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nice nice

but as you say irenio,
the active skills of pets are supposed to be stronger.

so i guess it would be nice/fair to add some blind to this field.
when you nerf the assault in the other hand you should think about make the field more then just a combo field for the player.

please delete druid.

so all the babys can play celestial ele, mesmer/thief combo or soldier engi again.
because that need so much skill that babys can play it.

maybe that’s also the reason we can see so much cry topics in this forum when things get changed.

buffs like: spirits can MOVE again!
buffs like: we can throw traps again, since guard traps are anyways much better!
buffs like: dodge range on the dagger 4 can heave the old smooth nice range again!
buffs like: spirits don’t die like kittens on active skills!
buffs like: sic em, guard, protect me get somehow useful!
buffs like: SHORTBOW become useful somehow again!
buffs like: offhand axe 5 => you can run when use this useless crap

i forget something?

just think about that when you decide to hard nerf druid, since that’s the only and last chance to heave a place in this broken meta with ranger.

not ranger heave BROKEN the meta.
that was your ugly other professions which you decided to overbuff.
like ele for example.

it’s pretty interesting.

every time when a random noob create a topic about a sepcific ranger nerf in the pvp section.
it takes around 1-2 days and you can see exatly this nerfs in the patch description.

1 pet qq on pvp section => hard pet dmg nerf and hard pet range nerf (bm ranger)
1 sprit ranger qq on pvp section => some days later first spirit nerfs, followed by more
1 smokescale qq on pvp secition => 2 day later smokescale hard nerf
1 lingering light qq on pvp section => lingering light hard nerf

etc etc. there is for sure more.
every time ranger gets good in pvp they nerf it verry fast down.

of course anet don’t want to get ranger players viable in pvp.
in the same time it hurts ranger for pve aswell, but maybe they don’t want rangers to get viable anywhere.

but this thief/mesmer combo and celestial ele cheese can faceroll for one year.

12 seconds, how kittened is that please?

ok, now just make lingering light how it was on the beta please.
sayed it before, the beta version was fine.

i don’t need random blind every 12 seconds, i want the HEAL

nice to see it get changed back.

but WHY the hell you need to nerf smoke assault AGAIN for this?!!!?

stop this ridiculous over nerfing on ranger allready.
thought it gets better.
but no, instantly when druid become viable in pvp you need to destroy lingering light.

and now you want to nerf on the smokescale again just because of f2 ability change?!?!
i say you something, let us use both active skills of the pets or create a second smokescale, easy!

need to bring it up.

please give us the active use of a smoke field back. it opens such nice tactics.
there is three good ideas around in this forum which would solve this issue…

1.) make f1 and f3 to attack and come back on one button so we can use f3 as second pet ability, problem on nearly all pets solved.

2.) let us choose between the two pet abilitys which one we want to use on f2 .
as example smokescale between the revenant attack or the smokefield.

3.) create a second smokescale pet, so one can heave the old f2 ability.

smokescale was the best pet ever created, don’t leave it this way.

thank you irenio, you are a true ranger!

shortly i lost my mind and thought all the bad past rotations happens again for ranger.
but actually i can say im verry happy.
(exept of smokescale f2)

it looks like ranger is rising to a good spot with irenio, for pve and pvp.
don’t listen to other ranger hater (devs) and we keep love you :P

there was to much ranger trash the last years (spirit unbound removed, be able to throw traps removed, dagger 4 dodge range reduced etc.)

but with druid it starts to look good again, even when things like spirits and most shouts still feel verry bad

haha of course Nier jumps into such a topic and don’t even read.

always up for some ranger hate, hmm?

thanks god you are alive irenio!

i can’t tell you how happy i’m about to see this post from you here.
but please also don’t forget to put the smokefield back on smokescale f2.

it was much more fun and sence the old way

haha

yes that’s a nerf we need.
come one roy where are you.

swing your hammer.

mistsim.2748:

I like to use the f2 to stack might with WHaO.

