Guild Wars 2

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

the thing is if you take away both conditions and crit – what does the leave people who don’t play warrior?

Mesmers already had a condi nerf last year… it is becoming very difficult to play a mesmer with a viable build that is not just pure 100% support… we are fast heading in the direction of becoming the monks of GW2.

My builds now rely on runes and sigils to work… without them there is nothing to play with

I mean seriously… I don’t know why warriors are qqing about mesmers… we go down to one hit from a warrior, and two hits from a thief. We are the squishiest profession in the game now – even more squishy than a thief.

Mesmers are still extremely viable as both condition and power, I main a mesmer and I believe they are still the most powerful class 1vX.

As power, shatter builds are still very viable. (that means no PU cheese)

As condition they are arguably overpowered. At only 1k condition damage illusionary counter can do 9.1k damage in WvW(with duration food) on an 8 second cooldown. That’s just one example, not even accounting for the fact that it is a block, and a bugged dodge for about a quarter second after an attack is blocked while you create a clone and hit them with the counter spell.

Eventually they will add condition removal to balance the rate in which conditions are applied , and at that point the meta in small scale WvW/spvp will shift to hybrid. (Celes/rampagers) Hybrid are (usually) main focus power for a large finishing burst, with enough condition damage and application to allow for sustained pressure. They are very powerful, putting out more damage than full zerker, or full condition builds by benefiting from both aspects. This allowed all classes to originally be very balanced.

This is what the game was originally designed to be, it was just too early and the meta had not yet shifted. Anet jumped the gun on buffing conditions only because it wasn’t as widely used. You cannot balance condition with power because it was never meant to be used as a primary aspect of any build, and now by doing so you have thrown the game out of balance.

Natronix.9827:

Miss ya guys too, is beth and iLL still around?

NACHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, I hear you and Olaf are beasting it on Mag haha, keep it up man mags a cheese… I MEAN GOOD, yeah good server. ;D

comeatmemagfagtrolls

Dream In A Dream.7213:

considering that most of of the spying/siege griefing was done by [bags] and the whole drama started due to them destroying siege/supply,

I’m suprised you’re still QQing about us siege griefing you. For your info, we siege griefed our own server, SBI, a whole lot more than we siege griefed YB. We did this to our own server on a daily basis. siege capping the map.

nicknamenick.2437:

ofc its QQ about condi becease this zerker nerf is a indirect buff to condi builds.

I lose 25% crit damage (on full trait its -30% crit damage) so yeah that’s HUGE!

Why even care about crit damage If you can do so much more with condi.. and you can even build defensive also.!

You’re missing the point. Everyone and their mother agrees that condi is the way to go.
The point I’m trying to make with this thread is that there are things that require more attention than class balancing. I.E the little bugs like mist form sometimes being able to be CC’d through, or Illusionary leap not working on hills, or blink/lightning flash/shadowstep rubberbanding you back to the spot you used it from. And so on…

If anything in any class needs balancing then nerfing crit damage shouldn’t be at the top of the list.

I’m not QQing about condi’s. They are easy to deal with for experienced players. I’m just using it as an example for comparison.

And why even care about crit damage? It’s a lot of fun, it’s more fast paced and it’s how I enjoy playing this game. I’m sure I’m not the only one who agrees.

Maskah.1486:

Condition removal much? Unlike straight up damage conditions can be outright negated.

Conditions cater to people who enjoy a slower playstyle, you can simply watch your condition bar and try to spread your condi removals efficiently to remove the ones that are worse than the others.

Avoiding damage is harder to do but requires a lot more skill, quicker reflexes, and knowledge of the class(es) you’re fighting.

I beg to differ, starting with DODGE ROLLS/ENERGY SIGILS.

All of these negate damage.

Warrior: Endure pain, 1 on bar, 1 traited. Shield has a 3 second block.

Guardian: 2 second block on heal. Virtue of courage: Applies aegis. Zealots defense, blocks projectiles for .5 sec. Sanctuary, reflects projectiles. Renewed focus, 2 second invulnerable. Shield of absorbtion. 1.5 second projectile absorbtion.

Engi: Magnetic shield, reflects projectiles. Elixer S, 3 second invulnerable. 1 on slot 1 traited. Tool kit, 4 second block on shield.

