I love the fact thakittens now turning into a crusade to shut Vayne up. Something something then they laugh at you something.
As for Anet’s ‘changing’ the loot system, I have an outstanding question as to whether or not the Magic / Gold Find NPCs will make their way across Tyria, but that remains to be seen.
Well you see about that Vayne thing, he does spend all his time in the forums trying to debunk every major complaint out there about anything. He’s pretty much made a name for himself by denying every problem players face and trying to convince the world there’s nothing wrong with anything, the game has no issues according to Vayne.
Except for the RNG boxes that I complain about (fairly often), the personal story ending in a dungeon when the rest of it has been solo, the fact that you see other people in that personal story instead of your own character, the fact that I was more involved in my characters in Guild Wars 1 than here, the fact that there needs to be more build variety (which I have stated)…and probably others I can’t remember off hand.
Maybe it’s just that I disagree with the stuff YOU say that makes you think that I don’t see problems with the game. There are plenty of problems.
They’re just different from yours, because I have a different play style.
if you have different problem then why are you here?
if you have different play style then dont hate on us.
Farming is the main component of MMo except its a CASUAL MMO where grinding isn’t required.
GW can’t be considered casual since as we know, Legendary needs grinding (For most people, unlike vayne).
we are mostly aware that events gives rare and we do events because it gives rare. What if it doesnt give rare? obviously you wont see many players doing the event.
Then is it a farm? Yes Ofc. You are farming rares!
Clearly some people doesn’t like it when they’re less successful than others
Question: After reaching level 80 and getting a full set of exotic armor, what is the point of even playing anymore if not to farm? The endgame at level 80 is getting enough cash for the skins we want.
I kind of feel this way too – it’s why I started getting into WvW, because I didn’t feel like I had anything else to do or any realistically achievable goals once I hit 80.
I have no problem with the horizontal progression idea of endgame being going for skins and minor upgrades, but the trouble is that some of them are so prohibitively difficult to get. Due to DR and RNG you almost have to spend gold to get some of the stuff you want, and gold isn’t particularly easy to get in my experience unless you treat the TP like a stock market (which isn’t fun for those of us who aren’t stockbroker types) or run dungeons over and over (which gets dull – and as a ranger, I’m not exactly getting invited to a lot of groups, and my guild is a very small group of friends.)
I’m trying to farm for Kudzu and I have most of it now, but the T6 mats are awful to try to get and its very disheartening. I don’t want to just break open my wallet and do gems -> gold -> mats because, well, that doesn’t feel legendary. I want to earn this. But if I hadn’t gotten stupidly lucky and had a precursor drop from a jellyfish there’s a good chance I’d never finish because the whole endeavour would feel so thanklessly impossible.
I think there is a fine line between having a long-term, difficult goal to work towards which encourages you to log in and keep playing, and making (at least some of) the endgame rewards feel so wildly out of reach you get discouraged and stop playing. With some of the materials I think it is falling on the wrong side of that line at the moment.
I know. Its just silly that the game is designed that way. GOLD is the main component of this game, yet they’re trying to stop us getting GOLD. I Know vayne will say that “OFC GOLD IS NOT THE MAIN COMPONENT OF THIS GAME BLAAA BLAA BLAAA…” but i think it is. I would obviously want to make myself look better and it can only be done with GOLD which we can get through farming. Dyes, weapons, armors, legendary, whatever it is.
This is a question asked in a vacuum. The bots obviously lowered the price tremendously, and as a result, they were artificially priced too low. They went up to roughly normal price.
Normal price according to what? Priced too low according to what? This is not a market economy, its a virtual economy that is subject to the whims of anet aka God.
Yep. You hit the nail on the head. Anet has a price range that lets them know if prices are too inflated or normal. You don’t get to know normal and I don’t either. They do. That’s fine.
They hired an economist and you can bet he watches stuff like that. If something goes “too high” it’ll flag some kind of action. The action will take a while, but it’ll get fixed BECAUSE it’s a game and not real life.
OFC dust price should be the lowest of all actually. Lets see… Vial of Powerful Blood=
50 Vial of Potent Blood
1 Vial of Powerful Blood
5 Philosopher’s Stone 5 Pile of Crystalline Dust Powerful Venom Sac=
50 Potent Venom Sac
1 Powerful Venom Sac
5 Philosopher’s Stone 5 Pile of Crystalline Dust Elaborate Totem=
50 Intricate Totem
1 Elaborate Totem
5 Philosopher’s Stone 5 Pile of Crystalline Dust
and others
Logically speaking, Dust should be have the LOWEST price since it’s used a lot. Anet themselves designed it to have to lowest price it’s common sense. Being cheated in real life is just as painful as being cheated in game. AND even if it’s only a “virtual” economy, its still economy. It’s a very sensitive topic to people.
Just because it’s used a lot, doesn’t mean it should have the lowest cost. If it’s rarity is the same as the other T6 mats, and it’s used more, logically it should actually cost more.