Ragnar.3916:

a player is down you switch to smoke scale and stealth him by using the pet f2 ability and blast from yourself or time it with a blast from team mates, guardian focus 5 could work for example.

this is completely unrealistic in a real pvp scenario. completely. the only use for this field is blasting it before the fight so the team doesn’t have to run a thief (they got deleted from pvp apparently, Karl has some ’splainin to do).

haha why is that unrealistic, we managed to do that

at least making a second smoke scale like
Gilgalas says in his topic would be the perfect step.

everybody would be happy.

sry but how can you like the f2 change.

you ever thought about what amzing things you could do with an active smoke field in pvp? in pve it was anyways clearly better.
guess not.

take your birds if you want to time bursts.
thy are anyways now better again if you focus on that.

some short examples of verry useful smoke field use:
a player is down you switch to smoke scale and stealth him by using the pet f2 ability and blast from yourself or time it with a blast from team mates, guardian focus 5 could work for example.
you could stealth your downed team mate and get him up, this could decide the win of a teamfight and thief will be not the only one who can do that.

you can also stealth your team before enter a teamfight.

or switch to the pet use the f2 fast and leap trhow to disengage.
so much skilled easy gameplay with that.

and NOW, wow you can use the f2 to “burst” what a joke you are talking about

it’s clearly worse, wtf?

before you was able to blast stealth.
and now you just can use this burst attack, then i can just go back to birds if i want that.

this “revenant attack” was fine when the pet do it by himself
nn to time that when i can’t time the smoke field any more!

well if you like f2 burst just use birds.
they even offer burst + blind or chill on f2.

smokescale was made for heave a active smoke field.
and it was amazing for pvp and pve.

don’t need to be an “esports ranger” for that to make it verry useful on active play!
pretty easy to stealth with that when ever you want.

guess you don’t thought about what all you can do with this in pvp aswell?
stealth downed players for one example!

and for pve it was a dream for al lot of rangers to heave a field to blast stealth i guess

smokescale f2 change.
look into the ranger forum and you see what “bug” you created with this, thanks!

if they would be fair,
they would give it to rangers.

but i don’t think so,
because of reasons nobody understand, ranger hate or something, no idea!

so much peoples confirmed something like this undeserved nerfs happens and sad how they was true.

nice!

now you nerfed the dmg, thats fine.

can you please switch back the f2 skill to how it was before, because it makes much more sence to time the smokefield instead of heave it random now.

and before nerfing around on ranger look to your other professions first, just saying!

i don’t care any more.

thanks to lure all ranger players with amazing things in the beta and destroy ALL of them after each other now. stupid traitor devs!
sry but there is nothing else more to say. that’s CLEARLY ranger hate!

i call back every positive feedback from my side, everything is bad now.
bad work on ranger like always!!!

how stupid must you devs be to switch the active play of stealth on the smokescale to passive random use!?

i’m done, seriously on some point it gets enough.
first you destroy druid and now you destroy the best designed pet!

just delete everything instantly before nerf every day something.
how annoying is that please.

thanks irenio to say nothing to all this stupid decisions

thought the same,

nerfing the kitten out of druid and then i should
farm 400 hero points for this.

sadly i like my asura ranger and i like my sylvari ranger aswell.
should i do this boring pve for both now just to heave all traits/class mechanics viable on them!!!!???

reading through all this makes me feel bad
for testing druid tonight… Oo

was clear that druid will not stay amazing like in the beta.
guess they want every druid to force using staff…

the beta version of Lingering Light was also better for most not staff using builds i guess.
but need to test tonight Oo

at least, for pvp, mesmer will anyways rule everything untill the next balance patch…
i’m interested to see ranger back there, but well… lets see how much cheese will run around the next days

i can’t get really hyped from this, i dont know…

positive of this skill now:
it does what it should do (finaly again), healing allies. good for raids ofc i guess.

negative of this skill:
it dies when you use the rez for a downed player and go on huge cooldown.
spirits at all can’t follow any more.

this two negatives makes spirits a boring spawn to get passives
pve only mechanic.
you lose the active play because they die if you do that (how stupid is that please)
they can’t follow, just bad when a fight moves to an other positon out of spirits range.

overall:
spirits was amazing one year ago and suck now.
95% dmg reduce would fit perfect to the old spirit system

nice!

but why spirits still can’t move
give it back to us!

why make it so hard.

take some cele eles and maybe a soldier engi, works much better.
what should rangers do against this outsustain/outroaming
and aswell easy to play mechanics?

3 eles, one thief or mesmer and a soldier engi.
you heave your perfect soloq comp with no need to communicate

or maybe ranger players became so good from this 1 year beeing the worst profession
that they start to shine in random soloq matches now :P

why can eles use mistform in downstate? (well i know eles are nearly never in downstate this days so nobody notice maybe)

why i can’t i safe stomp a ele, mes, thief with stability in downstate?

why is ranger the worst profession in pvp and can’t make it into a competitive team since 1 year?

