Guild Wars 2

Here is the altered build:

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mcccMM9cmvNGmmvNGm9MaxxVMsVMas8khV7khf7khV7070M7kNf70M7kNh70M7ofF8ofy

I also changed out the Jewel to Clerics for just a little additional healing.

I appreciate it, I am fooling around with it now. I like the idea of the shield / push when reviving allies, so I am not sure if I am going to sacrifice it. However I will sacrifice Pure of Voice to get the Two Handed Mastery.

Staff will come later as we perfect our ideas and learn how to work with one other using combos a bit more.

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mcccMM9cmvNGmmvNGm9MaxxVMVqMms8khV7khf7khV7070M7kNc70V7owY8ofy

Tell me what you think My role in this pre constructed TPvP group is to act as a pest, defend points, while providing support to my allies. Will this work in theory ?

swinsk.6410:

awgardner.9634:

If you want to follow in the footsteps of one of the greatest Thieves to play the game, you should check out the Wild Bill videos on youtube demonstrating how when played right, his P/D build its a force to be feared. Not one of his videos is 1v1s, 1v2’s and UP only. He has truly perfected his profession and spec. I followed him and built a toon to be just like him, though my skills are a little off from what he is capable of, I can verify that what he does is absolutely possible when perfected, but I guess same goes for any spec.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that his videos are sequels. He has posted them since the early days and you watch a master piece unfold over hours upon hours of footage. Detailed and very informative.

Any thief with shadows embrace will destroy P/D thief with ease…

I strongly beg to differ. I love how people get on the forums and smash one build over another, spraying that one particular build will prevail above all else. If this were the case, everyone would roll that particular build… HOWEVER

Shadows Embrace removes a condition upon entering stealth, and every 3 seconds while in stealth, I am willing to bet that I can stealth, unload, and beat that condition removal with bleeds, and poisons… while putting your SE to shame

EDIT: Already have while I typed this reply

EDIT: While your proclamation is informative and educational, as well as to an extent, true… you are not accounting for spam unloads, and CnD’s. PLUS any well played class knows how to adapt to any situation

If you want to follow in the footsteps of one of the greatest Thieves to play the game, you should check out the Wild Bill videos on youtube demonstrating how when played right, his P/D build its a force to be feared. Not one of his videos is 1v1s, 1v2’s and UP only. He has truly perfected his profession and spec. I followed him and built a toon to be just like him, though my skills are a little off from what he is capable of, I can verify that what he does is absolutely possible when perfected, but I guess same goes for any spec.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that his videos are sequels. He has posted them since the early days and you watch a master piece unfold over hours upon hours of footage. Detailed and very informative.

Im liking the first set you displayed. If I combine that with Superior Sharpening Stones and a Plate of Fire Flank Steak, I should gain back what I lost in power in the benefits the food buffs and utilities give me through toughness and vitality with added survivability no?

I appreciate the response. I am a bit nervous at the concept of loosing some base power, but I am beginning to look into different food buffs and utility buffs to gain that power back from the vitality – toughness multipliers.

I am a P/D Thief running a 20/0/30/20/0 build. I currently am stacking Carrion Gear and am getting ready to make my first Ascended purchase and can not find anything resembling a piece of Carrion.

Can anyone suggest to me what I should be using for my Ascended slots ? I really dont want to give up my Carrion stats is the problem, but I am open for suggestions. My build is based on bleed, duration, and condition damage utilizing my power as a filler.

I see information that is claimed to be “Factual” on the forums in regards to how the Ranking System actually works, but no supporting links… any ideas ?

Ensign.2189:

That single skill is excessive and overpowered when used in that way.

I dont know if I mentioned it in the previous thread but… That ability is also useless to a Thief when used in that manner !

Ensign.2189:

That single skill is excessive and overpowered when used in that way.

Really?

So lets see, with what you are stating, it pretty much comes across as “Thieves being able to stay permastealthed and do a minimal amount of damage that can be easily countered with heals when they are off cooldown is OP!”.

This translates to “That Thief just toys with me and CnD’s me then runs away and waves and then comes back to do it again. Toying with me is OP!”.

Your statement in this manner constitues an absolute 0 amount of relativity and will surely end in yet another forum that goes absolutely nowhere!

Hurrah to OP CnD natural drops that allow Thievs to chuckle at me while I wait to see if they are really going to do anything….

@OP

Build Name : P/D + SB
Purpose : PvP (WvW)
Changes : None

Here is what it boiled down to for me. As a condition specced P/D Thief, I have gone from being able to stack damage when coming out of Stealth with guns blazin… to hanging around in Stealth a bit more and letting my Conditions do more of the work for me. The only real change to my playstyle is that I don’t run and gun anymore CnDing to get my burst damage off like I use to.