What I’m saying is that since it’s used a lot, the rarity should be lower than the other t6.
This is a question asked in a vacuum. The bots obviously lowered the price tremendously, and as a result, they were artificially priced too low. They went up to roughly normal price.
Normal price according to what? Priced too low according to what? This is not a market economy, its a virtual economy that is subject to the whims of anet aka God.
Yep. You hit the nail on the head. Anet has a price range that lets them know if prices are too inflated or normal. You don’t get to know normal and I don’t either. They do. That’s fine.
They hired an economist and you can bet he watches stuff like that. If something goes “too high” it’ll flag some kind of action. The action will take a while, but it’ll get fixed BECAUSE it’s a game and not real life.
OFC dust price should be the lowest of all actually. Lets see… Vial of Powerful Blood=
50 Vial of Potent Blood
1 Vial of Powerful Blood
5 Philosopher’s Stone 5 Pile of Crystalline Dust Powerful Venom Sac=
50 Potent Venom Sac
1 Powerful Venom Sac
5 Philosopher’s Stone 5 Pile of Crystalline Dust Elaborate Totem=
50 Intricate Totem
1 Elaborate Totem
5 Philosopher’s Stone 5 Pile of Crystalline Dust
and others
Logically speaking, Dust should be have the LOWEST price since it’s used a lot. Anet themselves designed it to have to lowest price it’s common sense. Being cheated in real life is just as painful as being cheated in game. AND even if it’s only a “virtual” economy, its still economy. It’s a very sensitive topic to people.
So how about making an 8 players dungeon where every class is needed to complete the dungeon. Make each class unique that some skills from each profession are keys in completing the dungeon (portals) (RTL) (banners, for pressure plate maybe :P) (Feedback) (Pets) etc.
Guys just stop it lol. half of this page is almost filled with Vayne’s comments. make him the star of the day. he seems to know what he’s talking about. This guy really prefers the hard way guys. just deal with it. must be fun at parties
since we can convert gold to gems, it’s not a problem.
look at dragon nest’s inventory lol. make people wanna scream.
also atlantica. They just keep on releasing new mounts with better stats and guess what? RNG hahah. what makes it worse is that if you wanna be better in game, you have to have the mount since it really boost ur stat by lots of points.
my point is that as long as they dont impact stats, its okay.
Ya how dare they fix that exploited event! Grab the pitchforks and torches!
You obviously do not know the whole story. They did more than just fix the event. They decreased the loot rate and made it so one type of mob doesn’t drop anything at all. So even if you wanted to do the event the “right” way…you are going to get a lot less loot.
And then they opened up an island, added farmable events, added a buff that gives you 200% magic find in its place.
kitten them!
I really don’t think anyone contradicts themselves more then you do Vayne. You talk about this philosophy that Anet has about wanting players to spread out and do other things and explore other parts of the world….yet you commend Anet for hoarding everyone to one spot, with multiple overflows mind you, to grind!
Troll somewhere else please.
Players should be free to grind anywhere they like. That MF buff is an illusion…I am pretty sure I make more money farming penti/shelt they way it is now then I do bouncing between the two events in south sun, I have yet to receive one exotic from there…maybe it’s just my bad luck…
Don’t mind vayne. what he said is mostly about "I do this. I like this. Why don’t people do this, this and this. you guys should enjoy the game by doing this this this.) we pay for the game. Don’t hate on us.
The cool thing about the green items in GW, for me, was collecting them. I got a lot of mileage out of ‘going for the green’. I never sold them and didn’t always use them, and sometimes gave them away, but I had a lot of fun getting them.
You could also collect the named exotics in Guild Wars 2 the same way. There are a bunch of them. I got one this week.
The only difference is, I don’t have to stand in one place and kill one boss over and over to try to get his green. I can go anywhere and that exotic might drop.
Yeah, some random drop somewhere – meh. That’s not fun for me. Especially considering my luck with drops. The nearest thing I know of to getting a green item from a boss in GW2 would be Final Rest dropping from the Shadow Behemoth. I’ve long since given up on that dropping for me, though, and I won’t buy it off the trading post. So… meh.
So it takes longer to get the stuff, which makes it more valuable to me. Soloing a boss so I get a green and that’s easy to get that everyone has? Meh. I’d rather have something like Final Rest than that. I don’t mind that it takes longer to get stuff, as long as I’m getting it wherever I’m playing. I much prefer that.
Again, Please dont compare yourself and other people. If you prefer getting valuables in more difficult, time-taking way, since you say that it become more valuable to you, then go on. some of us here consider it stupid as sometimes, even if the price of the exotic is 1-2 gold (which is not cheap), we cant really sell it if the stat is bad. Salvage? no guarantee that you will get ectos that will cover the price of the exo. Please please pleaseeee…. Dont tell us what to do. we’re not baby anymore. we can decide what we want to do ourself.
I’ll compare myself to anyone I like, thanks. Try not to tell me what to do. It won’t change what I do.
