Guild Wars 2

I like how frustrated my opponents are at sPvP. Especially those moments when they thought that they got you, but then you’ll manage to slip out and all they got is your illusion, kitten ! That feels good all the time.

All names that you could think of will be thrown at me. And then I’ll be like “ok.”

Both PU and perma-stealth trap are annoying as hell because of their defensive, turtle-approach to fighting. But then again I guess the saltiness from both sides won’t go away.

Don’t exempt yourself, folks; if you’re running a defensive-style condi build don’t complain about being stomped by one.

Next prospective nerf

Casual players allowed?

3 ele? Holy kitten

So you’re running d/p and d/d at the same? Wut?

Update:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Two-thieves-at-once-death/first#post5289852

There is this guy complaining about thieves because he was alone and two thieves ganked him 2v1.

The hate is real, guys.

Well, pistol 5 to dagger 2 is annoying indeed nonetheless. But the reason why most of the thieves that you will encounter is running that because there is no viable build atm. If anet can plan out a little more build diversity on this class I am sure you will see less thieves running d/p. Keep your fingers crossed.

Nilkemia.8507:

“l2p, scrub”. You have any idea how toxic that makes you look? Things like that only make my thoughts on PvP even worse. Only good for the reward tracks…

Do you have any idea how toxic you complain against thieves? Then go play sPvP for reward tracks no one is stopping you.

Srsly, You want to complain against the thief class? Go to the thief subforum and post there so the thieves themselves will help you with your concern, rather than posting here and crying like a baby quaggan. Lol

Nilkemia.8507:

Reinn.7436:

Nilkemia.8507:

Phent.9350:

You die against 2vs1 and think that is unfair? lol, day after day QQ post are more and more absurd Oo

This is regarding two thieves. Against two of anything else, be they different proffesions or the same, you can at least fight back or try to disengage if they’re too much. Against two thieves, you can do neither, especially if they get the drop on you first.

Thieves specialize in chasing targets and 1v1 duels. Why on earth are you going to engage two of those who forte 1v1 when you are alone? This qq is much more of a stupidity and l2p issue than a legit problem.

So what do you want anet to do with Thieves, nerf them?

Should I also point out that I actively tried to avoid them and they hunted me down anyways? They even waited outside the spawn at one point so I couldn’t avoid them. Thanks for your pointless assumptions with no advice at all.

Based on how you open your thread without any relative constructive questions on how you deal with thieves and how you respond to the following ppl who attempted to help you out in this thread, it is obvious that I can’t take you seriously at all.

Check out how you started off with ahh thieves are this and that much better if the game is without them qq. Lol

Ask your mates to camp other points if you’re outnumbered.
Thieves that are running zerk builds are nerfed, survivability was nerfed to the ground prior to June patch.

If you still have a problem with that then seriously l2p, scrub.

“hey anet please nerf Thief because I died when I was alone versus two Thieves. No it’s not that I am a scrub, really.”

Nilkemia.8507:

Phent.9350:

You die against 2vs1 and think that is unfair? lol, day after day QQ post are more and more absurd Oo

This is regarding two thieves. Against two of anything else, be they different proffesions or the same, you can at least fight back or try to disengage if they’re too much. Against two thieves, you can do neither, especially if they get the drop on you first.

Thieves specialize in chasing targets and 1v1 duels. Why on earth are you going to engage two of those who forte 1v1 when you are alone? This qq is much more of a stupidity and l2p issue than a legit problem.

So what do you want anet to do with Thieves, nerf them?

I really love the cries of other classes when they are against something that they can’t see. The aftertaste of their anguish is soooo sweet. Mwuahahahaha!

Because no ones loved the thrill of the chase as much as we do:

Think about it, you unload all of your skills and beautiful spells against a thief, trying to kill her. And then, from one moment she vanishes in an instant, on a split second you can feel your hatred as you see her from afar chopping a tree without any dent on her armor at all.

Then she vanished again…

…But where is she going? She could be going straight to a camp, running away, or maybe mining another node…

…or perhaps, she’s stalking you from behind?

Frustration, and anger rushes through your veins when you know you can’t do anything but feel her cold embrace and feint whispers on your ears…

And then you shout, “there’s no honor among thieves!”

But even in the face of death, they have their own principles that they follow.

