Guild Wars 2

Dog.1472:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Your intent may not have been a thread directing the devs to nerf thieves, but that’s what it’s become. There’s a high risk factor to every fight when playing glass, yet people don’t see it. Invisibility =/= invulnerability. A successful attack against a stealthed GC thief does significant damage and they often cripple under heavy AoE (which the ele has a lot of!).

Stop calling for an all-out nerf to thieves. In Street Fighter did you spam buttons against every opponent you fought against? You probably didn’t get far in the game if you did. Learning to fight other classes is the same way. A simple dodge can mess up a glass thief’s entire rotation and at that point, they have very little initiative left. Your ele is obviously as glassy as they come judging by how quickly you went down and you’re exactly the type of player glass cannon thieves excel in killing: slow, unresponsive, and definitely NOT wearing any sort of PTV gear.

Had you built for more survivability, that thief would never have had a shot at killing you while you were in the midst of your group. Don’t blame the thief for your failure. Blame yourself and get better instead of being a bad player whining about being ganked on the forums.

I’m sorry, but common sense is lost here.

It would seem the majority of the people here can’t handle the concept that they are bad players. In their minds they are the greatest thing to have ever graced the fields of WvW and therefore, being killed means everything is unbalanced.

Did I make a mistake here? Nope, IMBA.

You are completely right. OP is a troll or very bad player, and i suggest to fellow thieves just ignore such threads and posts, why we must prove obvious facts. There is a legion of terri/bad players. OP is a terri/bad player, this is obvious for any person who have some pvp experience. Abd that ele deserve to die again and again and so on till the end of time, cause he hopeless, and he never learn to play properly.

Travlane.5948:

Pleurodesed.7625:

Travlane.5948:

Pleurodesed.7625:

Wall of text

well not all multi hit builds run high condi dmg. the point is the Retal needs a tiny fix. just so the dmg matchs on high hit and low hit. not 10x more on low hit.

skill A(10 hits) : 4000 damage and receives 3500 back from retaliation
skill B(1 hit): 4000 damage and receives 350 back from retaliation

tell me how this is makes sense. tell me why a warrior who does whirl has to take 3500 damage when a thief backstabs for the same amount and only takes 350 damage. mm? if u think this is fair then u are a bad….lazy…..“want something for nothing” kind of player. :P

I explained quite detailed why it makes sense in that wall of text.
You can’t ask to nerf something just because it’s better at doing what it’s supposed to do that at it’s not supposed to do, even when apparently it doesn’t particularly excel at it (you mentioned how you still defeat retaliatory guardians with burst with ease; it should probably get buffed so you can’t do it anymore since THAT’S what’s imbalanced).

actually thats not what i said. i said MY build destroys them. but thats bc its a super high heal build with high condition removal and armor ignoring dmg. THATS why my build beats it. its not mainstream and it also isnt burst at all.

ok so explain to me the purpose of retaliation? its to punish weaker….multi hit builds? and reward high dmg single hit builds?

sorry that just doesnt make sense to me.

Thats the key of all talking that spread by Travln – ok so explain to me the purpose of retaliation? its to punish weaker….multi hit builds? and reward high dmg single hit builds?

I explain it to you, Travln. You are bed thief using poor bad build cause you cant play normal and control normal builds such as d/d d/p s/d and so on. You realize that you are inferior to normal thieves players, and crying here for a nerfs, to campensate your terribad skills. And you never ever can kill a good full buncker guardian (you lie again, saying that you destroy them) cause full bunker guard out-heal your pathetic damage easily, and probably you kill yourself off retaliation. Thats the point of your tears. This is all about L2p, travln.

travln, i dont chase you, this is you chase me. And what about your last post here? As always no sense in it. You one word – revenue, doesn’t explain you words about understanding in context of that post:
i understand what developers want. but at this point what WE want is a nerf. and not directly. but what SHOULD be happening is ALL our skills should be as useful as HS or CND or Cluster bomb or Head Shot. why? bc we still have initiative pool and there is no difference in and blah blah blah.
This is your words, and haw your one word – revenue, explained that post? I can answer – you as always wright bullkitten, in pathetic attempt to appear as smart person, and failed again, as always.

Trabvln have big problems with logic, thats why in every single thread he get totally owned by himself. So i make conclusion-travln female or kid, or female kid.

bobross.5034:

dueled 3 guardians in wvw today with my P/D thief. I think I took some retal damage, but it wasn’t really an issue – they all spent most of the fight running. Really not seeing why a nerf is necessary.