Now I am not here to complain as it may seem, I am seeking the knowledge: WHY??

thanks

nice changes there
but i may ask to bring back spirits unbound for rangers with this please.

moving spirits for pve:
with this changes moving spirits should work verry well in pve,
i guess they are nearly never targeted by mobs and can survive verry good even when they stay near to the ranger now? (also because of druid, (would heave been amazing with the old version of lingering light, but ok…))
at least, it’s much more fun to use spirits when they follow and you can time the active skills on the right moment if you need them (things like blind, but for that they should stop dying from this)

moving spirits for pvp/wvw:
a lot of rangers asking to get moving spirits back for pvp/wvw and i can just say,
just bring it back, i see no reason to don’t let them move in player vs player situations.
and it would open more builds diversity for rangers and make shortbow a viable weapon again.

there is no real reason to be annoyed by ranger spirits as long peoples are ok with mesmer clones, it’s way more hard to deal with this then with ranger spirits.
every ai can move exept of spirits, they don’t even attack, please just think shortly about this, there is/was no sense to remove spirits unbound

sry for off topic, but this dmg reduce for ai in pve makes me feel like spirits unbound should still exist

Irenio CalmonHuang.2048:

This was the systemic change to help with pet survivability that I’d alluded to earlier.

I’ll be listening for feedback on the changes to see how the 95% damage reduction feels and whether we need to tweak the numbers some more.

that’s verry nice, thanks!
but with this changes it’s time to bring back spirits unbound please

“Lingering Light: This trait has been re-worked. Instead of its former behavior, when you heal an ally their next outgoing attack will heal them (based upon your healing) and blind their target.”

this trait change sounds like a nerf for me, before it was better in my opinion.
on discription it sounds still nice but in practice i fear it’s worse.

the beta version with the wisp circles you for 5 seconds was much better.
simply because it was up for 5 seconds healing you, allys and the pet without the need to attack.
in the same time you was able to build up celestial avatar faster with it.
and of course the shiny wisp arounding you looks nice.

now, with this changes you just heal every 6 seconds(?) for one time.
comparing this to the beta version of this trait, where a wisp arounded you for 5 seconds and healed you and allies without the need to attack for 5 seconds…
make it look verry bad for me.
at least you can random blind with it…

but lets see when it’s out, this change is made allready so…
to late to test it because no second beta weekend for ranger and engi.

the rest looks good, but not to much interesting changes for
ranger in pvp i guess.
now it depends on what they change on the old skills and traitlines,
spirits, traps and shouts…
that’s 3 skill types on ranger and all of them are bad to useless actually…

epoc, you are right.

i even think anet should change the ranger downstate to this:
the player is losing the ability to controll the pet.
after that, the pet is starting to attack the ranger player.

reason behind this change:
the pet sees that his master is weak and wants to take the lead.

i just don’t understand how our pets not started to attack us after the hard ranger (to useless) nerfs 1 year ago allready.
well, i guess our pets are just really true friends and keep helping us in downstate.

that’s how it works and that’s how it should works.
ele, mesmer and thief downstates even decide about winning or losing a teamfight in some key situations when you heave to stability stomp them…, haha.

i heave to say thanks to irenio aswell, that’s the best ever could happen to ranger players, well done

now just please don’t touch the druid trait line negative

most of the traits work well on different builds.
especially all the middle ones are verry useful.

druid with spirits could be a verry nice support based build for rangers and a lot of fun to play i guess.

but only
if you let spirits move again.
and make them like they was 1 year ago.

(not die when use active.
use active when die.
sun spirit cast time is fast like before (to time blind better))

spirits as they work now are completly useless to be honest.
something needs to happen with them aswell…

and now since we get druid i feel like moving spirits could open a nice ranger build based around druid heals and spirits to give passive support.
i guess that would be great to play and fits the druid verry good.

ps: thanks irenio for the druid trait line, it’s amazing

just nerf it to heaven before beta starts.

so i don’t need to waste time on brainstorming about builds get nerfed one day after release anyways.

that’s how to deal with rangers, don’t let it escape from jail!

no surprise to the nerf.
don’t even started to try to create builds around this heal.

that’s how to counterplay rangers.
just go to the forum and qq a bit.

Seyiwaji.4082:

Ragnarox is right, Anet always tried to keep quickness to low time.
As a mesmer using boon removal, i don’t care but something is wrong there.
It is not how Anet is doing things. So i guess you can expect some change soon or later.

soon,
because it’s ranger and we all know what happens if some monkeys lose one time vs a ranger.

everybody is so used to easy beat rangers or even don’t see any one in tournaments.
it must hurt so hard to lose one time vs one after this patch

but well, who cares if they nerf we heal as one back,
just wait untill druid will be playable on the weekend,
we can expect a lot of qq and a lot of call for nerfs on ranger/druid.
and after that we can expect nerfs.

