Guild Wars 2

They go mad even they can’t kill you.

Why you have only 736 people do the survey
but there are 973 main class
one people can main 2 class?

Stealth give you 100 toughness!!!!!
Stealth give you 100 toughness!!!!!
Stealth give you 100 toughness!!!!!
Stealth give you 100 toughness!!!!!
Stealth give you 100 toughness!!!!!

Zoid.2568:

Gwalchgwn.1659:

It has a 20% chance to reset a certain set of skills (venoms, signets, blabla).

It should say so in the description then. It clearly says it resets all the skills of one type. Not mentioning 20% at all.

yes all skill of one types
there are 5 types
that’s why 20% for each type
but not only the types you equipped

you really understand English? need translate?

Your best choice
Roll a warrior

1. Where is our rapid powerful attack as your introduction of thief? We can’t even take down a berserker warrior/guardian

2. Where is our mobility as you remove break stun & add cast time to sword #2

That’s all I want to know
As we are the weakest on regen and reduce incoming damage, stealth & mobility is our only way to survive
And enemies may interrupt us when we going to stealth
So what’s the reason you make us unable to kill one before we die?
So what’s the reason you make us more harder to survive when harder to make damage?
I don’t really love perma-stealth, but I was forced to use it,or I will die before killing no one

You destroy perma-stealth, so how we have enough regen from stealth?
You destroy our burst, so how we make enough DPS?

It’s not a mistake to play thief as main & only
It’s unexplainable how we love thief

But I’m sure it’s our mistake to trust GW2 & Anet will make a balance

Kaizer.7135:

IS/SR needed a nerf, it acted as a stun break and a condition cleanse with no cooldown and 1200 range.

Warrior is my second main but he doesn’t even have a third of the play time I have on my Thief because they’re so easy to play. Which makes it really boring imo.

SR from sword is not a stun break
when you use it while down
you will be still down after SR

I don’t see any problem when thief have more breakstun than other class
as we should be the most mobility class

You have problem to kill a thief
He have problem to escape from you

Who need nerf?

Long long time ago, thief is the only class with +25% moving speed
and after nearly all other class have it now, no buff on us

and almost all those class have long leap!!!

Hype.8032:

Neoheart.2750:

Lol in all seriousness in its current state I will never use hard to catch which is wat seems to be getting forced on us. Should be called hard to justify.

Hahahaha, this is something I can get behind! I won’t be traiting hard to justify in my s/d build after this patch… I’ll just be shelving it completely.

And a few more nerf, you won’t shelving any weapon set again.
You will just shelving thief, or shelving GW2

Well done Anet, you win!!!

Bloodgruve.6038:

Every major update I am glad that I stopped investing in my thief. Still my favorite class but constant big nerfs are too much for me.

Hope it improves for the class but not holding my breath.

Blood~

Every time update is nerfing,
Every time update, I am disappointed.

In fact, 1200 range shadowstep is not really too far to catch
I think it’s fair that we should be able to shadowstep to everywhere within 1200 range
just like warrior can leap though a gap that no one can jump though

now the shadowstep normally just bring us 1200 range far from enemies, when we can make that range with 3~4 heartseeker, and just sometimes we can use it jump up a hill to escape

Thief
Experts at stealth and surprise, thieves can move through the shadows, vanish into thin air, or steal items from their opponents and use them as weapons. Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style, which can make them very hard to hit.

Experts as stealth? I think we are just able to stealth
move through the shadows? 1200 range? with cast time?
vanish into thin air? I think we are vanish and became ash under fire!
steal items from opponents? we get an item but my opponents lose nothing!
practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style? shadowstep with cast time mean I’m agile?

Initiative

To power their attacks, thieves rely on a resource called initiative, which regenerates over time. Weapon skills cost initiative points, but they have no recharge time, so thieves can use them back-to-back. This allows thieves to stay flexible and responsive in combat and unleash a rapid flurry of powerful attacks.

We may have a maximum 15 initiative, and a maximum 1.3/s regen with trait
we can use skill back-to-back,but not even one more,
flexible?We have 2 weapon set with only 15 initiative, but other class have 2 weapon with every skill separately CD. I don’t see we are more flexible
rapid flurry of powerful attack? I see rapid attack that burn up our initiavtive, but not powerful.