I tell you why, cause travln cant do as good as you against guards, so he cry for nerf. Thats all.

He is a very good thief.

Aberrant.6749:

A passive buff dealing as much damage as it does for being applied so easily is OP. The boon need some balancing. One buff which can be easily kept on permanently shouldn’t counter entire weapon sets. Thieves don’t have it nearly as bad as eng does though… 2-3 piercing pistol shots into a WvW group and I gotta go heal or die… from a passive buff… that’s wrong imo. There is no good counter play to it other than just don’t hit them since it’s re-applied on a whim.

Maybe you right, cause i don’t participate big fights, for me it is not a problem, but for engi retal can be painful.

Travln cant play normal build, cause hi is bad, so he choose p/d bunker build, that don’t produce damage. And he want to kill super bunker guardian with another bunker build – this is ridiculous. I cant kill full bunker guardian too, but that type of guardian cant kill me, so i think it is fair. But travln want to own everything in line of sight just by using auto-attack, so sad) L2p dear. And travln you are talking about guards retal and mesmer clones, that no skill needed to play by that professions, but what skill are you using – c&d off pet, clone, npc, siege, ambient creature and press one button to do your pew pew and wait till opponent bleed to death? So much skill needed to do this, lol. You continue to entertain us by your posts.

evilapprentice.6379:

Travlane.5948:

i see. we are assuming it does. so instead of plz fix….. “can you plz modify HIS to include torment as it sort of insists that all dmging conditions are removed”.

i agree but just didnt know if it was stated. everyone makes it sound like its stated.

withdraw would have to remove another condition then too…..what should it be?

You can look at HiS pre torment and clearly see that it was designed to remove all conditions that deal damage passively.

You can look at Withdraw and clearly see that it was designed to remove all movement impairing effects.

It’s not much of a stretch to claim that torment should be included in HiS – maybe that’s not the way Anet feels, but it’s not ludicrous for us to assume that it should be included seeing as how they designed thief heals pre-torment. Withdraw doesn’t need another condition added to its cleanses (unless of course they add another movement impairing condition). The point of this post is to bring it to Dev’s attention so we can either hear “you’re right, including it next patch”, or “Nope, torment isn’t supposed to be healed by HiS”

Don’t be angry, travln 12 year old and hardly can read.

Travlane.5948:

bobross.5034:

Travlane.5948:

well the thing here is that anet thinks if they make ALL the skills as strong as CND or HS then we will be OP. but the fact is they should all be strong to their respective use. we have initiative so it doesnt matter if we go 2 2 2 or 3 3 3 . as long as the init matches the skill then they should ALL be good skills. but some ignorants look at it as wow every wepaonset has 5 strong skills. if u put 5 strong skills on any other class it will be op. but not thief. bc we spam the best skill anyway. u know what i mean? so by makign them all equally awesome wont hurt the game.

The ideal balance for thief is not that any skill can be spammed any time – that’s boring. Ideally every skill is potentially very useful in the right situation (spammed or not), and less useful in others. So when asking if a given skill is worthwhile, the questions need to be:
1 – “Is there a situation(s) where this is the best skill to use?”
2 – “Is that situation relatively common?”

I think the developer goal for every weapon set should be that you can say yes to both questions for all of the skills in the set. Right now I’d say that’s probably the case for d/p and s/d.

In the case of shadow-strike, it is superior to CnD for both offense and defense in a few scenarios.
1 – You are revealed and have initiative to spare – so a little extra dps and a cover condition are useful. – maybe you’ve got a gap-closer up too in case the enemy is about to run.
2 – You are fighting a meleer, who knows how to handle stealth, so your CnD is not protecting you the way you want/need it to.
3 – you are running, and need distance more than you need stealth.
4 – you are in an aoe circle and out of dodges.
5 – you just got immobilized

its circumstantially better. you mean depending on traits. CND is always going to be better on p/d than shadow strike. lets compare considering that we always ALWAYS ALWAYS lol have 30 in SA

CND for 6 initiative

1100 damage or so
3 vulnerability
AOE blind on hit
2 condi removal
1400 heal ish
Bonus: Sets you up for sneak attack (1200 dmg 6 bleeds at range)

Shadow Strike for 4 initiative

220 +730 dmg or so
2 stacks of torment
Bonus: Creates 700ish range gap.

now its obvious which is better. am i sayin SS doesnt fit in? heck no. i said before i loooove to use it on warriors…guardians….some rangers and other thieves…even engineers sometimes if the occaisson is right. its a nice lil add in.

