Guild Wars 2

Agree with Darknicrofia:

My favorite moment: When Tarcis 1v2ed Olrun and Jeff from Never Lucky and yet still not get qualify. This 1v2 is the most clear moment for viewers to see the outplays and how can mechanic skill make huge difference between players.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMtMMuVOn5A

Just watched the vod from yesterday’s NA pro league. It is pathetic by watching Spooky, PZ, Final Form, and Never Lucky running the exact same comp.

Also watched the EU one, nearly all the matches end by time up (15 minutes) and both teams wasn’t even close to 500 points.

RIP to this game, when you see bad players that almost take a game from Abjured and defeated Apex, you know something is wrong.

#ANetPlsDoSomething.

Krysard.1364:

Anastasis.7258:

In fact life force needs a nerf, then you can have a starting life force.

and also, comparing adrenaline to life force is super dumb. Life force gives you extra million sustain and extra 5 skills for you to spam while adrenaline only just provide you one skill to use and its thousand times harder to gain compare to life force now.

Life force tankiness needs to be nerf, life force regeneration needs to be nerf, then, we will talk about starting with certain percentage of life force.

So, you agree that LF is better than adrenaline, that was my point. Also, I agree about an ooc 20% LF, so you can avoid playing against a 0/100 LF necro, which can make a huge difference

This is a really good suggestion on balancing nerco/reapers. When they out of combat, always reset the life force to 20%. This will avoid so many OP part of Nerco/Reaper.

Also, their spectral armor needs to be nerfed from 8% life force to 5%. and other bugs such as warhorn #5 dagger #1 gaining life force from Khylo’s structures/building/clock tower point.

Too bad, with such a good suggestion, we will never see this happen because Anet Devs barely listen to us anymore, they only listen to some high level WTS pvp team.

Sabre.8627:

Krysard.1364:

Sabre.8627:

and they are not limited by adrenaline in any way.

You got it, thats why LF is an “improved” adrenaline when refilled, cause necros are limited by it

Yes, are we just pointing out the obvious at this point? I’m confused at to what your point is and where you stand regarding the thread.
Necro and warrior both start with 0% of their resource mechanic. The difference is that necro relies much more heavily on this resource than a warrior, and starting a match with 0% locks away a huge chunk of their class and builds. Warrior doesn’t suffer from this.

You are so wrong, please stop.
Warrior relies on adrenaline way harder than you think, and that’s the reason why warrior is in trash-tier now because the adrenaline mechanic is really freaking bad.

Nerco relies much more heavily on this resource? wrong, and the fact nerco’s life force mechanic is 100000x better than warrior’s adrenaline mechanic.

Impact.2780:

Necro:
- if playing damage:
—- does not have mobility to go with its damage making it an ineffective roamer, thus it lacks versatility in its role, and its class mechanic shuts it off from healing support
- if playing tanky:
—- does not offer support and therefore recursive support in team fights (which is a huge loss, and is why cele engi replaced cele/soldier warrior a few metas back and took on a similar role)
—- has a class mechanic which shuts itself off from allied healing while active (latter can be worked around in a coordinated team but still an obstacle)
—- does not have a safe stomp unless it gives up another large part of what makes the builds work

This is why it’s not taken in place of a tanky team fighter like a warrior, engi, or ele, but instead of one of the squishy members. In this new meta, all it brings is some cc – which engi can now do as scrapper – tankiness – while other classes have become stronger at supporting meaning said tankiness is not needed – more chill – while the previously referred to “other classes” have also aquired greater condition cleansing – and strong cleave – which is slow to cast such that a black poweder or any blinding field could mitigate.

In short, the buffs to necro are, in light of the buffs to other classes, redundant, and ineffective compared to having a different class on your team in their place.

TLDR; Not OP.

This is a perfect example of how people can’t see the problem of necro, they just list anything that looks not great but in fact you all forget one thing. “Chill”

Chill is the killer of everything in this game, and on top of boon rip, Chill becomes unstoppable, that’s the reason why nerco can shut down someone easily just because of Chill + boon rip.

you can’t TLDR nerco not op by listing these, everything you need to look at is in actual game instead of imagination. But what you were saying is sort of true, which is why I’m saying nerco is the hidden OP class that people just cant understand why it is so broken.

and, nerco is the tankiest dps in this game, that’s an unarguable truth.

I have been reading forum post since from the June patch and the sad part is that no one ever mention about how strong/broken a necro can be. It always got over-shined by other op meta such as DD Ele, shoutbow warrior before this patch and in result people ignored it, and now its dragonhunter and chronometer.

