Guild Wars 2

@Luny – I didn’t mean to offend you at all, just like others said, I’m a really chill/friendly guy xD. I lead Pugs everyday (generally 50% or more of my force = pugs, just look at the screenshot the post was directed at xD, my guild is more PvE than WvW), I welcome new players, spend time teaching players WvW builds and bring trays of food everytime I command (which is nearly everyday for 3-5 hours), and ET could definitely use a healthy dose of roamers/scouts, as well as every other type of player!

What I was mentioning wasn’t trolling you or disregarding small guilds or individual players in anyway, they’re super important and I wish we had more. It felt like game over at one point, and the post was in response to the HoD player saying ET was zergin it up showing a screenshot of him outnumbered. HoD had the numbers, all that was needed was some super saiyen fusion action like normal with their awesome commanders and going all Gogeta on bay, but the big name guilds/larger zergs seemed to stay separate for the most part. I’m not here to tell you guys how to play, I’m not that kinda guy, and I really enjoyed the fights since most encounters we came up against were super close and really exciting/fun because of it. I know that one poster doesn’t represent all of HoD at all, but if someone is trying to pull the zerg card on ET, saying we’re somehow outnumbering our enemies, it’s a pretty hard claim to swallow for anyone right now xD. We’ve lost so many WvW’rs, what we’re left with us a solid super fun core WvW team of mostly pugs and small guilds, and I’m really proud of the teamwork ET showed yesterday during those fights, it was a blast.

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

Heibi.4251:

ET whines about such low numbers. LOL. They had plenty of zerg numbers. Not to mention SF was kind of lending a hand. hmmmm.

I find this funny because you “HoD” had an LK zergball, KoM roaming with about 12 people, and PAXA doing their thing, all on ET BL, you easily outmanned them. Hell SF was outmanned and KING was running around with 7 members trying to get into fights while about 15-20 CoSA and pugs took our BO tower. Don’t blame ET for rallying all of their server into one point to defend the only BL they have.

You should seen my face when I saw that their zerg went for your breakout tower. Briar is a paiiin to try and attack, super easy to treb lake tower from hills though, whoever was leading HoD made a major tactical error, maybe they got discouraged after we kicked them outa bay so many times, especially since we just repaired up heavy.

To the HoD who thinks SF was somehow helping us, you do realize that SF was attacking us while we tried to siege briar from ruins several times, sandwiching us with your forces. It’s tactics, they saw an opportunity to flank ET, and ET has the advantage in taking lake because of hills trebs, they’d want us dead/delayed (or at least thats what I’m assuming the train of thought was). I bet they didn’t expect you to come and attack their tower, but you did randomly, and that left us open to easily steal briar from you guys.

You’re right too monk, HoD had the numbers, more than us, their members just weren’t working together, I noticed lots of guild tags running their guilds completely solo in the fights. I’m not sure if there’s something going on in HoD atm, maybe too many chiefs not enough indians, or maybe they’re just playing for fun/not really concerned about the points since they’re in a strong second place anyway, they still gave us a tough fight regardless though! I was the only commander this afternoon for ET, makes it nice an easy to lead everyone in a fight for our homeland! Really proud of every ET who showed up for such awesome fights keep it up!

Parktou.4263:

lol….outnumbered you say, Nee? This is how ET likes to fight, I’m glad all those guilds transferred away.

Wooo I made it into a forum screenshot!. If you like that, I hope you were also with us earlier when we stopped 2 SF breakouts before HoD decided to try zergin us too! ET was unbreakable today. It was a ton of fights, really proud of every ET who came out and fought such a hard fight, funnest time I’ve had in WvW in awhile!

True belle, but even if its a harder fight than most servers, it doesn’t mean its not fun! and if people keep leaving the server will never grow! When free transfers opened up, it was a chance for us to grow, instead some people took it as a chance to move to a slightly less lower tier low pop server, kinda defeats the purpose (way to mess that one up anet!). Even outmanned, I wouldn’t call us the “most inexperienced” server at all, especially considering the numbers and how hard we fight, but I can understand some people burning out and trying to find a way to re-motivate themselves (doesn’t mean I gotta like it though, come back ya big jerks xD). Maybe anet does need to do something, but I’d rather keep fighting a hard fight with the friends I have here rather than leave them for an easier fight.

