Guild Wars 2

Hickeroar.9734:

Erasculio.2914:

thetreebranch.4831:

In the case of oversights by Anet with loot, why not roll back characters instead of perma banning them on issues that many players feel is a huge gray area?

Because cheaters deserve to be banned for abusing an obvious exploit.

Yeah, if only that’s what this was. Except it’s not.

Exploiting is finding holes in the game so you can get through the enemy’s sealed walls in WvW…

This is not exploiting. That’s just what the talking heads have “decided” to call it.

Everyone with more than 2 brain cells knew that this was a very obvious exploit. I wont cry about permabanned people, they got the only punishment they deserve.

Exploiters – and what we ar talking about is an exploit, everyone who abused it must have known that – are damaging games massively and a permaban is the only way to get rid of them. Otherwise they wouldnt learn anything and laugh at A-Net like: " Haha, ok I take the 3 days, but I gained 500g!" … I wont miss them and I dont feel any fear because I dont exploit – anything that looks the slightest as an exploit I dont go near. To me this is NOT a PR-Nightmare, its a good move by A-Net in my eyes.

Good move A-net. Exploiters are damaging games massively and a permaban is the only way to get rid of them. I wont miss them.

I am no Hamster, so I dont care about levels in FotM. I have seen every fractal once or twice, thats enough. FotM is no content to me….

Its ridiculous. They said they want to communicate more and what are they doing? Zero communication since AMA….reddit doesnt count for me, i never used it and i never will…

Why do you progresspoeple whine about your porgresscontent. You demanded it, so deal with it!

Its the kind of progress you progresspeople all whined for. Now stop whining and deal with it!

Better and better infusions will be grindable with an insane effort and the the levelcap will be raised – so, yes it will be outdated.

Its simple – all the same ways as exotics and of course not 10 times the effort of exotics. This is the only solution for thier statements “Play where ever you want!” and “We dont make grindy games!”

Hydrophidian.4319:

Fuz.5621:

Do you realize that when they’ll raise the level cap (and/or add new legendaries), which they already said they will with an expansion, current legendaries will be totally useless, right?

That has not been the stated design intent.

Items of the Legendary tier are intended to always be BIS. That’s been explicitly stated.

Thats true, but the new lvl 100 leg will be much better than the lvl 80….and it WILL come, cause A-Net chose the grindfestway…

Dogblaster.6713:

mavet.3047:

SHM.7628:

mavet.3047:

The whole point of these nerfs, which are intentional without a doubt, is that you spend more rl money on their piece of crap gem store. No subs so they have to sucker you in some how.

Very transparent, but not very smart. People don’t spend money on a game they don’t enjoy.

I agree with you 120% on this but I’m just saying what their sick mind state is. The “devs” have taken a game with such great potential and turned it into a piece of stinking crap.

That is your oppinion and if you are still playing something that is stinking crap for you its really sad.

I have 1200 hours play in Guild War 2, I crafted my Juggernaut yesterday and I enjoy the game really a lot. Its one of the best mmorpg I have played for last 9 years and I played almost every one released

Dont like it? No one is forcing you to play At least I hope no one does

1200 hours? 12 hours per day…..I have a real life, do you?

Went through 8 zones at peak time yesterday to do the daylie. I saw 4 other people there. LA is crowded because additionally to all crafters, low lvl chars and traders there are now all ORR-players. There are definitely less people online in GW2. Full servers dont realize that because poeple travel from dying servers to them.

https://en.support.guildwars2.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9053/session/L3RpbWUvMTM1NDYxNDMxNC9zaWQvbHhtYjdVY2w%3D

This is the new grindprogress policy. Grind as much as you can….everywhere. I remember someone important once said: “We dont intend to make a grindy game!”. Funny statement….

I paid for the game so I will play it, but they wont see a single cent from me until they remove the treadmillgrind as I see it.

Galen Grey.4709:

The only thing xfire shows is that it isnt reliable source of information.

What are you going to base yourself opinion on? number of players? The highest I remember xfire was 7k players and how its 4k players. But what does that mean? that population dropped by 50%? that those 7k players dont play every day anymore? Does it mean players uninstall xfire? Does it mean they’re playing for a different location?

When we take a game like wow though that we know the actual number of in this period of a month we see a 20% drop in hours played. If that declining number would be any indication what so ever of a decline in player base subscription would have fallen yet we know they have not! (and btw if you looked at xfire the week MOP launched it was 120k hours so WoW subscriptions would be close to 2m – 3m now if there was a direct relation like people are implying.

