Guild Wars 2

I used my steal to steal all of the gold, so arena net has to nerf it. THOUSAND BLADES OP.

SOMEONE EXPLAIN. I just want to be able still do 1vX..

Zepidel.5349:

MUG is BEYOND OP name a single class that has a 10 point trait that can add up to 8k damage (yes if your in fuller zerker gear it will crit for 8k) to an ability thats instant cast.

Go ahead name one.

thief

Rome.3192:

There are not going to be any nerfs that affect your gameplay in the near future. The one nerfed talked about on the SoTG only hampers the perma-stealth build’s playstyle. If you like the class, stick with it. ANet is not going to make a class completely unviable.

Debatable…They have been saying they will help the warrior class be more viable and meta for spvp or pvp period. And what do they do? reduce a cooldown on sword…and makes banners multitarget……………………….wtf…………………..

Karolis.4261:

Jinks.2057:

Red Falcon.8257:

Good Thieves are completely unaffected by Mug/Stealth nerf.
Ok maybe I will feel less guilty when I kill people as it won’t be as faceroll easymode as it is now perhaps.

Define what you say is a good thief please.

I see a lot of people say this but never actually say what a good thief is

The one that actually doesnt play it.
And for the poster before, yes good thiefs will be affected by stealth nerf. Chaining CnD was a common tactic between x/d thiefs to relocate from one side of zerg to other, now that will be impossible.

yes. 1vX is now impossible…..thanks Anet.
i say we bring back the whole thing from beta, “HUNDRED BLADES OP NURF NAOW”
Thousand blades 2 stronk………….

WAIT. So you can stack CnD now?! yay! so you can stack it, but you just cant come out of stealth or youll get revealed?

Falunel.7645:

Dasorine.1964:

tbh it will mostly hurt cheesers and people that used chain stealths in PvE for certain situations.

No more dredge bomb tunnel goodness because some idiots in WvW got killed by 1 attack every 3 seconds and couldn’t work out that stealth isn’t invincible while stealthed….

That one attack can rip over 60% health off a non-glass, level 80 guardian. Sure, you can heal… then you get hit by it again. And again. And again.

While such thieves are glass and vulnerable to slamming the ground around you with AoE controls (how I shook off such thieves who thought I was an easy meal), not all classes have access to such skills- many, such as mesmer clones, require a target to activate, and stealthing throws off targetting. Even when you do have them, it’s hard to think under OH GOD WHAT JUST ATE NEARLY ALL MY HEALTH UGH

Blame the people who reduced thief play to 111115111151111511115, not the uplevels and non-eles they feasted on.

Actually… Nerfing Cnd seems to reduce the skill. Alot of the skill in fights usually seem to come from choosing when to CnD defensively or offensively . I liked it that way :]

Falunel.7645:

Olba.5376:

Falunel.7645:

The issue with that playstyle is that, with culling, stealth artificially lasts several extra seconds, giving the thief plenty of time to spam other attacks before stealthing again, and you don’t necessarily have to be inside a zerg for the problem to appear (or rather, not appear). So you could say it’s more of a culling issue rather than a stealth issue, and it might have been wiser for them to simply remove culling and wait to see how it affects thief play rather than removing culling AND nerfing stealth. Which I would have agreed with, seeing that, as you said, actually backstabbing prevents you from chainstealthing.

Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not saying that the stealth nerf here is a good thing. For one, it makes the Thief fall damage trait much less useful, because you can be forced into Revealed by someone with a knockback off a small cliff. Similarly, there’s a 10 point trait in the Trickery line that gives stealth when you take more than 10% of your maximum HP in damage.

It also makes it much harder for thieves to get away from unfavorable situations, because they won’t be able to restealth by using CnD on a random mob.

That was not an argument against you… merely an agreement and a clarification.

I feel that removing culling is enough of a nerf as is to backstab thieves, one that doesn’t impact thieves who use stealth legitimately, without exploiting culling. I personally would have agreed with them if they had said, “We’re going to remove culling, but we’ll wait and see how that affects thief play before we change the class itself.” I also feel that if the issue was backstab thieves, then it could have been dealt with more effectively by lowering the damage of backstab. That, again, would have solved a balance issue without negatively impacting people who didn’t use that build.

