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No but seriously, if this thread isn’t a troll you should probably start to find a way out of that delusional bubble and watch how necro actually fares against non-bad people.

How hard is it to understand that condi thief is bad for the game not because it’s the best build, but because its design is absolutely, definitely, in every way one of the stupidest things to come to this game, on par with old turret engi. It just looks like a thing created to make new players that come into pvp quit the game. It’s silly.

They could make stealth like the starcraft stealth also were a faint glimmer is visible, but still hard to see. That would provide counterplay.

Cheers! /whinechars

Well I just think that fundamentally it doesn’t make much sense for a class that doesn’t scale with number not to have the tools to properly 1v1, and by that I mean a more reliable way to deal with immobilize (the ranger passive root is pretty much single handedly causing the downfall of necro in duels), stability, projectile hate or purely damage avoidance, you got to have one of these, if you’re not gonna go with more mobility.
With that said @steelheart, there were times where necros were actually good at 1v1ing, for instance, the pre HoT signet cele necro was an excellent duellist. It would fall a bit short against condition builds but the passive transfer signet would do its work (not good design btw) and you were then able to 1v1 the grand majority of the builds available.

Rickster.8752:

They are better on the basis of learning match ups not mechanical skill. They know to do a certain rotation in each duel because they know all the damage modifiers and how those duels play out. They go sit on mine for hours at a time and learn how to play that ranger vs warrior match up. And they know all the traits and skills of other classes.

So it is knowledge and not skill. Knowledge anyone can learn if they are prepared to put the time in. Talent would be things like skill shots, crazy peels, twitch heals/interrupts in team fights. Those do not exist in gw2. And if they did then the top players would possibly not be the top players.

Are you kidding me? Skillful plays do not exist in high level pvp games? twitch interrupts never happen? What about kiting using the environment, is that not skill? Like did you ever properly watch a high level player play? Your statement is just plain false.

Well the system is fairly simple you play against high ranked players and win, you win big. Still I don’t think placement matches should take your further than gold I. Getting higher on “placement” is ridiculous.
This was taken yesterday after doing placement matches on my alt (which I played extensively before, a year ago).
edit: I am just posting this as I find this utterly crazy that placement matches could put you into one of the last divisions, so to speak.

Yeah no, I don’t think Anet has any intention of getting rid of bad players, that’s a lil’ bit excessive buddy.

I think it’d be better to express why you think of each map that it is or isn’t competitive in the first place.

So i didn’t really know where to put this but with the improvements to skyhammer (and oh boy is it enjoyable), it would be nice to see this adressed before it ever makes its way to ranked, IF it ever does (and i honestly wouldn’t have problem with it as it is now).
Basically there’s a spot (maybe several) where teleports/shadowsteps can get you stuck inside textures.

I was standing on point C and my worm was somewhere on the opposite side of the rock area separating C from the middle, when i pressed teleport i immediately ended up inside the wall.

So, there you go, people of Anet.

Settler druid was a boring bunker spec and was terrible for the pace of pvp, that might be why.

why not?
/15ifyoudontplaymetaitsyourowngodkitten choice

tbf even cele necro cannot get past the 90% reliably, if the ele is trying he’ll have no trouble healing that tiny bit of health (you can’t even dagger auto past it to be fair), plus with protection you hit like a fried noodle anyway.

LastHope.8127:

would be fair if other classes would have acces to chill does damage too.

wow, unbelievably good logic here. hey why don’t we also give necros invulns, cause that would only be fair. but Then we could give death shroud to thieves cause reasons and then…

choovanski.5462:

engineer hammer has less cc than rifle, & thats the only part of scrapper anyone sensible is using anyway.

that and the gyro elite, it’s used quite a bit to secure resses. Nice utility.

