Guild Wars 2

BlackBeard.2873:

I would gladly exchange a the ability swap weapons in combat for a nerf on mist-form. As it is, your most effective role as an ele is to run to the back of the keep, wait about 20s to leave combat, then equip a staff. If I could switch to staff quicker, you wouldn’t see these kamikaze eles that drop down, do about 10 damage, and retreat inside. I know some people do it, but it is simply not effective to do anyway.

Are you really complaining about 1-2 bags/day, anyway? If you remove the portal ability of mistform, then no ele downed ability has any use at all, anywhere.

Eles have 4 sets of weapon utilities for each weaponset. There is a very good reason why they cannot swap weapons easily.

They should just make it impossible for players to mist form from a downed state to run into the tower/keep. That’s it. It’s not the skill that needs to be nerfed.

Nirvana.5796:

Guild Versus Guild:

Terror vs Vindico Knights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJrmDTisO-k

Thanks TG for the fights!

Definitely not our best GvG, haha. Between the server network issues and our lack of guild participants, it was like trying to gather the minutemen to skirmish with the Redcoats. We had fun and we wished that some of you guys had stayed for some duels.

Let’s wait to see how this is implemented before we bash them. If it is a field like the Radiation Field from the Rata Sum rune, then this is not a game changer in the least. A thief will simply sit back and hit from afar. If the enemy decides to stay in there, then oh well. They can sit there all they like. In fact, I’d probably just get more thieves, have them all equip scorpion wire, and play Tug-O-War.

For fractals? You can also give the Venom-Share build a try. 30/x/30/x/x where x is the other ten points.

Shameless plug about how awesome [TG] is and how we love to fight both FA and TC and stuff…when we’re not all disconnecting. Also, yay for good fights! I just wish FABL didn’t disconnect me every 15-30 minutes. Ugh! >:(

Hadan.2841:

Suralin.3947:

Mandar.9813:

Gellor.6497:

Mandar.9813:

I’m bummed to read that Wreckdya is leaving DB and am struggling not to feel a bit betrayed and instead be supportive, knowing that a decision like that must have its reasons. In any event…Wreckdya, I always enjoyed getting to run with you and hope that, ultimately, you guys all find contentment in your new home. Hope you are ready to face the other side of our Wrath!

Krew left DB about a month ago

Are we too much awesome to handle?

They left to find more evenly matched fights. So they went to a European server. I am not sure what happened between then and now, but [TG] certainly wishes them well. We’ve had our moments working with [Krew] when they were on DB, struggling together on the various BLs. I’m sure Wreckdya and Bronade would like to catch up. ;-)

Always had respect for TG, You guys fought alongside us when no1 else would when TC/FA took turns bashin us around. It will be alot of fun seeing you guys again, this time from the other side.

Lol. I’m not sure if ‘fun’ would be the definition you’d be using after you greet us. Our guild has grown pretty rapidly since you’ve last seen us. I didn’t think it was possible for us to field 50+ on reset night. Although, maybe 10 of us called it quits 30min into it because of the DCs and lag.

Mandar.9813:

Gellor.6497:

Mandar.9813:

I’m bummed to read that Wreckdya is leaving DB and am struggling not to feel a bit betrayed and instead be supportive, knowing that a decision like that must have its reasons. In any event…Wreckdya, I always enjoyed getting to run with you and hope that, ultimately, you guys all find contentment in your new home. Hope you are ready to face the other side of our Wrath!

Krew left DB about a month ago

I was not aware of this exodus as well. I don’t get it.

Are we too much awesome to handle?

They left to find more evenly matched fights. So they went to a European server. I am not sure what happened between then and now, but [TG] certainly wishes them well. We’ve had our moments working with [Krew] when they were on DB, struggling together on the various BLs. I’m sure Wreckdya and Bronade would like to catch up. ;-)

skinnyb.5920:

Can someone from DB please inform [CO] that the windmill behind south camp is the unofficial dueling spot? They have been griefing it for a while now.

I’m not from [CO], but if it’s unofficial, they have every right to disrupt it as much as you have every right to sanction it off. Or you could inform them yourself by selecting their char and type /invite

Ranger, imo. Better support healing, better long-term DPS, especially if you go conditions, and generally better support. If you go with a thief, try to have a P/P weaponset on you for the boss fights, use the Shortbow for the rest applying poisons and blast finishers for boons and conditions.

