Guild Wars 2

Traherne…

THAT’S THE JOKE!

What did the Engineer say to the Tower Guard?

Nothing, because playing any other class was the only way to meet him. HA!

I can’t believe how shallow you all are.

Out of all the problems for the Engineer, which impact that game on a technical standpoint heavily, all of you are more concerned over a backpack than something with meat on it’s bones?

Why is this thread over 500 responses with 40k views but every other thread barely squeaks over 50 of the same problems combined?

If you really think your game has been ruined because you can’t see your “fluffy candy butt” and not because of core game mechanics, I got a line for you.

“You can’t see the forest or the trees”. I’d say “forest for the trees” but that would be giving you all to much credit on critical thinking skills.

We should change grenades into some sort of weapon where you can put the grenades in it and launch them like …. a crossbow. Yeah. We could even call it the Grenade Launch bow or something….

But kitten i’m talking crazy.

This is an old response I made to the champ chest but most of it is still relevant to the state of GW2 now.

Man this mechanic has more problems than a pinto.

Seriously I don’t think there is an acceptable solution to this problem because Anet created some sort of monster. The fact that Anet has gone so far to stand out from all other mmos that in itself creates problems that are squarely unique to this mmo and this one only.

You know this is something that would never happen in a game like EQ2 or other mmos for one simple reason: You’re competing with everyone else already.
You have to complete your own quests for loot, you have find your own loot and you have to work with other people in order to get…more loot.

I think the civility in wow can certainly out-class this game’s community six ways to sundae. (pun). Just solely for the fact that you have play nice with everyone in order to get your loot seems to be a far superior incentive than what guild wars 2 “Every man for himself” motto seems to be.

What good is working together if my loot is no different from your loot off the same mob? Why should I bother completing dynamic events if my reward is less worthwhile than what a newbie at level one would get in any other game? Why should I even care if anyone likes me or not when I can just jump into anything at any time regardless and still get a sweet ride?

The only difference is I have absolutely no reason to care about anyone since I get mine anyway. That’s why there is the most intensive player backlash i’ve ever seen in any mmo.

Anet, you really went too far in wanting to change the face of mmos. You created a game that essentially needs nobody at all. A glorified one player game that happens to have other people in it. A game I would rather play alone because having to conceive the idea of working with other people for no good reason would be a hindrance to my own skills, ability or loot than an asset.

Hey, the only class that has a right to complain about wvw balance are engineers.

Any other arguments are petty and superficial.

Rocketboots anyone?

Help, my combat music never ends no matter where I go.

Seems like SOR is just letting have BG have it’s way with it.

What’s up with that?

There is a dynamic event at a bridge in Kessex hills in which a large group of players can spawn a constant wave of champions during the event. The event is so slow that it could be dragged out as long as 10 mins. Along with a pretty weak level boss, we’re talking about farming that could outstrip Frostgorge and Cursed Shores combined…or at least for 10 mins.

Please do to it like you did Cursed shores and eliminate it.

Thank you.

Myst Dawnbringer.9138:

I got Dawn and a lot of the crap to craft the darn thing. Got most of the clovers just crafting them for the dailies, I think I need 5 more. But I’ve given the whole thing up because I hate Pugging dungeons and don’t feel the need to try and do by myself what was designed for 5 payers can do. I’ve even gone to the dungeon to bite the bullet and try and get into a group, surprise the place is empty. So who cares, obviously not many players in the game are collecting the currency. So I’ll live with out the darn thing. But there is nothing like buying a game with a built in fail. There should be a way to achieve and work hard without having to do the parts of the game your not interested in.

Sorry kid.
It’s called “Effort”. Not “Cherry Picking”.
Sure I wish superpowers and fight crime, but being a police officer is as close to what you want to get to.

It’s so amusing when people realized the futility of achieving to what amounts to a shiny object with no practical functions in a game you’ll move on from in 1-10 years.

Hell at least in other mmos, those trophies can be useful. This more like spending 100 billion on the Mona Lisa. Sure it’s important and nice to look at. But it’s just ink and paper hanging on the wall in reality.

