Guild Wars 2

Heya

nice things .. BUT … Anet worte nothing about guest servers the identity. Guest server continue to be the forgotten servers. We dont know, which peeps are from which server.

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I have made this thread for 9 months ago (after the first linking)

Slow death of the “forgotten” Guest server

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And this thread was opened 11 months ago:
World linking and names [Merged]

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Will this be fixed? I really hope so!

We will see what will happen on tuesday ….

This linking cant be true.

FSP and Piken with linking servers and SFR without?

I dont understand it, thats no fun

heya

sounds good, mabye its time to change somthing in WvW.

I had this idea 2 month ago:

Example:
T1-3 for Blobfights and Queues.
T4-5 for medium Blobs
T6-7 for Roamer and small Guild fights

Anyone could choose what they just want. So no server membership, but simply after now just desire and mood, select in a field/selection, without transfer.

I have fun today/few hours on blobifights – I join T1-3

or

I wanna just roam today – I join T6-7

and I made this thread 6 month ago:
Slow-death-of-the-forgotten-Guest-server

Same here, im from WSR. We were linked to RoF (2 times) and SFR.

And now we are playing against both in an MU. We know them and it is no fun to play against earlier allies.

Slowly I lose the fun in wvw, it is just sad

here can you see, which server play together vs the others

http://eotm.gw2info.net/?lang=en

Raap.9065:

But server names isn’t exactly something I’d call a priority…

Sure, for you … because you are on a host server. We, the peeps from a gast server, miss our server, we lost to much since the linkings.

We are fighting in the name form the host server, not for us/our name. An alliance consists of several servers not just one. We have become mercenaries … which are sent every 2 months to a host server. WE have lost our server .. our home in WvW.

For the most from us, has it a high priority … to get our identitary back, sry.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Slow-death-of-the-forgotten-Guest-server/first#post6299696

Heya,

tis still every 2 months the last friday. Anet wrote a post about every month

Look here:

Hey everyone,

I wanted to address the idea of moving world linking to monthly instead of every 2 months, since it is being brought up more and more frequently.

The team isn’t opposed to this idea; we actually think it would be beneficial to move to monthly because it would allow us to iterate faster on how we are calculating which worlds should be linked. However, the main reason for not doing this right now is the matchmaking algorithm, Glicko. Each time we shuffle worlds via world linking it takes about 4 weeks’ worth of matches before Glicko begins to reliably match make those new worlds into balanced matches. If we did world linking monthly, Glicko would not be able to create balanced matchups.

Our next priority poll is going to be asking if players would rather have us work on adding rewards to skirmishes (and possibly other feedback items being collected from this thread) or replace Glicko matchmaking with a 1-up 1-down system (wherein the winner moves up a tier and the loser moves down a tier.) The 1-up 1-down system should work better with monthly linkings than Glicko, so we are most likely going to hold off on 1 month linkings until that system is in.

Another possibility we could pursue is 1 month linkings, but use the Glicko offset system to guarantee the matches. Alternatively, we could manually change Glicko ratings to what we believe they should be for each world. Either option would force worlds to start out closer to being in the correct tier and thus give better matches faster. These options are contentious, so even if everyone on the forums seemed to like this idea it would be something we would poll on.

and the link
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Server-Linking-Discussion/page/11#post6418375

Morning

sounds good Diku. I have an other suggestion

Example:
T1-3 for Blobfights and Queues.
T4-5 for medium Blobs
T6-7 for Roamer and small Guild fights

Anyone could choose what they just want. So no server membership, but simply after now just desire and mood, select in a field/selection, without transfer.

I have fun today/few hours on blobifights – I join T1-3

or

I wanna just roam today – I join T6-7

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hey everyone,

I wanted to address the idea of moving world linking to monthly instead of every 2 months, since it is being brought up more and more frequently.