Thief: Ability to permastealth. Disabling shot: .25 second spammable evade. Flanking strike, .5 second spammable evade. Pistol whip, short evade. Death blossom, .5 second spammable evade.

Ele: Mist form: Slot skill and trait for invuln. Burning retreat, .25 sec evade. Magnetic Aura: reflects projectiles for 6 seconds. Burning speed: .25sec evade. Swirling winds: destroys projectiles. Obsidian flesh: 4 second invulnerable.

Mesmer: Distortion: 4 second evade with full clones+trait. Can use again at 50% health if traited. Blurred frenzy, .5 sec evade. Trait for 1 sec invulnerable on signet use. Illusionary counter: blocks the next attack. Phantasmal warden: blocks projectiles.

If used in the correct rotation at the right times each class can negate most, if not all of the major damage by timing these right.

That’s all I can think of out of memory, I don’t play ranger or necro so I don’t know those but I know for sure ranger has a workable amount of evades.

Sarrs.4831:

Since I didn’t see a mode in there, I’m going to assume sPvP, so…

Attainable critical damage currently in PvP will remain relatively untouched, as we feel that it is currently in a good place.

This change will have no effect on sPvP.

Sorry, I’ll edit the post now. I was referring to WvW/EoTM PvP.

insanemaniac.2456:

wait wut

i came here expecting ferocity qq and all i get is condi qq ?

so disappoint

I’m not QQing about condi, I’m QQing about the fact they think a crit damage nerf should have priority over almost everything else that’s broken.

This post refers to WvW/EoTM PVP.

Prismatic Understanding Mesmer,

PD Condi thief

LB Condi tank warrior

Condi/terror Necro

Condi/Kit Engi

These are just a few examples of extremely unbalanced builds, and guess what? They are all condi.

I don’t understand why you keep talking about balancing crit damage when IT IS balanced. Instead of nerfing crit damage and introducing this stat that will affect the market/class balance why not just address some of the over powered skills? Reducing the overall damage of every class by 10% is not going to solve anything.

You people need to play your own game, learn what actually needs changing.
It almost seems like you want every single person to play a condi tank class and have 20 minute long boring and stale degeneration fights.

If this is the case then it would appear that you’re trying to remove player skill from the game, not balance classes. You’re assuming the classes aren’t balanced because of the skill curve this game has; some players just will and always will be absolutely terrible. There is no class balance you can do to make them better, you’re only letting them live a couple minutes longer by reducing damage like this.

Let’s look at condi builds:
1. You don’t need power.
2. You don’t NEED precision. (stfu necro’s and engi’s that trait has a cooldown so long that 5% crit chance will proc it)
3. You’re left to put all the rest of your stats in toughness/vitality/condi duration/boon duration/healing power.

This I find absolutely ridiculous. Builds that only require you to stack one stat to be effective should NOT BE BALANCED with the rest of the builds.

Let’s look at zerker: (the build you apparently die to every day on your condi warriors)
1. You NEED power.
2. You NEED precision.
3. You NEED Crit damage.
4. You only have base vitality.
5. You only have base toughness.
6. One wrong turn/ slow dodgeroll and you are dead in literally 1 hit.

Please Anet, hire back the guys who originally developed the game, because I don’t think I’m the only one who knows this has so much more potential.

American.2869:

[BAGS] thank you for all the bags in OS. One of your members killed one of mine who were just chillin’; now your guild will continue to be wiped so long as you keep messing with us.

I’m pretty sure you just got wiped 6v10+. Blobbing against 6 people? LOL King of the Lion is on! ;D

grabemx.9836:

I would like to give a shout out to the mesmer above the water gate inside FA Bay. Didn’t catch the tag, but you hit like a truck. Sorry I fell into the water with a dodge roll lol.

Glass is fun. Power meta please come back, toughness is boring.

Excuse our terrible editing. Some [Bags] kills from last night. Had fun, thanks DB.

We ran 8-15 people in these clips.

Chaba.5410:

Yep, this sounds like a DDLG/BAGS thread alright…

What else would you expect.

Number 1 forum warriors.

Number 1 everything else.

Walnut.8420:

Ehmry get second! Beat those SBI baddies please. By the way, has SBI lost some guilds? Because I am very shocked at your performance this week. Can someone tell me what’s going on?