i understand what developers want. but at this point what WE want is a nerf. and not directly. but what SHOULD be happening is ALL our skills should be as useful as HS or CND or Cluster bomb or Head Shot. why? bc we still have initiative pool and there is no difference in spamming 4 4 4 4 or 2 2 2 2 if they are both balanced in initiative costs to skill power. but that means that all 5 of our skill sets have to be equally awesome. so whats going to happen if they make that? a bunch of QQers saying look at their 1-5 and they have all of them awesome and usable. what about poor ol warrior and poor ol guardian? why cant all 5 of ours be awesome. well the short answer is they can spam 5 skills in a row then switch and do 5 more. thats 10 total. the most we can spam is 3-4 skills on the heavy end. there is the bigg difference even tho most people cant wrap their heads around that.

problem: low skill lvl of players that spam skills. how can we fix this?

solution: make all 5 skills on every thief weapon set equally awesome so we can no go 131414155322 rather than 3 3 3 3 or 2 2 2 2 or 5 1 5 1 5 1 or 5 2 2 1 etc.

there really is not difference as long as the power/initiative ratio is balanced correctly.
you will see QQers no matter what tho

What developers want? What do you understand? Don’t make me laugh.

iNtEnTiOnS.9562:

I had some clips left on my HDD for ages so i decided to make one more video. Anyway love it or hate it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCD0ZucHtHg

Cool, you are great player.

Travlane.5948:

who proclaimed i was a guru? i didnt.

dr yamak. also stop following me its kind of creepy. u have no facts …. no skills…no video. you ahve nothing but troll comments. hater

You did this. I have enough facts. Your video crap, and prove that you are bad player. I don’t follow you, this is you wright stupid posts almost in each thread. And i am not your hater i am your big fan) You wright so funny posts, continue to do it, entertain thieves community.

swinsk.6410:

S/D is useless in wvw.

Use dagger/pistol as your main weaponset and d/d as your initial burst.

Roll for the ini? lols.

Shadowstep, Shadowrefuge, Basi Venom, the 3rd utility is up in the air but I usually switch between assassin signet and signet of shadows.

Your first build is a joke right?

You should be running X/30/30/X/X in wvw. I personally like the 0/30/30/10/0 with the movement speed in stealth. Mobility is king in wvw.

S/d is useless in wvw realy? While you using that p/d crap, killing rats and rabbits, S/d jump into the group of enemies and do massive aoe damage with sword. Then go out and repeat. p/d is a useless. And one question you are p/d pet of self-proclaimed “guru” Travln, and also “very good thief”? Am i right? Yes i am right)

Very simple. Avoid c&d and p/d forced to run to nearest pack of mobs. If he don’t run to nearest rats to c&d off he is dead. If hi run and find some mobs to c&d off just walk away cause p/d is a troll and nothing more. p/d can kill only that players who use bad builds or new to the game.

Travlane.5948:

@phoenix yeah i get what you mean. i am a very good thief. what you see in the video never happens. what is happening is either lag or something else that i cant explain bc what im seeing in game doesNOT match what i see in the playback of the recording. on the video you see me CND after i stealth…literally right after. thats not what i saw in game. what i saw is no stealth so i CND to try get stealth. get it?

You are very bad thief. Self proclaimed guru continue to spread rumors about himself. Stop it and l2p at least.

This copy paste from another thread of Travln, called – Cloack and Dagger BUG!!?

Vavume.8065:

Played D/D since release, I’m not experiencing any problems with C&D, the only time it fails is if I’ve triggered a stealth trap.
Watched your vid Travlane and you are trying to cloak while revealed is still up, thats not lag, just bad timing. TBH you just played really badly, the first immune you threw a junk while in stealth that revealed u and then you tryed to cloak immediantly, and the 2nd immune was because you attacked with cloak while in stealth…

And Travln respond to Vavume:

0_o i have a 50 to 1 kill death ratio…….roughly give or take….. 6250 achievement points…… full hall…..legendary (almost 3)…..3k hours logged on thief……5 suites of armor….10 weapon sets…. 4 lvl 80s…..(only the important ones lol) anyone not a bragging session my points is i know kitten well what timing is. i can get CND to go off with stealth so fast it seems like revealed is still on.

what you are seeing in a video is not what we are seeing while playing. i have been on thief for 9 months and have pretty much mastered every build (other than p/p) so all the sudden complaining about a bug like this or maybe its lag or bottle necking information from game to desktop/laptop is debateable. what i do know is its not a L2P issue. many experienced thieves are having this problem. it is 100% on anets end.