Agreed, playing vanilla necro at a decent level is just infuriating outside of duels atm

help i’m stuck in a match with LEETO. get me out! plz! thanks.
edit: us. get US out. let’s not be shelfish.

azyume.6321:

Regarding reaper, is good on group fights, but not so much on 1v1 due the fact the skills are within melee range only. My core power necro still beats reaper on 1v1 on my experience so far. Perhaps in the future when the specialization is more refined, reaper might have a better chance against the odds.

trust me on this, condi reaper is also good at duelling. It actually has an easier time than base necro on a lot of matchups because: stability, and the possibility to actually put a bit of distance between you and a melee fighter if need be. solves a ton of problems. makes fighting warriors, mesmers with mantra, rangers a LOT easier. Not saying celenecro is bad now. but it offers a lot less possibilities of counterplay once people get coordinated. Now i think the issue might be that a little rework on base professions could be of use. I’d love that.

sigh. so first off, chronomancers right now are one of the best designed elite specs, they are far from underpowered and not that over the top, you guys are comparing things from a silly 1v1 point of view. no, chrono in pvp shouldn’t win to for example condi reaper, it’s stupid. that point doesn’t make any sense, you’ve gotta think about the utilities mesmer provides, the added mobility, stealth if the mes has stealth, so on, their role is not to lolduel people if they’re playing marauder. it’s to +1 the fights in a rapid and violent way, like thieves (doesn’t prevent you from duelling when you have the chance). You’ve got to get out of the mindset that you should be able to duel about everything with any build on any class.

well reaper is an upgrade to necromancer, no doubt about that, after Qing on vanilla cele necro for a day after these last few on reaper there’s no doubt the difference is huge, mainly because you can actually accomplish stuff without being stunlocked once people start getting coordinated, and the new possibilities actually raise the skill ceiling.

I’m not complaining about traps but i wanted to correct this: if you activate the bladed prison trap, porting out will result in you taking the damage once, that still hurts.

WvW? can you unlock hero points in wvw if you did all the ones in the old borderland? pve is nice and all but if i can unlock my spec while pvp ing i’ll take it.

Khezekiah Bellamy.5016:

Josh Davis.6015:

+1. Pls.

That wasn’t 15 characters, does the Signature count toward the character minimum limit, or do arenanet account not suffer from this character limit?

there’s a trick :p

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Obindo.6802:

I have many thousand in blocklist. 1 hour queue time yay

Oh yeah you’re the person that blocked me for playing cele necro :p are you trying to achieve the biggest block list EU?

Also Pimsley, i want to hug you for being such a kind person on the forums. Anyway i was mostly talking from a condition reaper built around chill’s perspective, as it is possible to get the scrapper fairly low but not down him in time, you just get outhealed even while running the chill damage trait (not complaining so far only scrapper gave me trouble). This might just be the fact that the main damaging condition in this case, chill, was getting instantly cleansed, i didn’t have the occasion to test standard necro against scrappers but it might be something else (curse me for sticking to one build during beta right :p).

Krysard.1364:

http://www.twitch.tv/leet0

Best family friendly, pro new player stream you can find out there. word.

Problem with them is the fact they pretty much hard counter every condition build, they won’t die to any condibuilds unless making blatant mistakes, it would be fine if all of this was ruled by actives but it turns out most of this comes from the passive reduction from hoelbrak and that one stacking scrapper trait that reduces condition duration by 20%.

(well that’s my experience i guess, maybe if you went all out on condi duration things would change.)

While the idea isn’t bad and could actually be a nice addition to the long waiting time in the mists a simple thing to do if you wanna know your skills is to pop the transform and link the skills in chat by pressing maj and clicking the skills. That’s how i learned.

Stuck aswell, unstuck, pretty please. thanks for the extra work you’re doing :p

Only if necros can summon Lupicus. Surely that would fit since we’re in the mists, right _

Phoebe seems pretty solid.
Vingador Masterclass Tho.

yep noticed, honestly it should be like this with base shroud, the plays possible with it are really nice. loving it.

Come on, only eight more people to go!

hmm you say gg before the very end of a match to forfeit this particular match, (say, you’re three capped and the ennemy’s points are over 400) i do not see what’s wrong with it, why would you need to go dramatic over that? besides, if you wanna praise your opponent you can always use the traditionnal “wp”, works wonders i swear.

LughLongArm.5460:

Eurantien.4632:

I’m gonna get hate for saying this… but MAYBE gs s/a melee ranger. I don’t think it should work and would laugh at anyone who says it would… but it seems to work.

Well, pre-patch I remember a d/d celec Ele telling me that axe warrior is very hard for him. I tihnk its the same logic with the new melee ranger, he can spike high and fast and out damage the sustain of D/D eles. Glad its working

Yeah this still works, but these aren’t the most common, to say the least.

