Guild Wars 2

“However i don’t get it why it feels like the Thief profession went from viable / decent to something completey squishy and almost uneffective in most encounters "

You can get by playing a thief but you have to have put in the time or have played it alot to do so. The problem with thief, is they nerfed everything about the profession simply because we had access to stealth and a backstab. Now the thief class is suffering because anything outside of having constant access to stealth (d/p).. will get destroyed because it does now have enough survivability. There are some builds that have a load of evades however this isnt viable against the better players or top tier, because your not doing anything but being a evade bot..

P.S. I love seeing a staff theif spam their heart out.. its adorable really..

@Babazhook, i am pretty sure when you interrupt someone, you apply the pulmonary impact, and 2 seconds is what i noticed in the beta, i have not looked since however.. will next time i play.

I dont think anything should be added to it, it already hits like a truck and you can stack it multiple times, i just dont think this is working as intended.

Sorry if this was already talked about..

Thief and pulmonary impact, you interrupt someone, and then go into stealth.. and when the pulmonary impact ticks off, you get revealed. I would understand this revealing you if you could crit with pulmonary impact. You interrupt someone (sometimes as a last resort and retreat into stealth, and then get revealed for the interrupt you did 2 seconds ago.) 2 seconds is a long time in thief terms.

Am i just thinking about this wrong? Is this how they intend the trait to work?

I know eurantien, he got me back into ranger after i wouldnt give it a try after they didnt make it anything like gw1 ranger. But this post was for the people crying about lb ranger damage and not being viable.. Not for the people who post that they are good or im bad (i know i am) without posting videos of their own. Sorry, like i realized your words are just words without proof on these forums i guess…

Would love to see your videos blitz? This was for the people saying LB ranger is dead.. if you dont want to read the rest of the forum posts then you wont understand.. Sorry cant read them for you..

Mistsim, go read these forums, damage complaints are all over it.. I know its not the top Guilds, but im curious what your experience is and if you have any footage to watch of yours? 90% of the community of rangers isnt close to top tier, so i believe this is more watchable for them then any of them will get to to be honest.

And i dont struggle much in pvp at all either, the only times i do obviously is when im yolo queuing and i get the pre mades..

On the “crumbling”, i dont see it. I got caught out and died twice? Like i said was the rust, mesmers burst on me (big complaint from other rangers) got away and was fine, ( thief bursted on me another complain) i was fine and interrupted his stealth, i believe it was me, might have been my pick thief but not sure..

I completely agree.. This is in response to people complaining about LB and asking for proof.. here it is.

Edited original post to include the link, comments would be appreciated.

First let me start off by saying im sorry for the audio in this.. It sucks balls i know but im working on it, and i suggest muting it as you cant even hear the guild and just hear my obnoxious voice/typing. Im working on the audio part but everyone says on these forums LB ranger is dead and i try to tell them otherwise, asks for video so here it is. I even laid out the rounds so u can skip to them if needed.

Second, i know i click skills, usually just my last utility and elite, but im working on that, sorry for the people who dont like my skill clickiness.. and my quickness use is not the best, but i picked it up post trait patch, and still learning how to use it and when is the best time.

Third, I know i stay in LB the entire time and use my GS very defensive (i am a advocate for using GS offensively as possible), however, they played 2 gank, and were very bally so there wasnt many targets i can go all in (im almost full zerker lb ranger in wvw.)

Sure there are rounds i get blasted to almost 0, but i recover and continue the fight, and the only time i get royally kittened on is my bad positioning (first GvG for us in awhile) and i get trained down. Feed back is appreciated as im always looking to improve.

If i get enough time away from GvGs and get time to PvP ill try to make a video of me playing a map or two to show that as well.

Round 1 Start: 00:00

Round 2 Start: 8:55

Round 3 Start: 20:00

Round 4 Start: 31:25

http://www.twitch.tv/padapwn/c/6989275

Sorry forgot to post the link.. my bad.

mistsim.2748:

Padapwn.5924:

but i extend challenges constantly and no one will prove me otherwise.. .

it’s not that no one wants to duel you, it’s just hard to take you seriously. build a name for yourself and maybe someone will prove you otherwise.