Here is the problem I see, so even if nerco is the truly hidden op/broken class in this game but just the fact no one plays it on EU, is it means Anet will never tone them down? The answer is yes.

The reason why I think this needs to get people and devs’ attention is because that you really need to nerf nerco just because of how strong it is since the June patch. How easy and how effective it can be and how tanky it is and how fast to generate their DS.

Nerco requires an unique play style that most people who already played other classes will not fit the style. Once when people figure the unique playstyle hidden in the background, people will start abusing it.

The broken part about necro is they can do a “beyond” berserker-like damage while be “beyond” tanky bunker-like style. The combination of boon-rip and chills will guarantee to land a kill in team fight with only a little effort. The unblockable skills such as marks with 1200 range that will guarantee the on-point pressure with small efforts. The fact how easy it can lock-down a target with only 1 or 2 skills and while being super tanky needs to be adjust by balance team from A-net.

I don’t hate nerco, but I’m worried about this game’s future if people still cant see how strong nerco is, and right now with reaper, their tankiness has been upgraded and so as their chill and their damage and mobility. They can generate about 10k DS within 3 second without using any skills in team fights.

Let’s talk about other op classes, but meanwhile, please don’t forget the truly OP class that always hide behind the scene and never receive any nerf instead of massive buffs.

Welcome people to discuss with me, and hopefully I can see some of you are seeing the same problem as I’m.

ps. Chill condition is also too strong in this game, a balance to this condition might also be good for the game.

nearlight.3064:

Gmtsai.6349:

I believe that Abjured changed their comp after they lost WTS 2 to ORnG. They found out something’s broken, they change their classes. Simple fact. The reason why they are playing double DD Eles again is because of this new patch. And everyone including themselves know that DD Ele / Nerco / Engi is broken.

Well to be fair, double ele has been extremely common in NA ESL’s, in fact the onlyteam that the abjured came even close to losing a map against (but didn’t) was Mime’s team, which ran both double pre-nerf mantra mesmer and double elementalist, yet they still won despite that team having a more brokenly OP comp at the time.

I don’t know wakkey as much, but phantaram has a ton of experience playing elementalist and is considered to be among the best in the game, it’d be strange for him not to play it. Granted in their prepatch comp they didn’t run an ele at all because shoutbow was overall better support at the time and medi-guard had overall more surivability. Now look at the trait changes, medi guard isn’t as good as it was before, and shoutbow was gutted aside from that odd settler’s build that lypion used. Yes they could have gone bunker guard and rampage warrior instead, but ele being indirectly buffed by being able to take fire seemed like a better choice.

And I also disagree that necro and engi are broken. I think necromancer is balanced in its current state, but lacks build diversity becuase you need to go cele or soldiers to stay alive as well builds and condi builds fold to focus fire too easily. And engi I’d argue as underpowered, because condis were buffed while engi still has weak cleanse, and traitline changes and power creep made cele suck for engi, so you either have to be a tanky CC support soldiers build, or go burst engi and hope mesmer/thief doesn’t look at you.

Also, as a necro main who knows the potential, and limitations of the class, its furstrating to see so many people hate on Nos, when all he’s doing is being the best player in the world at the class he mains..

That’s why I was saying that this game is sad because the balance team decides champion team in the game.

If this year, balance team decide to nerf ele and buff warrior, ROM will be unstoppable while phantaram just a mediocre player that plays hes own class at the high level.

with such an International Tournament, we only see 6k viewers. Such esports.

Look at LoL or Dota, some random player’s stream has more viewers than us.

Is it a hard question? 2 DD Eles are the MVP obviously…

online.1278:

Gmtsai.6349:

online.1278:

Shoutbow can still be visible. use this, but don’t expect that much damage but full support & bunker with some damage from condition (but it does much more dmg than guardian bunker). Well you can kill people though, but it takes long time to kill.

Since we lost reckless dodge, so no celestial amulet. power is not in need but we need more tanky bunky settler amulet :
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tOoHWBPY6kmYj4dlW6x0PwGfExKpBc1vAI4ZyT4LEic/edit

Video play available at (Search for Shout King) :
http://www.twitch.tv/the_korean_gamer/profile

Many people says that shout heal nerf and warhorn doesn’t convert condition into boons made people quit shoutbow. but in fact,

Shout heal amout is actually increased because of frequency of shout has been buffed (from 3 shouts to 5 shouts). And also, instead of converting, but it removes more conditions from allies since buffed shout frequency (I wouldn’t say this could be rational compensate for warhorn nerf though)

Not sure of decent hambow build in these days. but I guess currently incoming random blindness is like hell so I guess this shoutbow build will work better than any hambow build right now unless anet fixes that.