The team isn’t opposed to this idea; we actually think it would be beneficial to move to monthly because it would allow us to iterate faster on how we are calculating which worlds should be linked. However, the main reason for not doing this right now is the matchmaking algorithm, Glicko. Each time we shuffle worlds via world linking it takes about 4 weeks’ worth of matches before Glicko begins to reliably match make those new worlds into balanced matches. If we did world linking monthly, Glicko would not be able to create balanced matchups.

Our next priority poll is going to be asking if players would rather have us work on adding rewards to skirmishes (and possibly other feedback items being collected from this thread) or replace Glicko matchmaking with a 1-up 1-down system (wherein the winner moves up a tier and the loser moves down a tier.) The 1-up 1-down system should work better with monthly linkings than Glicko, so we are most likely going to hold off on 1 month linkings until that system is in.

Another possibility we could pursue is 1 month linkings, but use the Glicko offset system to guarantee the matches. Alternatively, we could manually change Glicko ratings to what we believe they should be for each world. Either option would force worlds to start out closer to being in the correct tier and thus give better matches faster. These options are contentious, so even if everyone on the forums seemed to like this idea it would be something we would poll on.

Heya

When is the new linking? Remains 2 Month or change it to monthly?

I cant recognize it from the post of McKenna. Sry for that.

Hey,

no, not for the host servers. Only for the guest servers we lost all. Who know us? No one. We are only “mercenary” for the host servers and we fight 2 month for/with them. After this we get a other ally.

I worte this:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Slow-death-of-the-forgotten-Guest-server/first#post6299696

Never for WvW – I stay on WSR till the End <3

(Once – my PVE time before the megaserver came, Millers => WSR)

Fremtid.3528:

I just have to say that a lot of you are wrong as a t9 server that fought up to t8 we were linked with t1 servers and me and everyone i knew that wvw’d hated it. So no, not everyone wants to be in the “big leagues”, and a lot of it has to do with that attitude that you think that everyone in the lower tiers wants to be up there, they don’t.

+1 . . . total agree. We was in T1 it was a nightmare for us. Much ppl dont played there (only Qs and Blobfights) me too.

Yeah, we was T8 and than the first time in T7 and it was sooo great! We missing much the good old days <3

1. How do you feel about this proposal?
I just do not understand. We have enough servers that have been linked, because the guest servers hardly have people.

2. What, if anything, would you change about this current proposal?
The problem is the multilingual servers in the EU. This would not change with new servers.
Maybe a different system would be something else

Example:
T1-3 for blobfights and queues.
T4-5 for Medium blobs
T6-7 for roamer and small guild fights

Anyone could choose what they just want. So no server membership, but simply after now just desire and mood, select in a field/selection, without transfer. I have fun today/few hours on blobifights – I join T1-3 or no, I wanna just roam today – I will join T6-7

3. Would you be interested in transferring to a new free world?
Just no. Have and will not leave my Home Server.

viikatemies.5347:

Not sure if I understand this. I have some questions.

1. So now EU has 27 servers. Would we have 54 in the future?

2. At the moment the 27 servers are divined into 15 Linked Worlds and 5 matchups. How many Linked Worlds we would have in the future?

3. How many servers can be linked together? Is 3 max?

same here, I have no idea

Thx for your this!

Morning

For me and much peeps from WSR:
This linking with SFR in T5 is so much better than the last linking in T1.

We can raom or run with small groups, make PPT, have good fights and there is teamwork. Thats fun … yeaaah. Thanks for that!

Pity I’ll be now 2 weeks on vacation, but vacation is also great

Cheers Tinka

@Kamara … +1

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A big problem, so I guess, that EU has too many national servers:

7 German
5 French
1 Spanish
(Odd numbers)

and 14 EU server

Probably also a reason why the linkings in EU will never be balanced.

• Fix the Balance:
  there is NO balance between the MU / Linkings / Population

• Return Server Identities:
  Guest servers are forgotten, don’t ‘exist’ anymore, are not displayed. You will be considered a ‘Bandwagon’ for the stronger server (hence the server jumpers)

Heya

same here. We (guest server) die and that just makes me sad. I missing so much small scale fights with guild groups. I hate Qs and only blobfights. Thats no fun for me.