Now if they actually had special benefits other than what amounts to TF2 Hat particle effects, i’d wouldn’t say they are a joke.

Oh and those TF2 hats are also a joke.

You know I recently aquired the Chaos Gun from all the “junk” i’ve been flushing down the mystic toilet and made a cool 250g……

and I don’t care.

That would be something to celebrate like 1 month or further back ago. Now because of all the zerging prices on everything have shot up so much that my gold doesn’t even go as far. I mean if I had that much scratch back then, i’d be rolling in gems which is the only thing worth buying. Now that gems are at an all time high and climbing. 21g for 400, I wouldn’t have enough to buy 20 keys for chest.

Thanks everyone. Thanks for taking my own personal best fortune ever and turning it into the mother of clusterkittens.

Man this mechanic has more problems than a pinto.

Seriously I don’t think there is an acceptable solution to this problem because Anet created some sort of monster. The fact that Anet has gone so far to stand out from all other mmos that in itself creates problems that are squarely unique to this mmo and this one only.

You know this is something that would never happen in a game like EQ2 or other mmos for one simple reason: You’re competing with everyone else already.
You have to complete your own quests for loot, you have find your own loot and you have to work with other people in order to get…more loot.

I think the civility in wow can certainly out-class this game’s community six ways to sundae. (pun). Just solely for the fact that you have play nice with everyone in order to get your loot seems to be a far superior incentive than what guild wars 2 “Every man for himself” motto seems to be.

What good is working together if my loot is no different from your loot off the same mob? Why should I bother completing dynamic events if my reward is less worthwhile than what a newbie at level one would get in any other game? Why should I even care if anyone likes me or not when I can just jump into anything at any time regardless and still get a sweet ride?

Now these champ chest are nothing new, nothing new at all even in the slightest. Names have been dropping master chests in mmos for DECADES. The only difference is I have absolutely no reason to care about anyone since I get mine anyway. That’s why there is the most intensive player backlash i’ve ever seen in any mmo.

Anet, you really went too far in wanting to change the face of mmos. You created a game that essentially needs nobody at all. A glorified one player game that happens to have other people in it. A game I would rather play alone because having to conceive the idea of working with other people for no good reason would be a hindrance to my own skills, ability or loot than an asset.

Yeah…..

Rexurus.3526:

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Man this mechanic has more problems than a pinto.

Seriously I don’t think there is an acceptable solution to this problem because Anet created some sort of monster. The fact that Anet has gone so far to stand out from all other mmos that in itself creates problems that are squarely unique to this mmo and this one only.

You know this is something that would never happen in a game like EQ2 or other mmos for one simple reason: You’re competing with everyone else already.
You have to complete your own quests for loot, you have find your own loot and you have to work with other people in order to get…more loot.

I think the civility in wow can certainly out-class this game’s community six ways to sundae. (pun). Just solely for the fact that you have play nice with everyone in order to get your loot seems to be a far superior incentive than what guild wars 2 “Every man for himself” motto seems to be.

What good is working together if my loot is no different from your loot off the same mob? Why should I bother completing dynamic events if my reward is less worthwhile than what a newbie at level one would get in any other game? Why should I even care if anyone likes me or not when I can just jump into anything at any time regardless and still get a sweet ride?

Now these champ chest are nothing new, nothing new at all even in the slightest. Names have been dropping master chests in mmos for DECADES. The only difference is I have absolutely no reason to care about anyone since I get mine anyway. That’s why there is the most intensive player backlash i’ve ever seen in any mmo.

Anet, you really went too far in wanting to change the face of mmos. You created a game that essentially needs nobody at all. A glorified one player game that happens to have other people in it. A game I would rather play alone because having to conceive the idea of working with other people for no good reason would be a hindrance to my own skills, ability or loot than an asset.

Yeah…..

Very WELL SAID. Enough said ANET wanted this to happen and they’re in the process of making it more worst and worst unless there are some common sense to play the game now with all of these HORRIBLE mindset towards it.

WORST ever.

Also….this would be a good pitch for an Zero Punctuation episode.

Man this mechanic has more problems than a pinto.

