Guild Wars 2

The attitude you must be willing to assume to join KING

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Snowball.3497:

Guardian is throwing rocks

As the guy who edited that video – I can confirm he only threw one rock: right after someone said “We might have a record, so don’t throw rocks”

That kitten…

Read ’em and weep.

I’m sure you’re tired of constantly getting flac, so let me explain to you why you’re getting flac.

Your userbase is not monolithic.

Each and every thing you’ve gotten massive flac for over the past 2 years has come from appeasing the majority. From ascended gear all the way to the recent incredible rise in scamming dungeons, it can all be traced down to this.

Why does this always get you flac? Because your playerbase is not monolithic. No-one will agree on what exactly the game should be, and most probably won’t agree with you either.

If you make changes that make 60% of your playerbase happy 10 times, in all likelihood you’ll be left with a playerbase where 80% thinks you’re idiots and should change things back, though what should be changed back will vary by person.

The solution:
Options!

• The global fractal level reset was supposed to “Allow players to experience the instabilities as they level up”. If experiencing the instabilities was optional, we would have done it anyway and it would be a non-issue
• While the content guide was derided en masse for pointing newbies to level 80 zones or for pointing in an essentially random direction, the option to turn it off made it a non-issue
• Having to unlock 65 traits through varyingly boring content before you can even build your character is horrible! It’s made slightly better by the ability to buy them from a trader, but giving players the option to skip trait unlock events they already completed on a different character would make it a non-issue
• Can you even imagine how horrible double-tap to dodge would be if we couldn’t turn it off? Thank goodness it’s a non-issue!
• There has been a massive influx of scammers kicking people from half-finished dungeon paths since the removal of a party owner, as the huge thread in the dungeons forum will tell you, having the option to turn it back on would fix the problem immediately

By providing an option you will go from making 60% of your playerbase happy to making 60% of your playerbase happier, and the rest will consider the change a non-issue.

The future
While I don’t believe that you’ll put your very limited resources into adding options for things you’ve already released, I’d like to ask you to keep this in mind when implementing the next global fractal level reset, daily reward lock, or new player experience.

It will save us both a lot of pain.

- Zip

Scammed for the first time today.

It seems the amount of scammers stealing paths has skyrocketed since feature patch.

I really hope anet takes this seriously and adds an option for leader. Reporting after the fact for no guarantee that anything will happen and a guarantee that you won’t get paid is in all ways inferior to keeping people from scamming you in the first place.

Even if we report scammers every time, the amount of them will make selling impossible. When selling is impossible the decent PvE players will quit.

It’s an untenable situation, and even if every report leads to a ban, without a preventative mechanic it’s not enough.

Video (mirror)

(Yes I know I suck at engy)

Yeah it only happens 1 in 10 but it’s really annoying. Was hoping it would be fixed.

Subject 6 occasionally has no cooldown on recasting his shield after interrupting him with signet of might or fear me.

I heard this bug was fixed a while back but I ran into it again today. Any news?

CJay.4067:

They announced that they will regulary extent fractal when they released it, they forgot it. They said the same again when they released the fractured patch, and they forgot it.

They simply just dont care.

They are extending fractals regularly. Once every 12 months like clockwork.

So with the old TP you could list a sell order very low and sellers would be tricked into selling for that price, but the new TP has it’s own scam which is far worse IMHO.

If you list a buy order at the same price or higher than the lowest sell order, the input gets changed to “Buy now” mode instead of “Place buy order”. The effect of which:

• If you up the quantity the TP will automatically up the buy price, even if your input suggests you want to place a buy order
• You cannot place buy orders higher than the lowest sell order

In other words, if a TP player kept relisting 1 item 1c above the highest buy order, no-one can place buy orders any higher than the current highest and anyone who tries will end up paying more than they set it to

This is already being done on items with high quantity. Please fix.

So at 50 the technicians in the prisoner room in thaumanova don’t need to be rescued at all – you can just press the button.

However, if you free chibb and greeza they’ll stand near the scarlet hologram and you’ll do more damage during the boss fight.