Warrior is kinda at lowest position, and i also found that rampage got nerfed today haha…

Dude you need to stop trying… We know shoutbow and hambow was invented by Tarcis. Stop advertising yourself and your friends.

This build can be made by him as well anytime after 2014 of feb the date that me and mercy invented this and hit top end of leaderboard, and he saw us using shoutbow a bunch of times while he used hambow becuz soloq system always matched us to him cuz its mmr base.

As long as I saw him last year February when I invented Shoutbow with Mercy, I didn’t see him using Shoutbow at all but was zerker stance hambow warrior while I used Shoutbow. After we invtented out leaderboard rank was higher than him (as long as we couldn’t find his name among names listed above our rank). So he firstly changed the build to like, HambowShoutWarrior but it doesn’t seem working great. After that he completely changed to sword-warhorn shout and that was around august of 2014.

Just go check his twitch. he says august of 2014 in his twitch. He only commented excat date on ShoutBow but not others (maybe you can guess what that action means)

But i made it feb of 2014. and I met him a lot during that time cuz of mmr based leaderboard rank matches similar ranked people and I used this a lot right in front of him.

Anyway ,I put all video & image proofs in my document above so you shouldn’t doubt it. I have more if you need. I just make them secret just in case.

I wound’t want to have an argument about this topic since who invented stuffs isn’t important.

More important thing is that how the build can be spreaded and who did it. And Tarcis did spreaded it a lot. So I thank to him. Cuz I advertised this when I made the build but no one listened to me lol. He did what I couldn’t do.

if the build is good, just use it! and I also don’t want to have argument with my friend Mercy as well for the fact that he is earlier inventor of this build than me. Viewing the problem in this way, Tarcis is also inventor of this build becuz he figured out by himself just like same way that I invented it by myself, slower than Mercy though. So no need to have an argue for this matter in fact.

And I am not advertising me and my friend. I am advertising the build.

Dude… who cares about who made the build? No point of keep saying you and your friend “invented” the build. Instead, made a build and run in a solo queue is totally different than made a build and run in actual tournaments. Everyone can make a build, but few of them can make a build and make it become the meta.

Chill, and no one gives 2cent about you or your friend made shoutbow. It’s already past tense.

As the title says, so we all can use all our PvP material before its removed.

If it’s possible, can you also make consumable token free as well?

Simon.3794:

Vassangel.7301

top 1 soloq right now, best warrior i’ve ever met. gs/lb zerker war.

http://intothemists.com/guides/1109-anas_tarcis_tpvp_warrior_meta_longbowgreatsword

Are you talking about this? I loled so hard when i read the comments below.

xXDrgnXx.2456:

Who are you . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?

+1…

okay so, any team left in this game?

BryBry.8409:

Ixl Super Ixl.7258:

Only team with 5 skilled players quit. Gl gw2 lol

Why did you switch from your engi to your warrior. Must be because engi or any other class isn’t viable, because we all know that’s the only reason cheese mode ran 2 warriors. HAHAHA

Two warriors and one was spamming the block bug in an actual tournament you mean?
And he play warrior because he finally become viable in this game when followed na meta LOL

thief is not that hard to play, especially the S/P spec.
I think it’s probably easier than hambow warrior lmao

we become OP since the best warrior from NA created the Hambow meta.

In my opinion the sigil changes and the balance of this game will be good if the following conditions are going to happen:

Warriors:
1. Remove/Nerf Cleansing Ire Trait
2. Keep Healing Signet as powerful as it is right now.
3.. Move “Berserker’s Power” and “Highten Focus” back to Adept Trait.
– In order to move these traits:
-Move “Physical Training” from Master to Grandmaster, and buff this trait. (Strength)
-Move “Trill of the Kill” from Adept to Grandmaster, big buff to this trait. (Discipline)

Thief:
1. Nerf initiative point basic regain back to original speed. (Before Dec. 10, 2013 patch)

Necromancer:
1. Remove Dhuumfire trait, nerf Signet of Spite.
2. Keep Nercomancer’s sustainability as it is right now.

Engineer:
1. Big nerf Incendiary Powder.
2. Increase Healing Turrent’s Cool down.
3. Nerf Automated Response from 100% to 50%.
4. Increase all the CC skills’ Cool Down.