Well sorry for my outright sarcasm if you have not noticed them. Lol.

June patch we’ve been nerfed to the ground. If you are running zerk gear alongside your build kindly refrain from doing so in the meantime. Survivability and sustain was hurt the most on thieves post-patch.

I sometimes even want to swear and curse every developer and their greedy bosses in this subform just to perform a social experiment if there is a mod here who is monitoring the thief corner.

+1 can’t say anything much but yes, drop the vuln and add blind. As a d/d; s/d player this would make much sense. Not OP but quite useful.

Nah, just forget about the Mesmers, guys. I think what we need here are innovative brains to make our class on equal footing with other classes. Because obviously, we won’t get anything good, considering that the devs won’t listen.

Reinn.7436:

Btw, I think he didn’t stated that he liked a very large amount of HP like what a warrior does. We are on the same boat of increasing the amount of hp similar to what Mesmers and Rangers have.

MidoriMarch.8067:

Jayden Ennok.3687:

I simply dislike the idea of turning thief class into warrior, we are supposed to be squishy and to avoid dmg instead of soaking it. If you want to facetank dmg flying at you, reroll.

Reinn.7436:

Read: we’re not emphasizing a thief to have an hp similar to a warrior class.

And thief doesnt mean to have high hp pool like a warrior dont forget we are THIEF.

Apparently this is how their stupidity work:

Premise:

Someone advocated to raise the thief’s hp bar to tier II, along with Mesmers, Rangers, and Revs.

Their somewhat rather stupid solution:

Don’t like current thief hp? Go Warrior class. We don’t like Thieves to have max hp as high as a warrior

Apparently what they don’t understand and still failing to understand is that we are not talking about a vitality compared to a Warrior.

They are failing to see the logic on their flawed argument. Lol, I think we have clowns here who can brighten up our day, not thieves.

Then changing our traits and skills rather than our HP pool would be ok for me as long as our chance of survival increases. One way or another we need to fight and live to see the day than doing nothing but dying out a lot one by one like flies.

By the way, I discarded the idea of thieves soaking out damage. No, that didn’t come to any of my arguments, what we’re emphasizing here is the ability of the class to survive in any form. Read: we’re not emphasizing a thief to have an hp similar to a warrior class.

I was thinking of some sort of a skill that shoots a net at X range to immobilize a target for Y second(s)

This guild should have a creed. Or something like that.

Honor Among Thieves

I am fair, only to help my gang and never to spite.

I am kind, only to offer my tricks of the trade to those with dirty hands.

I am honest, never to scam my comrades or swindle.

With these words that I am which builds my ultimate trait among thieves:

I am trustworthy.

Coloxeus.3480:

mesmer is the new thief but w/ clones invulnerable bursty like a thief and stealth like a boss!! so why play thief?? cuz i always want and keep liking this prof.!!

’Cuz black is cool and butterflies are lame.

I am monitoring this thread for months now. I think the forum mods should take a look into this and make it sticky for two reasons:

1) Neophyte thieves are not aware that this forbidden book of knowledge exists.

2) Members of the thief community, albeit small (because others are rerolling to other profs) should try to contribute any creative ideas as much as possible so that every thief can play their full potential.

MidoriMarch.8067:

Nephrite.6954:

MidoriMarch.8067:

Nephrite.6954:

MidoriMarch.8067:

NO thief does not need vitality increase.
we just need more surviving tools on skills or utility skills and some of our old trait back

Don’t you guys get it? The dev that’s working on this class is a complete screw up and doesn’t give a d*mn about the class. It’s highly unlikely we’ll be getting the traits back because of how notoriously ignorant Anet can be. Even IF we got the traits back Anet’s just gonna nerf our other advantage, it’s just the matter of time. I’m going to state it once again, increasing our vitality causes us to not sacrifice too much in terms of stat survivability. That’s all I really want right now. Saying something like “Oh, increasing our vitality doesn’t change anything” is just completely foolish. Fine, decrease any class’s base vitality and you’ll see how much their survivability would plummet.

You can keep dreaming anet will never increase thief’s vitality.

higher chance of fixing out currents trait or skills.