If everyone got valuables easier, the valuables would be worthless (reference 90% of the greens in Guild Wars 1). Most of them you just merched, because they were worthless. If you prefer worthless greens to valuable exotics (and even many of them are no longer worth much), then that’s your own issue.
I’m not sure why people don’t understand that once a rare drop ceases to be rare, it’s not worth as much and as a result, you don’t get as much for it.
yeah we don’t understand. Problems?
and sorry. it’s just a suggestion.
The cool thing about the green items in GW, for me, was collecting them. I got a lot of mileage out of ‘going for the green’. I never sold them and didn’t always use them, and sometimes gave them away, but I had a lot of fun getting them.
You could also collect the named exotics in Guild Wars 2 the same way. There are a bunch of them. I got one this week.
The only difference is, I don’t have to stand in one place and kill one boss over and over to try to get his green. I can go anywhere and that exotic might drop.
Yeah, some random drop somewhere – meh. That’s not fun for me. Especially considering my luck with drops. The nearest thing I know of to getting a green item from a boss in GW2 would be Final Rest dropping from the Shadow Behemoth. I’ve long since given up on that dropping for me, though, and I won’t buy it off the trading post. So… meh.
So it takes longer to get the stuff, which makes it more valuable to me. Soloing a boss so I get a green and that’s easy to get that everyone has? Meh. I’d rather have something like Final Rest than that. I don’t mind that it takes longer to get stuff, as long as I’m getting it wherever I’m playing. I much prefer that.
Again, Please dont compare yourself and other people. If you prefer getting valuables in more difficult, time-taking way, since you say that it become more valuable to you, then go on. some of us here consider it stupid as sometimes, even if the price of the exotic that we get is 1-2 gold (which is not cheap), we cant really sell it if the stat is bad. Salvage? no guarantee that you will get ectos that will cover the price of the exo. Please please pleaseeee…. Dont tell us what to do. we’re not baby anymore. we can decide what we want to do ourself.
Well looks like Arenanet has continued to nerf farming events.
Yesterday I formed a farming exploration party and found out that Colonnade waypoint was the best spot. After a few hours, we get a new patch only to find out that it’s nerfed. No worries, we also found another spot to farm in the meantime, though I wonder how long until that gets nerfed too (hint, it hasn’t been changed since November)
Not to mention that shelt/pen has been nerfed completely by increasing the respawn timers of events.
With these changes, the Orr maps are pretty much dead of players.
And when Southsun passes by, the only way to get rich is to farm Cof1, farm meta events all day, or end up having to convert gems to gold.
Real disappointed in you Arenanet, you really have turned a once great game 360 degrees.
Orr drop rate was not nerfed – it was only changed in one specific farm spot. Run melandru, lyssa and dwayna starting from pres – good bag drops and the guaranteed rare reward for money once you finish the full temple event.
Dust is also cheaper than it ever was. Good time to buy a lot if you ask me.
don’t you get it??? Bag doesn’t guarantee any dusts and t6 mats. if you wanna buy it from tp and have money to buy it on tp, there’s nothing you can do if the tp isn’t selling any!
had 9 bags – got 2 T6 blood, 1 T6 venom sac and 1 T6 dust. Those bags have really good drop rate when it comes to T6.
yeah you always talk about yourself dude! what about others? its RNG! do you expect me to get the same amount and type of T6 that you got?
Orr drop rate was not nerfed – it was only changed in one specific farm spot. Run melandru, lyssa and dwayna starting from pres – good bag drops and the guaranteed rare reward for money once you finish the full temple event.
Dust is also cheaper than it ever was. Good time to buy a lot if you ask me.
don’t you get it??? Bag doesn’t guarantee any dusts and t6 mats. if you wanna buy it from tp and have money to buy it on tp, there’s nothing you can do if the tp isn’t selling any!
yeah that’s what i said about it in other threads. The demand of mats are just high. do you expect us to find mats in world event’s chest? even the heavy moldy bag give silks most of the time.
Anet what do you want us to do? Really? Every farm spot keeps getting nerfed. It seems like are only looking out for the interests of the TP traders. What ever can boost their profit margins right?
What are we to do? Just farm events themselves? For 1.8s a pop with increasing long cd’s…
Farm hearts? What for 50c to 3s a pop?
Farm dungeons, maybe….but we get smacked with dr and not everyone has an army of alts…
DR, intentional reduction of loot drop were there can be a mass of mobs
I give up…
Maybe you missed it…but Arenanet has said time and time and time again that they do NOT want farming in the game. Period.
So, no you aren’t supposed to go find another farm. You are supposed to go find another game if that’s what you want.
you. cant. just. simply. say. that.! BRO.
again, many people wants to make legendary because of the cool skin that it offers and it requires a lot of Money! don’t you think that it’s silly that we need to get 8 stacks of t6 and globs and all that with only doing world events and dungeons (other than cof(you said that we shouldn’t be farming), which takes a lot of time). lets say you can gather average of maximum 15-20 t6 per day. it means that you need about 133 days just to complete the t6 stacks (how about the other gifts?) and you can’t guarantee that people will get time to play everyday. It’s like anet wants us to get legendary but then they don’t want us to get the legendary too. Yeah and many of my friends quit the game too because of the nerfs. Happy?