The unnamed technicians in the southern rooms however don’t show up there and I have no idea if they make any difference.

Question: Do the technicians in the southern rooms do anything at all? Is it a waste of time freeing them?

Edit: Theory:

• Chibb and Greeza are dead at lower levels.
• The technicians do the job of debuffing the anomaly then. (Not sure, can anyone confirm?)
• At higher levels (Above 50) freeing all 4 provides a larger debuff (Maybe?)

You can set your ingame clock to server time in options, and there’s a link in the OP

Edit: Apparently not, here’s a link: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440&iso=20140726T14

Double edit: Aaaand the forums screwed up the link – but you get the gist

The KING Fractal Tournament point sheet has been released!

We’re happy to announce a donation by Anet of 14k gems to be split between the first and second place in addition to the total 4k gold reward!

We’d appreciate all the applicants following the instructions in the box at the bottom, and getting in contact with one of our officers for further instructions: Zip, Iquasi, Particlar, The Rise

The bracket, with links to individual streams, will be publicised on tournament day.

The Official Tournament Stream with KING commentary will start around 1400 server time

Seems like they compromised…

Mai trin hits far less now, but the rest still hits a lot

We’ll probably see lots of rerolling at mai trin

By positioning someone outside the room a single naked level 1 can kill mai trin without dodging at 50. I’d say that counts as disabling the boss.

Due to QQ we have decided to add pointless rules

• All pathways that are designed to block progress through the path must be opened. You may not have any party member(s) get past blocked passages until the required sequence/dialogue has been completed.
• You will be disqualified if it is evident that your party has deliberately abused positioning to disable a boss. This means safe spotting a boss, line of sighting to cause a boss to break, etc.

More thought should have gone into those rules instead of copy pasting the gwscr ones.

Getting repeated mai trins will be an RNG death scentance to a team thanks to the positioning rule.

IMHO these rules should be shortened to “Don’t do anything that lets you afk a boss”, that covers the mossman/ice shaman things which is all we really care about anyway.

Bump – registration deadline is the 19th, sign up before it’s too late!

Oega – I love the challenge but it seems more appropriate to level ~80 – Mai trin was already harder than the other 2 bosses at 50, if anything the other 2 needed a buff

But I would like to see this difficulty again when they unlock higher levels

15k damage from (undodgeable) teleport, 6k from a single (unblockable) whip, 8k from fire cannon, 4k per lightning cannon tick and all this was in a 40.

Looks like some intern didn’t realise mai trin scales by the amount of stacks removed by the lightning field and added base stat scaling without thinking or testing.

The hardest fractal endboss just became the hardest encounter in game. GG!

Rising Dusk.2408:

asking someone to spend cash as an entrance fee essentially is bad form

Ignoring the fact an entrance fee would have to go to us, rather than to your own characters as armor;

70AR is only an entrance fee if you don’t have it yet – if you don’t have it yet you’ve never done 50, and haven’t done enough 49s to get enough ascended chests – and in that case you probably won’t make it past the first round.

If we were asking you to gear every profession with 70 AR (3 sets of armor) you might have a valid complaint. As it stands you have over 3 weeks to pick a class and get your gear ready.

[KING] Fractals Guides
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Who are we
KING is an EU PvE focused guild specializing in fractals. We had the 2 world first fractal 50 after fractured, and probably the 3 EU first.

We helped command the 2 world first wurm kills. Additionally, one of our officers runs [NiP], the gw2community guild.

KarateKid.5648:

Relativity.3264:

I’m getting 40 through 110fps on linux in wine. What’s the mac client like at the moment?

Intel cpu or amd, out of curiosity?

Intel, but it’s only quad core no HT so I could probably get more if I upgraded. Thinking of going hex core+HT when skylake is out

I’m getting 40 through 110fps on linux in wine. What’s the mac client like at the moment?