So if i add you and invite you to a 1v1, you will decline? Wasnt meant to be taken as i dont have people to duel, just no one has proven to me that LB ranger is as dead as people make it seem…

I dont understand the muddy terrain.. If you run double dog, you have enough cd to make up for the muddy terrain and you can bring something like QZ that helps finish fights harder. Plus at the very least is another stun break/condi removal. Other thing ive seen is lead the wind is a far supperior trait to remorseless because of the fury uptime from wilderness knowledge. You lose the 25% dmg with fury but you attack faster and gain piercing with lower cds on your LB.

Also sigil of hydromancy, im assuming your using GS to get away and more of defensive. If you switch that with intelligence.. and when they gap close take the fight to them hitting the swoop, hilt bash, maul combo.. you can change the fight where they HAVE to go on the defensive.

Again, you would take a thief/mesmer over ranger.. because there literally is very few people who put in the work to make a lb ranger viable (ranger lb needed big buffs and since it got it no one has put the time in on the class as they have on a thief or mesmer)..

My traits are on par with other classes.. My utilities, only util that you could gripe about is Signet of stone mainly because endure pain has a less cd.. the toughness alone from the passive signet makes up for the longer CD .. nothing to complain about.. My damage.. i put out more sustain damage then 90% of people.

There are certain times that a mesmer/thief will rekt me sure.. but thats ONLY because i dont have all my cds.. and they have theirs.. and even then the fight isnt a one shot on me.

Please, someone bring something other then D/D ele (hardest counter).. find me in game and prove me wrong, because i have yet to see otherwise.. Can even bring condi spammers, I’m up for it to prove you wrong.

I have a GvG tonight at 6pm PST, so anytime after thats done im open or this weekend. Not trying to sound like this is a L2p issue, but i extend challenges constantly and no one will prove me otherwise.. or when i get someone i get hit with the .. oh your just full cheese, anyone can do that. And these forums suggest otherwise.

If you dont land them.. then they are blowing something.. and if they arent ur bad at playing lb/gs.. if you think lb is a free kill.. minus the builds i listed it wont be a free kill for you.. please enlighten me

Alright fair enough.. other then GS/LB zerker/maurudar.. i dont know much so your prolly right about that stuff.. fair enough..

Other then condis, unless your facing full condi spammer, condis arent an issue for me.

I use my pets sparingly and only use them for the fear/kds/aoe immob.. Ya i agree pet needs buffed.. I dont have a problem with anything on ranger atm other then pet dies WAY to fast, specially now with the damage buffs to every class. Again, the only builds i struggle against is D/D ele (no chance).. warrior that has wasted my cds and pops rampage.. and reflect mesmer (rarely see good mesmers running this).

Ya you will get blown up by a mesmer or thief, but all it takes is map awareness. If they get the jump on you your dead.

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582, I would hope you find me in game sometime so i can show you what im talking about.

WvW is the same.. ya if you dont have proper positioning and mechanics you will get eaten by a thief cause of the low cds.. but thiefs arent a problem in wvw.. and usually need more then 1 to bring me down..

@arenta.. twitch.tv/padapwn check past broadcasts.. or bring ur thiefs or any thief into a pvp arena.. i have no problem proving this point..

I dont understand many of these ranger is done/bad posts. LB/GS you can stun lock many classes and the classes that you cant you have enough to kite them around as your “SUSTAINED DAMAGE” burns them down. From my experience, proper LB/GS play only struggles against three things:
- D/D Ele
- Warrior who can pop rampage effectively and you cant kite
- Reflect mesmers (most mesmers dont run this however as it only counters rangers)

You absolutely need to be skilled to run LB/GS build and you ABSOLUTELY need to be able to use your pets properly and Ranger is one of the few classes that you have to know all of the ins and outs against every class you face or you can get exposed. This is not a face roll sit in LB the whole time pew pew class.