This is hilarious Travln. Bravo, we want more) First time i just think that you are bad fat troll. But now i realize that you are too dumb for this, you tasty food for trolls and nothing more.

The best way is just to ignore posts of this “man”, let him to speak with voices in his head and continue to believe in mythical “mastery” and "superiority ". Travln, you fabricate evidences in the MMO game, you have big problems with your brain.

Travlane.5948:

i said if u hide i will hide. under 10 secs is fine. but dont expect me not to hide if u do.

i would never once hit u with anything other than p/d . as i said iw ould beat you with p/d but you didnt fight me. i was in the room and u didnt come. so u either wussed out or you are on EU server. im from USA. you russia. do the math.

One more lie from little clicker) Continue to entertain me and fellow thieves. It is very funny to have personal clown.

I predict that it should be some kind of provocation from travln, thats why i make screen shots.

Travlane.5948:

even look at the skills. those are not D/p utilities. they are p/d duh :P

One more lie, he say to me that hi will use d/p in duel cause it is unfair that i have so much stealth. And he realize that he cant win with p/d. Also Traqvln that kitten eater refuse from dueling. Just give the name of custom arena i enter that arena but he didn’t came. After that i ask him to give me the name of a room where he are but he didn’t. Then he says that he record all and post on forum, but video only 8 sec, it is strange). So this is just a kitten sucker that want to prove something but always fails. So sad. He even cant duel, cause he just clicker pug) Travln says that he mastered d/d and d/p, one question – you mastered that builds by clicking on skills by mouse as you do on p/d? rofl.

And one more. Travln just find me and continue to avoid dueling, making video and try to troll but failed. How sad, you cant even troll good. Terrible player, bad troll. You must to think about suicide)

That dude refuse to duel. And hide. Hi waste 20 mins of my life wrighting bullkitten to me. And try to frighten me with video.

DrYamak.9364:

Travlane.5948:

DrYamak.9364:

Travlane.5948:

s/d has no chance srry yamak. d/p …well i guess it dpeends on both players. if d/p is overly agressive itl oses…. same with p/d.

Prove it. Just one duel. As for d/p you (YOU -Travlane not d/p thief) need to c&d off something to do your pew pew, but sometimes. you know you just cant do this. In wvw all p/d thiefs start to run to nearest pack of mobs cause – c&d miss, c&d miss, what a crap-need to find rabbit or rat to c&d off. But in custom arena no rats and your lovely rabbits, and you know this . You say that d/p inferior to p/d so why you cant kill it? Of course you can, but why you afraid to prove it? Cause you just little pug with some huge pretends, sorry to disappoint you all of your pretends silly.

wow…ok lol..where do i start on this mess of ideas.

1) re-read the title….
2) read it again lol….
3) yes this build works in wvw with a slight change of 2 traits and 2 utils
4)i would be more than happy for a duel. actually i prolly have some footage of a s/d and me fighting somewhere….althought not alot bc its rare to see s/d in wvw.
5)not sure how to respond to the rest as it doesnt make sense? i have huge pretends? your are sorry about my pretends? wtf does that mean?
6) yes s/d is quite inferior in the the context of what i was discussing. s/p too. d/p is close but cant really zerg it up so it comes up short in that department.
7) “as for d/p you need CnD” <——- you said this…… d/p doesnt use CND

anytime u want a duel ill put you on video. let me know not one troll / hater has accepted the challenge yet.

I mean that in duel with d/p you need to c&d off something, and it is not so hard to stop you from doing this. I am await you for funny duel the whole day. Just reply on this post enter the game and we go to the mists. Only one troll here that doesn’t accept duel – it is you.

Travlane.5948:

DrYamak.9364:

Travlane.5948:

s/d has no chance srry yamak. d/p …well i guess it dpeends on both players. if d/p is overly agressive itl oses…. same with p/d.

Prove it. Just one duel. As for d/p you (YOU-Travlane not d/p thief) need to c&d off something to do your pew pew, but sometimes. you know you just cant do this. In wvw all p/d thiefs start to run to nearest pack of mobs cause – c&d miss, c&d miss, what a crap-need to find rabbit or rat to c&d off. But in custom arena no rats and your lovely rabbits, and you know this . You say that d/p inferior to p/d so why you cant kill it? Of course you can, but why you afraid to prove it? Cause you just little pug with some huge pretends, sorry to disappoint you all of your pretends silly.

wow…ok lol..where do i start on this mess of ideas.