@ragnarox:
as i see you like to play guardian a lot,
guardians received a verry good shield buff on this patch,
i ask myself why no ranger should complain about the nice shield buffs on guardian,
because this buffs make shield a verry good counterplay to projectiles and to most ranger builds running around.

so stop throwing stones on other professions
when your own profession get a pretty good shield buff on this patch aswell.

thanks for the good joke
at least ranger need skill and don’t hide behind clones, ports and stealth.

hopefully rangers get super strong with druid,
so the hole forum can cry like babys again, looks like a lot of peoples are not used and know how to deal with rangers.

actually the counterplay vs ranger for most peoples look like:
go into the forum and cry hard as possible when a ranger beats you.

a lot of players with some specific professions had a to long time where there lovely professions was to much on the top of the meta.

the ranger profession is not used in esl since one year and is the weakest one compared to the other professions.
so… looks like all ranger players had to play better since one year now to receive some win/reward in pvp.
i guess that was a good training, so the time to farm mesmers like you will come some day again, haha.. :P
but wait, you mesmers get chronomancer, kitten it…

sry but i can’t take any ranger qq topic serious before druid will come out,
and even then it’s hard to take most peoples serious in ranger topics, because this forum over react every time when it’s about ranger.

but well keep your crying, because it simply works and is the best counterplay.
just look what happend with spirits, crying works pretty good vs rangers, thats a verry good counterplay :P

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Greatsword #4 Counterattack and Greatsword #5 Hilt Bash need to have the same range. They read as the same range but this is not true when actually using Hilt Bash.
If Hilt Bash had the same range as Counterattack, Rangers could stream attack combos much more easily.

Sword #2 ~ After the first click which jolts you backwards, the time interval that allows you to wait before needing to do the second click, should be increased. This would allow a Ranger greater time to untarget, face a direction and jolt away with the second click jolt forward. This would help the Ranger with it’s disengagement and give a viable choice over Greatswords.

Axe Off-Hand #5 ~ Increase the radius of effect baseline, proportionately to how it was pre 6/23/2015 with the old trait that reduced off-hand recharge and increased off-hand range. Axe Off-Hand was actually viable then.

Skirmishing ~ Trapper’s Expertise and Strider’s Defense need to swap their positions so that condi specs can run both Sharpened Edges and Trapper’s Expertise.

Traps ~ Remove the arming time or significantly boost the DPS of traps. Right now traps are a joke compared to Ele fire rings, Purging flames and all of the other enormous fast casting condi splash AoE available to other classes.

Empathic Bond ~ Change this to: Removes 1 condition every 3 seconds. Here is why: After the DPS creep and condi patch, the current Empathic Bond of removes 3 conditions every 10 seconds is too slow vs. the strength of condi bursting, especially burn stacking. It’s often that a Ranger will die after a condi burst before 10 seconds are up to cleanse his condis. 1 condition every 3 seconds would be a more practical approach at this point, especially vs. burning.

Pets Remastered ~ Pets need a serious overhaul. The only useful pets in spvp are wolf/drakehound and sometimes hyena/spiders. The CCs are critical for success as a Ranger in pvp and not enough pets have CCs. This renders large majority of pets completely useless. Either up the damage of some of the non-CC pets or give them CCs.

~ With the above changes, Ranger could be viable in meta.

yep, i agree with all of them.
+ traps must be able to throw again
+ Spirits need to follow and don’t die on active skills again
+ dagger 4 dodge range need to get increased back to the old traited range again

axe 5 would be better when rangers could run when casting it, like engis can do…

to some responses:

i made this video because sometimes i get instantly 6 -12 burning stacks while fighting around the ring of fire, by don’t touching the red line.

in my view i’m not crossing the ring of fire,
but get punished by this 6-12 instant burning stacks by not doing a real mistake.

in this video i stack 48 burning stacks by only touching 2 times the ring of fire (i failed),
but the rest of stacks i was just “close” to it.
of course it’s also a problem about the hit box and different character sizes,
but i play a normal sized human/sylvari there.