ET will keep on keeping on like we always do, maybe someday a big guild will transfer here and actually stay rather than recruit and leave with ET members! I’m terribly hungover from last night, but tomorrow I should be staying in and gettin plenty of game time in, I’ll see all you ET players then, I’ll bring the omnom trays .

wyther.8372:

As an old ET commander it wasn’t uneven fights, it wasn’t lack of manpower, it wasn’t the continual beat down…………. it was the trolling

As far as I know there’s only like 1 server troll, and he lives in one map, SUPER easy to block him, I think that’s a lot better than most servers at least (granted I’ve always been on ET!) If you’re still on server Gilkin, you should really start commanding again, we need people like you, especially with so many commanders throwing their arms in the air and giving up/moving to other servers for an easier matchup, you did say you enjoyed being the underdog afterall, that’s what we are!

silverfire.2547:

In the interest of spicing things up, Filthy put up a bounty of 10s for each screenshot of [PK] getting spiked by an SF.

Totally gonna spend a lot of time in a borderland

Thank Ungood for any undue hate you receive this week!

This is actually hilarious, I thought someone was joking when I heard this. Me and Ungood don’t see eye to eye, at all, and are pretty much complete opposites, which is ok, not everyone has to like everyone xD. PK is an open recruitment guild, and as such we’ve had to remove a lot of people like Ungood in the past who don’t fit, but we always remove them as soon as we see problems coming up if they don’t agree to change. We take in players of all skill levels, that includes people who have never touched a mmo before, or go through the entire game without even putting a single point into traits and don’t understand what a “build” is. We’re casual friendly, and largely more PvE based than PvP (all guild missions unlocked and max merits!) and our only requirement is being friendly/mature/respectful, rep 100% and be on server.

I lead PvP daily for those who like to participate, when I’m able to login at least, it is summer and I’ve admittedly been partying way too much (including last night xD) For me attitude and sportsmanship is always priority, not player skill. We can train people to be better players, but it’s much harder to train players to be better people, everyone has different definitions for this though, and we have some especially amazing pvpers in PK to help players learn from if they’re completely new. Even all our commander parties lead the servers pugs on top of our own members to help the server. You can bet me and Un bashed heads when the SF trolling went on, respect is important, and I don’t let something like that go on for long once it’s discovered, he left before I could even do a ban.

Chances are players like filthyrat and a few others here would also get banhammered from PK too if they were in our guild. I know I can be a strict leader when it comes to behavior, but when you enter the ring, you shake your opponents hand, not spit in his face. I have nothing but respect for SF as a server (aka big bro), and remember awesome fights during the matchup, specifically one last stand at cliffside that is probably my most memorable GW2 experience to date. Hopefully I can relive some of that again now when I’m not terribly exhausted and hungover!

I made a video demonstrating good AC usage prior to the huge buffs from this patch, when they were already very strong and effective. I was already using arrow carts plenty in my groups, and I really feel like this patch is absolutely overkill on an already effective siege type.

AC were already good, you don’t even need line of sight and can hit virtually anything, now they’re strong WITH longer range. If you want to keep them stronger with longer range, make them require line of sight to hit stuff at the very least, so people can actually destroy them when attacking towers/keeps instead of defenders hiding them in random corners and fiddling with their camera view to get shots off.

If you don’t want line of sight for arrow cart usage, then at the very least get rid of this ridiculous range buff, you’ve effectively destroyed a large portion of viable mid distance cata sieging with the range increase, and completely removed the use of counter cata.

Just wanted to say, really awesome fights all around today guys. It was my dayoff, so I spent the whole thing in WvW, the longest nonstop WvW’athon I’ve had in awhile, and the fights were insane.

Great fights earlier today in EB both GoM and FC, also I wish you woulda stuck around in ET BL longer FC once I got there, but once we broke AB it looks like you started plans for SM, which we were happy to steal. Thanks GoM for putting up a fight for so long after too, you guys REALLY want SM back! And the fights were insanely tough and fun. Hopefully I’ll wake up with SM in ET hands tomorrow too, but judging by how long GoM attacked SM after we bunkered down, I’m going to guess they’ll be back with vengeance soon xD.

Tons of fun fights, and can’t wait for more tomorrow. Gnight all!

Is there anyway to make virtue of justice autocast rather than having to spam at everytime something dies (if you trait for virtue refresh on kill). It’s an incredibly powerful ability with those 15 trait points, but the fact that I have to spam it like a madman when things start dieing really takes the fun out of it for me, anyone found a way around this?

I recently posted my Guardian build here, maybe it’s something you’d want to check out!

Also I just uploaded a WvW compilation of the build in action, so you can see if the playstyle is something you’re interested in!

If you have any questions feel free to send me a PM! This build won’t work very well until you’re 80 though, but it’s something you can look forward to!