0/20/30/20/0 D/P \\ S/D. I’m loving the ability to just Strip boons and have Blinds with these weaponsets. Although, to be fair, I never bothered with the gimmicky burst GC thieves that relied too heavily on a chain of skills such as Mug. I prefer to dance and make the enemy think he’s doing okay.

I think some people are too hasty. As a roamer/dps, I don’t see that gearset working, but if you’re a Venom-Share with the purpose of support in zergs or dungeons, (main SB//S/D), you can survive pretty decently if you spec 30/x/30/x/x.

Agonoize.4021:

Divinity/Scholar/Lyssa/Beryl Orb/Ruby Orb/Pack

All depends on what you want from your thief and if you do WvW what your guild wants.

I play a thief as main in a guild that focuses on WvW mostly.

Stats : 19,5k Life,2800 Armor,3250 attack,55% chance,88 CD

A full Zerker thief cant provide that much and will not last in a sustained fight.
And being a free rally for the enemy is never a good thing.

What’s your build? I suspect at least 30 in SA.

Incurafy.6329:

How about we just stop asking for Thief nerfs, eh? I don’t know about you guys but I’m sick of being nerfed. ;\

It wasn’t a nerf. But since this is the only view that people seem to take on suggestions or ideas unless it was a blatant buff without any drawbacks or trades, then it must be a nerf, neh? And of course, this guy has to be a non-thief because his idea is (from the apparent views of many thieves) a bad one that seems to just scream nerf, neh? Maybe it didn’t occur to you that this might have buffed Condition/Trap Bunker thieves? Removed an obvious advantage of the D/P thief? And left other builds alone? No? Okay. So glad to know everyone thought this through.

Auesis.7301:

What do the new Smoke Screen, Shield of Absorption, Swirling Winds etc. get affected by? Like, what projectiles are defined as unblockable? Does that include various places in PvE like Old Tom and the Asura at the end of that Fractal, Lava Elementals and other things?

Because THAT would suck. BIG time.

I’m pretty sure it’s just siege, but I don’t know…

bhagwad.4281:

Suralin.3947:

bhagwad.4281:

Many thieves don’t “get” why people hate stealth. Hope this thought experiment will illustrate why.

Thought experiment: Remove stealth and change it to invulnerability instead. Who will complain?

1. Thieves often claim that they have no defense and so they require stealth to survive. So giving them invulnerability for the same duration will solve all their complaints right? Everything remains as before. Invulnerability is lost on dealing damage and provides a water tight defense

Question for thieves: Would you be willing to swap stealth for invulnerability?
Same question for non thieves: Would you prefer to fight an invulnerable thief rather than a stealthed thief:

Prediction: Thieves would prefer stealth over invulnerability. Non thieves would prefer to fight invulnerable thieves rather than stealthed vulnerable ones.

YES! Invulnerability for 3s would be awesome. Invulnerability for 10s for placing down SR? I place it down and me and 4 others are now invulnerable, dancing while you place useless AoE and then we prance down the yellow brick road…

What’s the point? You lose invul as soon as you make an attack. So you’re not doing any damage either. Nor are you capping anything.

Would like more responses from non thief players though…

The point is, you just went from “Hard to kill” thief to “Impossible to Kill” thief.

bhagwad.4281:

Many thieves don’t “get” why people hate stealth. Hope this thought experiment will illustrate why.

Thought experiment: Remove stealth and change it to invulnerability instead. Who will complain?

1. Thieves often claim that they have no defense and so they require stealth to survive. So giving them invulnerability for the same duration will solve all their complaints right? Everything remains as before. Invulnerability is lost on dealing damage and provides a water tight defense

Question for thieves: Would you be willing to swap stealth for invulnerability?
Same question for non thieves: Would you prefer to fight an invulnerable thief rather than a stealthed thief:

Prediction: Thieves would prefer stealth over invulnerability. Non thieves would prefer to fight invulnerable thieves rather than stealthed vulnerable ones.

YES! Invulnerability for 3s would be awesome. Invulnerability for 10s for placing down SR? I place it down and me and 4 others are now invulnerable, dancing while you place useless AoE and then we prance down the yellow brick road…

Auesis.7301:

Agreed. However, I don’t see this ever happening. An Adept trait halving Cripple/Chill/Immobilise when we already have numerous ways to remove those conditions, and a huge flat reduction in condition damage? Every build ever would use at least 10 Shadow Arts. That doesn’t seem healthy.