PROBLEMS:
The only real problem I have encountered is now that the revealed buff has been pushed back an extra second, GUARDIANS with outrageous Condition Removal pose more of a threat in numbers to me because I am stacking Conditions and having them removed more times over the duration of a fight.

SOLUTION
Time your attacks and use Stealthing abilities as a utility rather than an annoyance!

I’m P/D specced. I know my play style and I really don’t see it being as big of an adjustment as others made it out to be.

There ya go. Your on the right track now !

Its cool, It doesn’t matter to me, I just would like to see your issues get addressed.

You should post this in the bugs section of the forums.

You should move this to the bugs section of the forums for quicker attention.

Laika.8795:

awgardner.9634:

Sounds to me like someone has been worked over by a P/D Thief a time or two I feel your pain, I really do… That’s why I rolled one !

Na, I have absolutely no problem with them, they are kitten poor against S/D. But they are generally for people who don’t like to get their hands dirty, and that is what a lot of the outcry is about in the forums. Also Mug>C&D>BS, which was supposed to be addressed, was not. Nothing that is ACTUALLY a problem with the class, as per the SotG, was actually touched, which is a massive disappointment to anyone that plays the game with tact.

I am sorry, but I strongly beg to differ. As a patch, the intention is always to better the experience for the players. Changes require adjustments, and we understood that when we signed up to play.

Be it that it may, people are always going to gripe. After every “Nerf”, their will always be that dedicated player that will learn to utilize the tools he is given to work with, while others will QQ about how they got “Nerfed” or “Balanced”, or their was not enough “Nerfing” or “Balancing” done to suit the ideas of others.. as countless as they may be.

There will always be QQ, there will always be OP, because they are always practiced through the opinions and values of the person practicing such natures. Hence there will always be somebody left unhappy.

HOWEVER – with the respected changes to the game, I will go ahead and get peoples panties in a twist when I say “I will learn to work my way in and out of the new updates, and this time, I am going to get credit for it and it will be seen by others across the Leader Board! So let the flaming prematurely begin !”.

Laika.8795:

awgardner.9634:

Define badly please ?

Is it a Thief that hits the easy button ?
Is it a Thief that utilizes his tools and functions to facilitate victory ?

Badly is someone who relies on stealth as a crutch, rather than a tool. Obviously you play P/D, so I guess someone a lot like you.

lol.

Sounds to me like someone has been worked over by a P/D Thief a time or two I feel your pain, I really do… That’s why I rolled one !

Laika.8795:

awgardner.9634:

Are you a thief hater…

Yep. I absolutely hate badly played thieves, which the prior change would have greatly reduced.

Define badly please ?

Is it a Thief that hits the easy button ?
Is it a Thief that utilizes his tools and functions to facilitate victory ?

Laika.8795:

Pretty much everyone seemed content with the original “revealed on destealth” proposal, I just cannot wrap my mind around this. It gave a sense of “counterplay” in that if you could hold off the thief via CC or your own mobility, you would have 3 seconds of burst-free, full visibility combat.

Instead, it’s business as usual, with a pathetic one second debuff addition. I am extremely displeased with the changes, not because I feel it is game breaking (it’s not, and it won’t affect me much at all) but because we were clued into something that was almost a universal plus, and just got a bunch of random bogus changes…

Can we get any Dev feedback as to what happened here? Are these changes still in the works, or were they scrapped, or…W T F??

Are you a thief hater…

They added a whopping 1 second to reveal when dropping stealth while engaging… what does this mean ? It means that CnD will be used as a scapegoat to get to safety far more often then a means to stack damage…

HENCE – For the P/D Thieves, FRET NOT! Those stacking condition damage have to wait an extra second every 3 seconds to drop there opponents… Not a big learning curve!

Oh yea, its true… !

Suralin.3947:

awgardner.9634:

So…

I spent some time in WvW yesterday, roughly about 5 hours consecutively and I must say. With a better understanding of the class mechanics, 1v2+ has become ungodly more controlled. I may not have one all of them, but I can assure you that I stood my ground, and presented much more of a challenge then I did before. I appreciate all who have contributed to this forum, helping to open my eyes!

Glad to see you improving. The next trick is to not spam CnD as often anymore and timing your dodges while you’re visible. What I enjoy doing is running into a relatively large group and seeing how long I can survive. Trait correctly and it can be a very, very long time.