The 2v1, 90% fair weather PVE players. 10% dedicated WvW player. Neither care about PPT, only dat karma train and kills. Our PvE players don’t want to get organized so zerg v Zerg we fail hard. Soooo what’s left is the other 10%. Even though we lost it was a ton of fun, always people to fight. Way better than every other matchup we’ve had.

Grumbelly.9560:

It is very hypocritical of many that claim SBI does and says all these bad things and acts in less then humble ways, then proceed to do the exact same things week after week even if you aren’t even in the matchup.

Just saying.
#stayclassy

We have a winner.

Dynnen.6405:

Tots, can you tell your FNGs to not be so mean and laugh at us? =*(

Don’t feed the trolls. :O Literally everyone gets laughed at or sat on. Don’t take it personally.

Well this is the first fun matchup all season. Thank you Yaks and Ebay, I can finally get into maps now that the fairweathers are gone. All these karma training kittens are making us terrible. Yaks is a perfect example of the organization our server desperately needs. Hopefully it’s a wake up call. We really needed gold league so this would show earlier. I still think our coverage will take over and win, but it’s a great effort.

Anyway, rabble rabble forum war blah blah Oozo is bad.
/sit
/sit
/sit

My conecern isn’t with the rune, It’s with the sigil. Making more toughness available will only encourage melee train blobs and as a result condition specs will become more powerful as they aren’t affected by toughness. Then we will see more condition spam gameplay than we already do, but that seems to be what anet is going for lately.

The anet devs must all play warriors and must be kittening terrible, because more toughness is the last thing wvw needs.

Snow Ghost.6817:

[Bags] .. Stay with the zergs guys… you dropped seige on my head when your 40-50 man stopped VP taking hills…

You saw what we will do to you at NW tower if you leave your blob.

Game on Bags.. well……. Hunt on!

PS. Does DDLG have anyone worth fighting anymore? I heard a lot left is all. Don’t want to waste my time if they are not organised at least.

Still wanna chat with u guys n stuff but, well.. you know, you set the tone

/salute

Oh the QQ I’m sorry your feelings are hurt Iorek. You should probably stop being so super serious.

The offer for the GvG is still there, in case you ever want it, have a fun matchup! Don’t get too angry now!

/sit
/sit

AKLbow.2463:

No, a perplex thief would say 11111.

I was under the impression it was 4-4-4-4-4.

Dat headshot spam OP.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Yea, I was hoping to get you guys in trouble for being dumbkittens and embarrassing your guild in front of a good portion of the gw2 population. It was worth a shot

Bads will be bads

Sounds like umad man. Watching your streams I can say you are decent… at being bad. If I were you I’d make use of that dodge roll trainer in the mists because you can’t dodge a hammer stun to save your life.

Anyway, to the NSP trolls, nice job, this one’s for you.

No roaming guilds want a 5v5? Weak mag, expected at least a few to bite.

Evalana.5480:

Really? You all need to go back to school and learn to count. Was more than 35. On the mag BL, there wasn’t much of this "running separately, that you are speaking of. We had 2 small zergs going, and after you wiped one, you ran and wiped the other. And there was about 60 in that zerg, easily.

Ark had 15 members on, INC had 20-25ish

15+20 = 35
15+25 = 40

Am I doing this right?

Both our guilds combined don’t even have 80 total on our respective rosters. Ark with 38, INC with less than 40 as well

I’ve heard this too many times at this point.

I love this excuse. Yes 15+25=40, congrats on doing math. However you don’t count the 15-20+ pugs with you as well. Do they not count? I don’t know if you run with commander tags or if mag pugs just instinctively run with guild groups they see. Either way they’re still people.

dreztina.4820:

Tots.3056:

Daily broken, Maguuma killer not working.

[Bags] guild is looking for 5v5 or less gvg’s.

[DDLG] is looking for 15v15 gvg.

Good luck everyone

Ohh kitten. I was going to lament not getting matched vs. EB, but forget that, I’m coming for you Tots.

:) I will find you!

Daily broken, Maguuma killer not working.

[Bags] guild is looking for 5v5 or less gvg’s.

[DDLG] is looking for 15v15 gvg.

