Guild Wars 2

your armor makes up a lot less of your stat points than your jewelry does. so, probably celestial for its versatility. Then for jewelry go viper for pve, and have an offset for trailblazers for going to wvw.

… with how cohesive FB is using a 130 wep and mantras, and wow, those staff buffs.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Aryan Arlande.6184:

According to a reddit-thread, PoF-mounts will be allowed to core-Tyria.

It will be fun, if some Raptor tramples you into ground.

Or a rabbit.

I don’t think they will. Going to be so much fun going to LA and seeing mounts everywhere. Can’t wait to see all the threads on the forums about people’s systems tanking frames as it has so much more to draw, on a poorly optimised engine to start with.

Yep going to be fun.

Since we already have a mastery to give run speed while in cities, I doubt mounts will be allowed in actual cities but rather the core world instead.

True.

It seems that the guardians primary means of supports, aegis and protection, arent actually designed to be useful in the end game since it is really balanced around dodging one hits and healing the rest. If it is possible to dodge all the one hits because the game is designed around all classes being able to do so, then guardian support only helps bad players – and in fact enables them to continue to be bad.

It would be nice if our support helped great players be better too.

Does guardian actually have a pve support role in content that is end game?

From the GW2 main site on Guardians:

“Guardians are devoted fighters who protect their allies and smite their enemies by drawing from the power of their virtues. True guardians are brilliant tacticians and selfless defenders who know how to empower their allies to achieve victory.”

Not a single other profession mentions support as much as Guardians. Hell, engineers mention support yet Rangers and Mesmer? Not a hint that they are meta support classes.

This seems bizarre to me. I started a guardian long ago for the support aspect, and in wvw and pvp to an extent that remains true (although those arent my main modes of play). Meanwhile, in pve, the only role people seem to want me for is DPS.

I made a guard to guard. Sure would be nice if that were desired by the game in pve. Is there a plan to actually do something about this glaring mishap where the prime support class of the game no longer truly offers that role in pve where changes over the past couple years have given other professions far better support options?

Yeah it was weird to get my spear with reveal, but after necros and mesmers got block hate, well, let’s say my sympathy for having an entire mechanic invalidated dried up.

I love how people are trying to justify afk farming.

“But I have limited time and I swung by regularly to make sure my farm was still working to get me passive income!”

Like if you literally can’t even see what is wrong with this I really hope you aren’t in the majority because humanity is doomed.

It just tickled me that people could be so obtuse after being told multiple times how afk farms affect others; could people be any more dense? Probably yes when their behavior itself is being cast in a negative light their ego rises up.

I made a post about how this farm affected me. Dozens more have done the same.

Looking forward to actually completing the meta.

It’s been over 4 weeks since I’ve been back after a 2 year break.

I’ve crafted a set of ascended armor, a few more weapons, made a legendary, finished the expansion with 100% on all maps, got just about every mastery point for champs from all the season zones yet

I still haven’t completed the mastery point for the centaur boss.

Hey maybe today is the day?

Thanks Anet! I knew you were listening and the numbers likely showed progression in this zone was seriously hampered by this afk farm. (To those who insist many weren’t afk, please, that’s laughable.)

Glad to see I was right, and so many couldn’t see the forest for the trees.

Its the only way I get in leg day though!

Uh, we are amazing in wvw – the backbone of that entire mode.

In pve the only place our use is questioned in extreme detail is high end speed run raid clears.

In pvp we are pretty great at 1v1 and holding a spot.

We could use some extram oomph in pve for sure, but thats really it. I imagine the expac is going to try and address this.

I should have stipulated this suggestion is only for pve as guardians need no help in pvp or wvw AFAIK.

This was to make guardians feel like their support matters in pve, where we are, lets be honest here, outshined by other classes for a LOT of reasons.

Sorry for the confusion yall. This is to help make guardians desired for pve blobs as it would be like giving everyone you give aegis a dodge roll.

It’s time for guardians to shine again.