Seriously Xfire provides no usable data whatsever!

To me it shows a tendency. If ascended gear was usefull for the game, numbers would go up, but they dont, they keep on falling and falling. Simple as that.

Galen Grey.4709:

IonicBlaze.7948:

Sodapop.3715:

Face.7032:

Population dropped severely after the last event was over, that’s to be expected but I personally am going to take a break (after WvWing incessantly) until they alter how Ascendant gear is obtained.

when u say population dropped severely, how do you know?

http://beta.xfire.com/games/gw2

Wow so based on that data Gw2 got about 6m players now?

I mean what that show us is Gw2 has 4k players player 17k hours per day. we dont know how many players Gw2 has but we know how many players WoW has

according to that: http://beta.xfire.com/games/wow
WoW has 6k players playing 29k hours.

That makes Gw2 having 60% less then WoW, WoW has 10m players so gw2 must have 6 million players… amazing! wonder why they never announced reaching the 6m mark.

/sarcasm

Can we please stop with the meaningless xfire data ?

Nobody said that everybody uses x-fire, but its one of many indicators and it clearly shows the direction. Ascended gear brought no benefit to the game.

Einlanzer.1627:

It’d definitely going to be skewed heavily because happy or neutral people are far, far less likely to be lurking on the forums and reading these threads.

There are at least as many unhappy as happy people who dont read the forums, like the 35 members of my guild that just quitted without leaving a single word here e.g..

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Liliana Moore.4237:

Soon everybody will levelup their alts in fractals thanks to scaling and character based difficulty progression. All we need is cross server dungeon finder and working LFG tool.

There we go, “Guild wars 2” has become “FotM-only”….its sad, what the chase after stupid numbers can do to a game…

You wanted “longterm-goals”. This is what it looks like. Deal with it or leave it!

Some Threadmill-lovers claimed that people are coming back to the game. Numbers show that this was wrong. Its getting worse because of this new ascended crap…

http://beta.xfire.com/games/gw2

Mesket.5728:

Forum comunity is not representative for the player base… the real players are there playing and not posting here.

Thats just one side of the medal. My whole guild of 35 members just quitted playing without leaving a single word here because of the treadmillpatch. I am the only one who writes here. And I consider me as a real player that cares about the game as it was promised.

You wanted “longterm-goals”, now go for it. Happy grind!

Twomix.5384:

I hate it that you’re forced to participate in WvWvW to get 100% completion.

I hate to sit in a hamsterwheel like FotM to get max stats. Deal with it or leave it. Simple as that.

lordkrall.7241:

Well, it could very well be true.
Keep in mind that it is usually the same people spamming all the threads about how much Ascended gear sucks.

Those that are happy does not hang around on the forums most of the time and even if they do they might not spam all those threads.

I have seen almost as many: “I like this” or “I am okay with this” people as I have seen “This is worthless, ArenaNet lies!!” people. Which most likely would mean that the majority is actually happy or at least okay with it.

Why does everybody assume that not writing here means that u like everything? My whole guild of 35 mebers quitted playing the game because of the patch and NOBODY BUT ME from this guild writes here. All 34 other member just left without leaving a single word here….

Me. I am logging in from time to time to play an alt, but most of the time I play alone on the lower maps cause theres nobody else. I am not going to join that ascended treadmill.

Snoring Sleepwalker.9073:

As for the people who like grind, why did they buy a game that promised to not have any ?

That what I ask myself since the patch came out…

welcome to world of grindwars 2

I dont like grinding my as of for gear. I am looking for another game. I play GW2 until then, but they will get no more cent from me for this treadmill.

Sodapop.3715:

Face.7032:

Population dropped severely after the last event was over, that’s to be expected but I personally am going to take a break (after WvWing incessantly) until they alter how Ascendant gear is obtained.

when u say population dropped severely, how do you know?

http://beta.xfire.com/games/gw2

xtorma.1283:

El Hefe.2814:

Fozzik.1742:

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

it’s not required. if you don’t find it fun, don’t do it. i guarantee you will enjoy the game more.

If that’s the case, there was no reason for the stat increase.

Thats it, there was no reason. Challenge could have been made without higher stats.

offence.4726:

@Pirlipat I was originally the one raging against this change , because I went nuts years ago when playing mmos with 2 Tiers of gear. I could never settle to have the 2nd best , thing is anet took the casual approach to this since I sit in overflow for an hour at nights which is new to me, this means the game is on fire atm with people playing it.