Until you’re maxed out in good gear, you might want to consider hanging back in your group and using ranged consecration or a shout build to help support. Staff and Scepter/Shield would give you some good weapon skills to use to help support your group from range. Hope this helps!

Amazing defense GoM in ET BL, holding Greenlake for so long was insane, you really sieged that place up good. Seeing more and more glam mesmer too, all the confusion stacking really hurts. We’re going to have to start traiting a lot more condition removal! I tried switching my build mid-way to help, but really I think I would just need a pure of voice shout build.

Took us forever to drive you guys out, I think you farmed more than a fair share of badges off us from your efforts though xD. Thanks everyone who stuck with me and kept up the pressure, when we did manage to take the tower we went straight to EB to take SM too! Hopefully we still have it by morning xD.

@geekanerd, I think everyone who’s been here for awhile agrees this has been the most balanced matchup in a long time, every team has zerg balls at some times of the day, ours, FC, GoM. Everyone’s numbers looks like they’ve seen a boost, which is great to see! I’m sure people who are complaining about numbers will change their tone when they win against a larger force and get to feel that crazy sense of accomplishment it gives xD.

For people who don’t like it, keep in mind, open/non-matchmaking pvp game is never about even numbers. Thanks to uneven fights, that’s what makes victories against larger forces such a rush and makes us come back for more, those moments are hard to come by in other games. If people really hate being outnumbered and want a completely even fight, sPvP is the place to go (which is honestly a lot of fun too xD).

SUPER fun start for this weeks WvW! Was nonstop intense action ever since I got off work, I know I had a blast, and great fights both GoM and FC in ET BL! You guys really put a lot of pressure on us, and I can definitely tell you’re kicking stuff up a notch too (my death count was probably pretty embarrassing tonight!). Thank you all those who stuck with me and kept fighting all throughout the night, in the end ET BL is ours (for now at least xD ).

We definitely got plenty of loot in the process, some really intense defenses! I’ll be working on a vid compilation of a ton of our fights this weekend too. Also a lot of fun fighting together with KWBH being led by Jug in FC BL! FC you really swarmed us good once we got started though, I have a feeling this week is going to be one of the most competitative/toughest fights yet, good luck everyone!

Buddy.7563:

Score update before I go to bed.

Sleep is for the weak! Your SM is ours Mwhahaha.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to sleep! I mean, totally not sleep, do important manly tough guy stuff, like doing pushups. I’ll be doing pushups for 8 hours, see you guys on the battlefield again tomorrow!

Really though, awesome fights this week, it’s been a lot of fun, and it’s nice to have a well balanced matchup for a change. GoM are really going all out too, it’s been a lot of fun fighting you guys! I still think we have a lot to learn from your smaller organized groups, and I’ve noticed you guys are especially good about hiding mesmers for tower ninja’s. (edit: and oh god, all that siege at Crag earlier, THE PAIN)

Lots of awesome fights against FC in Eternal tonight too, you guys almost had our keep, then we almost had yours, then the SM fight. I’m guessing a lot of players went to sleep, because we had fought a huge FC force just prior to SM, but not many were left defending after. Hope to have more really epic fights again tomorrow!

Gnight all

wyther.8372:

Okay so running 70 v 30 is the suck and exactly what I had hoped to avoid. Unfortunately, that is unlikely now. It is too easy to look great when you don’t have to do anything really spectacular to win.

To me transfer wins to “SF” our opponents is the bore. My questions is would FC or GoM; depending on who turns out the worse of the two servers after a week or two welcome a commander from ET? I do have an unorthodox style and like to use caps while leading so people know what to do (lets face it not everyone uses TS). Anyway let me know as I wouldn’t want to come over and cause issues.

You could always break out into another map with TAC, we were middle or last in points per tic for awhile today, and from my play hours at least it always seems like there’s more maps we could break into and you’re a commander that can lead it! The matchup is far from a blowout like SF. If you’re tired of being on this server that’s ok, but I really don’t get why, or why you think we’re anything remotely like SF, you seem to have been in panic mode the second you heard transfers happened (which they needed to happen because of how terribly outmanned both FC and ET were, unfortunately FC did get a guild that just went there for a “vacation” though).

If you leave, it was always fun fighting alongside you Gilkin, but don’t compare us to SF when we’re far from having the coverage they have and you know it. I think most people are happy that after 4-5 months or so of being in dead last WvW, we’re actually now, finally, second to dead last xD maybe 3rd to dead last next week if GoM doesn’t gain more momentum, they’re really adapting to our playstyle and stepping up their score!.