Ranger:
1. Nerf all the aspect of Spirit Ranger.
2. Remove the evade effect from Stalker’s Strike (Dagger #4)
3. Decrease Serpent’s Strike’s evade duration.
4. Decrease Spirit of Natural’s HP.
5. Give Ranger Pet’s basic damage back to original. (Back before when BM ranger exist).

Elementalist:
(Overall Ele looks good after next patch).

Mesmer: Stay the same.

Guardian: Stay the same.

Ryld.1340:

“I’ll say that internally staff Ele has turned out to be strong, scary strong against condi meta. "

How. Really, how?

Let’s just take a look at all these competitive teams running Elementalist with Sta-. Oh? There isn’t any? Drat.

are you high bro? best team in NA runs one staff ele. The ele’s name “Chubz”

I think thief are the main problem atm.
Thief can literally spam their skills now due to the initiative regan buff.
In other perspective, thief has all the aspect meta thing to spam
Ex: poison(aoe), Stealth, bursty(single target and also aoe), mobility, sustain(dodge spam), and easiness control(once you used to it)

The reason why I say thief is a problem is because thief’s build diversity is literally 1 build exist and all you need to do is switch 1 trait and 1 weapon (dagger or sword mainhand)

Warrior is a problem too but it only appears on bunker warrior/longbow hammer warrior. It’s easier to get fixed by removing Cleansing Ire trait instead of nerfing Healing Signet.

I’m going to call this patch “faceroll elimination patch”, can’t wait until December to see these faceroll player back to their original position (bad position, as we all know faceroll players are always bad that’s why they play the meta build)

Like I said in title, and I haven’t see anyone get through my idea, so I’ll try to giving out my idea now.

As an audience on twitch, I really think watching Guild Wars 2 is hard to understand what’s happening “NOW”, or which player is MVP. All you can see is “oh, there is a team-fight, let’s see what happened.” My idea is like why don’t A-Net just make a prompt when somebody killed somebody?

For example, when Red player killed Blue player in 1v1, the announcement pop “The Blue Player has been slain.” Then show on the screen with the specific player’s name who killed another specific player’s name.

Another thing is like show the prompt on screen to a team whoever victory in a team-fight with a “Double Killed”, “Triple Killed”, “Perfect Killed” Something like that.

Or either someone just did a perfect 1v2, show on the screen with “X Team Has Been Punished” so we all know that there was a 1v2 performance.

This will give the reward/respect to a good player who did a good performance so everyone can notice that, and also bring up the atmosphere to whoever watching the stream.

Give me, or give A-net some comments about this idea!!

Kaizer.7135:

Yeah, they’re really annoying in sPvP since our burst is mitigated. But I’d have stun wars over LB/Hammer wars any day in tPvP.

because lb/hammer takes more skill to play effectively compare to stun-lock warrior, But compare between these 2 builds, Hammer/LB > Stun-lock warrior A LOT. No comment it’s just truth.

Who’s better? Voz? Five Gauge? Ostrich Eggs? Answer is very obvious

I think you can try to ask Jerry E because he is the only good power nerco in PVP i heard. I never play PVP anymore but I still focusing on which player is actually good and which player sucks.

You guys can watch Caed’s stream, I think the mug trait is important to counter CC warriors, along with Basilisk. Also the blind counters CC warrior super hard, you can wait until they pop their zerker stance, then you can do the blind finisher all day. Try to learn from Caed because I believe that Caed is the best thief NA.

lol what a troll post!!! give back my wasted time!!

The GS/Mace is not even viable in top tier pvp… only bad warriors run it in PvP. Have you seem a real strongest warrior build called Longbow/Hammer?

Nice post! We really need more post like this to help this community, not like someone keep posting some useless things in warrior’s forum to just make himself famous.

warrior already have a viable build, what are you talking about…?
And the viable one isn’t the one you mentioned.

In your build you need to consider a few things:
Mobility
Team-fight pressure
Survivability

As long as your shield block is used, you will be like a very easy target for your enemies because you are using berserker amulet without any mobility

IMO, skull crack is over-estimated, and it only can pressure a bad player that didn’t get used to it. (Nerco who did not bring any stun-breakers or thief who spam their shadow-step for no reason.)