Aegis: now grants 1 second of invincibility when consumed. Invincibility now counts as a block for trait activation for Guardians.

Traits: Shattered Aegis now extends the duration of Aegis by 1 second.

Discuss.

Okay so first thing I noticed in the

spoilers

episode involving the 2 dragons and how it would destroy Tyria is that there is no specific mention of killing the dragons individually. What we are shown is that if we used the machine to have their magics cancel each other out, it destroys Tyria. What we dont know is if killing the dragons like we did with Mord and Zhaitan would release the magic in a different way.

Just food for thought. Just because disharmonizing the magics against each other would destroy Tyria, it doesnt mean the traditional method of dragon slaying would produce the same results.

One of my biggest regrets in the game was going Jeweler/Chef on my main at launch.

Talk about kitten on it all sorts of ways with the release of ascended jewelry and food being insanely cheap.

Meanwhile if I want ascended armor or weapons I NEED armorsmith/weaponsmith/huntsman/artificer.

Anet logic.

Lake Doric.

Let’s just say failing the vast majority of events and having an empty map isnt fun.

I was cruising through HoT, maps are active, not having any issues during prime hours to get new exploration of maps done.

Until the farm in Lake Doric that sucks up the majority of the maps players.

It isnt fun. I did some research and read that the farm was intentional to help a leather issue?

That is so unbelievably amateur I’m at a loss for words. I guess if the map is only good for farming I’ll try to get some guildies together to help me finish it but wow, I had higher expectations and was I let down.

This map is wrecked AF. Good job fixing one issue by causing another.

Couldnt the simple thing be to just lower the leather in recipes by i dunno, half or more? Nope, wreck a zone. Typical from years ago, at least I can see not much has changed.

And when a warrior can spec dps he doesn’t need to Spec for any vitality. Tell me, how do all those “mitigation tools” you boast about (which warriors have many of as well) handle against a thief burst where you have less than a second to react? Only that helps is base HP.

Knox you’re clearly stuck in the past. With players like you, I’m glad I no longer play- have fun with the thread you hijacked.

Enjoy your pigeonholed boonbot so the other real classes can dps.

Knox.3748:

… So your problem is that you cant survive with 15k hp yet i see GREAT Guardians kittening on people on spvp or WvW with their guardian. Please… Guardians started the game as being better than other classes and now just because other classes are getting some good and deserved buffs you are crying. Well.. too bad for you. I still remember when Necro was full of bugs and Guardians were all happy here because their char “wasnt op” but was strong. rotfl. This forum is hilarious.

Oh so you anecdotal experience is worth more than others, and its okay to be an e-thug because your super objective data their is somehow better than ours? Why don’t you get off that high horse pal. That’s your opinion and its just as valid as others and you’re the one making it hilarious. We aren’t talking about where guardians were a year ago- were talking about after 4 months of lots of class changes guardians have been left behind. You may read the words but you don’t get it. You’re remembering when players were fresh, the game was new, and retaliation was OP. news flash. That was over a year ago.

Got any videos to back your anecdotal experiential claims? Oh cause you saw some beefy guardian stomping uplevel scrubs in wvvwv, guards are OP? K.

Crapgame.6519:

Knox.3748:

Crapgame.6519:

Azylir.9137:

Stop expecting to be viable to do everything at the top, because if the games balanced that wont happen, and our classes initial design/natural disposition is defensive.

One thing I would like to see is the gap between base health pools slightly reduced.

You can’t have it both ways. If a player decides to play a full DPS based class then that same player can’t expect to have the same defensive capabilities has the Guardian. Yet they do.

No they dont. You dont need an high health pool on guardian. This just shows its not a classe problem..

Let me know how that DPS build of yours works out in WvW with a 15k health pool.

If you itemized for 300+ vitality to hit 15k HP, that’s not a dps build.

For you naysayers Ived logged in twice in the 3 months. I’ve posted in this thread only in 2 months. I don’t play anymore. You’re wrong. Nice chest thumping though.