I’m pretty sure any server you would transfer to would have equal or greater playerbase than ours, just possibly with different primetimes and playstyles. Considering most higher tier players move to lower tiers though, I think we’re probably in a good place to be fun-wise when it comes to WvW.

kurath.9406:

hopefully its in a place where we might see movement between the tiers to keep things fresh.

I hope so too! It’s been a lot of fun each night. GoM has really surprised me with how well coordinated their smaller groups can be, they hit multiple targets at once making it much harder to defend against than the large zergs we’re used to dealing with. Still adapting to their playstyle, but I’m liking it a lot! If this is what T7 is like, I think it would be a lot of fun to play against the other servers there too.

Even if we were to get dropped down again I’m sure we have a lot to learn from each others tactics, since we’ve all been stuck in the same matchups for so long it seems we’ve all adopted different tactics, and the change has really made WvW more exciting than ever!

I’ve been running/tweaking this build for a long time, and have a lot of fun with it in WvW. It’s not a good solo build, this specifically works thanks to AH healing from empowering might, and greatly benefits allies through might stacks, staff 4 heals, and dodge roll healing.

I’d really like some feedback and know what you guys think! If there’s any tips to take this build to the next level, I’m all ears. Guardian has been my main for a long time, and I hope this vid helps other Guardians who are looking for a fun WvW build to play.

Update: Thanks for all the great advice everyone, both on the videos, forums, and PM’s. I actually have started to adapt stand your ground instead of save yourself to get my full combo’s off more often, although I do miss the essentially “super saiyen” mode save yourself gives you for about 10 seconds with every buff possible xD, but more reliable combo’s with stability seems better for a lot of situations and a stability to get stomps off in smaller fights.

Here’s a bunch of clips put together of WvW for the past few weeks, I had a lot of footage, so I just took some of the best clips I could find. I hope this gives people a better feel for how I play the build and ideas for their of builds and playstyles.

As a commander who’s fought SF for months and months now, I’ll say this. SF generally doesn’t go all out on reset night like most servers do, and I’m assuming a lot of their players didn’t know/realize that they would be moving up a tier either, so don’t let your guard down! They might really crank up the heat in the next couple days, especially once players log in and realize its a different matchup.

Best of luck in T7 SF, make them feel some of the pain you gave us for the past 2-3 months xD.

Hahah, I love the idea of Team Dante!! Clerks ftw, and “I’m not even supposed to be here today!” fits the whole tier shift perfectly xD.

It was a ton of fun tonight guys, I know I had a blast. Good to see FC making solid gains too! You guys tried to push hard into ET a few times, thanks all the ET members who helped hold down the homeland! it feels like the matchup change really lifted everyones spirits.

GoM are surprisingly tenacious when it comes to camp capping too, they kept sneaking past our main fronts and kept pressure on every camp on the map, it’s something we’ll have to adjust to!

See you all on the field again tomorrow! Looking forward to a matchup that isn’t going to be a complete blowout for a change xD.

VK, I hope you change your mind and decide to stay on FC, I’ve heard a lot of great things about your coordination so far and hope to get to face it on the field!

This patch has brought a lot of new players into WvW, both new players learning and experienced players from higher tiers, and the fight has been more fun than ever. I’m personally having a blast, I can’t wait to see what this weeks matchup will be like! Welcome all the new players to T8!

Just wanted to say, SUPER fun fight in ET BL just now, really fun fighting against you SF, that was a really tough battle between Garrison and Dawns! Looking forward to more stuff like this, with culling gone the battles are a thousand times more epic than ever before.

Gilkin, I seriously hope you’re not complaining that on a day where free transfers are enabled, and new WvW content is released, that we’re able to have a single queue in one borderland. This is causing you to fear that we’re going to rise the wvw ranks like crazy? First why would that be bad, and second we’re actually last place in points per tic and total points this week right now. I think you’re going a little crazy there man.

Either way, really fun fights tonight guys. With the culling gone, and actually being able to truly see the numbers, man, things are even more brutal than most of us expected, honestly I feel like SF fights even stronger now that they can judge numbers better and know they can steamroll over many of our groups, rather than playing defensively due to culling. Looks like we’re going to have to change up our tactics a bit more! Looking forward to more crazy good fights that we can actually see now with the culling change.

Never give up! Never Surrender!

Sorry to hear you’re not going to command anymore Gilkin, sure its a stale matchup, but going out there and leading together is fun times regardless of the odds, and you’re a good leader too. Maybe I’m just conditioned from oldschool conquests games like Shadowbane (PLAY TO CRUSH), but this is personally fun for me! I was sick last night/today, but a couple days ago I thought we were still having a good time in WvW. It’s fights like these that get adrenaline going, I hope you plan to keep fighting even if you choose not to command!