I have been super busy and dont want to put the time into streaming lately, but i am on lots and if you dont believe me i have no problem dueling you. Add me in game and give it a go.

A good lb/gs ranger will beat a thief 90% of the time no matter the distance.. unless they are running condis….

Valderius Rex.4108:

SkiTz.4590:

Switch classes honestly.

You are doing yourself and others around you a disservice by being a ranger.
While it WAS a fun class for me, its completely ineffecient compared to other classes.

Rangers are mediocre at everything, great at nothing, terrible at nothing. Just flat out mediocre.

If thats what you want, go for it.

I’ll enjoy my ele as my new main for now =)

I started playing a mesmer and was floored by how easy everything felt. Damage was just as good, if not better, with lower quality gear, I’m more survivable, and holy melandru I can get 22 unbroken seconds of stealth…why?

It hurts me to have to virtually abandon my main ranger that I’ve been loving since the original beta but daaaammmnnnn…

It was in response to this….

Sure, i also stream at twitch.tv/padapwn, if you want to look at my past broadcasts.

Has anet made rangers ez mode yet?

Fixed your title. If it takes any effort into playing then its not worth it and needs a buff. I have 0 problems as a lb ranger. The only problem i have is against d/d ele, warriors who pop rampagers and i cant kite (already used cds), and reflect mesmers. If your struggling against anything else as a LB ranger please put the time into it, or roll a different class. LB ranger has some of the most consistent dps in the game, paired with GS has the burst to finish off a enemy. So tired of the “RANGER NEED BUFF” posts. I would love a buff, but then all the bandwagon boiz would come to ranger and people would complain.

TL;DR – Put the effort into learning the build/class before you complain please….. (if you dont believe me find me in game. Padapwn.5924)

+1 to Mattyp.. LB ranger is about positioning and knowing when to go in to hit your burst and when to get out and kite your enemy. Sure you dont have a ton of burst on your longbow.. but you can put out alot of sustained damage, and if they turn to focus you, your already far enough away you can have them waste lots of time or you have caused them to burn alot of their stuff just to get to you or avoid the damage your doing with autos… There are very few LB rangers i would take over a thief or mesmer, but a LB ranger in the right hands can out perform a thief or mesmer imo (not many people believe it)….

*By the way, LB ranger is hard to play in pvp at higher levels, and Thief/mesmer is easier to play which makes it easy to take those classes over a LB Ranger

This is coming from a LB/GS user that believes the Ranger is in a rather very good spot. If your having problems in areas outside of PvE (dont play it) honestly, learn the class and put the effort into it.

-being the worst class in wvw zerg, gvg

Hands down, you need to learn the lb ranger. I am more then effective in zerging/gvg/wvw. If you dont believe me watch me when i stream, or watch my past broadcasts (forgive me its been awhile since ive even streamed. Its summer after all. Should be back to streaming this thursday twitch.tv/padapwn) Sure zerging gets a little difficult but focus the squishies with your lb.. gg

-having one of the worst dps of any class in pve

People play pve?

-being non-existent in competitive pvp

They are non-existent because they were bad for so long. Most people dont care to put in the time to get good at the class. Its not something you can pick up and face roll good players with.

? Does Ranger bring any good support into Team Fights? Boons? Cleanses? Anything?

LB ranger is some of the best sustained damage in the game, and if set up correctly has some INSANE burst. However, most people see ranger and think its just a Pew Pew, GET HIM, and if you cant handle pressure or dont know ur rotations you will get exposes. I love roaming by myself or in small groups (i dont struggle that much). If you run double dog, you have so much interrupts and CC that you can help keep them off your parties back.

? Does Ranger perform ‘well’ when he is under fire in Team Fights?

Yes, if you have your cooldowns and know your rotations/positioning you can kite, and pop defensive abilities enough to let the rest of your team have a free for all

? Is Ranger better or equal pick to Cele in terms of 1v1?

Only thing i currently have problems with post patch is the Cele ele (always have) and the new mesmer builds that i havent learned to fight yet (so much reflect)

? Is Ranger as mobile as Thieves and/or Mesmers?