What I find amusing is that everyone just goes along with the idea that there should even be a need to farm, instead of mechanics being implemented to naturally have players acquire what they need through normal game play.
People farm because Anet wants people to farm. Keeps people in game.
HUH! Are you serious? Just the opposite is true.
Really? What would you like to put forth to support your statement? There have been no statements from anet that say they are against normal farming (quite the opposite), there are mechanics in game that support the idea of farming, there is a complete stat for armor that supports farming. The only thing negative instituted in game is DR and from the statements directly from anet devs it’s in there to directly fight bots, not normal farmers.
I haven’t heard of a single farming spot being closed. I have seen and heard them fix bugs that people were using to farm unlimited spawns. There is nothing to support anyone saying they are getting zero drops. I’m sure they get plenty of drops, just not exactly what they want.
Thanks for your two links to Guild Wars 1, which have absolutely nothing to do with this game. Plus I looked at both of those a while back during another topic. If you follow the link sources to where the developers actually comment, they blatantly say they have nothing against farmers, and they want people to be able to farm.
Edit: Farming is not standing in one place with a macro, as far as I’m concerned that needs to be removed from the game.
No farming spots were closed only nerfed in the way of drops have been dialed way back or cut off, have you checked out the Pent/Shelter area in the past 2-3 weeks as compared to lets say 2 months ago? If so you can’t miss the FACT that known mobs that used to drop loot no longer do.
The two links are indeed from GW and if done there(albeit minamally there) it has very evidently been carried over to GW2 with a vengeance and I blame that part on NCsoft not ANET. There was a statement made by ANET that farming was to be discouraged.
I agree the standing in one place with actions using macros is just wrong, this I don’t do when farming, I am all over the world map in efforts to not be hit by the DR.
How little you know. DR has been a part of Guild Wars since 3 months after release. I’ve seen your type of posts 7 years ago in GW1 threads about DR. Nothing new to see here.
If you thought you could farm in an a.net game, you were clearly wrong. Go play any other NCsoft game. In lineage and aion you can farm to your heart’s content. In Guild Wars, you can’t. That’s a good thing imho.
Get a grip. You’ve got no idea what you’re talking about. Vayne may have forgotten a lot about GW1, but my memory for that game is almost encyclopedic.
I never said anything about there being no DR in Guild Wars and I was a farming fool with 13 mules all maxed in gold as well as my bank all from farming. Man, what are you on? Show me ONE POST you mentioned. You haven’t got a clue of who I am. Encyclopedic GW memory, yeah right, step slowly away from whatever your indulging in because it is scrambling your brain. Have a great day.
And yet, just playing the game usually turned out to be more effective than farming. Funny isn’t it.
Actually I don’t farm because it scrambles my brain. I can’t do it for any longer than it takes to master the build (10 seconds) It’s boring, not fun and silly. That’s not why I play games. I’d rather do engaging content, which, by definition, farming is not.
Yeah if it scramble your brain, it doesn’t scramble mine. People who paid to play this game isn’t just you. If you think that playing normally is effective than farming, why do i see people still farming for t6 mats and money at cof p1? if you rather do engaging content, then do it. Some people just wanna take their time to farm. it’s their time, not yours!
according to herzberg’s theory, reward push people to do things, not motivate them.
People enjoy being rewarded, especially when they invest more time on it, they should get better rewards. i believe in this theory and if you want to be less rewarded when doing more works……. no comments
it’s not that i hate doing events, but it would be more beneficial for me if i can farm and do complete events too so maximize my profit.
You must be new to MMO’s…if you are not you have no idea what you are talking about
No, I’m not new to MMO and because of that I exactly know what I’m talking about. No matter which MMORPG you play there are always people that just claim something but don’t bother providing proof. They always seem to think that just cause they play the game a certain way everybody else does so too.
Farming may have been and integral component of each WoW clone, but that doesn’t mean that the majority of players actually likes the concept of farming.
Ok, ok….lets see your numbers? Prove me wrong big guy. But just going by this thread and others that have popped up, I think it’s safe to say there are more than a few angry farmers
There are tons of angry farms. I’ve seen at least a dozen people posting that their farming is ruined. Many of those same people post in every single farming thread. I’ve seen just as many people saying that the game isn’t ruined and that farming is not what this game is about. So saying a dozen people are ticked off and posting all over the place is a far cry from most people.
The fact is, most people in this game probably just follow the meta events, and farm them. It’s clearly the way that Anet would want you to farm, being that they created an API which makes tracking events more accurate. And people do show up at these events.
Right now, there are people farming southsun. Why? Because there’s a 200% magic fine buff you can get for free that lasts 23 hours.
Anet doesn’t necessarily want people to farm Orr however. Orr is supposed to be a really tough end game zone and when people stay there running one route, it trivialized Orr completely.