For you other guardian white knights, I’m sure you’re bunkers are still asked for to be a boonbot for the real classes.

My point was about dps guardians, because ya know, arenanet says they want multiple viable builds for each class. Other classes have bunkers and dps or even support too, like warriors, guardians have one. I didn’t realize at first when I started playing this game it was WoW and I has chosen the tank class that couldn’t dps. But you white knights keep at it, defend it all you want. You’re missing the forest for the trees.

I merely wanted a dps option for wvwvw or spvp that didn’t need to sacrifice everything under the sun to get good dps- like other classes. It wasnt too much to ask, it still isn’t – clearly the Devs acknowledge this- why can’t you?

I’m voting against their design so far by acting the only way i can- stop paying and playing, express my discontent.

I’d say the message is loud and clear: if you want to dps in pvp don’t go guardian.

Sadly I don’t reroll characters, I reroll games.

If you are ever interested in not being a bunker when you pvp thn do not roll a guardian.

The class you are looking for is warrior. Highest base HP, best armor class, easily way more damage than any other class when leveling, face roll easy full signet build is effective and can be played with one hand, and in end game you have a plethora of is le
Builds for pve, pvp or wvwvw. Do yourself a favor an stay away from guardian if to want to pvp anything other than a buffbot meat bag who can hardly 1v1 and has no soft cc for a melee only class.

“Oh crap its a guard, run.”

Said no one ever.

Shoot. Amins you had to prove me wrong; I thought the old timers had already move on.

You’re right too.

Sigh. And that’s due to their non stop buffs while guards remained stagnant. This game started out great and then just went downhill. Bait n switch on design, it wasnt a next gen MMO about fun instead of gear, and they did a 180 on direction.

My faith or trust evaporated months ago and this December patch is a confirmation that it was a valid feeling.

Good luck to those of you who carry the torch for the guardian.

Some people get it and some don’t. Those who don’t will do whatever they can to make others feel bad for raising real comprehensive concerns, such as offering hilariously bad false dichotomies and just tryin to stir stuff for people already upset.

There is a reason this forum has no new guides, no theory crafters anymore, and all those guide writers are playing other classes. Yes you still have players doing bunkers and then everything else for pve; what we don’t have are soft cc for dps specs or -any- condition builds in a game where conditions are the meta.

If guardians had soft cc deep in zeal or an actual condi bunker build, I probably wouldnt even be posting this and actually rather playing the game still.

If any class deserves condi bunker, its guardians with their low HP and need to skimp on dps stats for their bunker specs with 10.7k hp. Other bunkers cab condi it up and miss zero offensive power. For a guardian it’s too much of a trade to try and have damage while bunkering, thanks to retaliation and conquest.

God I hate conquest. My personal opinion is that the Devs refuse to do anything else because the know the design of the guardian falls short when there is nothing to capture. Guardians excel at making a (tiny) area around them extremely hostile. In pve this is fine mobs run straight into it. In conquest this fine, park that hostile area on the node. Everywhere else its terrible, more so for dps guards than bunkers.

And that dec “discussion” thread? Lol discussions are usually more than one post. And the Devs KNOW dps guards need some help but refuse to take the necessary steps to resolve it, namely, soft CC. So I refuse to play until its done and won’t even give them the “concurrent logins” they so desperately crave.

It’s not about wanting to be warriors. It’s a about wanting more viable builds for pvp and www. Bunker is basically it to be optimal.

What’s the only class without a powerful and effective condition-anything build? Mm hmm. And burst dps without any escape and low HP? K

Gyler I’m talkin spvp and www here, learn to read.

Poster above me knows. I called this months ago when some were calling it months before that. Check my post history.

Basically guards stagnated while everyone else got buffs for damage and survivability. Real buffs, not the laughable jokes Guardians have been given

In one sentence:

Dps Guardians will never be in a great place for tpvp or wvwvw until the devs stop pigeon holing guardians into holding a point – dps guards don’t hold points.

Not even same universe as defensive and dps buffs so many other class’s have got this year. I logged in just post this for you die hard guardians.