1) re-read the title….
2) read it again lol….
3) yes this build works in wvw with a slight change of 2 traits and 2 utils
4)i would be more than happy for a duel. actually i prolly have some footage of a s/d and me fighting somewhere….althought not alot bc its rare to see s/d in wvw.
5)not sure how to respond to the rest as it doesnt make sense? i have huge pretends? your are sorry about my pretends? wtf does that mean?
6) yes s/d is quite inferior in the the context of what i was discussing. s/p too. d/p is close but cant really zerg it up so it comes up short in that department.
7) “as for d/p you need CnD” <——- you said this…… d/p doesnt use CND

anytime u want a duel ill put you on video. let me know not one troll / hater has accepted the challenge yet.

I mean that in duel with d/p you need to c&d off something, and it is not so hard to stop you from doing this. I am await you for funny duel the whole day. Just reply on this post enter the game and we go to the mists. Only one troll here that doesn’t accept duel – it is you.

Travlane.5948:

@DRyamak

“No, I cant flip a camp half as fast, I can flip it TWICE as fast if not more. Yes it can be proven in video, we all saw the one you posted I can guarantee you I don’t even get downed unlike you.”

this was said in your post….maybe it was quoted or edited incorrectly idk. but it seems like a response…i didnt see anyoen elses name near it.

Now i understand all about you, you inadequate, completely . That was reply of Tonikor to you.

Travlane.5948:

s/d has no chance srry yamak. d/p …well i guess it dpeends on both players. if d/p is overly agressive itl oses…. same with p/d.

Prove it. Just one duel. As for d/p you need to c&d off something to do your pew pew, but sometimes. you know you just cant do this. In wvw all p/d thiefs start to run to nearest pack of mobs cause – c&d miss, c&d miss, what a crap-need to find rabbit or rat to c&d off. But in custom arena no rats and your lovely rabbits, and you know this . You say that d/p inferior to p/d so why you cant kill it? Of course you can, but why you afraid to prove it? Cause you just little pug with some huge pretends, sorry to disappoint you all of your pretends silly.

Travlane.5948:

@dr yamak….when i was downed at that camp…. RI…..didnt notice he had that up. rewatch it. not even gonan respond to the rest or read it since u dont know simple stuff like that?

What about you talking? I don’t say anything about camp. What stuff? Are you adequate or not?

Travlane.5948:

just to prove a point ill go d/d now we all know thats one of the worst builds out there. but ill run it

ps . when i say worst builds i mean less all around balanced and one of the 2 least played builds.

No no my dear friend, as you say only p/d godly all other d/d and d/p are pesky and useless so use you excellent p/d build do your pew pew and instagib that useless d/d and d/p in duels. But you never do this cause pathetic talking one thing and killing them by p/d is completely another.

Travlane.5948:

tonikor ur wrong . u misread. plz reread entire thread. “I” have challenged them bc they are haters. not one accepted . dont need to tellthem my guild. its absolute irrelevant.

You lie again, i agree to duel with you, and you first start talking about that. And other ppl ask you for duel. But you hiding and continue to spread you pathetic talking.

Travlane.5948:

dr yamak…i use bandi cam…only 10 min segments but its easier to add/subtract film that way. then windows movie maker. im like a noob with it and i can do it. so i think uc an too! BANDICAM.COM and use windowsmovie maker…

Thx, ill try this. It is must be interesting to do video. Ty.

style.6173:

DrYamak.9364:

What do you mean? A video of a duel with Travln?

Nah. Just post any video of your playstyle. Maybe you know some new technique none of us have considered.

I don’t have any video. I know how to record it with fraps, but idk how to convert it properly to post on youtube. Also idk any unic techniques, all of it was invented before me.

What do you mean? A video of a duel with Travln?

And if you want a duel, i am always up. And i bet all gold of the world you cant kill me. It is impossible for you, i guarantee.

Travln i saw your video you are terrible. Your pretends to be a pro pathetic and silly. You so bad, no wonder that you choose condi thief. In that video you fight a poor helpless ranger by half of a day and that ranger almost kill you, for normal thief it is a fast free frag. All ppl that you are able to kill terribly bad. Show how you kill good (as you say pesky) d/d ele or d/p thief. Entertain us. And you tell that was medium zerg?Are you kidding?

Another self-proclaimed guru, that plays condi crap. But it is ok, play whatever you want. No, you just blow in trumpet about your condi superiority, don’t make people laugh.

You cant kill with condi thief anyone who can remove conditions. Only glass only noobs only upleveled. And show your godly video with condi thief. Or you afraid of comments?)

Condition thief it is a picture on the wall, for new on this class players. Best way to beat condition thief – walk away while laughing.