You have HiS, Withdraw, RoI, and then Shadow’s Embrace to remove Cripple/Chill/Immobilise. You remove SE’s effects on removing these conditions altogether and force the thief to rely on the other skills to remove the CC. And it doesn’t have to be a huge damage reduction. It could be 10%,15%, 20%. Whatever it is, the effect is more powerfully felt in larger fights where conditions are thrown about and thereby improving the livability of the thief.

randomfightfan.4091:

Looking at this makes me wonder what you think about ele. Saying that mostly cause embrace is one of the thief’s only viable way to clear condition in a fight. Hide in shadows? Please, once every 30s = dead thief. Shadowstep WOULD be good if the condi removal wasn’t just on the return. If it was 1 condition on in and out imo it would be much better.

SE is used mostly by stealth heavy thieves x/D & D/P. And these thieves require to be in the thick of it at all times. It makes the D/P thief incredibly powerful just by itself. Also, the thief has the Signet of Agility that removes a condition for every ally in the area which also has a base cd of 30s and can be traited for less than that? Although, I do agree on the Shadowstep removing a condition on use.

Auesis.7301:

If all you’re concerned about is the removal rate, how about just not having the immediate removal but keeping the 3s interval removal, or the other way around?

Because that doesn’t fix the thief’s viability in a group fight and would, instead, make it far worse.

As a thief, I always found Shadow’s Embrace to be a very powerful tool, especially considering what it can do. I also find that if you’re a Stealth-reliant thief, not having Shadow’s Embrace is a huge disadvantage because of how powerful it is. And for those thieves that don’t know, here:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shadow's_Embrace

This is a Tier I trait and one that is incredibly powerful as it removes a condition instantly and then a condition every 3s. What makes this powerful is that it works on CC conditions like Cripple and Immobilize, so it isn’t hard for a thief to throw down SR, or BlindingPowder and stealth their way out of a killzone after having one of these CC conditions applied to it, especially in 1v1, and that can be frustrating to a lot of players who are trying to kill this thief, including other thieves. Likewise, in a group fight where Conditions are thrown about nonstop (like in WvW zergs or PvE/Dungeons), the thief ends up taking a lot of damage very quickly and so isn’t very much preferred in these group settings.

My idea is to try and solve the issue of the thief too easily livable in a 1vX and too easily killed in group fights (XvX where X>1). Change Shadow’s Embrace so it does the following while in Stealth:

1. Reduce the duration of CC conditions like Cripple and Immobilize by 50%.
   Make the thief less likely to just get away in the event that it encounters a large group, but still have that chance.
2. Reduce the damage of other Conditions by 30%.
   Make the thief have a greater sustainability in larger fights and much more likely to be a boon to his teammates rather than a detriment.
3. A slight chance for glancing blows.
   A thief is hard to hit in Stealth, but when it does get it, the thief should at least be allowed a chance to not receive an overly punishing critical strike.

3 could be removed altogether, but the main ideas are in 1 and 2. And this might require some tweaks to Shadow Refuge, since it would benefit from this the most. What do you think?

TL;DR – Shadow’s Embrace shouldn’t have remove conditions on stealth, but reduction of damage and duration.

I miss the fights with [PYRO] & [D|ERP} already. Unfortunately, we won’t be able to fight you guys anymore unless you move up to T2, which is unlikely, because from the looks of things, we’ll be staying here in T2 for a long time.

With P/P you need to build the thief so that it can regain initiative quickly. And your mobility would come from your utilities, not exactly the thief weaponset (ie, Withdraw, RoI). I’ve seen P/P thieves roflface players in 1v1, which it can do well if you know how to use blinds, headshots, and unload. The issue is when the thief has to deal with more than one unit such as phantasm/shatter mesmers and minion necros.

deracs.1762:

Calvin.5380:

deracs.1762:

Thursday a.m. pretty much sums up T3 for the last 2 months. DB owns 95% of the maps, and yet they still have 30+ in EB, with 15+ siege, camping the spawn point. This is what T3 is right now, and is simply sad

You should login around 7-11PM EST, if possible. You’ll see lots of exciting, even matches during that time.