New players get there and there’s just bedlam. You’re not a hero any more fighting through the hardest zone in the game. You’re a number trying to tag at target before it goes away so that you might get a drop from it.
If you think this is the way Anet wanted the game to go, I’m not sure what to say to you.
so like i said before, are you expecting the chest to give you stack of t6 instantly?
collecting t6 itself take months and if u prefer to do it slow way, dont ask me to follow you. now who said that farming isnt legit. if they dont want any farming to happen, why bother spawning monsters in non event area. most people will surely do what rewards them the most. its like you want us to less profit.
Why do you keep talking about most people, as if you know the mind of most people. Most people assume most people see things the way they do. Most people are wrong in that.
The overwhelming majority of players in an MMO is casual. This is true in most MMOs with the exception of some sandbox games like Eve.
Those who log in casually don’t farm because they have much less play time. Farming itself is a hard core activity if you call yourself a farmer.
Most casual players have no idea where to farm, where the profit is, or what you can get when you get that profit. They log in, they kill some stuff, they get a bit of world complete done and they’re happy. They see dynamic events that they’e never seen before, maybe do a jumping puzzle or a dungeon if they like that sort of thing.
Saying that most people do something in the absence of evidence to the contrary is just making stuff up. If you don’t believe what I’m saying, read some interviews with devs or look at some of the panels from game developer conferences and what that talk about.
Yes but doing events repeatedly everyday can still be considered farming. they know that these events give them rare and so they see it as something that is beneficial to do. if they are aware that farming monsters can give them more profit, why bother waiting for events to start. we can just do it halfway and still get the reward.
Baseline= hardcore gamers = should get more reward.
what u’r saying is that casual gamers shud get more reward and its not fair for those who invested more time to play.
You must be new to MMO’s…if you are not you have no idea what you are talking about
No, I’m not new to MMO and because of that I exactly know what I’m talking about. No matter which MMORPG you play there are always people that just claim something but don’t bother providing proof. They always seem to think that just cause they play the game a certain way everybody else does so too.
Farming may have been and integral component of each WoW clone, but that doesn’t mean that the majority of players actually likes the concept of farming.
Ok, ok….lets see your numbers? Prove me wrong big guy. But just going by this thread and others that have popped up, I think it’s safe to say there are more than a few angry farmers
There are tons of angry farms. I’ve seen at least a dozen people posting that their farming is ruined. Many of those same people post in every single farming thread. I’ve seen just as many people saying that the game isn’t ruined and that farming is not what this game is about. So saying a dozen people are ticked off and posting all over the place is a far cry from most people.
The fact is, most people in this game probably just follow the meta events, and farm them. It’s clearly the way that Anet would want you to farm, being that they created an API which makes tracking events more accurate. And people do show up at these events.
Right now, there are people farming southsun. Why? Because there’s a 200% magic fine buff you can get for free that lasts 23 hours.
Anet doesn’t necessarily want people to farm Orr however. Orr is supposed to be a really tough end game zone and when people stay there running one route, it trivialized Orr completely.
New players get there and there’s just bedlam. You’re not a hero any more fighting through the hardest zone in the game. You’re a number trying to tag at target before it goes away so that you might get a drop from it.
If you think this is the way Anet wanted the game to go, I’m not sure what to say to you.
so like i said before, are you expecting the chest to give you stack of t6 instantly?
collecting t6 itself take months and if u prefer to do it slow way, dont ask me to follow you. now who said that farming isnt legit. if they dont want any farming to happen, why bother spawning monsters in non event area. most people will surely do what rewards them the most. its like you want us to less profit.
if you wanna wait 1 hour for jormag to appear, let me use that 1 hour to farm and i can do jormag when it spawns
prices right now on most things are lower than they should be.
Based on what?
based on what the price was before Lyssa farm.
yeah and you shud be thankful since it would be easier(since it cost less) for you to buy it from tp. what u’r saying is that you want to buy the materials with higher price.
which is nonsense. Maybe u also want to sell the materials with higher price but you can’t avoid Competition since u’r not the only one who play the game.
Legendary weapons are skins. They offer no stat benefit over exotic. They are something you save up for as you play when you already have full exotic and ascended gear.
Key phrase being “save up for as you play”. Not to be confused with playing for the sole purpose of acquiring as many of these mats as quickly as possible.
And if all you have left to do is save up the mats to get the skin, well then what happens once you have it? A few days of flaunting it and then you’ll be bored of the game with no more goals for you to strive for? Hence ANet wants it to take a lot of time to get’em so that it keeps people playing.
They are something that is suppose to take a long time to get. Obviously people were getting them too quickly (ANet under estimated just how much grinding some people do) and so they took action to make it take longer but only if you actually spend all your game time grinding for the mats. I have no issues with drop rates but at the same time I never grind the same event or same dungeon or same dozen or so mobs for hours.