Good luck everyone

Amurond.4590:

To the YB commander who initiated a 1v1, ran back to the sentry when he was losing, came back with a thief friend to fight me 2v1, then ran away again after I killed the thief… I lol’d.

That is so funny that I will be laughing for weeks. Internet rep increased by over 9,000.

Albo.7605:

but the groups roaming solely for the purpose of ganking people and trolling was a big problem for me.

We may have a problem this week.

Natronix.9827:

Sbi stole my dream match up

Oh well, have fun out there sbi! IoJ has some work to do agaisnt CD and BP

IoJ stole our dream matchup.

IoJ is bad.

I want to thank GLOB for the GvG tonight. Was a ton of fun, even with the bloodlust imbalance. Hope to see more of you guys this week!

dank.3680:

We don’t recruit bads, sry.

sephiroth.4217:

DDLG Y U BRAG ABOUT BEING SUPERIOR AND HIDE IN TOWER TILL YOU OUTNUMBER US?

ROAR!

wanted 1 good fight before work =’(

We have 6 people running right now.

outplayed.

Stewie.3549:

Loken.9724:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D8H1WM70XA

So..

Thanks for the ‘fights’ [BAGS]

You got a five minute fight of me giving up fighting a tank ele, and then a fear bomb necro beating me a glass thief. Congrats.

Outplayed. SON

DDLG will fight SIC, but only 50v50. We don’t do fights with less, that would be too easy.

kevinmrstowe.4098:

Tots.3056:

Kcrook.3945:

tM and SPCA, stop zerging me and my compadre plz. L2notlosewithevennumbers

I’m pretty sure they just can’t pass up the chance to chase me down with 3 times our numbers.

yah we’d rather just zerg u down, than beat u 10x in a row by the windmill

Everyone knows the real pros are in TPVP. L2TPVP scrub.

<3

Kcrook.3945:

tM and SPCA, stop zerging me and my compadre plz. L2notlosewithevennumbers

I’m pretty sure they just can’t pass up the chance to chase me down with 3 times our numbers.

Sororita.3465:

Tots.3056:

10v10 gladly, [Bags] doesnt run with 15 because we dont have enough guardians for a 15v15.

Fixed, amiright?

Another victim of our 5 man guardian troll group. QQ more please.

Too many necro, people QQ.
Too many thieves, people QQ.
Too many mesmers, people QQ.
Too many guardians, people QQ.
Too many warriors, people QQ.

I guess we should just all run spirit rangers.

We run a few guards to deal with the condi meta, condi are almost completely useless against us as a result. We found a way to adapt, now it’s your turn.

Oozo.7856:

It’s far easier for 15 people to trim down to 10 than for 10 people to go find 5 extra to join them. Besides, this game starts falling apart the more people you add to the fight. Individual skill matters much less when you are running over 10.

1v1s are too much about build wars. The sweet spot is 3v3 to 6v6 or so, IMO.

Is SIC another one of these blobbing hammer trains by chance?

They try to be but watching their video they have a hard time, as Sacrx would say, “holding their man blob.”

JetLu.1874:

You’re is correct, means you are.

Your (a form of the possessive case of you used as an attributive adjective): Your jacket is in that closet. I like your idea. Compare yours.

Okay, now read his sentence using your adjusted grammar. “You are pathetic attemps at chest thumping make my day.”

That makes no sense, but appreciate the try.

You offered to fight GvG. I said we don’t have 15 people but accepted your offer, then you backed out and said go to spvp. Too kitten to fight with less than 15, sounds like you backed out.

Clearly furious. You are bad, go back to zerging tier 1.

SON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Loken.9724:

when you can show up with 15 talk to me. Until than, as I said, go have fun in spvp.

You’re pathetic attempts at chest thumping make my day. Continue to shout from on high about how good you guys are. Just wait till gold league my friend. Enjoy what SOR/BG have to offer you

Then*
Your*

I’m not your friend, guy. I may have to borrow 5 from DDLG to fight, just to put you in your place, SON.

I’m actually excited to go to those tiers and fight them, guaranteed we won’t kitten out and drop to a lower tier server in search for easier fights.

Go ahead look for another reason to back out.