Understood. This was the concept I had to pretty much force myself to learn to even get to this point. As I stated in previous posts, I was not even paying attention when I was doing it, more rambunctiously spamming abilities, but I would not wait to receive full regen and condition removal when I was in stealth, I always would spam it as a scapegoat and reopen fire without reaping its benefits.

However, I feel that my build relies heavily on stealth, I will consider trying to trait it differently as I become more fluent with my skills in order to obtain a little bit more survivability.

As a matter of fact, I will put my build together here later on and post it since this thread has been so helpful and see if anyone could shed some light on it, or offer a unique twist. I am always up for suggestions!

Let it be known that as a Thief, I roll around with a good friend of mine “Trap” (whom is also a Thief) in WvW…

We found ourselves in Faith Leap yesterday as we had finished letting the point turn over and on our way out, managed to be unexpectedly intercepted by a 7 man (6 Guardians, 1 Thief) roam squad.

Please understand that mistakes happen, and I can assure you that our victory in a truly epic battle was nothing but luck… HOWEVER – we hope to meet you again…

I have been reading and watching the videos. Based on the here-say on the forums, and the vague responses in interviews….

If everyone’s idea of “Nerfing” is posting a revealed buff after coming out of stealth, who will the truly effect. With my P/D build, I am already getting the revealed buff when coming out of stealth opening fire, I almost never waist it… so does that mean that the 1% percent of the time that I happen to fail on engaging when coming out of stealth will now make my play style 1% more difficult ?

I am intrigued.

So…

I spent some time in WvW yesterday, roughly about 5 hours consecutively and I must say. With a better understanding of the class mechanics, 1v2+ has become ungodly more controlled. I may not have one all of them, but I can assure you that I stood my ground, and presented much more of a challenge then I did before. I appreciate all who have contributed to this forum, helping to open my eyes!

Exactly.

As stated, I am learning more as I read. With a few implementations of stupid factors I should have been aware of, I know already that my survivability will be noticeably higher. I came from a Mained Guardian, and rolled this thief for purposes of PvP only and I am in love with it. Now its just to master it. I appreciate all the great input and I am watching this thread very closely.

@Haters

I know that its open forum, and you can rightfully post anything you want… however I am only paying attention to those that are contributing to the OP.

Rookie mistake I know that I am making because of my gung-ho play style… I never wait on Tick damage when I blow my Stealth CDs, major problem… I appreciate you opening my eyes. I will learn more as this forum develops.

My inspiration to roll the profession was actually derived from the Wild Bill videos. I am currently running the same setup. I realize that you can not just hop into WvW and instantly be awesome and with time comes skill. Every day that goes by, I am slowly getting better and better, though I am still off a long way from being anything worthy of talking about!

See, DPS is not an issue really. I think my problem is coming from timing. I don’t use my stealth abilitities at the right times therefore I am extremely vulnerable. For some reason shadow step makes me feel stupid as well lol. I think as I learn how to time my abilities and initiative, I will stay alive far longer then I do now.

Am I the only one that had this problem in the beginning lol.

So, I am very attracted to this build and I see its potential exemplified in many videos. With that being said….

How many times did everyone else fail at it before they were capable of standing there ground? I am ok at 1v1 but anything beyond, I am having serious survivability issues with a survival friendly spec. This is one of the biggest learning curves for me out of any class of any game!

I am going to give it a shot. I don’t have any ascended gear or what not, but I will replace with the best I can get my hands on with money not being a problem. I appreciate the new concept Red

Go to the preview pane and preview the following items:

Armor:
Heavy Armageddon Helm
Pit Fighter Shoulders
Flame Legion Breastplate
Draconic Leggings
Flame Legion Boots

This is the set I built. It is very appealing and works with many variants of colors. I will post images when I get home.

How can you gain some additional condition removal to this build without damaging its integrity, making it a viable option for WvW ?

Check out Acolytes – World First for GM’s. I am sure you will find an overwhelming sense of enjoyment there! Whisper ChaCha or Gladiolus.

http://forums.acolytesgaming.com

Look into the Acolytes guild! I am sure you will find an overwhelming since of enjoyment. Whisper ChaCha or Gladiolus.

http://forums.acolytesgaming.com

You should consider reading through the entire forum about the Healway Guardian located here :

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/WvW-PvE-The-Healway-Guardian

300+ Replies, 34k+ views with very little negativity, updated recently and constantly. Totally fun build, and capable of being self sufficient and an asset to groups, especially in Close Quarts Combat. Learn to dodge roll, use your healing abilities to get you started… Then master the build and sit back and enjoy!