Sandrox.9524:

MidoriMarch.8067:

NO thief does not need vitality increase.
we just need more surviving tools on skills or utility skills and some of our old trait back

or…in short…more vitality…lol ppl these days….

lol people with l2p issues only want thief to have more vitality pssh.

That’s why threads like this serve as a request you fool. Only want vitality? You kidding me?== I recommend you troll another thread.

More than half of people on this thread disagree with u increasing hp for thief so they must be trolling as well?

Increasing HP on thief wont solve the main problems we have right now.

If u want high hp pool go play warrior or necromancer. I dont want thief to be a meatshield.

Nope, I don’t clearly see his argument as a l2p issue. Thing is, the Thief class has the lowest base HP in the game. We can deal with that if only the evade frame windows and condi cleanses are all a-ok. But since we don’t have them our only choice of build is either run an ‘all-in’ glass cannon, or increase health by using health boosting equipments, resulting to a loss of the glass-cannon build.

Lack of sustain, evade frame windows, and stealth durations make this class hard to make it work at all. Considering that what the thief can do, mesmers can do it technically better and with a higher amount of hp.

Thief mechanics = confusion, diversion with stealth as primary
Mesmer mechanics = diversion, confusion through illusions with stealth as secondary

Thief base health + vit @ level 80 = 10,905
Mesmer base health + vit @ level 80 = 15,182

Clearly, the mechanics of what these two classes can do and their HP difference shows the lack of attention the devs giving to this class. Btw, I think he didn’t stated that he liked a very large amount of HP like what a warrior does. We are on the same boat of increasing the amount of hp similar to what Mesmers and Rangers have.

I wish the p/p would be something cool. Like doing some breezy moves similar to Christian Bale on that Equilibrium movie while hitting Unload.

That’ll be kitty-kat awesome.

Yes, sir. So you have to stay inside of the ring until the duration ends.

pLyTe.9170:

but like where do I get armor and weapons? xD

You can farm dungeons for gold. Or basically you can win them by finishing PvP reward tracks, it’s kinda slow though.

I have entomophobia that’s why I hate fighting mesmers, let alone joining their bandwagon. Lol

Maugetarr.6823:

EragamerLG.2390:

Reinn.7436:

BFMV.3198:

1. Someone who has vast knowledge or mains thief needs to take responsibility for their balancing, as the person who currently works on them says he does not care about thief and touches it very rarely. He even forgot some of thieves traits when working on the latest patch. To me this is disgusting and shows that he is just a member of anet listening to cries from people who do not play thief

Really? When and where did he say that?

If this is the case, then it’s an outrage that they paid for some guy with our money in full who is not even doing his work properly.

During the 4hour live-stream showing off the upcoming Trait System and Thief changes back last month or so. I think a tear came to my eye when he said that.

Well, I don’t remember him saying that he rarely plays thief, but he did forget some of the trait names. To be fair, i forget trait names occasionally too. However, I don’t get the feeling when he talks about thief that he particularly enjoys it. Look back through the mesmer forum and you’ll see the Robert Gee appreciation thread. That guy has been working on mesmers since GW1. He’s passionate about the class and that’s a good thing. Part of what I think problem is is that it doesn’t seem like there’s a thief main dev. I just think there basically needs to be a dev per class who is the advocate for that class. Someone who says “look, this change would be awesome/awful because [reasons].”

If they got a Robert Gee appreciation thread then I think we need a ‘petition to change the nonsensical balance thief dev’ to make it even. That’ll give them a new meaning to the term ‘balanced’.

Maybe their backstab is not nerfed…yet. :P

But truth be told, due to these inevitable nerfs and changes to our skillsets/stats, we thieves are probably one of the most brightest innovators out of all classes. Nerf this? Ok we think of another good build, nerf that? Ok, we do this. This is like a natural process of mankind’s adaptability to change.

But yet again, out of all the professions column here in the forum, the Thief corner is probably the one with the highest complaint threads.

Let’s just pray that the devs are willing to listen.

EragamerLG.2390:

During the 4hour live-stream showing off the upcoming Trait System and Thief changes back last month or so. I think a tear came to my eye when he said that.

Thanks I’ll look into that if it’s still available. Lol

BFMV.3198:

1. Someone who has vast knowledge or mains thief needs to take responsibility for their balancing, as the person who currently works on them says he does not care about thief and touches it very rarely. He even forgot some of thieves traits when working on the latest patch. To me this is disgusting and shows that he is just a member of anet listening to cries from people who do not play thief

Really? When and where did he say that?