There are not more players in the game. Its simple: In LA there are a lot of people because they craft, roleplay, trading in tradingpost etc. since gamelaunch. Now there are the people that used to be in Orr + the other people. Thats why there is an overflow now. The game as a whole hasnt more players…Thats what i see in LA.

Felivastus.2470:

I recently just finished the level 11 charr story quest. After it was completed they told me to level another “3” more levels just to continue it?

Why do they do this? I can’t see why they don’t just throw in some quests that don’t even have decent story to fill that hole?

They’re forcing gathering, crafting and dynamic/heart things on me.
Thing is atleast maybe WvWvW Xp gain semi-decent.

I hate walking around looking for vista’s or dynamic content! It’s just a big time waster.

Edit: And what makes it worse is the lack of players in the content if a fresh players jump in. Most dyanamic events require a group, I can’t even find some players to help me, and when I do. They never, ever help!

Sadly you wont have fun in this game. It just turned to a grindfest with the last patch.

Calae.1738:

Not only should there be a cap but, it should also reset every week. At this rate the community will be so segregated that no one will be able to find people to play with.

Dont worry. Itemchasenerds will hit “the wall” soon and cry out loud. A-net will give them another carrot…

I like everything in GW2 but I hate the ascended treadmill.

Luculus.9860:

Do people think, in general, that these forums (and game forums in general) are so negative because the people who are really enjoying themselves just play and don’t come here to whine?

I mean this seriously.

When I talk about the various topics in guild that are brought up on these boards, the responses are totally different.

Some recent examples:

Ascended armour: forums consensus = bad, a treadmill. Guild consensus = could be good, let’s wait and see, only a “must have” for deep Fractal adventures.

Event: forums consensus = laggy, unfair, skews the economy etc. Guild consensus = one of the best events in online gaming ever.

Fractals: forum consensus = elitist, gated, treadmill etc. Guild consensus = excellent fun, innovative and rewarding.

On my guild forums, negative posters just get ignored or asked to stop being so attention seeking. We can all spot them. They enjoy dragging things down and foreseeing doom.

These forums seem to be riddled with this type of post like a cancer. It’s depressing. I come here to read about the game – people’s thoughts and experiences, some tips and info. But the majority of thread titles are just doom.

According to this forum – the game died 4 weeks after release, no one is playing except for hardcore grinders and treadmill lovers. My experience in game is the total opposite. Players that are casual, like to explore, to “potter”, to craft, to try a bit-of-this, a-bit-of-that are seeing this as the best game in years to cater to their playstyle.

Anyway, I’ll leave it there.

Although, if my theory is true, the following responses will be mainly negative as the forum population will see and answer this, whilst the regular players will miss it because they’re online and having fun

I am the only one from a guild of 35 who writes in this forums. What our guild did since patch? They all quitted playing the game without posting a word here.

I was was bored to hell….

My feedback:

My guild of up 35 passionate players is now dead due to the treadmill that was implemented. Higher stats and gating are no content to us.

Lanhelin.3480:

We have to go on strike. The We-just-log-in-for-Skin-Strike. No playing, no trading, no gem buying, nothing. We only log into the Forums to declare our displeasure until Anet rows back. This might take a few weeks, but it is necessary. This is the only way to get what we want. Less logged-in players results in less countable data and is unfortunately the only statistics Anet and NCSoft will react to. Forums are designed to give enough time and space for sstorms, but this is serious. We go on strike. And it’s done, when it’s done (:p at all developers out there).

I haven’t logged in to the game since Monday when the news about the patch arised – and many players participated – and do so till now. Because we are the community and we are the customers and we decide about rise and fall.

If you like to join us, stay out of the game but stay logged in to the forums. And keep declaring your displeasure. We are the majority.

They dont care about loggin in to the game, A-Net cares about our money….or is it NC-Soft? I decided not to buy anything here since this came up, this is not the game i bought.

Thirsty.2875:

Crater.1625:

Yes, and your solution is good – but every aspect of it that applies post-Ascended (to prevent ‘Exalted’ gear, or whatever) applies equally right now. The argument is the same whether it’s being had now or whether it’s being had after Ascended is the new normal – if you can’t win it now, there’s not much hope for winning it later.

For this instance we will say we lost the battle with ascension gear because it is here. My suggestion allows ANet to put in a reason to get the next gear besides looks for the people that really want it (the people grinding dungeons) and makes it only a visual change for the people that have no desire to work for new gear.