This was true for a while. Now sadly even this is no longer true. Logged into EB at 9pm EST last night and we had the outmanned buff. It used to be as you said, good fights, even numbers on a couple maps, but I think at least for YB people have just given up for now.
Going from the occasional EB que during our prime time to having the outmanned buff every night now, kind of tells the tale

When people play for points, that’s when it becomes a problem. When people play for fights, then you’ll find enjoyment in that. I know the fairweather players will just give up, but entire guilds giving up is no excuse, imo. I know [TG] will try to find even fights and engage the best we can. I know that we try to challenge ourselves with Alamos and play Tom & Jerry when we’re outmanned. There is fun to be had in WvW, even when you’re outnumbered. T2 will be great for our SEA. I don’t think it’ll be great for our smaller guilds.

Molch.2078:

Poison isn’ a good damage-dealing condition, it’s worth ~2 bleeds. The -33% heal is the strong point. And 3 bleeds for 4 sec from cluster is not much if compared to the huge direct damage it’s able to deliver. The Autoattack is not weak either and no conditiondmg here.

Spliting the bomb increases the damage of both the direct damage and the bleed damage. (look it up if you don’t believe this) If there is no combofield for the blastfinisher, always split.

Venom thief applies weakness on poison. Tack that on, and you’ve applied about 10s of weakness on the fool that stood there for a few seconds. Hit a zerg and you’ve applied weakness up to 5 people at a time.

Also, Poison Field + Cluster Bomb = Area Weakness. Do not denounce how effective weakness can be in a zerg fight or on glass cannon builds:

“Endurance regeneration decreased by 50%; 50% of Non Critical hits are glancing blows (50% damage); stacks duration”

Personally, I see the Shortbow as Precision/Condition weapon.

Calvin.5380:

Vi Au.8341:

the thing is TC, sine CD transfer has similar # if not just a little less during SEA crew to DB, and has a massive NA crew that even with your new transfer will have a lot of trouble to compete

well best of luck

yeah, TC has better numbers and coverage. There may be times when we’ll feel helpless, the way some servers feel during our SEA times. I’m still glad, just because there’ll be a change.

Thanks for the early wishes, and good luck to you guys too (even though it’s still Monday)!

Has everyone already forgotten the stompings DB received in T3 when TC or FA or Kain were here? I mean, we have an idea of what we’re getting into, everyone knows why we’re winning, but to demean the guilds that actually try to switch it up or fight their hardest, no matter which server they’re on, is ridiculous, childish, and reeks of self-esteem issues.

Vi Au.8341:

I get emoted all the time when i get killed but thats due to having a very high rank and multiple legendary i guess. oh + im a thief. ppl like to emote on thieves

You, too, huh? When I was fighting this D/D ele, he laughed when I kept stealthing (I’m not GC) and couldn’t kill him (because he was bunker). So while in Stealth, I just /laugh and /laugh every time in turn. Even more so when a friend of his (another D/D ele) jumped in.

povV.5681:

db +690 atm and fighting 20 – 4 of us on yak bl mag spawn…while they /laugh. gotta love the poor sportsmanship. wtg guys.

Unfortunately, there are plenty of players on all servers that think taunting is cool thing to do. I avoid it as best as I can. I know there were times in my guild where we taunted people. I saw on of my guildies jumping all over a [PYRO] member and I told them to stop. Next thing you know, we’re arguing about morality in games…on a raid night!

saiyr.3071:

Did someone say wiping YB pug zerg?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOEkJpANGLE

Wow…you guys really do have the same style as us. It’s a little creepifying… I know what guild I’ll end up joining if [TG] ever breaks up or moves on beyond GW2 to a game I don’t like. ;-)

I have mixed feelings about getting new guilds on DB. It’ll be nice to finally shore up our NA time, but when we get to T2, I’ll miss the fun fights with [PYRO], [D|ERP], [AI], etc.

saiyr.3071:

Yeah…sorry to bust your bubble buddy but I’m west coast, the sun will set on the east coast before I get back from work :P

Oh, well, I guess we can postpone it… Can we say I win since, you know, you’re a no show? It would mean that you’d have to accept the title of “Coward”, as disgraceful as that sounds. :\ Rules are rules, you know. >.>

saiyr.3071:

Suralin.3947:

saiyr.3071:

Suralin.3947:

saiyr.3071:

Suralin.3947:

saiyr.3071:

Suralin.3947:

I want to get in to this kitten contest!

[TG] is the best guild on DB as titled by Paralda of [PYRO] of Maguuma. :-D

In other news, [PYRO] and [D|ERP] are [TG]‘s best friends on Mag. We also love |FATE| from [AI] and we try to avoid killing him when we see him by his lonesome. And when he’s with his guildies, we try to all give him a nice big hug with the pointy end of our sticks.