Fractals in general
Ability to choose starting fractal
Lets face it, I haven’t done water since fractured. Just let me start swamp right away. You could also let someone start a harder fractal on purpose (It’s a pain making guides for T3 fractals when you rarely get the one you want)

Better total duration
Right now there’s no difference between getting harpy>cliffside>dredge and swamp>ascalon>aetherblade. Rolls should be calculated so you don’t get a bunch of long fractals together or a bunch of short fractals together. (You promised us no cliffside+dredge then went back on your word. We noticed.)

Alternatively, calculate a bigger reward for longer fractals. (harpy>cliffside>dredge should give at least 5g, swamp>ascalon>aetherblade should be at most 4g)

Better LOOT
The loot is abysmal. You make a tenth what you make in arah for the amount of time invested. Not to mention the amount of money invested since you need a ton of ascended gear to get enough AR to play higher levels, which brings me to:

No more AR hardcaps
I’m skilled enough not to get hit. I can do a 49 with 0 AR. And yet, if I try to do a 40 with any less than 50 I’m toast. These AR hardcaps are just plain stupid. Who thought these up? If you need 55AR to finish a 40 you might as well remove all the agony from 41 to 49 since the agony will bearly tickle.

No more random rewards
Ascended chests without stat choices suck. Random fractal weapon skins suck. Random rings suck. The only decent rewards from fractals are all RANDOM. We need choices.

No more LYING
You promised fractal weapon chests. You put fractal weapon chests in the patch notes. You went back on your promise, edited the patch notes, and told us we were mistaken.

You promised no cliffside and dredge. You hadn’t even finished that live stream before you went back on your word.

Frankly being lied to @!#$es me off more than all the other problems here. Stop saying stuff and going back on your word. /offtopic

Dredge
Ah dredge. I’m sure what I have to say here is going to be drowned in the swarm of complaints about it, but let me take a quick look at it anyway.

Right now all of dredge up to the clown car is impossible without a thief. It needs to be reworked from scratch so that a skilled party can do it without glitching. Primarily the amount of dredge has to be cut in 5. Better yet, add new mechanics altogether to replace the old sections.

Bomb route like CM p2 barrels. Don’t have dredge shooting at you at all, make them focus on the bombs.

Cannon route you have to dodge the cannons firing at you while shooting the door or something. Again – stop having dredge shooting at you, it’s useless.

Pressure plates… Good idea, horrible execution. As Asko mentioned, larger pressure plates could be an option, but really there’s no way to fix this. Remove it or rework it from scratch. You can’t have players standing there taking a million dps and not being able to do anything for 15 seconds!

Coming to the clown car – Why is this thing still here? It eats your cleave, so you do even less damage against the unneccesarily sadistic amount of dredge that spawn from it.

Solution? Make less dredge spawn as long as the boss is alive (Like that solitary veteran that fights alongside him) and have the car despawn as soon as the boss dies.

Harpy fractal
Chop the ettin and shaman’s HP in 3 or 4 and we’ll call it good.

Urban battleground
Applause on the AI changes – they’re much better post fractured. The main issue now are the mages. Their flame burst hits for up to 20k, and they usually use it as an opener resulting in ~5 flame bursts on a single target. 100k damage aoe is a bit rediculous. Consider reducing their flame burst damage.

The bosses agony attack should do more base damage. As it is we can afk at 49 and let the npcs kill him since they aren’t affected by agony any more. If it does more base damage he can wipe the npcs just in time for the party to have at least a small challenge killing him.

Molten fractal
The tunnel is too slow. Move it along already!

That first group after the tunnel is EVIL. Cut the amount in half, even the best groups regularly wipe on it.

Cliffside
The amount of enemies in this fractal make me wish the ascalon NPCs were here. Cut them down a bit.

Additionally, the end boss’ second phase attacks are hardly telegraphed at all – specifically his 3 pronged pull looks like just another hammer swing. If he hits you with that in melee it hits 3 times, and is almost always followed up by agony that kills the downee.

haviz.1340:

They didn’t add any dredges. They just fixed their spawns.

What are you smoking – there are dredge all over the floor of the first room. The first thing you see when you get dredge is that they added dredge

To everyone saying “1k is normal” – it’s not. The previous formula was:

6400 + 8 * fractalLevel * min(10, level – fractalLevel) – resulting in a minimum of 6400 karma for doing any fractal below your level.