Stealth is annoying. So is an elementalist’s mobility or a warrior’s burst damage. All three are important to their classes and shouldn’t be unduly nerfed. The issue with stealth is that it can be used to exploit culling, which gives an unintended advantage. Thus, removing culling alone should fix things.

My original post meant to highlight that a problem did exist. However, that problem was not stealth, but culling and people who abused it to make themselves uncatchable, to annul the Revealed debuff that results from attacking. Under the cover of culling, they were able to continue attacking until the debuff wore off and they could restealth and backstab again. The best counter to backstabs is to kill or evade the thief while he/she is visible- however, you can imagine how difficult this can be when the thief is never visible. Thus, because this was an unintended advantage (i.e. an exploit) it was never a L2P problem and thus not the fault of the people who got ganked. It was because of the actions of the thieves who abused culling that thieves as a whole will suffer.

I’ve derailed this topic enough, so if you want any further clarifications, PM me.

This guy is correct imo. thanks. go tell Anet this.

Caedmon.6798:

Rainbow.3496:

So three days ago, i decided to make a thief. I got him to 80 and dumped 350g into him. Then today, i heard that thief is getting “ruined”. or some big boy nerfs are coming…. Can anyone elaborate or link me to a post that says anything about this….heavily dissapointed.

Every class is getting balanced one way or the other.Why are you asking btw,did you just google for the most Op build in gw2,came up with the thief perm stealth build to spam the same skill over an over,now find out its being balanced and you kinda regret it all ? Just keep on playing the game…

no……… just using a BS build………. And i feel it necessary to double or even triple CnD when in outnumbered fights. I dont understand while they are nerfing Cnd. Nerf the damage,not the mechanics. I dont appreciate you being snobby…just wanted some answers 0.o

i dont wanna start arguments. But i agree with what both of you are saying. i think they should fix culling. Tbh, when i play on other charrs, i have no issue with thieves .i think its a bit of a L2play issue. they should remove culling and IF they needed to nerf SOME damage where they see fit. I love being able to stealth twice, i find it very crucial when fighting more than one opponent. they shouldnt nerf stealth. thats silly.

so its garunteed thing?

can you point me to a post about this?

So three days ago, i decided to make a thief. I got him to 80 and dumped 350g into him. Then today, i heard that thief is getting “ruined”. or some big boy nerfs are coming…. Can anyone elaborate or link me to a post that says anything about this….heavily dissapointed.

Make it happen Arena Net.

………thieves are not underpowered I’m pve, or overpowered anywhere…….. How is being able to reset and regen constantly underpowered. You can also double CD if you need more health. I don’t understand people whining about thief being bad in pve, or being OP in pvp. Just leave the class alone. Anet will watch and kitten the class even more.

Aberrant.6749:

Svarty.8019:

Aberrant.6749:

See… I took that more as them all thinking “they just need to l2p against these classes then… why would we balance for such low skill level gameplay?”

To which I would reply that they should balance for such low skill level gameplay because the thieves themselves can be more effective than most other classes with less skill.

EDIT: In fact, the devs say as much right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0togRMEc_o#t=41m06s

What you’re complaining about is basically that not all classes have the same initial learning curve.

This is actually done on purpose to help new players feel like they can hop in a game and have a chance. Complaining about this is like some one complaining about how e-hondas 100h slap or an auto-shotgun in CS just owned them. They are just FOO tatics. Once you learn how to counter these tatics they are easy to deal with.

The guy even says something akin to as a vet this isn’t a problem for me… it’s only new players that have this problem. I also don’t have problems with thieves ganking me from spawn in PvP on any of my classes… because I know how to counter it easily. It didn’t take me long to figure out how either. I could explain the tatics used to counter the thief on the classes I play to the noob to help the person he’s talking about and the noob could pratice with those.

Many other classes have better higher skill gameplay potential than the thief. That’s the downside of foos. That’s why it’s rare you see a thief in a pro team. Same with why you don’t see a vet playing with e-honda or an auto-shotty… there are more powerful tactics available if you choose to practice and learn them.