Well I’m glad at least TG is reasonable in this thread I don’t think either of our guilds would leave Maguuma, though! Besides, someone on your server owes me 40,000 gold for not transferring.

Yeah? Well, I’ll give you 30 Gold if you do transfer! :-D

I think you should give it to me anyway…I mean, what’s 30g between friends, right?

Friends don’t let friends go broke. ;-)

Hmph…you’d probably use that line if I did transfer anyway. I’m onto your web of lies!

Are you calling me a liar, good sir? How dare thee!? Thou shalt not mock thy honor!

Nonsense…I’m merely stating that a lie appeared in your post…somehow…

Thou art too late! The die is cast! Blade will cross blade upon the battlefield before the sun sets on the East Coast of the American States! >:(

… I need to get home from work, first, though.

saiyr.3071:

Suralin.3947:

saiyr.3071:

Suralin.3947:

saiyr.3071:

Suralin.3947:

I want to get in to this kitten contest!

[TG] is the best guild on DB as titled by Paralda of [PYRO] of Maguuma. :-D

In other news, [PYRO] and [D|ERP] are [TG]‘s best friends on Mag. We also love |FATE| from [AI] and we try to avoid killing him when we see him by his lonesome. And when he’s with his guildies, we try to all give him a nice big hug with the pointy end of our sticks.

Well I’m glad at least TG is reasonable in this thread I don’t think either of our guilds would leave Maguuma, though! Besides, someone on your server owes me 40,000 gold for not transferring.

Yeah? Well, I’ll give you 30 Gold if you do transfer! :-D

I think you should give it to me anyway…I mean, what’s 30g between friends, right?

Friends don’t let friends go broke. ;-)

Hmph…you’d probably use that line if I did transfer anyway. I’m onto your web of lies!

Are you calling me a liar, good sir? How dare thee!? Thou shalt not mock thy honor!

saiyr.3071:

Suralin.3947:

saiyr.3071:

Suralin.3947:

I want to get in to this kitten contest!

[TG] is the best guild on DB as titled by Paralda of [PYRO] of Maguuma. :-D

In other news, [PYRO] and [D|ERP] are [TG]‘s best friends on Mag. We also love |FATE| from [AI] and we try to avoid killing him when we see him by his lonesome. And when he’s with his guildies, we try to all give him a nice big hug with the pointy end of our sticks.

Well I’m glad at least TG is reasonable in this thread I don’t think either of our guilds would leave Maguuma, though! Besides, someone on your server owes me 40,000 gold for not transferring.

Yeah? Well, I’ll give you 30 Gold if you do transfer! :-D

I think you should give it to me anyway…I mean, what’s 30g between friends, right?

Friends don’t let friends go broke. ;-)

Martrim.1078:

Thanks for a great week [TG], we had some great fights.

@Calvin, stop with the PvF, u are making your server look bad

So long as you have fun fighting us, we’ll have fun far- I mean, fighting you. ;-)

Hope to see you guys at reset!

saiyr.3071:

Suralin.3947:

I want to get in to this kitten contest!

[TG] is the best guild on DB as titled by Paralda of [PYRO] of Maguuma. :-D

In other news, [PYRO] and [D|ERP] are [TG]‘s best friends on Mag. We also love |FATE| from [AI] and we try to avoid killing him when we see him by his lonesome. And when he’s with his guildies, we try to all give him a nice big hug with the pointy end of our sticks.

Well I’m glad at least TG is reasonable in this thread I don’t think either of our guilds would leave Maguuma, though! Besides, someone on your server owes me 40,000 gold for not transferring.

Yeah? Well, I’ll give you 30 Gold if you do transfer! :-D

I want to get in to this kitten contest!

[TG] is the best guild on DB as titled by Paralda of [PYRO] of Maguuma. :-D

In other news, [PYRO] and [D|ERP] are [TG]‘s best friends on Mag. We also love |FATE| from [AI] and we try to avoid killing him when we see him by his lonesome. And when he’s with his guildies, we try to all give him a nice big hug with the pointy end of our sticks.

Rissou.7213:

A pistol thief have 3 utilities to use for stealth, but I highly doubt they are on short cooldown enough for him to spam stealth with.

Also, If i ever see a dual pistol thief killing mesmer and guardian in a 2vs1 situation, im gonna be traumatized for the rest of my life. Guardian and mesmer is 2 of the hardest counters against thief ever.