I spend most of my time in WvW. I even do my dailies there. In fact, just by doing what I always do in WvW, I get my daily done and often the completion comes as a surprise since I’m not simply grinding out the daily. I’m doing what I always do in WvW and actually forget that there is even a daily for me to do.
I will say though that doing dailies on the pve side of things does require you to go out of your way to do it. This is because too often you have to go to specific maps to kill vets or do events there. So unless you are pve’ing there already, you’ll have to go out of your way to do it.
Oh and you get tokens and/or karma for completing the dailies/events/etc. I haven’t been around from the start but have they reduced the amount of tokens/karma you get for completion? If you keep doing events, is there a reduction on the amount of karma you’ll get? Doesn’t that mean if you do the same even or same series of events, you get 0 karma for completing it? I’ve yet to see a diminishing return on karma (in WvW pretty much everything you do will earn you karma and you are doing the same things over and over).
Oh so i will get bored after i got my first legendary?
Wonder why theres “Eternity”
Wonder why im still farming to get my second legendary
Wonder why theres an achievement to get 5 legendary
Wonder why people still farm after doing events
Umm, the only one that requires mats are the ascended accessories and even then there is an alternate way of getting them that doesn’t require mats and once they put in the WvW vendor, that too should be yet another way that doesn’t involve materials.
Oh Right!!!! but why does legendary require 8 stacks of t6???
i wonder how do people make gifts of magic and Might..
This is not a rant. What I wanna know is what does anet want the players to do now that they’re removing all sources of solid income and pushing drop rates to the limits?
They gave you other sources of loot, that make farming unnecessary.
Indulge me.
What loot are you going for?
Armor:
Run dungeons for the tokens (not the loot drops) and use the tokens to buy armor that covers most (if not all) prefixes.
Do WvW for the badges for armor sets. This I know doesn’t cover all prefixes as there is no Magi (Healing Power, Precision, Vitality) armor that can be bought with badges.
Complete those temple events in Orr instead of farming the mobs. You will earn karma by completing them and the Karma vendors offer armor sets. Keep in mind that it will require you to go to different ones in order to get a set that covers the same prefix (buffs the same three stats). But they all share the same skins so they’re meant to be mixed and matched.
Weapons:
Dungeons and WvW, same as above.
Trinkets:
The ascended trinkets will cost you laurels. Sure there are the accessories that require ecto (which only requires 80 I think for the pair) but you can also get ascended accessories with just 5 gold and guild accommodations. I also heard that they are putting a vendor in WvW.
I’ve never done fractals so I don’t know what the deal is there.
Don’t forget T6 Guys ._.
where can you get t6 easily without farming???
please enlighten me
Killing monsters, again you can only enjoy the game if play the way the game wants you too. Thanks for validating my point. Some people like killing creatures for loot, I did in wow for crafting and epics. I also did it in Guild Wars along with chest runs on my warrior and I found that very fun. If you could please tell me what there selling point was, since you seem to know why and how they want you play the game.
What you describe is known as grinding.
One of the main GW2 selling points was that there would be no grinding requirement. As in, grinding won’t get you as much stuff as regular gameplay. Or as in, you can avoid grinding completely to fully enjoy the game.
If you want to kill creatures for loot, you can do events. Some of them have a nice chest at the end. Do you expect to just kill a bunch of boars and receive tons of loot for that? kitten that WoW nonsense.
You can grind if you like, just don’t expect it to be as rewarding as the other stuff. That’s a good game design.
Oh why did they introduce legendary then, that requires 8 stacks of t6 Mats (can you get that from wvw or events easily?). Well grinding, which leads to getting legendary is enjoyable for me. if you want people to just do events that only gives rares, then where can we get the t6 mats from? or are you suggesting that the chest can give us a whole stack of t6?
2. Did I say that you should get a legendary in a day? No. Stop exaggerating.
What is your definition of long term? A year? Two years? Five? I’ve been playing since release, have probably somewhere around 1600 hours in, and have 220g in liquid assets and if I sold everything else I’d probably have around 1500g, still not enough to get a legendary (and I can guarantee you that I’m not the majority of the players).
1500 is pretty friggin close. I’ve been playing it a lot, but I could probably never go for a legendary, because there will always be a new pet in the store that I want, or some other item that looks cool, so I’ll just spend it. Other that that I did manage to get cultural tier 3 and can make around 2 to 8G a day (depending on how long I want to play), meaning that getting a legendary at my best would take me only over 200 days or so if I put my mind on it.
it’s like ur insisting that we should follow your play style. if we can make more like 20g+ a day, WHY NOT? getting more 20g+ is my personal daily target and it keeps me active. if you’re satisfied with only getting 2-8g per day then good for you! Again, people have their own goal and you cant seriously force them follow you. Its democracy, not autocracy. you also need to be aware that “Stats” and “Loots” play a big role is setting the TP price. If the Look is terrible and it have stats that people dont usually use, then why bother selling it with higher price? maybe it explains why some exotics are less than 1G
oh, but wouldnt it be great if its like that? nowdays, you just gotta be active finding the best way to farm gold bro. why choose the hard way when you can do the easy way? you like being tortured?
because easy is boring. Why would I want to play the game if it would bore me? Also you do realize that the economy would adapt, prices would fall and you would get the same amount of money for doing less than you are doing right now if these kind of spots were never there? I remember T6 blood being 50 silver. Now it’s barely at 20 and was steadily falling. Which means that you need to get 2X the amount of T6 blood to make the same profit. That makes things with fixed prices seem expensive and really screws the economy around.