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I have made this thread for 2 months (after this linking)

Slow death of the “forgotten” Guest server

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And this thread was opened 6 months ago:
World linking and names [Merged]

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We will see what will happen on friday … dont give the hope up

@xella
sure, but do we need these players? My opinion no, for the population ok, but they are not WSR. I only wish that we could play again together WvW and also gladly without linking

apharma.3741:

A silver linking might help but I doubt it, many just want to go back to being a single server even if we end up absolute bottom. At least we are all bottom together.

I agree! I wanna our home back

It will be happen next friday … the last linking was on 26th August.

thx god only 6 days We can not wait to get back into a lower T without the bad Qs

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Poll-6-June-World-Linking-Schedule-CLOSED/page/3#post6196507

Sylvyn.4750:

I apologize…my generalization should have been limited to NA servers and tiers. I’m sure EU servers have had their own unique issues related to the server linkings, too, but it sounds similar in that pretty much all “guest” servers have lost their identity and their communities are shrinking.

There is nothing to apologize, Sylvyn

Everyone has a different opinion and that’s good. I did not know that you’re playing in NA and writing about it, sry.

One have NA and EU together, the “guest” server dying and we have no balance between the linkings and the MU. As long as doesnt change there are always more people no longer play WvW.

@Sylvyn

that is not completely right. I am from WSR we were in T9 / 8 and before the linking in T7. We were a strong community and have fun in WvW. But that is past, we since linking hardly play WvW in T1, very sad.

Since the linkings we have so many people and guilds lost. I made this thread more as one month ago:
Slow death of the “forgotten” Guest server

We miss our fun in WvW. All what we want:
- roaming (take keeps, tower and camps – ppt),
- small scale fights with guild groups
- small guild raids

“I and the others missing the good old days”

@displayname

sure, I´m a BL Defender. I play only on all BL´s. The last time then I was on EB is about
more than a month ago.

@joneirikb

agree 100% with you! We are also T1 (EU) but only since this linking and we hardly play. All what we want:

- roaming (take keeps, tower and camps – ppt),
- small scale fights with guild groups

I moved my BF’s acc to RoF, ok lvl 34 in wvw .. but it’s more fun to play there! However, this should not be the purpose of a game

Please, Anet: Relink us as soon as possible, not in 1 months. Give us a place / home in a low tier.

@The Game Slayer.7632
agree with you.

I and the other of WSR also miss T7 / 8 Since the new Linking with T1 we play, WSR, barely WvW. We are raoming small scale fights Server.
For that I have made this Post:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/World-Linking-8-26-2016/page/5#post6310667

A guy from us had a proposal and worte this:

„instead of trying to balance the population to be close to each other, they should have 3-4 tiers and balance the population inside the tier.
People who doesn’t want their WvW to be a huge blobfest can play in the tier 3, people who enjoy 24/7 commanders but not 100% coverage and queues can go to tier 2. And finally the people who wants their WvW to be a blobfest can enjoy their WvW in tier 1..
This way I believe we could get much closer to even match ups, but also there’s WvW for everyone’s liking.“

Why not? I would go straight in the last Tier for
- Roaming (take keeps, tower and camps – ppt),
- Small scale fights with guild groups
- I hate Qs and Blobfights.

That would be a dream

heya funghetto and all others,

I agree! I have written a post for WSR – https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/World-Linking-8-26-2016/page/5#post6310667

The linking is generally a good thing. When we (guest server) not linking with a high server. FoW and we are togther with FsP. The Qeues, so bad, the blob fights also.

Anet should quickly relinking us from FSP. Better next MU than in 6 weeks.

- FoW to Gunnar’s Hold & Vabbi
- WSR to Aurora Glade & Ring of Fire

We had a great time with RoF and we missing it. That would be great. We do not need to be in T1 or 2. We just want fun in wvw it´s roaming and make PPT.