Seriously I don’t think there is an acceptable solution to this problem because Anet created some sort of monster. The fact that Anet has gone so far to stand out from all other mmos that in itself creates problems that are squarely unique to this mmo and this one only.

You know this is something that would never happen in a game like EQ2 or other mmos for one simple reason: You’re competing with everyone else already.
You have to complete your own quests for loot, you have find your own loot and you have to work with other people in order to get…more loot.

I think the civility in wow can certainly out-class this game’s community six ways to sundae. (pun). Just solely for the fact that you have play nice with everyone in order to get your loot seems to be a far superior incentive than what guild wars 2 “Every man for himself” motto seems to be.

What good is working together if my loot is no different from your loot off the same mob? Why should I bother completing dynamic events if my reward is less worthwhile than what a newbie at level one would get in any other game? Why should I even care if anyone likes me or not when I can just jump into anything at any time regardless and still get a sweet ride?

Now these champ chest are nothing new, nothing new at all even in the slightest. Names have been dropping master chests in mmos for DECADES. The only difference is I have absolutely no reason to care about anyone since I get mine anyway. That’s why there is the most intensive player backlash i’ve ever seen in any mmo.

Anet, you really went too far in wanting to change the face of mmos. You created a game that essentially needs nobody at all. A glorified one player game that happens to have other people in it. A game I would rather play alone because having to conceive the idea of working with other people for no good reason would be a hindrance to my own skills, ability or loot than an asset.

Yeah…..

I think they should remove all the items and gold gained from orr and restart everyone from the last patch. That would be fair.

Supreme.7352:

So I shot the bad guy at this event and it died. Everyone now said they are going to report me for botting and gold farming to get me banned.

Now I am actually concerned I will be banned.

are you a bot?
are you farming?

If no to both, you got no worries.

Rally against the farmers bretheren.

Though they may use words like “community” and “beneficial”, they are only honey words to beguile you to work for their own greed.
This isn’t the first time that farmers haven’t been put down for their greed. Grenth was a very similar issue when the elementals were lootable until they were eliminated.

And if this is a forerunner of anet’s stance on farming, no doubt this will be rendered useless to farmers as well.

Farmers only care about their own personal gain at the expense of others fun or participation or even in-game finance. They work solely to fill their bottomless scum stained gullets.

I urge you all to not be as they who hide behind “it’s just a game” for they only wish to sow seeds of corruption in your hearts.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

How about a person who signs on and say, Shatterer just happens to be up? They might have participated in the events had they been online.

Oh, also, should a person who hops in during the middle of a dungeon after someone rage-quits or leaves not get the tokens because they didn’t do all the grunt work?

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It sucks but yeah. Or in case of the dungeon a fraction of the tokens depending on how late they come. 1/2. 1/3. 1/4…etc

Anet should change the bonus and world chest for world events to only be rewarded to players who complete the entire chain of events.

It is not fair that only a few people do all the grunt work up to the end and get no more benefits than the lazy parasites that show up at the last minute for a freebie.

(also, couldn’t care less if it doesn’t benefit other people. They should actually work for their profit)

My story’s best friend died and I got upstaged by a bowl of salad….

Ain’t life in Rapture grand?

Esplen.3940:

You can buy drinks with Karma. When you get to endgame where getting 1m+ karma is a joke, then come back and complain.

No this is not an acceptable answer. I can better spend my karma on the orrian boxes and make money from it. I should not have to waste either currency to do an insane requirement. And your response is just the wrong way to approach this problem.

This really says to me that no one at Anet can get even the most basic functions of a system correct. Or they are callous enough to think their customer base is this stupid to accept anything they poor out.

Say what you want about broken skills, content, updates, pvp, wvw, pve, or what not. THIS is a true sign of a disconnected company.

Are you kidding me Anet? Seriously?

Look at that picture. 15,000 drinks for tier 3.
And 5,000 is just 5% of the total amount I’m suppose to consume?

I admit I used an auto click just to see how many drinks past 3,000 would be but this is just insane. Whose finger was this design for? Well obviously an auto click program.

I’m assuming the goal is to drink 100,00 drinks. at 16 copper a piece 160 gold’s worth of drinks for a MEASLY 36 points?