I might come back again in a few more months to check and see if its worth coming back to play my favorite class that’s been pigeonholed into one build due to the designers having one whole type of spvp map, conquest. Over a year later, conquest.

Other classes have multiple viable builds such as power or condi, condi or power bunker, support etc.

And these December changes to the guard show how out of touch the design is.

I doubt ill come back to play, probably just to check in. Ascended grind carrot, lowest tier of health, no soft CC for the most melee oriented class in the game, all because of conquest “hold the point”. As soon as another mode comes out that doesn’t require holding a point maybe the deficiencies in my favorite class will be addressed. By that time though some other “next gen” MMoS will be out, and I’m afraid gw2 will meet the statute of my limitations.

I don’t even recognize the names on this forum anymore. All the old timers are basically gone or rerolled.

Ill check back in, in a few more months. Given this years direction of the game, I don’t have hope.

Sad day.

Good news then!

Newer MMOs are on the way and there are tons out there right now. Since Anet had no problem doing a bait and switch with their original design and what we’ve since then got (vertical progression, item grind as content) I have zero qualms about dropping my dedication to the game.

As should anyone who doesn’t like the direction the game is going and feels misled from what we were originally sold.

That’s ironic; if they had brought them back I’d have felt the same. Well I already do regarding other changes.

You can still get them.

No clarification needed. They aren’t back and you can still get them on the TP.

Still quite a bit left too! I recommend saving up they are quite pricey.

And because of that my guardian is shelved. Because I’ve invested nearly all my play time (and gear) into him, and because it would take months to get an alt equally geared, I’m jut shelving the entire game.

gG Anet.

Despite the fact that a massive amount of our tool tips aren’t updating with traits? This patch is “meh”.

It’s also kind of indicative of the attention shown to our class.

Ill check in monthly at this point to see the sorry kitten state of the class but I’m no longer playing. mainly to collect on any sales pending. Vertical progression, lame duck classes pigeon holed into specific builds isn’t exactly the game I thought I’d be playing.

Still one mode of pvp over a year later, conquest, and its why we can’t have nice things.

If I wanted to play a kitten dps in a vertical progression game I’d go play a plethora of other MMOs that not only do it better, but design their content around that

There are lots of good reasons many guardian vets have vanished.

Warriors got a new car and a computer. Guardians got a stuffed bear.

So while they both got presents, there is this little thing called disparity.

The moment a new pvp mode comes out that doesn’t revolve around conquest capturing a point, guardians may finally get some soft CC for their dps spec.

This “balance” patch was exactly like expected. Keep buffing the already strong classes while idling those in need of help.

Fjandi.2516:

Marquie Thomas.1873:

gold is not hard to make man

Lol go tell that to pvp players. Some of you guys are silly.

Because you can use these skins in pvp, amirite? Pvp players care about skins outside of pvp? Doesn’t that make them… Pve?

The skins are available still on the TP.

Skins are still there guys. You can get them right now.

Anet would make more money by not releasing them again. Period. Why? Gems>gold conversion due to the prices set by the players.

It would be illogical to release them again; specially when the store said they would be gone forever.

Those numerous reasons being that:

The skins are still available and the ones for sale are held by long term players who have likely invested more into the game (and store) than those who don’t have the skins, for whatever reasons. Rereleasing skins would actually hurt players who have a vested interest in the game, while those crying for them to be released again are newer players (spent less in store) or those who refuse to pay the gold (and since they are so frugal they probably don’t spend in store either).

Why should Anet poo on their spenders to appease the entitled cheapskates?

/ponder

So their online dolls can be so pretty? How cute.

Let’s put it this way: if they do bring them back it will drastically drop any value associated with RNG chests and limited skins, for me at least. I imagine quite a few other people would be less inclined to spend money on the store in the future since after all, it will come around later anyways.

Kal Spiro.9745:

No, that’s a bullkitten excuse. RNG automatically negates everything about a reasonable argument because RNG isn’t reasonable. Not everyone has the ability to get something.