@ Christos de Soufre

I just wanted to add… I have been running this build since I took the time to read your first post when the thread originally opened, and I have to say. I have never had as much fun playing any Toon from any Title like I have now. Well balanced and very well thought out, and the time, and effort is greatly appreciated.

I will say I changed one thing about this and that is I am using 6 Water Runes instead of 3 and 3 because I have not had a chance to hop in to the dungeon like I have wanted, and it is working pretty well for me. I use this build, and in all honesty often find myself playing somewhat of a tanking roll (because my itchy trigger finger likes to run me into combat without asking :P) and in regards to all the posts questioning the details of such nature in dungeons, it pulls through and shines very well. You are self sufficient and a contribution to the cause no matter what way you choose to play if you are running this build.

Heads up fellow Guardians, we have a winner here !

Thanks for the great job Chris, and I consider you to be a Pioneering Icon among the Guardian Community, and I look forward to all the videos and updates to come. STOP DRINKING SODA BTW, IM WATCHING YOU !

PS – I may look like you, but I have a lot to learn to play as well as you !

Are there any in this game, and if so, how do you acquire them ?

I am new to this whole concept. I am trying to be good st my class which relies heavily on Condition Damage. I have seen posts where it talks about " Damage per tick, or you dont do damage on the last tick" . How do you figure this out. Where does this info come from so I can evaluate my abilities. What is the math behind it ?

I wish I could understand where all the information comes from regarding caps on various aspects. Is that information readily available somewhere of is it found through just massive trial and error ? I am really try to learn as much about the class as I can so that I can become better at it. I appreciate the time put in on the replies btw!

I revised this a little bit. I realized speccing so heavy into BM to get the F2 snare was pointless when using a my pets because one gives a Paralyze, and one gives a Fear. So I went back into WS to gain the extra condition damage.

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mmom0Vm9MoMmwmoMmwm0xx0aoRqcVqV8khG707khV7khf7070z7kNL70c7kG270z8ofZ

I am working on a new Ranger Build here, and my goal is to reserve a fair amount of control while still cranking out Condition/Bleed damage. My control in my own head is to come from the snares, roots, etc that are tied into my abilities in this build, and here it is in detail. I AM LOOKING FOR CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM

Role – Roamer
Weapons – SB – S/WH or SB – LB (Situation Dependent)
Pets – Canine, Spider
Optionals – Swapping Out Snake Trap for Frost Trap / Lightening Reflexes

0/30/20/0/20 Breakdown:

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mmom0Vm9MoMmwmoMmwm0xG0GoRqcVVs8khG707khV7khf7070z7kNL70c7kG270z8ofZ

By running this route, if you pay attention you will see that I am gaining on single targets consistent Bleed Damage, Condition Damage, and Snare effects, as well as one Immobilizing Effect. I am working my combat strategy, but I am seeing that I am capable of keeping situational control in single target combat for almost the complete duration of the fight.

I am aware that I am loosing a lot by not speccing to get Piercing Arrows, but again, this is for Roaming, and Single Target Dominated Combat.

As it all becomes clear, the thought of some relief has been shadowed in a shroud of…

As in other forums, I will not point a finger or place a link, but… Anet did not want to leak any of the information prior to patch about the upcoming patch and what it would do for the Ranger, and now I understand why.

I feel sure that this post will be removed or relocated, but the previous threads about Rangers needing an Update have been overloaded with hopes and dreams of everyone in the community because of a single post made by Anet, and I feel that this let down is worthy of its own thread.

Creative story btw too !

@angan

You do realize that you quoted a point well made, and then backed it up with information that I just didnt type. I believe that is misinterpretation on your part, or as you called it " Idiotic "

Its too funny. Everyone complains that everything is off balance, your playing the game, if it was blasted all to kitten, it would have fallen flat on its face like AoC did 1 month after release. Try paying 60 bucks for a game that you literally " Could Not Play ".

See, and I understand that. Rangers are versatile, with that being said, utilize the versatility and master your skill set. I just dont understand, yes we have bugs that are getting addressed in the upcoming patch, but what is with the mentality of " I should be able to eat everything ! ". Where would a competitive edge come from if a game was created with one class that could wipe the floor with any other… Where would the variety be, better yet, where would the game be ?

Problem is that most people dont understand the effort that is put into creations like this to make a title that is balanced throughout, showing only the truly skilled will survive.

I don’t understand what the deal is here. Ok, 4 out of every 5 forums is a flame about Rangers and why we shouldn’t play them and how we are gimp blah blah blahze…

I guess nobody plays classes that they just enjoy eh ?

Let me have a rebuttle in regards to a top that is going to come up… Here is my response ! I love to play golf, but that doesn’t mean I am any good at it…