So the solution? L2P better with your class and you’ll be just fine.

I hope you’ve learned a little bit about game design basics as well ^^

Amen…. I think we can all remember starting out the game and trying to get our legendaries by doing the WvW puzzles. And then your whole party is wiped by one thief. The easiest response , “THIEVES OP”…. The obvious problem with the thief is the argument of “L2P”. I actually recall the same discussion over my class (warrior) and the whole hundred blades issue. Everyone QQs over something because they always die by it and deem it “Op”. After playing for several hundred hours, I’ve realized that thief isn’t OP. it really isn’t even a problem for people that know what they are doing .Anet shouldn’t nerf and dumb down a class just because people whine. Learn to fight the class and then you’ll be fine. If you think thief is SO hard to play against. Go duel your thief friends, take tips, get better. It’s an obvious solution. Don’t ruin the game for all our thief friends just cause you can’t handle it. New players get smashed by thieves , and the vets have no issue and can handle and dismiss it quickly. I wish everyone would understand this.

i laughed at someone saying gaurdians cant last long in fights. Never come in contact with pvp ever then….

i think they havnt added it cause it will add alot of hysteria to the whole, “THIS CLASS OP, THAT CLASS OP” thing. I agree, it should be implemented ASAP. but…you know anet.

i find it hilarious , eles asking for thieves to be nerfed. The Top meta bunker in the game is asking for thief nerfs. Any good ele can OVER surpass any thief. The problem is that ele is high skill cap, while thief is decently low. Watch the pros and you wont complain about your class. Ele can kite entire zergs, go watch Team Solo Player [Solo] or Riot pvp [Riot]. The best thing to do is get better at your class, play more pvp, and duel invaders in WvW. I have literally no problems with thieves, this reminds me of the whole “HUNDRED BLADES OP, NERF WAR NOW” thing at beta. best of luck.

I play duo roam with my brother almost every day. I have many builds i use, but tbh if a warrior is good at glass, you dont need survivability. i dont know you ,or your partners skill lvls, but being a GC warrior roam is very efficent, especially with thieves or other warriors. he can utilize a quickness hammer, or rifle build and be able to burst down multiple opponents quickly. Even with GC warrior i have been able to 1v2 1v4 and such. Again it depends on your playstyle and personal skill lvl. but if you want a challenge i highly reccomend looking up Team Solo Player [Solo] or Riot Pvp [Riot] , as they both have highly skilled roaming warriors. Pm me any questions if you have any.

i honestly think you should be able to make build “pages” in your hero menu. (use gems to buy more pages, heh arena net, heh.) and you can put your builds into pages and it costs you a minimal fee to switch builds, but you dont have to go to the gay trait man to switch traits. BUT ofc you would have to be out of combat. AND YES. legendaries should have this option. since im a commander and like to be tanky and lead and use power toughness and vit, but when im roaming i use power precision crit. so i have to pay like 5-6 gold everytime to switch to change builds…….its ridiculous. My twilight has WIP LASH

endure pain, shield stance, shield stance, OP. GG. HUNDRED SHIELDS.

showatt.9413:

lol this topic is full of warrior hypocrisy.
Warrior needs more option than 100bs? Sorry but if all warrior weapon/ trait are buffed to have the same effectiveness as 100b, it’d be the most overpowered class ever graced a MMO.

You have 1 skill combo that allow you to haste/stun/instant kill pretty much every class in existence from the raw damage alone, not to mention that it BLEEDS. Granted it is an easy to counter skill when 1 vs 1, most matches aren’t about 1 vs 1. Catching a player with his stun break off and 100b is equal to instant win.

Face the truth warriors, you want more option not because 100b isn’t effective, but because you got bored of blasting people using the same cookie cutter build as every other warriors.

Which is perfectly understandable.
But when someone propose a buff to every other weapon traits and a nerf to 100b , everyone loses their mind. Hilarious. All warriors want a buff to their other traits, because they’re so tired of 100b, yet all warriors are not willing to part with 100b because it’s so….. weak? lol.