Just like Jekner says, if anything this keeps us sharp and on the peak of our game, we’re not going to receive much better training opportunities as a server than this. Besides, I pretty much exclusively WvW these days anyway, I know I’m not alone in this, if we suddenly just stopped we would just be sitting in Lions Arch chatting all day!

King Amadaeus.8619:

I am done worrying with the differential, and what the T7s are doing, I am perfectly content to rush way too deep into the middle of the ET zerg (normally yelling “push them”)

I enjoy doing the same against SF zergs, so lets keep it up! If you play during NA Evening primetime, I hope we’re getting chances to crack each others skulls, honestly for a long time everytime we’d wipe the SF zerg on ET BL they would immediately migrate to FC Borderlands, and this doesn’t seem to happen anymore. Since I just got my harddrive to record I’ve been getting LOTS of awesome fights and recording from it. I’m serious when I say this, keep up the hard pushes on ET, its honestly been a lot of fun and a real big challenge, and we’ve been seeing a lot more largescale combat on the field between towers/camps too which is always a ton of fun!

I’d argue about your thought that ET has numbers you should be worried about though. We do have more of a late night/early morning presence, but especially during my hours at NA prime it’s probably smaller than you think, and I can’t remember the last time there was a queue anywhere. You can judge some of your numbers vs ours on this latest vid I got of a garrison defense, there’s another really good defense on my channel too I posted earlier!

Either way FC and ET scores aren’t going to change much at all, regardless of who’s 2nd/3rd place, if you choose to focus ET more for whatever reason, I’m glad to meet you on the field. Honestly I prefer fighting in borders vs fighting in Eternal when SM is all sieged up and surrounding towers are constantly getting sieged by trebs xD. I know a lot of people are tired of the stale matchup, but honestly this extra pressure against ET lately has woken me up and really gotten me into the fight more than ever. I still hope you guys manage to get enough points to get into T7 though, you’ve really been putting in a lot of extra effort it feels like these past couple weeks, keep it up!

hyjaxxx.1584:

im not super familiar with your situation in tier 8 but …the buck has to stop somewhere. My question is this…is your population (wvw wise) super low and thats why your ratings are so low? or is it something else? it seems the bottom 2 are almost identical in points..while the Green Server in t8 is Way Above …

can someone explain the sit. to me?

The easiest way to explain it, is in the glicko matchmaking everyone has a cumulative score that persists week to week, and the points you gain/lose is based comparatively against the other servers in the matchup. This is what determines your place in the matchmaking ladder, nothing else, this isn’t a numbers/server strength issue that has created the situation. Not having a cap on how high/low the cumulative score can get is what has broken the matchmaking.

The cumulative score for FC and ET is ridiculously low, largely due to transfers and lopsided matchups prior to free transfers ending. The cumulative score is so low in fact, that the winning server (sorrows) is -expected- to win by a ridiculous landslide since the matchmaking see’s our very low cumulative score vs their much much higher cumulative score from past matchups. Whether ET and FC would get beaten by someone from the next tier up if they dropped and SF ascended remains to be seen, but a stale matchup from a force that has become far too strong for the bracket is the other solution which no one wants.

So, long story short, tier 8 is a black hole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpR9kvaD1mE

Finally off work, Chody from TAC asked if anyone recorded the big fight at AB in ET BL yesterday, I just so happen to have a brand new hard drive for recording, and managed to catch that very fight!

Started up a channel on youtube, no personal music on this comp atm (I’m a radio guy, I know, weird right?), so I just slapped on whatever I could find in the youtube editor. I’ll be adding new videos and getting real video editing tools soon xD.

Part of my party couldn’t even make it there were so many SF blocking our reinforcement path. Crazy intense fight! It’s been a lot of fun in WvW this week, cya all on the battlefield!

would be nice to see class pvp balance changes added for sPvP carry over to WvW. Afterall, certain classes are nerfed in sPvP for a reason, to balance and add competitive pvp, should this not apply to WvW too?

If culling never does get fixed, then I agree 100%, something needs to change, and soon. In sPvP you can deal with stealth fine, granted I still am a firm believer in mechanics to reveal stealthers, the devs have a different vision that I’m willing to accept as long as they can balance it, and it’s simply broken in WvW and sPvP nerfs/tweaks don’t effect WvW either. I’ve never played a game where so much of my time is spent swinging at air where I “assume” enemies are, and toss aoe’s around like a madman hoping for the best.