Steal
Thieves use the Steal skill to create useful weapons based on the opponents they’re fighting at the time. For instance, when thieves steal from moa birds, they might get feathers that they can throw to blind their enemies. Stealing does not break stealth, and cannot be used often.

we use steal skill to create weapons, not useful weapon

Dual Skills
When using a main-hand and off-hand weapon combination, thieves have access to a spectacular Dual Skill that is determined by their weapons. For example, thieves with two daggers will receive the Leaping Death Blossom skill, but thieves with a dagger/pistol combo will receive Shadow Shot, which allows them to teleport to their target.

just a special skill, and cost us another trait to make it more powerful, or it’s just a piece of sh!!!t

Special Skills

Thieves make use of a wide range of skills, including Stealth skills and Shadow Stepping.

Stealth Skills
Thieves have access to skills that allow them to enter stealth mode, which renders them invisible to enemies. When in stealth, their first weapon skill slot is replaced by a powerful stealth skill. For instance, when thieves equipped with daggers enter stealth, they receive a skill called Backstab, which does more damage when thieves strike from behind.

I don’t see Backstab is so powerful, with that f****ng range and low damage
If we can damage a full armor Guardian 50%HP, I’ll said it’s powerful.
Don’t forget, they can regen, much faster than we make damage.

Shadow Step
With Shadow Step, thieves can teleport into the battle or away from danger. Thieves may only teleport where normal movement is possible and may not use it to teleport through a gate or other blocking area.

Yes Yes, We can teleport in to the battle,,away from danger..I’m in danger and I still need 1.5s to shadowstep away!! What do you think it may happen in 1.5s

As a conclusion,
Are Thieves good in rapid flurry powerful attack? No!!!
Are Thieves Expert of stealth? We are able to stealth but not Expert!!
Are Thieves agile? No!! We need 1.5s cast time to get away from danger!!!

Are Thieves Expert of surprise?? I’m sure!!
everyone play thieves will be surprised it f****ng weaker than that f****ng introduction!!!!

Good Job Anet!!!!!!!

At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!
At least Thieves are expert of surprise!!!!!!!

FrownyClown.8402:

See that upper level off to the right of his zerg? Kill him

See the Arena mark on that f****ng char in the zerg??? Bite it!!

Sanduskel.1850:

Like these suggestions. Will transform the class into one that gets respect for skill vs an annoying gimmick.

I though we don’t get respect when we perma-stealth…..

Incurafy.6329:

I have a better suggestion: anyone who complains about stealth learns to play the game, and everyone else ignores them until they do.

We want that too, but the fact is
We keep playing
They keep complaining
Anet keep nerfing

My main and only is thief because I love stealth
I just want to try to stop more nerfing by a change

style.6173:

@OP

So you want to take the class that is probably second weakest right now in PvP and make it even weaker?

Did you think I want to make it even weaker while my main and only char is thief??
Please read and think

RedSpectrum.1975:

I like how it’s clear your main goal is to nerf stealth, common complaint. But you offer no stat changes to make up for it. If the thief stayed the same, 5 seconds of revealed would be disgustingly atrocious to their health. And revealed when stealth ends doesn’t make it any better. So now you want to punish those who need to heal right? God forbid last refuge procs…..

No, this is not nerfing stealth
just trying to rebuild a stealth system to force revealed (instead of perma-stealth)
As my opinion, stealth can offset revealed time, but stealth time cannot stack
it will make a thief must revealed everytime he use a stealth skill
he may use another skill trying to offset revealed time and stealth again
but it will be more easy to control his stealth time or cost to control it

In Major, I’m just trying to destroy perma-stealth and keep stealth a balance.
You should know it, I also suggest Meld should be +50% time.

Stooperdale.3560:

As usual, these suggestions seem to want to rewrite the entire thief class to prevent repeated finishers in a smoke field. Anet will eventually find a solution that is much more limited and they should have found one already.