How cute

You’re either an idiot or a scrub. I think anyone who has played the game for at least a month can dodge a kittening bulrush or shield bash. Your saying that a combo that is the only warriors saving grace is not weak because it can kill any class . Yea, except, for ANY of the thousands of not kitten who can dodge a bullrush. Anyone who thinks that warriors are good where they are have the “L2P” issue pal, not us.

I agree 100% with this whole thread. I only play warrior . It’s my favorite class, I love it. But the mechanics are broken as stated above. Anet, please, Please buff or fix warrior. And not like you ‘fixed’ ranger. Please fix it good. I <3 warrior and I wish the best for it. I DON’T THINK THAT THE ONLY ROLE FOR WARRIORS SHOULD BE COF PATH 1 SPEEDRUNS…

JOHN. were not asking for free precursors. Were asking for tangible ways to actually achieve them. SOMETHING WITH SKILL. gimme a beanstalk and a giant to kill, or a quest or adventure or sumthin. Like the way you approached the RNG aspect of fractal rings, making them purchasable with Pristine relics.

Wait so dont buy it?? And i agree legendaries should be rare yes. They should be LEGENDARY. RNG isnt legendary. thats like, a guy winning a lottery, so legendary. I want it to be obtainable without spending half the cost of the actual cost of the legendary. Thats ridiculous. There shouild be a professional boss, or 1v1 dung mosnter, or some crazy task or quest line you can work on with your friends that is ‘long and hard’ (like my d) that you eventually complete. Not just sit in Cof all day and boom legendary. or get lucky in the MF boom legendary.

ty ty, thats the kind of thing i wanted to hear. some type of response. do you know if they have said anything else anywhere? reading between the lines i believe SOMETHING will come soon.

well im glad someone atleast SAID something about the precursor issue… i finally got 400g and now the kitten precursor is 700g. It kitten me off cause an admin didnt state anything anywhere. it kinda lifts my hopes when they post stuff like this. If they impliment a way to get a precursor, my bets on achievment points, cause Atm, those things be useless.

The price keeps going up. Finally when i think i might be able to afford it, it shoots up more. should i just spend 500g on rares and MF it? or what. took me literally forever to get 500g. i dont see me wanting or trying to make 200g more. what do you think i should do?

agreed. but how else am i suppose to get twilight? it would take ages to farm each individual mat plus the huge waste in using the mystic forge. It would be hellbent if i didnt use the TP.,,,,

your right. thank you for the feedback. i shouldnt let a kittenty part of the game ruin it as a whole.

Ive been working on twilight for quite some time now and finally have gotten the gift of mastery and gift of twilight. NOW the hardest parts. The 666g precursor of satan, and the mystic clovers of death. All the mats would probally cost 400g, and the ectos 200g. thats 1200g!? should i quit while im ahead or just stick it out and make it? Should i pour 400g into The mystic toilet hoping for a precursor? Or just take my 400g and get visions of the mist and the ascended back piece……….. The reason i am just now getting cold feet is something my guildie said. I said " Why arnt you working hard for your legendary?" and he stated," its no use, eventually all the legendaries will drop in price due to the new legends + lack of demand. Should i just wait it out? or slave away and fail school to get 1200g and make it. and plus the scavenger hunt could come out any time. spends 666g, arena net,“HERES THE NEW SCAVENGER HUNT”. advice please….oh please.

tbh legendaries seem not as legendary when on asuras. BUT thats from other peoples perspective. On your screen you can still see it large enough

Psh. Farming in guildwars. that exists :p

winterlove.6834:

well i do the dungeons mostly with teams. and i find myself dieing alot right now im using a exotic hammer for all the aoe but idk somthins messed up with my stats or somthin cause i die far to much

Try A warrior clerics build with a hammer in dungeons. Its a shout heal support build, you will never die. Its useful for dungeons, meta events, and carrying your party through the hell that is the EB jumping puzzle. Search “Supreme Protector” on google. Definatley worth dumping 20 gold on. Fun build. 0/0/30/30/10 , all clerics, Blue ori acc, runes that remove conditions on shouts.

i would like them to change the legendary system into a grand adventure of quests and battles,Something more skill based, not money based. Not months of farming (only to get squat) and trying to play Trade Wars 2.

