitten And then you find out that no, he was lying. Wouldn’t that count as false advertising? Wouldn’t you want your tokens exchanged at that point or would you again accept that you had to play another game?

Anyway, officially giving up at this point. That analogy just tickled me the wrong way for the wrong reasons.

EDIT: Err, the “kitten” above must have been me forgetting to hit space between “doesn’t” and “it”. So it ended up as a female mammary gland, apologies for that.

But the catch is when you sign in to Guild Wars you agree to there TOS which states they have the right to change anything or even shut down the game at a moments notice.

Sure you could fight them on it but there a multi million dollar company so there just going to out last you if you did try to dispute there TOS with them.

Lol, so bite the hand that feeds you. Good idea.

Cliff.8679:

Cathgar.7581:

No, as you can only buy things from store with gems you pay with cash to make that possible. So you are still paying RWM to buy that item.

You can buy gems with gold, not just cash. When you’re paying cash, you’re getting gems, not an item from the gem store. If you go to an arcade, buy $10 worth of tokens, but find that the game you wanted to play is broken, you’re not going to get your $10 back. They’re going to expect you to spend those tokens on other games.

If Anet start going down that slippery slope things will not end well as a lot of people only spent RWM to get the advertised item and if they cannot get that RWM back, well that would speak volumes.

Cliff.8679:

Cathgar.7581:

Cliff.8679:

TFeldt.4560:

Cliff.8679:

But at the end of the day, buying something off the gem store gives you no more rights than someone who doesn’t. Everyone playing Guild Wars 2 is a paying customer, because they bought the game. Utilizing the gem store gives you no privileges, and you should not expect special treatment.

I expect no special treatment whatsoever. I expect to be given what I paid for, not something else.

You paid for gems, which you’ll be refunded if you so choose. It’s a terrible situation and ArenaNet desperately needs to hire a “Common Sense Manager” to oversee a number of aspects of the game before pulling something like this. I sympathize, but as I said, this is the best and only course of action they can take that preserves the integrity of the game.

Actually that is incorrect, he paid cash for the item but a by product of buying things off of the gem store is that your cash is converted to gems.

He bought gems with cash, and he bought the armor with gems. It’s no different than buying a gem card with real money. Intention of what item you wish to buy has nothing to do with it.

No, as you can only buy things from store with gems you pay with cash to make that possible. So you are still paying RWM to buy that item.

Cliff.8679:

TFeldt.4560:

Cliff.8679:

But at the end of the day, buying something off the gem store gives you no more rights than someone who doesn’t. Everyone playing Guild Wars 2 is a paying customer, because they bought the game. Utilizing the gem store gives you no privileges, and you should not expect special treatment.

I expect no special treatment whatsoever. I expect to be given what I paid for, not something else.

You paid for gems, which you’ll be refunded if you so choose. It’s a terrible situation and ArenaNet desperately needs to hire a “Common Sense Manager” to oversee a number of aspects of the game before pulling something like this. I sympathize, but as I said, this is the best and only course of action they can take that preserves the integrity of the game.

Actually that is incorrect, he paid cash for the item but a by product of buying things off of the gem store is that your cash is converted to gems.

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

As excited as I was to be able to get this armor for my norn, I appreciate the exclusivity destruction caused by the light armor skin. I have two questions:

1) have you considered release a new skin and leaving first day purchasers with the opportunity to keep the original? I imagine the likelihood of this depends on how many people purchased it.

2) I placed the skin over previously transmuted armor (3 CoF and 3 temple, which I mix and matched lower tier armor skins onto). If we select a refund, when the new armor is released, will we receive transmutation stones to reapply previous skins? I don’t know how a double transmutation works with the splitters… My skin choices were cheap ones, but I imagine some people may have applied over other skin upgrades, which might make this even more complicated.

My thought is that #1 is the easiest solution to #2, but not the one that T3 cultural owners may find acceptable… Which I respect.

This is going to be the biggest problem if the new skin is unacceptable, so they had better make a really good looking skin.

Wonder what the ratio of T3 to the reskin is and who is the larger group because they are going to kitten off a lot of people who paid RWM for the reskin, especially ones that do not even know about the changes.

phaseviii.4619:

Cathgar.7581:

Golgathoth.3967:

Najten.2418:

I’ve already gotten this skin because I LOVED the look of it..
What if I HATE the new look of it? Will there be an option for a refund then, cuz it is a lot of gold/gems for something you don’t want and it would make me quite upset to be stuck with something I don’t want to use..

We have the option of being refunded. Personally, if I don’t like it I’m asking for my actual money back, not just the gems. I wouldn’t have funded them if the armor hadn’t been there, and if they wouldn’t give me back my actual money then that would be a bait and switch, of sorts. I’m pretty grumpy.

Actually bait and switch is a good term for it, you buy something in good faith based on what you see and then it gets changed after you paid the purchased price.

This is why I am unhappy about this solution. I wouldn’t have bought the gems had I known they would change the armor after the fact. I put the money in specifically for that set, and now that it is being taken back I have no guarantee that my money will net me a skin I’ll enjoy. Considering their other armor releases, I have little faith I’ll find something as appealing as how the flamekissed set looked on my female Asura. It seems like they’re only refunding gems, but I really would want my money back if I’m unhappy with the change. I guess I’ll see how that goes when the time comes.

(I should also note I already owned the human T3 and wasn’t upset over people other than humans wearing it.)

I was not upset over others having the T3 as well (as I reskinned my T3 Human) but you will always get the have and have nots and elitists in all MMO’s, yet the ones that did not complain and did nothing wrong are the ones that cop the fallout.