Barbarella.3209:

Firstly who broke the pact is a matter of perspective. I was there at inception and saw it the other way around. I saw Krakrabbit extending an offering of mutual non aggression towards eachother and ET raiding our maps the same day it went into effect and beyond…

Secondly… All that kitten about “spitting on olive branches” and “reaping what you sow” is just an excuse to do what you want and bolster momentum. Politicans use this tactic quite often to manipulate the public into seeing things their way.

Facts are, everyone is becoming bitter over this stale and overly long matchup and its just so much easier to pick on a smaller target rather than fight “overwhelming odds”.

I don’t post a lot on the official gw2 forums, but I do read them daily, I’ve been on ET since its creation, and keep pretty well connected with the goings on at ET. Like you said, it is a matter of perspective, so let me share mine. This might be a bit lengthy, but hopefully it gives better insight for everyone on the current situation.

When the NAP was originally proposed (poorly worded as a truce or alliance by some), ET was already mainly focused on SF as is. This was largely an attempt to try and stop FC aggression on ET while being hit by Sorrows. I don’t know what all 24/7 coverage is like, as I’m most active during NA Evening primetime, but there was a pattern of seemingly coordinated effort to stop ET’s very strong Friday reset turnout by FC and SF working together. There was a situation where I personally watched FC camp our spawn in Eternal while Sorrows took our keep right behind them, and after the cap both zergs went their separate ways. I heard several reports from different timezones and fights on other maps with similar situations, but most prevalent on Eternal Battlegrounds.

Now, being an “opportunist” isn’t a bad thing in a 3 team FFA, and I don’t mean to offend people by using the word, but I don’t feel like I have to, since what we were witnessing was less of being an opportunist and more of bad decision making for very, very short lived gains. Sorrows would steamroll FC shortly after ET was dealt with, making any sort of opportunist sort of mentality seem flawed, and Eternal would be permanently painted Green. I’m not saying everyone from ET completely laid off FC at this time either, for the most part though, our largest WvW guilds were attempting to deal with the real threat, SF, and almost always our forces were focused against them.

So, a commander from our server (ET) came to most the largest and influential WvW guilds. He brought up the idea of an official NAP. Every large WvW guild leader pretty much said, sure, we already focus Sorrows as a primary target anyway, doesn’t change our battle strategy/plans at all, really it would only help us. Does that mean that -everyone- would agree to it, or that we would contact every small WvW strikeforce/group? Of course not, but overall, Eradon Terrace has seen very, very rough times. That has more or less created a pretty stable friendship/network of communication amongst the largest long standing guilds on the server to discuss this sort of thing. We assumed Ferg had the same sort of atmosphere due to their situation being similar.

Problems happened obviously, and FC guilds apparently haven’t been growing friendlier with time like most of ours have. Apparently the person who brought up the NAP talked to the wrong guild leader on FC, because all the thread turned into was trashing of guilds and leaders (I won’t call out specific names of the FC players involved, if you dig up the thread or have been keeping up with this you’ll know). An increase in smaller groups from both FC and ET started attacking each others borders, mostly camp cappers, because of reasons like “lol truces are stupid!” sort of mentality.

Regardless, small strike forces still wouldn’t be a problem as long as the large guilds still focused on SF. On the FC side, from the very start a large WvW guild/playerbase were against the NAP, very against it. This seemingly increased large guild coordinated attacks on ET. The Final breaking point was the previous reset, when FC coordinated a very large effort to try and take over the entire ET Borderlands. Now you have no NAP, and increased hostility/reason for the players from both servers to attack each other despite SF being the serious threat.

We could try salvaging the NAP, but at this point with SF being so close to leaving the tier, I think everyone would agree that its best just to keep on doing what we always do, try and stay classy, and have fun killing each other. In all honesty, the drama seems to both have re-invigorated forces from FC and ET more than working together did. See you all on the field tonight.

Takerukun.8924:

It would be lovely if it worked, but the mind numbing ramifications of doing even a slight alteration to server mergers with the intent of balancing WvW population is too much to expect even professionals to handle well.

Well I hope they figure it out, because imo at least something will need to happen soon.

When they released the game, I don’t think they really thought WvW would have a lack of players/coverage, afterall, a LOT of people bought and play gw2, many who came specifically for WvW. The problem comes down to when WvW mechanics AREN’T fun for most PvP’rs, and something needs to be done to accomadate the fact that the vast majority of servers, not just t8, don’t have anywhere near 24/7 coverage or interest in WvW.

Their whole philosphy of the game has been based around “find what isn’t fun, and change it to make it fun.” They’ve done that with every aspect of the game except for WvW, so its no surprise that less and less people do WvW everyday.