“5. using a stealth skill will offset revealed time 1:1 e.g.(when you have 4 seconds revealed time, you use shadow refuge and gain 10 seconds stealth, 4 second offset revealed time,
and you get 6 seconds stealth)”

This would be abused using cloak and dagger with backstab.

Why you think this would be abused using cloak and dagger??
C&D has 3s stealth only, adding Meld, 4 & 1/2s
and you will have about 1s stealth or even not stealth if you use it after a BS
And you must be remind, it cost you 6
and if it is OP, it’s easy to change the cost or stealth time

Goal of changes:
1. Destroy perma-stealth
2. Balance weapon skill power with Reasonable initiative usage

Changes:
A) Stealth system

1. Stealth time cannot be stack anymore
2. Shadow refuge now have 4s duration that give anyone step into it 10s stealth
3. Every time a stealth end will give revealed 3 seconds(4 in pvp)
4. Attacking to end stealth give 2 seconds extra revealed time
5. using a stealth skill will offset revealed time 1:1
e.g.(when you have 4 seconds revealed time,
you use shadow refuge and gain 10 seconds stealth,
4 second offset revealed time,
and you get 6 seconds stealth)
6. Combo (Smoke + Leap/Blast) now function with the Meld with Shadows trait

B) Weapon skills

1. Death Blossom :
-Change it to a single target skill
-increase base damage and remove bleeding
2. Body shot :
-Vulnerable change to 4 stacks for 10 seconds
-remove immobilize
3. Larcenous Strike:
-reduce initiative cost to 1
4. Unload
-decrease the base damage
-give 8 stack of Bleeding(2s) to 1 target
-increase initiative cost to 6

C) Traits

1. Meld with Shadows:
Change the stealth time increase from 1 second to 50%

When to fix this??

When is this ********** bug going to be fixed?
All other class can buy full assassin gear from TP and midium class need to make it themselves??
This bug take too long to fix

All above
Do you really tested before you leave the comment?

You can get +50% movement speed in&out of combat
just move together with someone in swiftness and you will see

Don’t give wrong informations again please

What I can see is a rubbish want to win in every fight but don’t want to use an anti-stealth trap even he is facing 3 thieves…go and play solo game and you will be king.

I like playing Assassin or Thief in every game since RO.
I love high crit chance, high Flee(dodge in GW2), Stealth since I played RO.
And before I buy GW2, I read many information about Thief, video & skill details.
I love GW2 thief because they have highest burst , stealth & mobility.

However, everything turns into Nightmare since I really play in WVW
1) Highest single target burst? Warrior can do much better
2) Highest mobility? Why can’t I catch a running Ele?
3) Stealth? What can I do in stealth? attack and show myself? wait for HP regen while Enemies skill CD too? Run like a rat? Look for a chance to BS that can’t kill anyone not GC?

Maybe Run like a rat is the best choice to stay alive, but still, they will said: Thief is OP, they can run away in stealth!!!

sorrow.2364:

evilapprentice.6379:

Real quick!
Since you’re obviously intimately experienced with thief mechanics!
- Name every single thief weapon skill that provides KB/KD/Blowout
- Name every single thief weapon skill that provides daze over .5s
- Name every single thief weapon skill that provides fear
- Name every single thief weapon skill that provides Daze over .5
- Name every single thief weapon skill that provides immobilize over 1s.

That list looking a little light? I wonder why?.

Thief is the profession which suffer from stuns the least.

Thief cannot take much damage, it’s fair

did you ever seen a thief have 25k HP?

Tested with PVP Golem

Warrior Highest dmg

Thief Highest dmg

Zacchary.6183:

There is a difference between damage and damage per second. Yes thief can hit 10k with one strike, but a warrior can out dps a thief over time.

If you compare DPS, Warrior is far away from thief
If you compare single hit damage, don’t forget Warrior’s Rife F1

What we have is nerfed stealth and nerfed Shadow Step/Return

No Thief is balanced

What?! Thief can do more damage than Warrior?!!
you make me laugh

What’s the point of the most powerful BS…?
even you can to 20k BS, you won’t be able to take down a Guardian…

I give up trying to be an BS Assassin.
It’s much better to use S/D to stay in a longer battle

Zikory.6871:

Zamiel.2130:

You know you’re not the only class that uses stealth right? It can’t be anti-thief if Mesmer’s are equally as hard hit.