We also miss T8 or T7, but that’s past. Too many (vertrane player and guilden) have left WSR

I moved my BF’s acc to RoF, ok lvl 14 in wvw … loool … but it’s fun to play there! However, this should not be the purpose of a game

Please anet give us our joy at wvw back

Heya, I´m from Whiteside Ridge

Why have we been linked with a T1 server? They don’t need a guest server (T1 and T2) – and we would not be in T1 or T2! Most of our wvw players havent been in wvw since Friday night.

WSR is a roaming server with small group fights, that is the reason we stay there until the end. And what do we have now?
Exactly what we never wanted … blob fights and queues on every map … no thanks.

All what we want is FUN! After this linking we lost it.

Fun is for us:
- roaming (take keeps, tower and camps – ppt),
- small scale fights with guild groups

Our 2 previous linkings with RoF (over a duration of 4 months) has been good, we were a great team – unfortunately we did not have enough numbers together to win one MU.

Please, Anet: Relink us as soon as possible, not in 2 months. Give us a place / home in a low tier.

This guy made a really good post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5043li/wvw_world_linkings_and_other_issues/

an other Post from me
Slow death of the “forgotten” Guest server
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Slow-death-of-the-forgotten-Guest-server/first#post6299534

Sry, my english isn´t good

Heya all

thx for your feedback! I feel too

Sure the host server player could easily say:
“What a pride for a server/loyalty? That died and are no longer there.”

NO … wrong … the guest server has it. The most from us arent server jumper.

I see many new faces and guilds , BUT from which server they are? Our server or host? If we are in a squad, there we see it, but otherwise NO.

I would be grateful if we could see our server name (in our linking)!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Let-s-face-it-linking-failed-completely/first#post6296257

I dont understand, why getting heavily populated server a guest server as Deso / FSP etc [EU]? Why not get a weak server 2 or more linking server as the France Vizunah Square & Arborstone & Fort Ranik?

The weak servers are stuck in the lower Tier, which is also so remained without further linking partner. So they will lose more and more ppl on host server. It would be interesting if T6 / T5 server get the chance and come in higher T. So there would be more different MU’s every week.

an example:

- First linking Drakkar Lake & Miller’s Sound (DE)
- Second Abaddon’s Mouth & Miller’s Sound (DE)

The next (week) most probably will be DL + Miller´s and they will start again in T6, and the other two opponent have no chance in this MU. That will be just frustrating for more 2 month and more few ppl will leave server or quit the game.

Pls Anet, do something

I made a post here too https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Slow-death-of-the-forgotten-Guest-server/first#post6288188

sry for my bad english.

Hello,

It’s not a “mimimi” whine contribution. It´s only how I feel it, perhaps others too. I merely want to share how things are going for us – as a Guest server- with the World Linking.

I am on Whiteside Ridge since 2 ½ years, it’s my home. Most of us stay there since beta appr. 4 years (“veteran” players). We were mostly T8 and at times T9. And then, in February we reached T7, the best result in the history of our server!

However, since the 2. Linking, we’re losing “veteran” players + Leaders of “veteran” Guilds. They gave up and transferred to host server or quit the game. The next big raid guild has left us. This comes down to a loss of appr. 80-100 players. These amount is a great loss for a Guest server.

The hard core stays, through thick and thin. BUT for how long? No one knows.

I’m not talking about being a ‘Bandwagon’, we are in the last tier and place, because no one comes. Not like Vabbi, fortunately.

Some general reasons:

• There is NO balance between the MU or Linking
• Same MU for many more weeks (where you cannot even win)
• Guest servers are forgotten, don’t ‘exist’ anymore, are not displayed
• You will be considered a ‘Bandwagon’ for the stronger server (hence the server jumpers)

Anet, please give us – the Guest server – at least our identity and homeland back! We fight just as well as the Host server.

We cap towers, camps or Keeps and it displays: “Ring of Fire has captured…” … nice … is it us or the Host server? Please show at least the abbreviations of both servers RoF/WSR (Host-/Guest server) that just capped something. Do not take it all from us!

There’s another thread:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/World-linking-and-names-Merged

One another point:
Why give high tier servers like Deso/FsP a guest server when there are low tier servers that need more people to compete with the already over populated servers.