What out of the following is fun. Is spending your own gold to upgrade towers/keeps fun, waiting for supplies to get to said towers/keeps and hoping someone doesn’t take those supplies while you’re trying upgrade? Is it fun having to actually try and grab loot bags mid-combat/massive fight (I know I rarely ever even think to grab any of them). Is it fun having stealth, even mass aoe stealth mechanics in massive pvp that can’t be countered, no “reveal” spell of any type whatsoever, and culling problems to make it 10x worse?

I can keep naming things off, the game was balanced/designed around smallscale dungeon groups and sPvP, and even sPvP died in popularity due to poor balance, it’s no surprise they’re having difficulty balancing larger scale pvp without even taking into account that more than half the things involved in WvW just aren’t fun and won’t bring in more players to increase servers coverage. Hopefully the march patch changes some of those things, but that was supposed to be starting this month. Instead we have a big PvE patch coming, and what happens everytime more PvE content releases? WvW participation drops.

The whole purpose of choosing a server is for WvW. WvW is designed for largescale combat, tons of players at once. They separated the different timezones into different servers that would facilitate that easier. At that point I don’t know what you can do, I’m assuming NA and EU servers are in diff locations and merging them together would result in worse pings for one of the two parties involved? Either way, coverage is low, there’s no overflows on most maps (at least for lower tier servers) and servers still show at high/full pop, some of this needs reworking, if not merging I don’t know what.

Manoa.5897:

C’mon guys. Due to the messed-up ratings math for Tier 8, it appears we’re going to be stuck with each other for quite a bit longer. Bickering with one another in the match thread just makes a crummy situation even worse for everyone. Let’s all try to keep it clean, sportmanlike and fun and save the fighting for the battlefield (this is directed to ALL servers, including my own).

I’d like to echo this statement too. I understand why people get frustrated on our side at ET, but like it our not, this matchup isn’t going to change anytime soon. The best people can do is go and do what you enjoy. If you’re not enjoying WvW, then don’t torture yourself. ET and Ferg are in for a rough matchup for at least 2 more weeks, give or take depending on the wonky matchmaking math.

All complaints about people camping spawns, camping is a legit tactic, don’t get too upset over it. If people are dancing/laughing while they do it, or when they win fights that they zerg with ridiculously larger numbers, going on forums to complain about their behavior is just feeding those trolls. That’s exactly how they want you to feel, and I know our server isn’t void of players like that either, they just have less opportunity to act out since we’re the underdogs.

Good fights tonight everyone, I know I had a lot of fun personally tonight, even with the odds greatly against us, that just gives us more of those shining moments to crush a zerg with good tactics. Score isn’t everything, something Sorrows is definitely missing out on are those moments like I just described, and their have been tons of clutch defenses that just make my night most days we WvW together. Like the person I quoted mentioned, we’re stuck with each other for awhile, don’t let a stale match drive you crazy!

Its one of the big issues WvW has, the crazy thing is it doesn’t even matter if you’re on a ridiculously populated server, low tier servers with low populations have terrible culling too.

Takerukun.8924:

Dreams aside, let’s keep this positive and civil discussion up! (And on the front page.) Hopefully, we might one day get a Red-Card response, if only so much as “We’re aware of the problem, but have no way to fix it at this time. Please be patient.”

I need to stop posting walls of text…

A response would be nice, and don’t stop walls of text! Chances are if we’re here in forums in the first place, we like reading and we like lots of discussion xD and you make a lot of good points in your post, especially how T1 is the opposite situation of T8.

The one thing I’d like to ask ferg players, or really sorrows or any other lower tier servers, do you guys get overflows for maps often in PvE? I can tell you right now that during primetime on Eradon we don’t, occasionally one for lions arch but that’s it (and that would be resolved if they gave us something like guild halls for guilds to hang out in!). I personally feel like the server populations aren’t accurate.

One of the biggest complaints everyone has is about coverage, not just in t8, but in multiple tiers. Maybe Anet really should consider merging not just bottom tier servers, but multiple servers, and take a new look at their “server population” indicators. If they want WvW battles to be balanced, the first step is to actually fill the matches, a team of 80+ people on one map vs a team of 20 or so people isn’t fun for most people, and even in PvE zones we don’t get overflows so its hard to imagine why we’re considered medium/high population on the server list, or why the system exists in this manner in the first place.

If coverage/player populations in WvW wasn’t an issue for all matchups, then we would see more matches changing around and less blowouts by some servers vs other servers. Really I’d love to hear Anets response on this, or for them to look into the possibility of merging servers. Yes some people always think merging servers sounds bad and will push players away, but you know what pushes players away even more? Ghost towns and blowouts, stagnant matches that never changes, unachievable score differences to change said match ups. Just my two cents.