You know I can complete the food one with 800 bites. You could kill the population of California with the amount of alcohol poisoning you need to finish this one.

Please lower the kitten number.

nakoda.4213:

Not mad at all.

You came here posting as if you are entitled to something (btw, the typo in your title shows just how serious you are), and when the substantial portion of the community disagreed with you, illustrating not only why the things you don’t like are the way they are but also myriad other potential uses for it you, like a broken record, keep stomping your feet as if you’ve got an opinion that matters

You don’t. No one does, because it is just an opinion.

But your OPINION of the ft is not shared by everyone.

Fixed the typo. Also opinion still not invalid.

Is there an mmo where Scouts are not OPed?

Seriously I think the stealth mechanic at this point is worthy of being banned from all future mmos. It only serves to break any game it’s in.

Maybe anet should just shut down Anvil Rock. That’ll teach them for not WvWing.

nakoda.4213:

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acedragonz.9387:

If ya don’t like it, don’t play it. But it can’t be useless seeing that most Engis I see in PvP use it. (Including me)

just because you can use your “builds” in a stunted environment with rules and restrictions…doesn’t make it good. It just makes it the least affected skills among others that would wipe the floor with you in wvw or even pve. I mean really, can you really affect the FT in pvp where most skills, traits, and abilities including stuff like food or sigils and jewlery are already stunted?

HAhaahAHHaHaHahAhaHaHAHaHAhAHahahahahAHhA.

troll is trolly.

do you even lift, bro?

engineer isn’t for you.

Do you ever have anything constructive to say because, yeah other people did.

Impressive…but I think you just got lucky you were not spotted.

During invasions near garrison, it’s always best to send in a few teams to nick some tower during the chaos.

Not too long ago I managed to take down 2 towers t3 and t1 with just one golem and a few stray players.

But kudos for just sheer luck.

But let’s face it….

they’re just going to kill the engineer….and i’m okay with that.

I’d like to see….

….machine guns….mini-guns…..grenade launchers, sniper rifles, double barrel shotguns…..

Nah I just want the BFG 9000. That’ll work.

Eq2 made this simple….

“Lore” – One item can only be equipped at a time.

Is anet just new at this or do they just ignore ALL progress by other mmos?

I just hope they don’t take the EQ2 route when they capped levels. Instead of just getting higher level items, they just cranked up the crit damage/monster crit resist. Of course that made all the old content, along with mercs, completely pointless. That my friends is an artifice.

acedragonz.9387:

If ya don’t like it, don’t play it. But it can’t be useless seeing that most Engis I see in PvP use it. (Including me)

just because you can use your “builds” in a stunted environment with rules and restrictions…doesn’t make it good. It just makes it the least affected skills among others that would wipe the floor with you in wvw or even pve. I mean really, can you really affect the FT in pvp where most skills, traits, and abilities including stuff like food or sigils and jewlery are already stunted?

Drakkon.4782:

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Regardless my opinion still is valid.

No. You are entitled to your opinion, which is really the only thing anyone is actually entitled to, but it doesn’t mean that it’s valid. Your opinion is poorly formed, logically flawed, you are resistant to help, and you are just trying to make excuses to show that one of the coolest aspects of the Engineer is bad and shouldn’t be as it is.

While FT needs some perking, it isn’t bad. Just because you don’t know how to properly use it doesn’t mean it’s broken. It means you’re bad at playing it and need to learn how to play. FT does good damage, but it isn’t great against single targets. It isn’t a single target weapon. It’s designed to be group support, hitting everything in a cone in front of it for the same damage, blanketing everything in even death.

Buttons #3 and #2 are supposed to be used, in that order, to handle mobs that are doing too much damage while you’re laying down suppression fire. Blow them back, then hit them with Napalm. It’s a 1-2 punch.

Button #4 is for stationary targets who don’t move while DPSing, like mobs with ranged, or stupid bunker casters. Flame wall is fun. Use it well.

Of all of them, #5 is the one I use the least, because I’ve spent too much time fighting Dredge, who are immune to Blind. However, the debuff from the Blind Condition should not be discounted in PvP/WvW.