Both thief and warrior are at medium-low skill cap. Thief doesn’t even know how to counter warrior with his d/p build, warrior just killing a thief that doesn’t even know what is he doing. I would suggest you to change your title to "Defektive’s “How To”: 1v1 a (midium-low level) Thief", I understand you are trying to help the community, but if you really want to watch a real good fight, you need to watch Anas Tarcis v.s. Caed. That’s a real call for good warrior v.s. good thief.

If they put the new trait that I mentioned into strength 20, that will open up so many viable builds for warrior. I don’t see any point to put it in grandmaster because warrior is under-power, we need to buff it hard to see what’s going to help for warrior.

DXIEdge.2789:

Gmtsai.6349:

Please find someone at least above rank 50 to talk about it, not just someone who is famous on forum. If you really want to help warrior’s community, I suggest you to ask these people to join SoTG.

Anas Tarcis
Schwarheit
Hman
Bry

Also we need to find some elites for other profession, so I’m going to list those top player for each profession.

Warrior- Anas Tarcis

Thief- Cruuk

Engineer- Five Gauge

Necromancer- (No one actually godlike in this profession)

Mesmer- Supcutie

Ranger- (No one actually godlike in this profession)

Guardian- Lil Davinci

Elementalist- Vexeus

SoTG supposed to be a place to help out our community to balance this game, not a place to let people show-off.

That list isnt as optimal as it could be in my opinion….plus thats only NA players

Guardian: Azhene (I hope i spelt his name right) or Lily
Elementalist: Zoose or Phantaram or Denshee or Ultima (Or you know…me )
Engineer: Grouch or Teldo or Mouby
Necromancer: Symbolic or Zombify
Thief: Caed or Cruuk or Jumper (I think there should be a certain skirmish to determine who… )
Mesmer: Supcutie or Xeph or Helseth
Ranger: Folly or Battosai again
Warrior: Defektive or Hman (doesnt play much Warr anymore) or Schwarheit

Get a good mix of EU and NA. Not just NA

my bad, forgot to mention NA only. Your list might have a little bit awkward because I saw Grouch… Defektive is a good warrior but I think his skill haven’t reach to the top tier player yet. Others I’ll agree.

In my opinion, WvW is easy mode, sPVP is hard mode. Those elites in WvW came over to sPVP and has been rip off, they go back to easy mode again.

If they can combine the Slashing Power trait and Forceful Greatsword trait, that will be beautiful.

The theif can’t even touch you once, I bet he was loss when he failed all his burst lol, even he was speaking japanese but i can still feel that he was confused. Ben Zy is a decent thief IMO so I got to say those repliers up there shouldn’t say this thief sucks or this thief doesn’s even know how to play d/p thief.

Tarcis my boy :’] so proud of you

Zodian.6597:

I’ve been around long enough to see the “unplayable” classes of yesterday become the “game breaking” classes of tomorrow so many times that I tend to agree with statements like this, but as the meta becomes more and more established, the way that we view balance begins to differ slightly.
There’s no doubt that Anas tarcis is a pretty well known/well respected warrior in the sPvP community, and he is part of a handful of elite players that have actually pushed the class to it’s limits in terms of innovation and testing (no one even thought of playing lb till tsts ran it with 5 warriors and started winning lol). I respect him and his opinions, but I must disagree, because as the meta has become more solidified and more sub-roles arise, I can begin to see how strained warrior is in its ability to fit into these sub roles (bunker roamer far push, burst roamer home def, aoe cleave team fight roamer, support bunker, side bunker, bunker, bruiser roamer, ect…).
Warrior must be able to compete within one of these sub roles. It used to be able to fit into the “aoe cleave teamfight roamer” sub role (remember Team Cute?), but since quickness nerf, it’s more effective to just bring an aoe condi class like trap ranger or HGH engi instead of filling that role. For every other roamer sub-role, BS thief and ele just do it better.
I’m sure Anas tarcis can out perform most ele’s/thieves as a roamer, but against people of equal skill level he will be held back by the limitations of his class. -just my two cents.

Totally agreed with you, I still think warrior sucks because they are too easy to get focused, but Anas Tarcis changed my mind (kind of). Nice paragraphs there to share everyone about the meta in this community now.

When I see this list, I just feel that I saw people’s name whoever stream the most…

Let me tell you who is the real no.1 for Ranger, and Nercomercer.

Ranger: “Vinhungry” <-He did stream: http://www.twitch.tv/vinhungry

Nerco: “Tarcis Rhapsodos” <- He never streamed, but whoever dueled with him, I know you will agree.

btw, when I saw gasmask in the warrior and ranger’s list, I realized that this thread isn’t that serious.

regards.