You most likely fought a Pistol/dagger thief, who can go stealth every 4 seconds and use sneak attack, which looks like Unload for people who dont play thief

Edit: There isnt much you can do to counter it, except become a better player.

Thief was certainly 30 in SA. First trait is 20% reduction in Deception Skill CD. That knocks the cooldown to 32s for BP, 48s for SR, and the regular 30 for HiS. With enough endurance for dodge rolls, you could just as well stealth continuously, especially if the P/P thief took his time to not use Sneak Attack until the very end of his stealth.

[PYRO] & [D|ERP] I don’t think you guys belong on Maguuma. You guys are way too fun and nice compared to [ME] and [iLL]. We trade [BP] for you guys, eh?

mPascoal.4258:

Suralin.3947:

Most tanky-esqe thieves will have 30 in SA and have plenty of ways to stealth (Hide in Shadows, CnD [x/D], Blinding Powder, Shadow Refuge) to remove conditions, heal, and gain might. They’ll also often have at least 15 in Acrobatics to gain some Endurance on dodge, allowing a thief 3 dodge rolls in the span of 2. Even further, some thieves will have 15 in Trickery to get the gain 3 Initiative on Steal & Increase of Initiative Pool. This leaves 10 points that you can pretty much put wherever you want and gear your thief appropriately.

I liked this and what do you recomend for gear? knight and berserker? (knight for a bit of defence)

Personally, I wouldn’t go Berserker. You can go Knight’s & Valkyrie or Carrion & Rabid. Most who go for this kind of tanky build will generally be just a Condition Thief with Caltrops and Poison fields.

Understand that a “tanky” thief is one that doesn’t get hit, so Evasions, Stealth, and Dodge Rolls (like RoI and Withdraw), and Shadowsteps. So any build that gives you plenty of Evasions/Stealth/Rolls/Shadowsteps (Pick 2) will be sufficient as a thief. I threw out the above because it’s the easiest and most-well known type of “tank” thief.

kerona.3465:

In any case, your new PvF warriors have serious issues. At least Mag is adorable.

It’s okay, guys! As the newly titled “Best Guild of DB” (-Commander Paralda – Leader of [PYRO]), [TG] will be more than happy to balance out the PvF with the occasional joking WvW raids in-game. Yesterday, in Mag BL, we fought [PYRO] and [D|ERP] with a new guild [rB]. After awhile, we had enough members to go about and do our own thing. Then we placed down rams on the bridge south of Hills. Fun battles there, [PYRO]. Unfortunately, because I’m EST, I had to leave shortly after that. So I hope more fun was had with you guys.

jzbush.8249:

I like to play condition d/d using death blossom and dropping caltrops and dodge trops. In pve I can quickly burn through enemy mobs just by doing this, but is it viable on wvwvw at all? I like the play style but have mulled over switching to more of a crit thief now that I’m nearing lvl 80. Thoughts or suggestions?

It can be a little difficult, especially considering that most zergs spam so much AoE. I ran D/D // P/P condition for a long while in WvW and then respecced for a little sacrifice on condition damage for crit. So long as you have a stunbreaker like RoI or Withdraw, and you use Death Blossom, I think you can be effective. It just takes a little more finger-dancing on the keyboard since you really have to get into the thick of it.

Most tanky-esqe thieves will have 30 in SA and have plenty of ways to stealth (Hide in Shadows, CnD [x/D], Blinding Powder, Shadow Refuge) to remove conditions, heal, and gain might. They’ll also often have at least 15 in Acrobatics to gain some Endurance on dodge, allowing a thief 3 dodge rolls in the span of 2. Even further, some thieves will have 15 in Trickery to get the gain 3 Initiative on Steal & Increase of Initiative Pool. This leaves 10 points that you can pretty much put wherever you want and gear your thief appropriately.

Casey.9687:

To Dragonbrand From AI with love…=D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJftw71Fbio

I cried with I saw |Fate| get downed at the end… such cool dudes |Fate| and |Luck| are. sniff sniff

I tried to use Tripwire in a Fight Club to help maintain distance against D/D Eles. Although, this was back when I was a tanky condition thief. For Eles, though, I needed to make sure they didn’t move around all the time, so Trip Wire, Needle Trap, Basilisk Venom, and Blinding Powder with P/P worked well in that situation.