No only because of the constant ports, but if you go into a fight with positioning, you dont need to be the most mobile.. your hitting at 1500 range and have plenty of escape and defense.

? Is Ranger damage on pair with other ‘+1’ (Roamers)?

LB ranger is some of the best sustained damage again. Best thing to do is learn how to use the class using both LB and GS as offense and when and what skills to use when you start getting pressured.

TLDR – Ranger is in a REALLY good spot. It isnt the easiest thing to play and you have to put in a little work to learn how to fight certain classes. Good luck!

I see a problem with condis not ranger here. And the quality of players your going against.

The problem isnt with spamming condis. The problem with condition builds is the fact that power builds have to go precision and power to make it viable, where as the condi kitten spammers get to stack vit, toughness, and condi dmg, ultimately making it skill-less as you can face tank dmg as u spam your condis.

If you really wanna see condi become somewhat skilled.. force condi builds to have condi duration and condi damage both stat-line. Then you can either have your condis hit extremely hard or last longer and stack your vitality and toughness, or take away a defensive stat to have both strong hitting condi as well as longer lasting.

Not sure how i like their new condi system as it will be able to be extremely abused by condi spammers, but who knows until we see it live and how it will play with the new traits/builds of power builds

Bump.. pvp ranger streaming now.. will be doing guild raid with Pursuit of Infamy on HoD later..

I currently am playing for Pursuit of Infamy [EVIL] on Henge of Denravi. And ill look into doing the archive for my videos, thanx for the feedback, i appreciate it.

Why i asked for feedback.. im not perfect at streaming, rather very new to it!!

I posted this in a discussion already but just for the people who didnt click it, i started streaming a few days on my ranger.. i play longbow/gs ranger.. and i play pvp/wvw/gvg and roam. I would love feedback on my play, or if you have any questions i can answer hopefully.

http://www.twitch.tv/padapwn

It really is not that difficult to find players… Whatever excuse you want to make, no offence, there is no reason you shouldn’t be able to find people to play pvp with. I play maybe 1-2 games yolo queing, and then between those games i can find enough for a 5 man team that i wont have to worry about playing with terrible players…

Dont forget we were all “bad pugs” at some point…

+1 to terrorsquad…

This game has builds that “carry” or “forgive”(help hide mistakes) bad players, making them look good against certain players and will get exposed against the better players.

Biggest problem warriors/engineers face is, imo, its so easy to play a shoutbow or engi that people dont care enough to spend the time to master the build/class.

I agree with removing the timer, but yet again this game mode is fun at first but fails in one aspect imo. The death timers. I know it would make it even more like a moba, but that is where they got the idea of “stronghold” from, but why not make it so that if you die later in the game the respawn timer is longer then the start, that way you cant be an idiot and rush the lord and get wiped.. only to respawn and then will allow for some counter play and actually dare i say it.. SMART GAMEPLAY…

The double doge is just to kitten strong imo.. Double kd, witht he aoe fear and aoe immob when you need it, and used properly is op in itself…

i stream when i can and i believe im not terrible at lb ranger.. i do miss alot of my skill shots as i mained thief for 90% of this game still learning. I also run with a wvw guild on sunday-tues and then thursday, and we gvg some of those days, wouldnt mind some feedback even if it is trolly i can usually find something out of it to work on.

I dont have a set stream time, but usually will be streaming after 5pm PST sometime and I do some random things.

twitch.tv/padapwn

Laugh at the commander and continue to do your job of punishing people who get out of line and the lows that dont want to use their heal or who already have.

Rangers are actually VERY strong in zerging. All you have to do is watch your positioning (sit behind your zerg and move with them.) stay in LB and pew pew the squishies, people who are out of position and the lows in the other zerg.

LB ranger in the right hands can thrive in any situation.

LB+GS 1v1 is actually rather very strong if you play it right.. but most people don’t realize they have a gs for offense and not defense and they don’t utilize their pet very well. Only thing you should struggle mightily against is the occasional medi gaurd, and DD ele.