Your example is utter trash as well. Why? Because I guarantee you that you got baseball cards from that pack. Maybe you didn’t get the card you wanted, but in every single pack of cards you did in fact get cards. There was no guarantee of getting a skin, that you wanted or otherwise, therefore there is no comparison.

RNG isn’t reasonable to you, your subjective opinion invalidates your argument.

Also the example is not trash, your logical skills are. You also got items out of those boxes you opened, they may not have been what you wanted but you still got items.

Owned.

Selfish entitled players want everything and don’t think it’s fair that prestige items exist that they can’t get. Except they can: the skins are still availble on the TP.

Oh the cost is too high? So it’s greedy selfish entitled players who are also misers. Nice.

I don’t think the skins from last year should return unless they are made craft able and bind in acquire.

Other than achievement skins there is very little in the game that rewards someone for being a longtime player. Exclusive holiday skins are a great way to show others you’ve been around for a while, years down the road. Anyone can still acquire the achievement skins.

If Anet doesn’t want to give players a way to show their longevity via exclusive time limited skins that’s fine. They also shouldn’t expect veteran players to stick around either when the next mmo comes out. If every new player can come along and get the same look of a 3-4 year vet, there is no prestige. The high cost in the TP reflects paying for a prestige that is no longer available any other way. This is just like antiques.

I personally don’t think the skins should come back, specially the scythe staff and the greatsaw. For those crying about them; they are still available on the TP. Unless of course your real concern is the price- and that makes YOU the selfish one.

Who cares? The only people crying about it are those who had no problems mooching on the population by being less effective in combat for more rewards than those who were strong armed into picking up the slack.

My sympathy well |_|
It runneth dry.

Oh look. This this thread.

TL:DR
MF moocher gets forced into being on the same economic level as everyone else and the one set that had some semblance of not being a completely selfish set wasn’t changed to compensate THEM.

Cause its all about them.

greedy selfish players expect sympathy from players they used to mooch from, more at 11z

For the most part the replies in this thread read like some addicts in AA who are getting their primary fix juuuuust fine and all is good.

People complaining are like the addicts who have gone a while without their fix, and try to get things changed to be more along what provides the fix.

Same shades, different tint.

I like the game but its certainly not the only one I play, and I find myself logging in less and less. What made it stand out has been watered down and now its just like all the other beers in the cooler.

The Gates Assassin.9827:

If RPers can do this, so can you.

(Tarnished Coast)

1. Not all on TC are RPere considering its a top 5 NA wvwvw server.
2. Possibly half the people on the map were guests, like every time I try to go to FGS or any other event where guests force players off their own kitten homes.

Nice job on bein a condescending priq to RPers though.

Foghladha.2506:

Let me make this simple.

99.9% of the content in Guild Wars 2 is Easy Mode

For over a year now those of us that like a challenge have not found it in Guild Wars 2. Since this patch .1% of the content in Guild Wars 2 actually is designed for us that like a challenge.

If you don’t want challenge you have 2 options. 1: Play the rest of the content in Guild Wars 2, or 2: Play FreeRealms. That might be more your speed.

It’s about time that we have a HARD dragon to kill. The fact he died in the first day actually means he’s not only killable but he might be too easy. I spent 2 years trying to kill the Glimmerking in DAOC before we finally killed him. A hard fight is a remembered fight.

Let me make this simple:
If you find 99% of the content too easy perhaps a harder game is more for you than having the Devs create content that less than 5% of the players can actually beat.

Instead is being a condescending priq ill just suggest that if you wanted harder content you could run around naked or something. Instant challenge.

I’d love to have you in my wvwvw group.
Seems like overkill for pve though!

Warrior or thief for wvwvw if roaming.
Guard for pve or wvwvw zerging.
Guard for pvp bunker, thief for pvp roamer.

Why not do all 3? It’s what has allowed me to get past some of the deficiencies I’ve recently noticed with certain classes in certain roles. (Guard and wvwvw/pvp roaming)