Giving a weaker server 1 link and then a stronger server 2 links (french servers), doesn’t make much sense.

Sorry for the wall of text, but I had to get it off my chest and belly.

Im from Whiteside Ridge [EU] we will always be a guest server. I agree, Sus.

There is a Thread:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/World-linking-and-names-Merged/first

Heya you 2

I am of WSR, we were always in T 8/9. In the last few months before the linking comes, we were T 7. Great success for us!

RoF and WSR are a very good team, but together we are too weak and we are again back at the last Tier and place. RoF is the lowest populated host server, WSR is the highest populated guest server, I guess. Maybe this will be the reason that we were long linking.

I dont unsterstand that:
- Deso or gandara has a guest server … nice .. – They stay always in a higher Tier.
- France are 3 server links .. nice .. – With 2 servers they was stronger than RoF + WSR together.
- New linking AM + Millers the bottom tier .. nice for them, but not for the rest in T6

We need one weak server our side. Without we never get out from the last Tier or last place.

I’m not whining, it’s just frustrating.

one other Thing – Anet changed the glicko:
We have reset glicko volatility and deviation for all worlds to the same value, but have left their rating unchanged (this includes worlds that were previously guest worlds but are now host worlds). Just to reiterate, resetting glicko volatility and deviation will result in greater rating shifts in the first few matches. This will give worlds the opportunity to move into their ideal matchup tier much faster.

@Hushy .. thats right! Miller was always stronger as we (WSR)

Belenwyn.8674:

GH and RoF need a 2nd partner, but Arenanet was not willing to do it.

yepp … France has 3 server ally .. why? With 2 they was stronger as RoF + WSR.

GH + FoW and RoF & WSR need one more server at your/our side

@skinnii
I think, RoF is the weakest of the strong servers. WSR is the strongest of the weak servers. Maybe this will be the reason that we were long linking. But for that we need one more weaker server, as 3 FR server, in our ally. RoWr is a good team, without a other server, we have no chanve to go one place up, one Tier never.

Without this, many players are not going to wvw

I’m from Whiteside Ridge.

It´s good that we stayed with RoF.

Why are there 3 French server linking? Vizunah Square & Arbor Stone & Fort Ranik (FR) VIZ + AS are already strong and have a server more.

Deso has again with a guest server, sry, bad joke.

Why didnt get WSR & RoF, the weakest Team of the EU servers, a weak server too?

Heya,

I am always wondering why there are 2 chats in WvW? Both have the same function.

My suggestion or idea:
Through the upcoming shortened Server Linking, one could divide them.

EXAMPLE:

• Team Chat – only for the Home Server (WSR)
• Map Chat – for server connections (RoF + WSR)

There are conversations that are not interested or needs to know of other server
i. e. guilds recruiting or promote the website. This separate chat would simplify it, especially with the short connection time.

The guest server (like us) have “disappeared” These are no longer displayed in the game, the players / guilds you no longer know who is which server. It would also back a small piece of the server community be prepared.

It is important, especially with the shorter linking time, we see who is from our allianianz.

The other servers from the MU I domt know, but our link, I want to see it. Who is from which server.

I’m from Whiteside Ridge. I agree with Fazz Um, Hushy and Schnook.

• We dont want all time blob fights. We are a PPT / roaming server.

The times with small groups is past That will be no longer with the linking. RoF is shut the weakest server of the strong and we’re on bottom. When a new linking are, then we will link with are stronger server ( I hope not) and thatwill happen:

More Queues and Blobs I dont wanna linking with higth T server as deso / gandara / SFR / pikes etc. Then even more blobs … I dont like full maps or blob fighting. Comfortable to make PPT, this is my world.

• We are in the last Tier, we do not care. As long as I can have fun with the people I did invest my time in.
• We write together in both our forums, we know us well.
• We cant have 3 months a relationship and then are again as enemies. They know us and we them. How does it work?

Please permanently linking (not merge yet) the EU servers

• Ring of Fire & Whiteside Ridge