Eurantien.4632:

I’m gonna get hate for saying this… but MAYBE gs s/a melee ranger. I don’t think it should work and would laugh at anyone who says it would… but it seems to work.

Fresh ideas. Me like.

well, because they judged these amulets would be imbalanced, or they didn’t take time to think about how to implement them in pvp.

Ezra.5049:

Gizmorage.6412:

Ezra.5049:

Will the new specializations during the beta weekend be allowed in this tourny?

Yep they will!

That sucks for me because I didn’t pre purchase HoT…

you can already assume every person playing a spec will get subpar results just because they’re discovering everything, there will be other betas!

Ezra.5049:

Will the new specializations during the beta weekend be allowed in this tourny?

Yep they will!

Velimere.7685:

Gizmorage.6412:

And once again, celestial necro is NOT a hardcounter to cele ele, and especially fighting on a point. You can’t judge something out of ONE duel. i’ve killed celestial elementalists in a matter of seconds (yes really), cause they just messed up their water attunment, misplays exist, even at top tier.

Got any of these encounters of yours “at top tier” on record for us to view? Or is this strictly an anecdotal rebuttal that holds no actual weight?

what’s that? is that the sound of someone having no other argument than one recorded duel on twitch to hold on? i can hear it buzzing.

And yes, some of them were recorded on forsaker’s twitch for example. What is there to prove anyway do you really think top tier players make no mistake? my point is, you can’t use ONE sample to judge everything. that’s just silly.

There’s also the example of two weeks ago’s go4 where nos was fighting an ele for around 3 minutes and never seemed to get him past half health. you can look it up, it was on foefire’s middle node.

Zoso.8279:

So you’d rather everyone run around playing rock/paper/scissor but necros scissor is green and mesmers purple? No thanks man.

He just said the exact opposite thing @@ hardcounters are the definition of rock paper scissor, your post makes no sense.

And once again, celestial necro is NOT a hardcounter to cele ele, and especially fighting on a point. You can’t judge something out of ONE duel. i’ve killed celestial elementalists in a matter of seconds (yes really), cause they just messed up their water attunment, misplays exist, even at top tier.

So, this is the chinese version of our cherished cough bone minions. i think i prefer their version. At least they admit they’re some kind of risen rats.

Hi,
Well, to begin with, if you’re winning 1vXs on a regular basis i would say your MMR is average to low, that will climb up over time (then again the matchmaking system is unreliable :p), It is also pretty normal to get instablasted by getting jumped by both thief and mesmer at the moment, you’ll get used to it. Keep playing, you’ll see the tendency to 1vXs will decrease. Unranked will actually match you with a wide variety of players, if you want to play with people closer to your estimated skill level just play ranked. Costs nothing and has no consequences at the moment other than attracting nervous people that will flame anybody not going their way . So, there it is, good luck!

haha it’s alright :p

and i meant active defense, as in: invuln traits are copies of actual skills, like signet of stone.

JaeleCt.3967:

invuln’s and auto proc’s are cheap defensive tool’s promoting passive gameplay with no risk and no counterplay.
I think this should be fixed and it’s simple to do:
Delete auto proc’s from the game, and make invulnerable’s strippable. that way warriors, rangers, guardians, necro’s, and engineers (did i miss any?) wont be allowed to sit comfortably on points waiting for cooldowns in the middle of a fight, instead he/she would have to carefully watch for oppenings and dodge correctly, rewarding good positioning and smart moves.

I can kittenpost and act like a complete scrub too.

Wait Necros got active defense? oh boy i must have missed that one patchnote where we got invuln, sweet! Man i can’t wait to try it out. cyu in pvp, scrubs.

Is it that hard to use smartcast if the double clicking is bothering you so much? it won’t take more time than it used to i promise.

wat.
/15brains

yah i would have suggested reducing the silly stacking going on aswell, mainly because abilities that stack one burn, like dhuumfire, are sortof bad at the moment, there’s definitely a problem when you see cele eles doing 1.7k burning damage to you and yet be able to 6k firegrab your butt if they manage yo catch you :p (i’d be fine with the latter if it wasn’t for the condi damage)

Sounds like your problem is more with burning that anything else, and it’s agreed by the majority that burning damage is broken at the moment, with the “new and improved” stacking system, that will get fixed in time.