Guild Wars 2

Did you guys ban Justin from commenting on the forums because his responses were too good?

Please respond— he was the hero we deserved.

I came here to post my support

thief is gonna be so boring >.<

zinkz.7045:

JohnnyZero.5619:

Nerfs are generally specifically targeted, you’re a bit mistaken. If longbow rangers get nerfed, that will affect just them, same with turret engis.

That is simply not true, for example I used to play certain engy builds that were lets say a bit ‘borderline’, simply because I enjoyed them, however in their efforts to nerf condi engy they did things like move incendiary powder to master, which weakened my ‘borderline’ build to the point it was no longer even ‘borderline’.

You can’t expect every little build combination that you like to put together to be saved even when there is an overpowered build out there. Anet decides to sacrifice your snowflake build so the thousands of other people using the condi meta build are not as dominant.
Your entire discussion point is that there should be lots and lots of build variety. While that would be nice— people create the current Meta because it works and it works well. If it starts to work too well, it should definitely be knocked down a notch, even at the price of you not having your unique build that you like.

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JohnnyZero.5619:

Nerfs are generally specifically targeted, you’re a bit mistaken. If longbow rangers get nerfed, that will affect just them, same with turret engis. The question is not “if X gets nerfed, what else gets weaker”, it’s “if X gets nerfed, then what becomes more powerful?”

The nature of PvP (and PvE for that matter) means min/maxxing your build to be most effective. Certain classes and weapons are going to excel at certain things, which is why if you want to be competitive, you run a meta build. This phenomenon is not exclusive to GW2, you can see it everywhere from WoW raids to LoL tournaments.

“I dont want to play Meta builds. But how effective can I be with a niche build in SPvP.”

There are plenty of effective builds that aren’t considered meta. How effective are YOU at playing those builds? Are you an asset to your team? Are you getting rolled by the meta builds? If so, then why aren’t you fighting meta with meta? At what point does one stop trying to be a special snowflake and try their best to contribute to the team?

“with the small scale of the PvP battles in SPvP, its impossible to balance out all 9 classes for each other. But currently all balancing in the game is made off of the SPvP model, which has been proven in this genre not to be an effective point of reference for balance.”

No one is trying to balance all 9 (8) classes for each other, PvP is team oriented. Class inequalities will always exist within any game, it’s what makes them unique. And how exactly has sPvP PROVEN not to be an effective balancing point?

Very good points JonnyZero

You make excellent points JonnyZero

even with hotjoins… you can EASILY tell which profession is the daily.

Ranger? Get ready for bearbows everywhere
Engi? Hellloooo turrets.

Its not unbearable but it kills the spirit of pvp in my opinion.

Yeah I drop to about 5-10 frames which I deem to be unplayable.

Calling Mr. Flux, Pvp’s lord and savior.

It happens more often than not in the past two days* and I only notice it in Heart of the mist and in queues. Custom maps, wvw, pve maps don’t happen— but it is on and off so many i’m just getting it at times when i do pvp.

Its not on my computer or internets end because I do speedtests during it and get 300+mbps with <10 ping

I’ve come to the conclusion its the servers. Does anyone else get this?

dragon is not ugly at alll

SYPHA.9283:

I would say it doesn’t effect matchmaking at all. Let the internal MMR pick the matches, inside or outside of the league, keep the point system and everything, but just for the leaderboards, categorize it into these leagues so other people can see it.

^^^
Then it would be pointless to have different leagues.

I don’t want to wait for a certain 100 people to log on so I can queue though… it would take forever if you were locked into a certain amount of people you could even possibly queue with.

I just think it would separate the leaderboards nicely so you can see who has a good ranking AND is a high skill player. Who has a good ranking but Does Not play with high skill players.

Right now the leaderboards do not reflect MMR in any way. A visual-only league system would allow us to see MMR without changing how the leaderboards currently work.

Leaderboards aren’t too important to me either, but its a resource other than relying on who wins the world tournies once a year.

I think its just interesting to see who is winning and by how much. since the scores will reset now, it will be cool to see who is the best and just how active they are.

butch.8136:

What this guy said

I don’t think its a bad idea, but if Anet doesn’t want to do the work or implement a really structured reward system and leagues, my alternative is just a quick improvement to the pretty trashy leaderboards right now.

:)

Laserbolt.6731:

“People look to the leaderboards to see who is the best.”

Best at what, exactly?

Not as simple as it may sound. It’s worth discussing.

I dunno tbh. i just enjoy looking at who has good win ratios. And since its all going to reset occassionally, it will be more up to date and easier to understand who is top tier.

And the leagues makes it so you don’t have to be super esports to feel like you’ve accomplished something on the leaderboards.

Justin ODell.9517:

How would we determine your league? By that, I mean, do we place you in a league based on the MMR at the start of the season? 10 days after the season starts? Or, do we let you move between leagues as your MMR goes up and down throughout the season? Do we let people pick their own league?