ParaldaWind.4523:

[TG] is probably the hardest to fight. They don’t always run necro heavy, but when they do, it really plays into their hands well. As far as I can tell, they rely on their superior discipline to bait enemy zergs to push into them, while moving backwards or sideways dropping a ton of AOE. I’m always very impressed when I see them, just by how well they stick together. [D|ERP] and [TG] run very very similarly, and a GvG between them would be awesome. We had some of the closest GvG fights with [TG] that we’ve had in months. Some criticisms: not the best stability uptime, at least when they run with a lot of necros (which is admittedly not all the time), and I would utilize veil more if I were them. It seems wrong to not push, but their patience really rewards them. Overall, the best guild on Dragonbrand, bar none.

We certainly appreciate this. [TG] will be glad to know that you find us challenging when we aren’t running around as Meese.

We had the opportunity to fight against [D|ERP] awhile. It wasn’t a true GvG, but it was [TG] & Company vs. [D|ERP] & Company and they certainly do a lot of the things we do. We had to change our tactics often to prevent [D|ERP] from pulling us into range of the Legendary defenders at the waypoint and whenever we veiled, they would quickly put up walls to block us. It was a very entertaining, but highly mobile and drawn out fight.

[BP] is amusing.

That battle at hills was even more amusing. We (ie, [TG]) found Frodo Baggins and we created the Fellowship to get him into Mt. Doom to destroy the One Ring. We let Gondor (note, [BP]) PvD the Black Gates of Mordor while the Fellowship stood guard to make sure Frodo made it through safely. Once the gates were down, The Mouth of Sauron came out to greet us but was promptly killed by the Gondorians. And that’s when some Uruk’Hai (Yak’s Bend) tried to take out the Army of Gondor from behind in a bold attempt to overthrow Sauron!

Alas, they attacked too early and were annihilated as they were caught between the forces of Mordor and reinforcements of Rohan (The DB that got wiped by the YB zerg). Frodo and the Fellowship dropped the Ring and we promptly gave Frodo all credit for the destruction of Mordor.

Why was this thread revived a month later?

saiyr.3071:

eithinan.9841:

saiyr.3071:

Yeah, this match has been fun so far, screw points. Friday night was an awesome fight against YB for our west keep back (trying to taking east keep back was less awesome on our part). Saturday…don’t even remember Saturday. But guild raid on YB yesterday was really fun because we had other commanders doing stuff on the map too which let us stay mostly as a guild group the entire time. Also that TG guy that was randomly jumping along with us outside YB’s west keep by the water is awesome, I hope nobody killed you

He didnt get killed by you guys for at least a little while. I watched the whole thing while in the tower outside the DB spawn after you took it* :P I watched that whole battle in front of the tower from on top of the rock and was cheering you all on. Without culling that was truly something to see. You guys have some phenomenal movement as a group. That was also some solid flanking you did too after you pulled back to regroup.

*i ran in before you capped and stealthed until you were gone.

Ha, didn’t even notice, though I did see the cheering from the boulder. I think we were in a hurry to go to west keep. I don’t think anyone from our guild would have killed the TG guy, but we had some pubbies trailing us at that point, too.

Do you remember what class and race and whether they were upscaled or not? I can probably guess as to who it is.

Your build is all over the place and is limiting both your ability to survive and your ability to deal damage. First, ditch the rampager’s gear. With your current approach, you don’t need the conditions, so think about getting Knight’s or Valk’s or Berserker’s. You want to focus your build on power/crit or condition/crit or power/condition, but not all 3 since you’ll just be removing a lot of your staying power with lower dps.

In Deadly Arts, I recommend switching out Dagger Trainig for Sundering Strikes. I would remove 10 from Critical Strikes and add them to Shadow Arts to get the regen on stealth. Also, since you’re roaming, you should change from Shadow Protector to either Master of Deception, Shadow’s Embrace, or Infusion of Shadow. And since all 30 points have gone into Shadow Arts, you can change out Hide in Shadows heal for Withdraw (and then have Blinding Powder/Shadow Refuge as your other utilities).

Finally, since you’re roaming or small group, Basilisk Venom or Thieves Guild is far more effective than Dagger Storm. Dagger Storm is very effective against large numbers of ranged players, but not so much 1v1 or 5v5 for the cooldown it has.

Bazeleel.8219:

Never said roflwin so not sure why you think this.

What is the best WvWvW thief build right now?

No, I didn’t misread that. I’m not taking anything personal, I’m pointing out the perception you’re giving off.