Like a bunch of people already said, this isn’t an alliance of any sort, try not to get upset over it if you’re getting worked up here xD. As it already stands we at ET normally only focus SF, cause honestly, as everyone knows, theirs enough SF players to fight both us and Ferg.

The problem comes in when people, imo at least, just aren’t thinking clearly. I think it was 3 weeks ago when ferg and sorrows sieged our keep on Eternal at the same time, only SF was actually bashing through the southern gates, while Ferg was spawn camping us (for what benefit to them I have no idea). After sorrows grabbed the tower, Ferg left, Eradon was completely removed from the map due to Ferg and SF working together, then SF slowly took the whole map. What did that accomplish for people at Ferg?

This new reset, we had to bring in extra people to our own Eradon Borderlands instead of bringing more into eternal because a large ferg force decided to try and take the fight to our homeland. We pushed them off the map, tried getting some siege up to keep them out, what did they do? Brought more people to our borderlands and started a breakout event. At the same time, half of Fergs own borderlands was taken over by sorrows, and they did all this just to try and get one tower from us, shortly after their breakout sorrows night crew started logging in and did their usual thing, ferg left as soon as sorrows got here.

When Lalu came to me and asked if we’d agree to not attacking Ferg Borderlands and staying off their side of eternal, of course I’d say yes. As it stands from my own personal experience, many days are spent dealing with both SF and Ferg attacking us at the same time, oddly enough many times with Ferg getting no benefit from the attack or only doing it to be quickly streamrolled by SF after we’re dealt with. I don’t know what commanders are leading those Ferg Forces, I don’t take down guild names and call people out on forums, even if I remember some names I wouldn’t call people out because I just find that rude in general. However, I think we can all agree that whoever is coming up with these battle plans isn’t thinking things through, and it hurts both Eradon and Ferg.

This however is just from my personal experience, maybe during diff timezones diff things happen, and I’m sure Eradon makes its mistakes too. I think the whole tier would benefit from making less bad decisions though, and the two smaller servers helping the bigger server win isn’t a smart decision, lets stop wasting our resources on easy gains against each other when SF is the person who will come along and steamroll us after one of us is out of the picture.

I’m glad you took screenshots and reported, we’ll be keeping an eye on them here at Eradon too. For the most part all guilds on Eradon are very tight knit and keep in touch, especially us vets who have been here since the fall from T1. I’ve been here since the server was launched, and personally do not know DH. I’m pretty sure they’re a newer guild here.

I rarely ever post here, but do check messages, if you ever catch people exploiting, don’t hesitate to send me a PM, and lets all do our part to make WvW fun for everyone.

Also, fun fight just now at Mendons Gap Sorrows. You may have overpowered us with manpower, but we certainly got our share of kills from defensive siege.

I’ll do another pitch for Eradon! We have a great community here, very hardened WvW’rs with a very positive and team oriented attitude that is hard to match. As most people know, big WvW guilds leaving early on caused us to plummet through the tiers. Thanks to that though, what we’re left with now is the most determined players you can ask for who’ve seen it all. All we need are a few more numbers to make the magic happen!

I hope you decide to join us, and anyone else looking for a fun and respectful community to become a part of that’s looking for a challenge.

Thought I’d throw in my two cents. I also lead a guild that sits on the edge of max player cap, and we’re constantly looking for ways to trim roster to let more friends and people who want to join our community in. Lately, we’ve defaulted to the standard I’m sure many other leaders do, first kick people off server, then people who don’t rep, then play some "I hope this person in the “unknown” location is actually gone/inactive, better send him an ingame mail just to be safe".

Anyone who argues against the last online feature is using terribly flawed logic imo. If you want to be a part of a more casual community that isn’t focused around nonstop activity, there are plenty of guilds that promote that atmosphere, my guild is one of them infact. However, I don’t chart and write down everyones account name, the only bit of information available to me, and monitor their progress by staring at my roster 24/7. If someone hasn’t logged in for 1-2 months, they’ve probably moved on, and that’s all leaders like myself are asking for. Will some communities enforce heavy participation, of course, but its there right to do that, and chances are if you don’t like that mindset you wouldn’t be a part of that community in the first place (just like I wouldn’t, as a busy adult I can’t play 24/7 either, even as a guild leader).

Please, please devs, give us this option as soon as possible. It would spark not only increased activity and happy members able to join communities they’re on waiting lists to be a part of, but also solve the massive headache for any guild leader looking to seriously manage their guild. Thank you.