you can also try to run around a ring of fire and just be close to the red line.
on some unlucky movement (i guess when you don’t run a perfect circle aroudn it)
you can stack verry fast burning, because it counts as running in and out (we are still just near the red line, not crossing or touching it)

edit:
don’t to forget that players sometimes get 6 burning stacks instead of only 3 burning stacks by running out of the ring of fire,
this happens if you don’t cross it just smooth in a direct line forward.
so you will enter again (outside the red line) a area that counts as running throw ring of fire and get 6 instead of only 3 burning stacks…

is it supposed to work like this?
or is this actually a bug?

enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCxlFf6Ad54

it’s getting boring to be out of the meta since 1 year now.

and why the hell you even nerf traps and spirits again.
spirits can’t follow and die when you use the active skill, WTF are you serious?!
don’t be able to throw traps anymore is also a big joke!

main ranger players also payed for your game, think about that, thanks…!

(don’t to forget the off hand dagger dodge range is still a joke)

ranger < everything in gw2

“no kidding”

finaly we see the potential of all this mesmer players who was in the shadows in the past,
finaly they can shine.

to play a mesmer you need also really much player skill, every mesmer player says that, so it must be true!

(…really what a stupid invis and npcs spamming clown profession actually…)

so, pls buff it more and more!
same with d/d ele, this professions are so super weak and need harder buffs in future, so every pve player can instantly go pvp and play them successfully

rangers was allready completly useless for 1 year now, before this patch.
there was just no place for rangergameplay in competitive pvp.
allot good ranger players just left the game in this time, for me that says enough.

with this patch now,
ranger becomes completly useless,
playing as a ranger feels so super weak now, i mean ranger was not good before the patch, but at least you was able to do something, with this patch it feels like rangers just exist to get first targeted and killed fast.

i would say anet should start to think about removing this profession finaly,
so players don’t need to waste time trying to find working builds for this profession any more.

all builds around for rangers are just tryhard builds,
it’s much better to take an other profession and do twice better then you can do with every existing ranger build at the moment.

at least, just look what they did to the ranger profession with this patch.
that’s allot of nerfs and changes make some builds completly no fun to play anymore.

TRAPS: you can’t throw them any more and they need some seconds to be placed on the ground. that means also healing spring need some seconds before you can blast it now, that’s a nerf when you want to leap away and use healing spring fast to blast on the second leap

SPIRITS: they can’t follow you any more, for me that breaks completly the fun to use this (into the ground nerfed) build and makes them also completly useless now.
i still ask myself why peoples was so in hate to this 2 single spirit npcs in pvp.
look on mesmer, there you heave annoying npcs in pvp.

OFF HAND TRAINING: the nice old dagger dodge range and torch flame range just don’t exist in a single trait any more.

CONDI REMOVE WITH EMPATHIC BOND: you can completly forget to use this trait to remove condis at the moment, because your pet just dies ins seconds with this new condi stacking,
for example you heave 2 stacks of burning on yourself and your pet got this 2 stacks of burning also, because of some aoe burning skills,
when the pet starts to remove this 2 stacks of burning from you, then it will heave 4 stacks of burning and some other condis of course, that means your pet dies verry fast

NATURAL VIGOR (50% in the past): im not sure but if im right it’s nerfed again from 25% to 20% vigor regeneration. i never understood this hard endurance nerfs on the ranger profession which is forced to survive by dodging verry well.
i also ask myself, why the hell other professions can dodge allot more times then a ranger can do + other survive mechanics like ports, invulnerable etc.
would be a good idea to buff natural vigor back to the old 50% and i’m sure it would not make rangers to a super strong dodge machine.

there is more points to speak about what is wrong about ranger, because there is 75% working wrong on this profession and it get worse with erver patch, but

of course there is some interesting changes and buffs on ranger aswell
some interesting new traits and shouts are a bit better now.
but every profession got nice changes like this, even more

so i’m pretty sure, ranger will stay the last profession for another 1 year.

Helly.2597:

SobeSoul.6910:

And if you are using churning earth against your opponents you are pretty much saying “you are bad”.

In 1v1s I always call it the disrespect churn. If I’m using it against you, its me saying I don’t think you’ve got a brain in there.

or it can also mean your profession heave the match up, doesn’t matter how stupid you play.

this low meta is just one of the many steps to let this game die more and more <3

nerf the kitten out of engis and elementalists, thanks

yes maybe it’s time to nerf ele and engi allready.
to many noobs get carried verry hard by this two professions.

zero fun to see double ele, double engi teams faceroll everything.
must be verry well balanced…

this two professions perform much to good right now, so shave this crap.
even the king op professsion warrior struggle with this two.

Evan Lesh.3295:

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yes that’s you guys -.-