Either it’s bugged or they made the karma gain much more severely dependant on your level

Shahotinaro.9250:

Its hard capped @ 50, so if you beat it you stay at 50.

Ahh my position on the leaderboards is secure :P

Did a 35: Got 10k karma, 1.3g and an infused ring… It must be a bug that 30s get such larger rewards than 49…

Shahotinaro.9250:

Looking for some people now, it has been completed withonly 65 AR

So… can you level to 51 or are you still stuck at 50 then?

1.4g, 1k karma (As opposed to 10k prepatch with a 7k minimum) uninfused ring (Seriously? Uninfused?) and 81 relics (Previously 152)

Is this a bug or intended?

Timlankey.6239:

Relativity.3264:

Timlankey.6239:

Yea I was really confused about who hit what. I updated my reddit thread with what I believe was the right information.

World Firsts:
1/2 – Zip and Particlar (EU)
3 – Fastous Booties (NA)
4-8 – Timlankey, Rinne, Menno, Abriel (NA)

Sorry for all the mix up guys, but like Zip said the leaderboards will really have the final say, we don’t know if there are any silent 50s around

World firsts:
Iquasi (Bjorn Blackbear) and me (Zip) EU

As for the rest I don’t know, but Jonte (Particlar) hit 50 just after your stream (He raged when you got aetherblades instead of dredge for third frac :P)

Oh god, didn’t realize we were that close neck and neck. We got Mai Trin and friggan Dredge a ton.

Well on tuesday we quit to sleep after 35 and your stream just started a 34. When we hit 50 you were at 46 snow. Jonte had 4 levels to go after we hit 50 so we went for it (We weren’t exactly focussed at that point :P) and he hit 50 ~20 mins after you

Timlankey.6239:

Yea I was really confused about who hit what. I updated my reddit thread with what I believe was the right information.

World Firsts:
1/2 – Zip and Particlar (EU)
3 – Fastous Booties (NA)
4-8 – Timlankey, Rinne, Menno, Abriel (NA)

Sorry for all the mix up guys, but like Zip said the leaderboards will really have the final say, we don’t know if there are any silent 50s around

World firsts:
Iquasi (Bjorn Blackbear) and me (Zip) EU

As for the rest I don’t know, but Jonte (Particlar) hit 50 just after your stream (He raged when you got aetherblades instead of dredge for third frac :P)

Timlankey.6239:

You were 1st in world correct. I was speaking of NA specifically though since the leaderboards will be split.

Well technically I (Zip) am first in the world – we hit 50 at the exact same millisecond but I was fractal level 80 before so I get credit… Right guys?… Right?…

Congrats by the way! Sophia was keeping in touch with us when you got it.

When she said you thought we were world first I didn’t believe it. I’m still not sure. When we were 43 we had heard of the 46 instability, but it’s possible whoever was ahead of us turned in for the night. Leaderboards will have the final say.

As for NA though, two people did beat us. It was Particular and the guy in his screenshot.

You mean particlar? That would be this screenshot and that’s us in EU so you could well be NA first. (That said the US had a time advantage since the patch hit us at 9pm so someone might have beaten you there)

Sarahfull.4930:

Gratz ^ ^ i have to say, im not looking forward to lvl44..

43 is worse

Wethospu.6437:

Nice. Any comments about the difficulty?

Pathetic.

42 was interesting, not being able to dodge more than once a minute by default. 43 and 44 were just damage throttles (43 being far worse than 44) that made things painful.

Level 43 was a pain: killing a horde of dredge while you’re not allowed to attack most of the time (Even dropping a wall of reflection is an instant down) was arguably more boring than dredge at 79 was. The molten bosses were also annoying – not because of the bosses but because you couldn’t kill the champion before the adds showed up without the instability killing you. We resulted to kiting the adds away while the rest of the team drew out the fight.

We 4manned 47 and 48 because we couldn’t find a 5th. Did both in about 1h30m total.