Wonder why people still want to farm there if it’s boring….
well you see, you farm lyssa for the rares, and globs right?
sell those at tp and you make golds, then how do you buy t6 mats if theres none at tp?
you shud be thankful since we’re fullfilling everyone’s demand of t6 mats.
Oh price is falling? there’s this term called depriciation in real life and it also works in in-game economy. deal with it.
oh?? so i guess those who are getting their armor , weaps, or accs arent farmers right? including you! isn’t completing event a form of farming?
you’re once again are being pedantic now about the description of farming. Driving to work every day is farming. Playing trough a game more than once is farming. However when we talk about farming we normally mean doing the same thing many times in a short time window.
Example: you’re not really farming if you run a few dungeon paths every day. You are however farming when you decide to run the same paths 20 times in the same day.
Oh then whats your goal in completing lyssa? Bragging rights?
Well.. Yeah???? its muuuuuch more better than doing lyssa hahah and knowing that the percursor just wont appear
so you don’t want to work for your rewards (because 20 silver is not worth it for you) and you just want to stand on one spot AoEing everything to death? Do you really think that a game should reward you more for doing far less?
oh, but wouldnt it be great if its like that? nowdays, you just gotta be active finding the best way to farm gold bro. why choose the hard way when you can do the easy way? you like being tortured?
oh give me a break…that is such a lame excuse. You’ve obviously never been to this event or to the place that was being farmed because you could easily get a group and do the event if you wanted
…or are you trying to say you could do the event by yourself?
Because that’s exactly what you will be attempting now unless you bring a group..because malchor’s leap was empty before the farming started and will be again afterwards.
1. Malchor’s leap was never empty. Lyssa was being done all the time, because Lyssa is easy. The temple that never gets done is Baltazar.
2. I do do the event and make sure that the farmers leave. You get so much hate for it though. I can see how it could scare away new players.
answers:
1. why does the majority are choosing to farm rather than doing lyssa as they first come to lyssa before you begin to do your daily work? its because farming is easier and you choose the hard way
2. oh right? actually new players tend to learn from experienced players. We usually tell them what to do and they usually follow as they would know that it would be best for them too. how can it even scare new players?
Definition: “High Chance” – (org: Guild Wars 2.) Having a shot in the dark chance of getting something (you won’t.) while fighting a constant stream of nerfs to anything that could possibly be fun or worth your time.
Synonyms:
Where’s my kittening loot?
This wasn’t worth the teleport.
kittenty greens again?!
Oh look, the same person who got a Precursor a week ago got another one.
When the kitten is Wildstar coming out?
so guaranteed 20 silver and a chance on an exotic/ precursor just isn’t worth the teleport cost, just because? Having in mind that Wildstar is being published by the same company and we really don’t know their policies about farming I doubt that farmers are actually asking that.
Well.. Yeah???? its muuuuuch more better than doing lyssa hahah and knowing that the percursor just wont appear
So, you’re trying to make a point that you got one of the easiest legendaries in the game? Then your point becomes that much weaker.
If you tried telling us that you acquired The Dreamer, Twilight, Incinerator, or Bolt…one of the legendaries where the buyout on the TP is 500-600+, then thats a different story and Id call BS on you not farming it(or being one of the few lucky ones).
So sure I can go and buy three or four aquatic precursors if I truely wanted. But not many people place high value on them. So when you come here and justify your point of “I dont grind” with the fact that you acquired the easiest legendary in the game, I consider your words very light and without weight. Yes, the gifts might have taken sometime but like you said you can play the game at your pace for those.
Lots of people farm certain events for T6 drops.
Then people farm the chest events for rares for ectos AND precursors.
Its the farm and the grind for the precursor and the ecto requirement that people are finding most tedious.
You bought yours for a mere 22 gold. Big whoop.
If I went to the TP now, bought my aquatic precursor for under 50g..I would have my legendary in a month or so.
You’re missing the point. He’s not saying “I got a Legendary, so can you.” He’s saying “I enjoyed the game without grinding for a Legendary, so can you.” If the only thing standing between you and the ability to enjoy this game is owning a Legendary, then ownership of a Legendary isn’t going to change much for you.
Yep that’s exactly my point. Once I got the legendary I stopped caring about it. While I was saving up for it, it gave me something to do…now…shrugs. I’m just having fun playing.