If this is the case, then it’s an outrage that they paid for some guy with our money in full who is not even doing his work properly.

Are they going to change the F1 skill once we specialize? I don’t see the sense behind shooting from afar (in case we get a boomstick) then teleporting at melee just to get an additional skill.

Thief = good
Nirvana = good
Thief + Nirvana = ???

EPIC

It is a usual thing. Since crit-chance can be improved using other means such as fury sustain or getting traits like hidden-killer and such.

Current thief design is different from Assassin. When the former is designed to mindkitty with other people while the latter is more step-by-step burst oriented. No change has to be done, I like my thief this way.

But I like the DB more in gw1. Lol

mango.9267:

I have no idea how people can give you advice without asking for your traits or your weapons. Do you need SA to survive? Do you want trickery? Do you prefer D/P or D/D?

For example, if you run sleight of hand, thrill of the crime, and pack runes, then pick zerk/valk over assassin’s because you’re going to maintain very high fury up-time. If you don’t have access to a lot of fury, then mix some assassin’s in so you don’t have to pick hidden killer over executioner. This assumes you trait into critical strikes at all, which you certainly don’t have to.

You have a point there. Usually, I run a D/D 26006 build with thrill of the crime and executioner in it. Have not tried running pack runes, tho. Since 6 Runes of the Traveller happens to be my favorite, that bonus movespeed is sooo good to drop.

My gratitude. Bookmarked the build for future referencing.

Thanks. Can someone post a sample build with a Valkyrie stat in it? Never seen one yet.

Guys I want your take on this, which one will you pick in the WvW scenario with the given gear prefixes: Berserker’s or Assassin’s.

And if I am going for a burst backstab build which one is better among the two?

Can someone tell me if we are allowed to Shadowstep on higher platforms much like Mesmer teleport? Whenever I try to do it I end up on the edge instead.

Can you guys share your insights regarding creative use of our Shadowstep mechanic?

Aside from Shadowstep stomps I use one to immediately standup from a knockdown. One example is that when I am hit by a Ranger longbow #4 I will Shadowstep to their back since a clear hit from it will result to a massive damage from Rapid-fire.

Justine.6351:

Reinn.7436:

Death Blossom
Initiative cost: 6

Description:
Shadowstep to your target foe and strike twice while evading attacks. The second strike hits foes that are adjacent to you and deals 50% more damage if target foe has more than 80% health.

Evade 1/2 s
Bleed (3 stacks)
Range 150

Hell why not make it steal a boon and knockdown while we are at it.

Nope, that’ll be asking too much.

Death Blossom
Initiative cost: 6

Description:
Shadowstep to your target foe and strike twice while evading attacks. The second strike hits foes that are adjacent to you and deals 50% more damage if target foe has more than 80% health.

Evade 1/2 s
Bleed (3 stacks)
Range 150

Bloonis.9528:

Reinn.7436:

^ Nothing feels better than winning over other class when you know that yours has been nerfed to kingdom come. I switched to Thief over 2-3 weeks ago as my main and thinking that mine is not an easy job to keep, it brings satisfaction when winning comes over as a fruit of my hardship.

#proudtobeathief

Thanks for agreeing with me that the thief “has been nerfed to kingdom come”. Consequently then, if it gets buffed, your life will be easier and you wont try that hard as you say. Join me and ask anet for a buff. Unless you like trying hard. In which case, I have a couple ideas to make your playing experience even harder.

Wow #hater

No sir, I am fine without your help. Thanks, but no thanks.

^ Nothing feels better than winning over other class when you know that yours has been nerfed to kingdom come. I switched to Thief over 2-3 weeks ago as my main and thinking that mine is not an easy job to keep, it brings satisfaction when winning comes over as a fruit of my hardship.

#proudtobeathief

Try the SA build. But apart from that I dont know. I seldom go d/p.

Edit:
2/6/6/0/0

Or you can retweak the SA trait line to put more on the Trickery line. I personally like Thrill of the Crime as a stat. But since the changes on the pistol5 > dagger2 > steal combo, my d/p days went awry.