Just because you can’t employ it properly doesn’t mean that it’s broken, flawed, or in need of being removed. Your opinion is your own, you’re entitled to have it, but it isn’t valid, it isn’t fact, and it, obviously, isn’t welcome. When you learn to play your class, learn to take advise, and learn to not troll, your points will carry more weight.

Now, please stop trying to act like you know what you’re doing. We’ve been patient with you. Go away.

I’m sorry, do you actually develop and test for Arenanet? No? Then I don’t care about how many people have to work around to make a functional option. I want a better flamethrower. One that actually strikes fear in opponents. Not one that is mildly annoying and more convoluted to use than a Atom Smasher.

I just love this chaotic mess. It feels just like a real battle.

Everyone is out to cut your throat and won’t stop at any dirty tatic to achieve victory.
I haven’t been this enthralled with team based combat since the original Planetside.

You guys give me the biggest battle stiffy.

nakoda.4213:

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I just want something reliable when I don’t feel or have the ability to kittenen juggle 20 different buttons in one battle.

Engineer may not be the profession for you.

Just sayin’.

This argument has met the concrete wall of this forum many times.

The engineer is a complex profession with a high skill floor based upon the manipulation of numerous skills and cooldowns at one time. Micromanagement of many skills is key to the successful operation of the engineer.

If you want a less complex way of playing the game, then go play your guardian or thief or mesmer.

…

or spec nades.

111211311F111!!1111!1411!F111!~~~!!1113111F11115112

Regardless my opinion still is valid.

Drakkon.4782:

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Case and point: The Flamethrower.

Out of all the worthless kits among our utility belt, this is by far the worst at our disposal.

How about we start by making this kit good?

I wonder how I could get the wrong impression?

Because you are bias for the kit and there for you unjustly disagree with a differing opinion. So get off your high…turret.

Elthurien.8356:

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Drakkon.4782:

OP Troll. Very long winded and poorly thought out troll.

FT is godly. It’s easily the most fun kit we have. Does mad damage to groups, and is so easy to bunker with.

I’m not sure why having a different thought out opinion counts as being a “goblin” but no I truly do believe the devs can give us a far superior version of this kit. Besides I don’t believe i’ve ever seen an engi who has used it with exceptions.

Just because you haven’t seen us doesn’t mean we don’t exist.
I currently play a pure juggernaught build (Pvt gear) and absolutely love it in WvW.
20 points minimum in the firearms line for juggernaught major trait.
20 points minimum in the alchemy line for the Deadly Mixture.
30 points spare to place into whatever I feel like using to enhance the build. Depending on how I feel like running on the day I could go deeper into alchemy (HGH) or firearms, into explosives for enhanced performance (more might), into inventions for more toughness, power shoes and energized armor, or tools for speedy kits or static discharge.
The versatility is amazing with Flamethrower as the foundation of the build.

It’s quite exhilarating dropping a line of napalm on a downed enemy and using rocket boots in their face to get area might combos.

I’m glad you can find use out of a kit despite having to basically work harder than say a gaurdian pressing 1,2,3,4. But I would really like to see it’s basic damage to be as good as my pistols, or grenades or bombs.

google.3709:

2 things….

• ALL kits are actually amazing
• Lesson or the day: don’t Auto attack

2 counter arguments

*Dependent…
*Why can’t my auto attack with the shortest cd and most likely common attack be powerful?

Seras.5702:

Love how you attached a pic of FT doing bad damage in a lvl 65 zone with you down-leveled.

You realized that both weapons are actually scaled to the zone both items can be used in, right?

This isn’t also about wither or not flamethrower can be used for might or utility or what not. Though I may have just haphazardly mentioned them, this is mostly about the base attack power of the kit.

Anyone can use any skill with anything and get better results, I just want something reliable when I don’t feel or have the ability to kittenen juggle 20 different buttons in one battle.

Drakkon.4782:

OP Troll. Very long winded and poorly thought out troll.

FT is godly. It’s easily the most fun kit we have. Does mad damage to groups, and is so easy to bunker with.