(keep in mind i’m just trying to brainstorm ideas, i’m just not fully satisfied with where its at)
I think league would be determined by MMR and be very dynamic throughout the season. Sure 10 days sounds good to lock place leagues—- but if youre internal MMR reaches a point in the matchmaking system you move leagues.
I’m no programmer but MMR being represented as a number is an underlying assumption. If you can use that as a built in way of places people in leagues based on where they are at, then I like it.
Picking leagues is interesting.. but i have a feeling some good people would farm the lesser to be #1.

Lets say MMR is a number from -3 to 3. 3 being the best -3 being the worst. From 1-3 you would be in gold league, 0-1 silver, and the bottom 50% (-3-0) in bronze. I’m assuming MMR is also on a standard bell curve 0 is mean and mode, 1 being standard deviation. meaning the top 16% are in gold, top 34% in silver and the rest is bronze (bottom 50%).

Justin ODell.9517:

What sort of implications does this have for matchmaking? Do we only let people fight others in their league? If yes, this could cause long queue times, especially in the upper leagues. If we let people fight players from any league does the current odds of victory point handicapping still fit?

I would say it doesn’t effect matchmaking at all. Let the internal MMR pick the matches, inside or outside of the league, keep the point system and everything, but just for the leaderboards, categorize it into these leagues so other people can see it.

Justin ODell.9517:

How does this affect rewards? If we rewarded the top 150 players, do we now only reward the top 50 in each league? If we split rewards by league, doesn’t that imply locking people into a league at the start?

Maybe for the last week you can lock the leagues, and have people fight it out for the rewards in each league. I don’t really have the rewards in mind when I think of things since its new and hasn’t happened before.

TLDR: Put people into leagues based on the system’s internal MMR, don’t lock them until maybe the week or so before, and just have the Leaderboards show which league people are in, to differentiate skill level in the new point accumulation system.

Maybe it could highlight players based on their MMR rankings. Keep the overall, but have a gold, silver, bronze highlighted bar across their names.

The ranking brackets don’t have to be the same size anyways. top 500 in high ranking, and everyone else…

I think the leaderboards are really useless right now— heres why:

Players play ranked matches based on their MMR. They encounter players close to their skill level based on their previous games and like Justin said before, with the balance in MMR, everyone’s win/loss ratio should be close to .5.

The leaderboards, however, do NOT take the MMR differences into account. The rank 1 person could just be a “not as skilled” player winning their matches in the lower skill portion of MMR and just reaping game after game of wins enough to gather points to be rank 1, but not get into the higher MMRs.

I think (and a lot of games have this) there should be leagues, Gold, silver, bronze, 1,2,3 whatever to show the differences in MMR between players.

This is all just coming from the idea that people playing a lot of games in the lower skill divisions SHOULDN’T be on top of the leaderboards. People look to the leaderboards to see who is the best. If i encounter the rank 1 with my super esports tryhard 4 bunker team and crush them, I think something is wrong with the system.
People wan’t to see whos the best, not just the best at farming the system to get points.
The rank 1 has less than a 50% win ratio, but has almost double the points of the 88-2 4th place. The skill to time played ratio needs to be adjusted.

With this system nobody is going to give a kitten who’s ranked 1— everyone will just be looking at the best win/loss ratio with a decent amount of games.

Its basically pointless now and just something you have to farm if you really care about it.

In my opinion, the leaderboards should still be separate into Solo and Teams and look at your win rate for the past 100 games you’ve played. Or a set amount of time above a certain amount of games (past 2 weeks but you need over 20 games). Something more polished.

This is like starcraft 2 leaderboards. You just have to play a lot of games and keep getting more points than the people above you.

Why do we see people who aren’t in our Party’s targets? Trolls spam it every 5 minutes and you can’t talk to your team. End it please.

oh thats helpful. I’ll spread the word ty

edit: you can’t even change amulets/runes/sigils when you’re in a game? at any time? you have to leave the server…

what..? how are you supposed to promote build diversity. or even KNOW which one’s you have on? I hope this is a bug

Can we bring it back? Why was it removed.

I’d like to look at my builds and change it before i go into a hotjoin.

Or spectate midway through and change builds instead of leaving to Hotm or standing in the middle of a game.

I don’t see a real reason why this would get removed.

I’m getting it a lot.

You have to turn off the party tab in your chat— but if you ARE in a party, you can’t read your party messages. Its really annoying

boycott using any gems or anything from the gem store. we can live without it guys.

this was a BIG messup ANet

I’d love to see an answer on this. Moved to university same time as the lagg and thought it was that.. and who knows if they throttle it— being with so many people, or what the deal is, but no roomates have lagg and my xbox games don’t lagg at all.

The rubberbanding is SOO real and makes this game unplayable. Especially since all I do is pvp.

and dont tell me to just focus on my classes for the next 7 months

Isle of Janthir and Borlis pass and Crystal Desert were in world vs world for this round and the “build” a few minutes ago…

Switched IOJ’s color to red (previously green) which was BP’s color. Gave us all of their land. Their points. Their everything. Kicked BP out of our matchup and replaced them with Henge of Denravi. And gave Crystal Desert our green color and our current first place points.

What. WvW got messseddd up.