Barrage is fine imo.. If used correctly you can get some insane damage out of it.. If you use it as a opener then you already handcuffed yourself with the skill, however, if you force 2 dodges or even 1.. that’s one less dodge they can use to avoid your other skills, so your already ahead in the fight. I use my barrage very sparingly, and usually use after i see them blow most of their evades.

Having the initial hit be a small immob ( 2 sec), and then every arrow that hits after that is a cripple would lead to some interesting mechanics for ranger. Barrage does seem a little underpowered, but it is hard to say what you would do to not let it get too overpowered.

Take the mistfire wolf skill pet.. and add that as a legendary pet.. that actually “takes some time” to get.. since it is utterly useless as an elite.. give it to rangers so they may utilize the kitten thing. (hands down coolest animal skin in game)

I know playing lb ranger and standing behind a zerg and pew pewing is ez mode but curious about the rest.

In pvp i dont struggle against much other then the DD ele, and the occasional medi gaurd. (due to the pet passive bug)

In WvW i beat pretty much most 1v1 matchups.. occasionally losing to medi gaurd again and DD ele, also with the -40% condi food.. war seems to be tough. (due to the pet passive bug as well)

All i get is QQ that im hitting only 2.. and when i offer the chance for them to bring a ranger of their own or anyone else who can play it, the usual response is “I dont play ez mode.” I don’t think winning on ranger 1v1 is that easy to do let alone solo or team roaming..

So my questions is.. any other power ranger out there that can win most of their 1v1s or is the class actually that easy to play in 1v1. When ive gone against a ranger 1v1 as a thief i had no problem beating them (minus the sic em build switch)

Best thing to do is peel for your spike damage. Regardless what some may think, Ranger cannot “burst” effectively as well as other classes, but it can put out a better sustain damage.

Another big problem with the ranger is anything that has boons/can reapply boons. So peeling for a d/p thief when they initiate their burst and steal the boons is ez mode.

Id like to personally thank every longbow ranger that sits and spams 1111211112.. 99% of the player base now simply thinks they can gap close.. and kill every lb ranger with ease (which is about 99% of the lb users). Makes my job so much easier when they gap close and i actually know more to the class then the auto attack, rapid fire spam.

But you don’t HAVE to be 500 crafting to get the gear..

its just great.. bunch of hot fixes and nothing yet to fix the “class mechanic”..

I dont understand how they can’t fix it, tbh its a game breaking bug for pvp wise.. can’t even use your pets they die in the first engage cause they run in and aoe die..

So whats the point of f1 if when u attack regardless your pet will go attack my target already.. If it is a change they intended i hope they revert it.. kind of annoying i can’t control my pet.. i have to worry enough about where it is going so it doesn’t die.. now i have to constantly call my pet back to me..

Ya def needs a fix.. was nice to use my pets and have them go in when i wanted them, they are bad enough with the attacks and getting caught in aoe, at least let me tell them to go in when i want them too.

anyone have that thief mpg no scope video that came out awhile ago? with the “nerf underboob” i gotta show it to some people and i can’t find it

#helpmeh

When will you do the wrong bow ranger right and give them what they need. Allow the ability to hide the pet even in combat.. absorb the damage from the pet to your character, and then give them a “killshot” ability that will punish those for being bad.. The slow burst damage/sustained damage of a longbow is pathetic and sad.. Make them viable please.

Shadowbane.7109:

When initially released I hoped that we would have a skill that camouflages us. Instead of sharpening stone could we get camo? ( Makes more sense in survival) As far as I know the only option for this is a feat.Maybe make 2 versions of it? In combat we get a few seconds while out of combat we can hide indefinitely (Maybe in specific terrain?) PvE/PvP/WvW

Good point, Since playin a longbow ranger for awhile now been searching for a way to give the ranger a way to escape without giving it op war run skills. Problem is your far enough away with longbow you can break combat but the closing speed by other classes is incredible.. a Simple utility skill that you can pop to stealth (combat stealth would be a few seconds, and only stealth till you move) would significantly help the ranger class.