Nice try? Did you just back out of a fight because my guild doesn’t have 15 people? Well, good fight I guess. Your video was sub-par.

Classic IoJ, you fit right in.

Loken.9724:

Tots.3056:

IoJ is still bad.

Care to try us?

Numbers does not equal skill.

15v15 any time this week. I don’t care if you have 3 buffs or not.

10v10 gladly, [Bags] doesnt run with 15 because we aren’t bad.

IoJ is still bad.

Love the changes in the map, presents interesting tactical opportunities that will be a lot of fun.

Stat bonuses make it a BIG NO for me.

If anyone wants to do some organized GvG’s against an SBI guild let me know. Looking for anything from 2v2’s to 15v15’s.

JKFlipFlop.7123:

Tots.3056:

Main Hand Ballista Off Hand Arrow Cart [IoJ] Is hosting ballista speed building practice right now at SBI windmill. Stack of superior ballistas to the winning team. Be sure to put those WXP points in supply mastery!

Think you can speed build a ballista? Pfft, I’ll show you scrubs how to speed build, IoJ’s got nothing!

NUMBER ONE BEST BALLISTA SPEED BUILDER, NA.

But seriously, the fights have been fun this week, keep it up. See you next time IoJ.

I showed up at SBI windmill with the promise of learning to ballista better and no one is here. I have sad.

We speed built so fast it was over almost right when it started. People could learn a thing or two from our uber leet speed building tactics.

Main Hand Ballista Off Hand Arrow Cart [IoJ] Is hosting ballista speed building practice right now at SBI windmill. Stack of superior ballistas to the winning team. Be sure to put those WXP points in supply mastery!

Think you can speed build a ballista? Pfft, I’ll show you scrubs how to speed build, IoJ’s got nothing!

NUMBER ONE BEST BALLISTA SPEED BUILDER, NA.

But seriously, the fights have been fun this week, keep it up. See you next time IoJ.

moutzaheadin.4029:

Tots.3056:

dank.3680:

Tots.3056:

Any chance to forum warrior you jump in on, even though you know absolutely nothing about it. Golf Clap

Someones gotta stop you from being boring..

Well instead of polishing your forum warrior skills you could work on your group synergy so it’s more fun when we fight. It feels like you all play individually inside of group fights, when you would be so much better if you worked as a group like SPCA.

But that would require you to stop roaming with 1v1 spec’s in full parties, and trust your team mates to cover your weaknesses while you cover theirs.

I can pretty much 2v1 any two people in your guild. Why would I care about lolsynergy..

You’re proving my point. Sure you have a nice solo build, but make that a group fight like say a 5v5 and you lose every single time.

dank.3680:

Tots.3056:

Any chance to forum warrior you jump in on, even though you know absolutely nothing about it. Golf Clap

Someones gotta stop you from being boring..

Well instead of polishing your forum warrior skills you could work on your group synergy so it’s more fun when we fight. It feels like you all play individually inside of group fights, when you would be so much better if you worked as a group like SPCA.

But that would require you to stop roaming with 1v1 spec’s in full parties, and trust your team mates to cover your weaknesses while you cover theirs.

dank.3680:

Tots.3056:

dank.3680:

Tots.3056:

Natronix.9827:

Tots is just looking for attention. He doesnt represent ddlg as a whole.

This^

IoJ called DDLG and DR guilds bad when IoJ was winning purely on coverage. Now the roles are reversed and you are bringing up the same arguments we DDLG/DR were saying. I find it funny because that means you are either gigantic hypocrites, or just plain stupid, either way it’s one of the two.

Loving the QQ so far IoJ, keep it up.

If the roles are reversed, and it seem so. Doesn’t that also make you a giant, stupid hypocrite?

Also u mad cuz bad, was always bad, will always be bad.

So much logic fail in this post that I’m not even going to say anything other than…
/facepalm.

You obviously forgot the spanking my guild gave XOXO.

So you are making the argument they used to make, while they make the argument you used to make. But now they are hypocrite and you are not.. mkay

IoJ made the argument that they were winning because of superior skill and not coverage. I am making the argument that we are winning because of coverage, not superior skill. I am definitely not making their argument, therefore I am not the hypocrite.

Any chance to forum warrior you jump in on, even though you know absolutely nothing about it.

Golf Clap