I’m not sure why having a different thought out opinion counts as being a “goblin” but no I truly do believe the devs can give us a far superior version of this kit. Besides I don’t believe i’ve ever seen an engi who has used it with exceptions.

Glyphs wants a what? (Heh movie references)

You devs I’d like to believe you had good intentions when you made then engineer. You basically wanted a Batman character but without being batman. However I don’t think batman would ever forgo crappy toys when even pick up ones are far superior.

Case and point: The Flamethrower.

Out of all the worthless kits among our utility belt, this is by far the worst at our disposal. You know I get the concept, a aoe main weapon that can burn people. Sounds great, on paper. But in practice it’s so weak it’s almost pathetic.

One of my main problems is that it’s main attack is the most awful standard attack in the game hands down. It launches 5 attacks but they are so tiny in damage that you’d be lucky to bring down any opponent. The max i’ve ever hit per hit was a measly 200 to 4oo Crit and that’s if I didn’t miss or had good crit chance. The only affective way I ever found the flame thrower was pre-omnom pie nerf. Even at it’s max power and crit it could barely breach the 2k mark. The pie was the only thing that made it affective as a slow burning tanker build/proc launcher but now i wouldn’t use the kitten thing in pve. And aside from the worthless skills it has on it, I can’t find it to be of any use in any situation.

And you know whats sad? You already have in the game a WAY better substitute for this known as the “Deionizing Arcanoduster” found in Mount Malestrom . It works the same as the flamethrower but is far more improved.
1: It launches 600 to 1.2k crit hits EVERY hit
2. It has a combo finisher with a short CD.
3. It has an effective pushback
4. It has frost which is way better than burn

Engineers are so out classed by just about class in terms of any damage it can dish out and are overcumbbered with the most head bashing control learning curve that you’d be lucky to see any of them anywhere.

I think you could do much better.
How about we start by making this kit good?

Maybe. just maybe….some people don’t want to wvw just because they find no joy in killing other people.

Torpian.9142:

Housing in EQ2 was good, so you’re completely wrong there. Read the thread and you’ll see how housing can benefit players. I don’t do PVP but I can accept that other players do enjoy PVP so I don’t ask for it to be removed from the game. Maybe you should consider that there are other people playing the game besides yourself?

I did and guess what…I don’t agree still.

You know the problem with housing in any mmo is what purpose does it serve the player?

If you want an example of how kittening useless housing is just take no further look than EQ2. It’s a literal dollhouse simulator and that’s not including the guild halls.
But they only serve limited functions and to be honest it’s more of just a juxtapose for skills you don’t have at all times.

Hell all the players are just shiftless hobos because no one actually lives in a house and, this is important, has no reason to do so.

After having left the EQ2 housing experience, i’d rather not be a homeowner unless I felt the need to spend more than a lifetime adjusting brick a brack while my rl house remains a mess.

So we got like amazing creative skins for almost every weapon in game. And they only seem to get cooler with every event or holiday giveaway…

Then you got the pistol and riffle skins that look like they just hot glued junk around the barrel. I just bought one of those jade skins for my engineer’s pistol and it looks like I wrapped a sock around my pistol and it looks like it catches fire with every blast.

Look I know most mmos HATE firearms and those that have them feel like they do everything to make them anything but guns…
But for goodness sake Anet. If you’re going to have them, at least make them actual guns instead of sophisticated blow darts.

I just want a gun that actually looks like it can punch a hole through 5 inchs of steel.
Or hell, laser guns. Anything than this wet noodle shooter.

If you’re luckey enough you can make tokens into jewelery if you find the recipe.

…….

kitten all this. Why don’t we just go the tf2 route and just have more HATS!!!

(btw you all need therepy)

The alliance is a false sense of equalization.

Those 3 servers are not going to remain in the same place forever.
And if AR and BP have to team up to fight EB, they do not belong in their tier, period.

Unless you’re trying to keep those servers forever in a twilight zone.

I actually don’t think it’s unreasable for mobs to take out anything that would support a player. Seems pretty smart on their AI to take out the “healer” first.

But yeah I would like to see better hitbox improvment on my turrets other than just eating it every 20 seconds.