I would agree with you if there were any threads even discussing traps in the Mesmer forum…It seems that the only Mesmers that really see it as a issue are here in the Thief forums…

Well, I’m just saying that this trap is very unfair to all thief.
We can have a lot of stealth skill but all waste when we tigger the trap.
And it’s 30sec, not 10sec.
I suggest 2 ways to make it more fair to us:
1) make the revealed time 10sec.
2) make revealed status can be discharge by a stealth skill, so that we may use all of our stealth skill to make us stealth again

Or make all trap for all classes!!!!

Zamiel.2130:

You know you’re not the only class that uses stealth right? It can’t be anti-thief if Mesmer’s are equally as hard hit.

Mesmer isn’t a class need stealth to survive or doing damage.
There isn’t a anti-clone trap in WVW to stop a mesmer from making clones.

But major damage from a thief is hidden attack, from stealth of course, major survival skill for a thief is also stealth.

Or are you meaning that anti-stealth can make Thief useful in zerg fight??
To destroy all anti-steal trap using our body and life??

Caine.8204:

I don’t think that it’s as important as everybody seems to rage about. It doesn’t make you “useless” to take away your stealth for 30s, just pull out a short bow and attack from a range – this is more effective in a large-scale WvW fight, anyway, especially playing as a squishy thief. As a roamer, it isn’t going to be a problem, as you will rarely encounter a trap if you stay off the roads.

As zerg, we are forced to use range weapon, it is a problem.
Why other class can use melee??
Is this not a problem?!!!

As roamer, we have a chance to waste our stealth skills & traits.
Why other class doesn’t have a chance to waste their skills & traits??
Is this not a problem?!!!

If you say that: I can still do some damage in zerg, that’s enough for me.
You accept to be a weaker, that’s you, not me. I’m not asking for make thief stronger, but only need to be fair.
It will be more fair if the trap isn’t making us reveal but make all skill unable to use for 30s. At least I won’t feel the nerf target is me.
But that can still make me unable to stealth

Zacchary.6183:

It would be better if everyone (all classes) excepted the fact that they are not as good as they think they are and take their own death as a lesson for being unprepared.

These are facerolling kids we are talking about. They want their easy mode and they want it yesterday.

I don’t see what I can prepare before I get 30sec revealed……

If revealed make us unable to stealth
stealth skill should be able to decrease the time of revealed
as we may have a 30s of reveal now
this will make all stealth skill ( & trait under stealth) wasted!!
I never see anyway to make other profession skills wasted

In my opinion reveal time should decrease as the time of the stealth skill we use

Thief is totally going into a wrong way now
so many thief with high EHP, unkillable.
But this in not a thief should be.

I have been mainly playing Thief, Assassin or similar classes in other games for many years.
Before I purchase GW2, I read many information about thief,
and I learn that thief should be the best profession to burst a single target.
And they have Stealth & Shadowstep, traded by low defensive abbility.
This is the reason I purchase GW2.

Howevery, when I’m still playing thief today, I do feel I have hightest single burst damage. Look at those Warriors, much more higher Burst & DPS.
Oh, maybe it’s right, their burst is AOE, not single, so we are still highest in single, is that right? kitten!!!

I can see a thief burst for about 25k damage in about 5 second, but in the same time Warrior can do 30-40k….and they have more HP.
What we have is only Stealth, which doesn’t add armor but still can be hit, and end when we attack. Oh, Shadowstep…with a short range only about 1000. many movement can go that far, it’s not so useful unless we stealth for 1-2 sec for each shadowstep(main purpose is to make enemies lost target, just like Mesmers’)

I don’t see any problem using burst to kill only 1 people with a long CD.
it’s 45s CD to do our next attack.
And mostly, we are just going to die just after killing that 1 people only in a group fight.