The fact is, weather or not you like it, numbers will prove a very large amount of players like gear progression. If ANet can cater to those people while not making the newer gear any better for those that wish to not raid dungeons than we all win. More players happy = more players = more money for ANet = incentive and resources for ANet to make their game better for everyone.

I just say A-Net lost the battle for my money with this new tier.

Dibrom.6408:

It’s got a 90 second cool down now.
SKILL FIXED

lol

nofo.8469:

siepher.9408:

nofo.8469:

warmonkey.8013:

nofo.8469:

Rangle.2539:

But all MMO need progression. New tier will give that progression.

Yer there has never been a successful MMO released without progression content, we need new tiers but patience, we need for the majority of people to have at least experienced ascended first.

lmao.

i mean you’re just so wrong i don’t even..

good god, but you’re just so wrong, haha.

keep talking kiddo, i’m sure your exhaustive knowledge of the last 3 years of the gaming market won’t let you down
haha

Really? Please list one.

I am more than willing to be corrected, just provide some substance please.

GW1

GW1 had infusion too. They borrowed this awesome concept from that game.

They had no better stats.

nofo.8469:

Archmagel.1350:

nofo.8469:

The agony system is really going to require a level of resistance which its mandatory for group leaders to know what kind of gear their members have in order to form successful groups or raids.

So we are going to need some form of gear score, publicly viewable agony resistance or inspect. What is your plan to address this ANet?

Feel free to give input as well people.

Gear score is what I would like to avoid.

I don’t like telling people that they can’t join me or that I can’t join others because they/I don’t have a certain type of gear, or some other requirement, so we can just try and enjoy the content of the game. I am pretty sure you wouldn’t like that either.

No gearscore, ever s’il vous plait, and let this be the last tier.

Well, I would like to enjoy the content with everyone as well. But if there is someone without agony resistance then I will need to filter them out so I can enjoy the content.

It’s a downside really but it is a necessary evil in order to enjoy this wonderful content ANet has made for us.

There we go: “What? U dont have FOTM equip? Go away Noob!”

My guild of 30 mates is dead since yesterday.

I wanted to invite 3 but as they heared about the treadmill they werent interested anymore because they thought u would gear up once and then have fun. They dont want to grind gear their hole life.
One of them told me: " Why would I play WoW 2. If I wanted to grind for gear every day i could stay at WoW."

Dear A-Net,

please let me know when a i will be able to craft all ascended gear without grinding a stupid dungeon over and over again. I´ll come back then.

Arreyanne.2683:

chronus.1326:

Rusha.4725:

28 days later:

Full ascended guy:
-There is no endgame and progression in this game…

Make that 2 days.

Cant be two days they didnt release all 12 pieces yet.

They dont want the Panda crowd to leave. Theyre hoping the Pandas will buy transmute stones first

Pandas will leave soon, because they dont want to wait. When they have the first 2 Items they look around and moan:" Uh, game over, bye GW hello again WoW", so I believe A-Net loses the groundfanbase because of itemtreadmill and loses Itemchasers because of the lack of new items all 2 weeks….double-loss….bad news for A-Net and its great analysts

(This is MY opinion that noone has to share )

Rhyaehar.9504:

Ascended == Legendary
There is no progression between them because the stats stay the same.

Until the WoW-Item-Chasers are bored again and then they set in a new tier and upgrade legends. ( I think not more than 5% of all players will ever have these legends, so the normal player can throw his “endgear” into the Trashcan again and again and again ). Treadmill.

Urxx.6840:

Flynch.6034:

Anet need to release some details that are concrete and this thread can be put to sleep. Currently there are thousands of players commenting on something that they think will happen.

And that’s fair enough, as the details are far from refined. It’s very easy to read the blogs and then see what you want to see. It’s too ambiguous and frankly Anet need to sort it out. The forums are not a nice place to be at the moment.

I think they explained it pretty well.

FACT: Exotic gear won’t have infusion slots.
FACT: infusions are needed to counter agony and other conditions that will be introduced later.
FACT: in order to apply infusions to your gear, you need it to have infusion slots.
FACT: In many interviews ANet has stated that a player couldn’t acquire gear that was more powerful than exotics, at most better looking gear which had the same stats (legendaries).

So what exactly should ANet explain better?

What we need is not more explanation, but rather a statement from them saying: “we have listened to our community feedback and are removing ascended gear from the game. All existing lvl 80 exotic gear will receive an infusion slot.”

Simple as that!