We did aetherblade fractal @ 49 in 7 minutes without trying for any particular time, could probably get it to 6 with some work.

Tldr: It’s easier than ever, except for one or 2 nasty levels.

http://i.imgur.com/NnsvtWo.jpg

Dalent.9358:

My point was that no one has done it, so don’t assume anything other than it’s literal fractal number. I quoted him out of context because, well, I was doing the same he did.

Maybe destroyed was a bad choice of words, but I’m willing to bet it will be worth it.

No I was talking about current fotm 77/79. There’s no gambit in the world that will make 50 as hard as those are now, but if you say we’ll get “Destroyed” it hints that you’ve never done 70+.

I’ve seen far too many people defend this patch while saying things that clearly show they don’t know fractals. (Ie: “Just level to 80 again after the patch!”…)

Dalent.9358:

all you 50+ people would be DESTROYED in fractals 50, and would probably start over anyways

1: You’ve obviously never played 77/79
2: It sounds like you’ve never played 48
3: I’m going to go ahead and quote him AGAIN:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50.

Honestly I would love to come to this forum on tuesday and say:

Anet you are AWESOME.

In appreciation for giving me this awesome title I’m buying a kitten ton of gems and infinite gathering tools.

You had me worried for a while, but you came through for us heavyweights in a big way. Thank you.

But I doubt I’ll get the chance…

Konu.1826:

Having a team fully stacked with projectile defenses might have something to do with difficulty. Not to take anything away from you but in case you wanted more challenge.

Yeah you can 4man grawl naked at 79 with that kind of team. Hmm… lets do that instead :P

AtriustheGod.6785:

it promises “unlimited stages!” and “Increasing difficulty with each stage, how high can you get?”

Ironic that they broke the promise in that patch, since that patch is the one where they first broke one of their promises and added a gear treadmill.

Fractals will get a bad name since every time there’s a major change to it anet breaks a promise.

Naked huh? I’ll bite. (And might as well ditch some trinkets too, who gets hit by agony anyway :P)

< Desolation Guard/mes/thief

Not on tomorrow but friday or after is good for me. Lets roll all fracs at 79 one at a time so we cover everything

Pretty much everyone defending this patch has only one fractal character, and that character is below 50. Probably don’t even do 48 dailies.

If the reset was down 20 levels flat even the l25 nabs saying the reset is a good thing would turn on anet.

Nike.2631:

Because if you have the skill and wherewithal to climb the existing personal rewards mountain, you’ll be able to do it again, and position yourself to go even higher when they formally unlock the beyond 50 levels.

Great, just have to wait another year till the next fractal update then!

Because for every person who is as good at fractals as they claim, it means this is a comparatively minor setback that paves the way to future glory.

We could go straight to 80 after patch too – if there wasn’t an artifical cap. Now the hardest thing in PvE is a 50. Wow. Real hard. /yawn

And this is exactly why we deserve compensation for alts and levels over 50.

By my math anet owes you 342g

islarose.7356:

Fact is, they’re increasing the difficulty of 30+

Lie

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50.

Excuses for resetting us to 30:

Leaderboards

With a total of 50 available levels the granularity on these leaderboards is so small it’s useless. If you intend to calculate things other than level (kills, time taken, etc) there is no reason to reset the level.

Not a valid excuse.

Levels 30+ are now harder, leaving people at previous levels would be giving them an unfair shortcut

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50.

Not a valid excuse.

Compensation for resetting us to 30:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I agree. They could have said “you can do 50+, technically! but there’s a possibility all of your progress will be wiped at a later date due to what we are planning with fractals”

Not even, more like “31+ technically”

Probably not. Might not be tiered at all. All we know is it’s accountbound daily now.

Brilliant for people who didn’t put any effort into leveling up alts. The people who did get no advantage at all.

Floryn.6307:

I like how that article is signed “by The Guild Wars 2 Team”. I guess no individual wants to take responsibility for this unreal/utterly flawed decision.

I like how they didn’t mention the reset anywhere in that article, you have to go digging through the other one to see it.