I agree. gimme meh dusk.

^ agreed. Give us guys who are waiting on just a precursor to complete their legendary some info :/

Rising Dusk.2408:

Dear God 10 tokens to a lodestone. I have upwards of 3000 of several different token types. As much as I’d love to just convert that all into a Volcanus overnight, I don’t think that’s realistic. Maybe a half-stack (125) of tokens for a lodestone, but no less than that.

For the record, I think each dungeon having a different T6 material would actually be a really cool idea in order to encourage players to play the different dungeons. AC: Dust, Arah: Venom Sac, CoF: Totem, etc.

This is the only CORRECT answer. Anet would only make T6’s more available if they got more players to do more of their content, IE more dungeons. This is something Anet would actually do. Plus 20 t’6s a day for 15 min of work is ridiculous.The reason Anet isnt fixing the T6 prices/lodestones/precursors is because i simply believe they are mad. They stated that players were getting legendaries MUCH faster than planned, so i dont think they feel remorse about people saying it will take years and its very hard. I think they actually LIKE to hear these comments.

OH, and Warrior has very high vitality, so stacking vit isnt very viable. UNLESS your going for a power/tough/vit build (which is beast). Even on my zerks build i still have close to 20k hp so vitality isnt an issue.

Well, coming from a solo player. I would advise Precision. I run 3 builds, But my fav is the Power,Pre,Crit build, with the Gsword and rifle. There isnt some all mighty powerful build, the warrior is very versatile and can be played many ways. Just find the way you would like to play him and play it. ^i dont enjoy dual swords, so i stay away from them. Its not that they arnt good, i just dont like the play style.

I played since beta, got to lvl 27 then quit. I come back ,two months later, and got 3 lvl 80’s and cant remember why i quit in the first place. Maybe its because there is so much in the game its overwhelming. But im kicking myself because all i need is the precursor for twilight and missed the lost shores event due to quitting. Dont quit. this games awesome. Level with friends. If you dont wanna complete areas, just do WvW or dungeons with pals, you dont have to rush to 80.

Zerks Gsword/Rifle build is not boring at all XD Imo. But yea, make sure you use the weapon alot if your gonna make a legendary of it. Like who would make underwater Legends, who knows. but…

With the scavenger hunt update being put off for after jan/feb/mar, and dusk being 700g on the TP. What should i do to get my precious precursor?!? Any tips? Should i try the fabled mystic forge? please halp. I have every gift btw, so…. The tension is rising (“urge to kill rising!!!!”)

Warrior is literally extremely versatile. It isnt the best at anything, but great at everything. This game is hard to noobies, so your gonna be unhappy about any class you play as. I even see people complaining about ele. (most OP class NA). Just play whatever class you feel most comfortable playing.

i am a solo player also, i have an 80 warrior, thief, and ele. I also made a guild for solo players like myself. If you want to join, or have any questions, /whisper Kiriyaga

Thanks man, yes i have everything but a dusk so hard.

Lictor Alpha.3724:

RapidSausage.4620:

i’m sorry, ele?? worst pve profession??, what game have you been playing!?

The game were a single NPC can kill me in 3 hits. The game were it takes me 20+ spells to kill a single NPC. The game were a warrior can just pop god mode, argo 10 NPCs, and kill them all in 1 attack. A game were my lvl 11 warrior does more damage with thousand blades then any of my lvl 53 elemental’s spells.

Not to be mean, but you sir are an idiot. Elementalist is literally the most OP profession in the game easily, and by far the highest skill cap (thief is as good but lower skill cap/capabilities). You clearly lack the knowledge of how to build/ what a build is, if you find yourself doing better on warrior anywhere. If your bringing up the whole , “HUNDRED BLADES OP TT”, then i am sad to inform you that if you cant dodge a bull rush, evade a warrior standing still HBing, or an NPC; then this is not the game for you. Please go play more or find out more about your own class before you spew blasphemy on the forums.

shadow man never spawns

With the scavenger hunt update being put off for after jan/feb/mar, and dusk being 700g on the TP. What should i do to get my precious precursor?!? Any tips? Should i try the fabled mystic forge? please halp