Oh so i guess ur point of view depends on ur goal right?
well i got my twillight, but i still want to farm and get golds as much as i can?
is that a problem for you? i find it enjoyable for me :P
Isn’t change in amount of loot also called a “change”? hahah
seriouslys bots cant even farm there. he’ll get pushed over by the legde and die instantly. even if the the bot fall into the water, do you expect the bot to come to the place again (through the long stairs) and not die? simply its a BS reason to nerf the farm cause of bots.
Wow seriously this person..
its okay if you want to complete lyssa
we can just go to another server
or you can be nice and do lyssa on another server
you’re being selfish by forcing the majority (most of the time) to complete lyssa dude
it’s not that you own the map people who wanna farm are players tooWE ALL SHARE THE SADNESS OF BEING BULLIED BY YOU DUDE(FYI)
and you say what are the events for? kidding me?
go complete balthazar! people need those more than lyssa (FYI)
then go and farm something that doesn’t break a game mechanic. Nobody will be angry at you in frostgorge if you’ll just kill mobs. Stand in the middle of orr and farm undead as much as you want, run the never ending event chain and farm karma and loot like that, but for goodness sakes stop stopping the events from being completed because you want phat lootz. It’s interfering with other players.
Well like i said, majority of people (most of the time) there wants to do the farm and only some (most of the time) wants to complete the event. For goodness SAKE, you’re the one who interferes with what the majority wants to do with the event. you can’t simply tell us to stop farming bro / what to do. who are you? seriously this person havent heard the term effective and efficient in his/her entire life.
nope. I would be lost in statistics. One person doesn’t really matter. Whole players matter. Right now the events are the way that I like them. If majority of the players wanted intense farming we would see massive farming spots.
lolled. lost for words
there are actually massive farming spots and anet fixed all of them
do you need lists of the spots?
also remembering most of my friends quit the game cause of the fixes
and did you read my post properly? Farmers are not the majority in this game.
So certain monsters shouldn’t drop loot? Ah that doesn’t make much sense to me, what would be the point in doing the event then since there is not any good rewards besides from the world bosses? Which is why people usually don’t do majority of events anyways….
Nope. Endless adds however shouldn’t spawn loot, because then people will just repeatedly kill them instead of completing the event. That is exactly what was happening with Lyssa. And if you read the statement of the developer they were not nerfed outside of the Lyssa event. It’s only during the event in that particular spot that you won’t get loot, because the purpose of the adds there is just to make you work for your guaranteed loot at the end of the event chain.
They nerfed Jormag mob loot. They nerfed fotm mob loot (to discourage running the dungeon). They nerfed Lyssa union mob loot. They nerfed shelt/pen by adding horrible vet spiders with no loot. They nerfed plinx loot.
See the trend here? The only loot not nerfed on mobs yet is pretty much Southsun. Every time a good farming event is located it is swarmed by dedicated players, lots of PVE or WVW players trying to make up the money gap between CoF speed run players and TP farmers.
I do remember people not doing Jormag and just focusing on the adds making his fight insanely long and I also remember people just farming the never ending spawn in the icy fractal. Fixes were needed for smoother gameplay. Same can be said about Lyssa.
oh?? so i guess those who are getting their armor , weaps, or accs arent farmers right? including you! isn’t completing event a form of farming?
nope. I would be lost in statistics. One person doesn’t really matter. Whole players matter. Right now the events are the way that I like them. If majority of the players wanted intense farming we would see massive farming spots.
lolled. lost for words
there are actually massive farming spots and anet fixed all of them
do you need lists of the spots?
also remembering most of my friends quit the game cause of the fixes
what you are saying does not apply. if you are keen on doing it, how can you fail? unless you are alone. and if you are alone, you cannot uncontest the temple anyway.
so, meaning that YOU are asking for help, BUT people ignore you because they want to do something else.
I do do that and I have been uncontested temples at offpeak hours with 3 people. Lyssa is kitten easy. But if stopping an event produces such mentality of course I don’t want it being used like that.
And no I don’t ask for help. I just get whispers telling me that they will never help me ever and would like me to be banned and put out of the game.
why do you need it on more then 1 server if you just want karma gears? why are you purposely doing it so that wherever people go you just want to break the cycle?
it looks more like you dont want people doing the event to gain materials because you want to make life difficult for everyone else.
I’m in a big guild and I get people sharing their sadness about getting bullied. You’re trying to defend the bullies.
Wow seriously this person..
its okay if you want to complete lyssa
we can just go to another server
or you can be nice and do lyssa on another server
you’re being selfish by forcing the majority (most of the time) to complete lyssa dude
it’s not that you own the map people who wanna farm are players tooWE ALL SHARE THE SADNESS OF BEING BULLIED BY YOU DUDE(FYI)
and you say what are the events for? kidding me?
go complete balthazar! people need those more than lyssa (FYI)
So here’s one of my suggestion for the future.
maybe Anet can do Achievement point claim in the future like for example maybe if we reached 10k point achievement, we can claim a percursor. since for now, even a person who played for like a week have a chance to get percursor, while the hard working people have hard times looking for them, etc.