What’s the problem then?
Can Anet explain why nerf thief burst a lot?
I never see a good reason from Anet

I don’t mind to reveal when I miss my BS,
but only under 1 of these conditions
1) BS do 30k damage to everything
2) no damage on us under stealth
3) BS damage is 2x buffed
4) reveal time shorten to 1sec
5) we can auto-stealth when we are are not in combat

I suggest adding an F2 skill, share the same CD with F1
and the effect is something defensive, such as stealth for 1-2s, a backward shadowstep or something that can help us survive

I always think venom is not good skill
because no matter how many stacks you give
they can clear all stacks in one time

What about make it charging and consume 1 charge when use?
and we need to press it once for each time we want to use, and consume 1 charge

oa maybe can also change the cooldown using charging
when you equip the skill there is 0 charge, and got 1 charge after a few seconds
(e.g. equip basilisk venom and after 45s you will have 1 charge to stun,9s for each charge for spider)

and this can make the poison can really help to slow regen
or the Devourer can make immobilize whenever we want to

and for now, I just think all venom look like just have 1 tigger when we use…

We give up our defence just for burst

and now you nerf our burst?

Isn’t that thief is the best profession to burst?

I never complain that burst thief cannot kill a guardian

and still we need to be nerfed??

Please tell me what a burst thief can kill now? rabbit?

randomfightfan.4091:

They felt it needed to be nerfed so they nerfed it. I don’t see the problem. They could have just shaved off the 2k damage it deals but instead they added 2k healing to ease the burn. Sure the healing won’t do much and the damage nerf sucks but the nerf could have been a lot worse.

oh the nerf could have been a lot worse??

and is that Anet is going to say “Aren’t you thankful?”

Ravenmoon.5318:

TsukiNoEi.4570:

Blix.8021:

Warriors can’t stealth.

what we got after stealth??higher damage? no! higher armor? no!

Actually, you get higher DPS on initial attack within cloaked state. Which is pretty kitten! And of course the thief will have a lower defense, it wears medium armor kitten … it would be hilarious if it had more defense. Or imagine a thief with heavy armor, like … seriously?

I for one love to have thieves around in my groups, I don’t like berserker thieves.
Dude you went full glass cannon and complain about survivability.

Moderators please close this topic, it’s pointless

In fact it’s not really high DPS for a stealth attack,
but it’s really low armor…..
and I’m a berserker thief, I don’t see any problem to dodge every attack from COF P1 boss….it’s so easy to dodge…

Psybunny.8906:

TsukiNoEi.4570:

Blix.8021:

Warriors can’t stealth.

what we got after stealth??higher damage? no! higher armor? no!

So you want to be a warrior, but not have any of our downsides and still keep your thief abilities? Sounds reasonable.

I think a thief should have higher DPS to a single target.
the problem is, now a thief has lower armor than a warrior
but not return in higher DPS
yes we have stealth, but stealth is only taking a break in a combat
and we can’t attack, but can be attacked

if you say we lost DPS and armor in return of gain stealth
what warrior lost?
what other profession gain??

Blix.8021:

Warriors can’t stealth.

what we got after stealth??higher damage? no! higher armor? no!

Blix.8021:

You’re “complaining Anet” about what players do? Why, exactly, do you think this makes sense to do?

The reason they are only welcoming Warrior is because Warrior is easiler to make more DPS and keep alive.
Why? Why Warrior is better?
Why a thief has lower armor, but not return in higher DPS?
Is this the player’s fault?
So I should complaining player make these settings…..??

Jzl.8715:

Why do you try to join them?
Why don’t you check the lfg message and join the ones saying all classes welcome?
Why don’t you take some initiative? (:D)
Why don’t you form your own group?
Why don’t you go ahead and find like minded people?
Why don’t you give it a try and see how easy to form a CoF farming group not asking for just mesmers and warriors?
Why don’t you prove with your own group that it can be just as efficient?
Why don you come here to complain about this century old topic here instead?

I joined a group didn’t say thief is forbidden
I’ve try forming group but sometimes joining is faster
And every group that has played with me know a good thief can be better than a warrior, but how can someone who kick me because I’m a thief see that?
Finally, I’m not complaining players who kick a thief, but complaining Anet why setting Warrior to be better