Guild Wars 2

Could you please get rid of it or make it possible to deactivate it in the options?
It’s superannoying.
Thanks for the try though… (copy’n’pasting some pve stuff must be really hard work).

Ralathar.7236:

lunyboy.8672:

Ralathar.7236:

People that think that they need damage mitigation to have good defense do not understand how to actively avoid damage properly. If you are good and have a build that isn’t 100% offense you should be able to avoid 80%-90% of damage in the game. Even if you are glass cannon you can still avoid the lion’s share of it.

snip

…my Engineer with 2,500+ armor and 20k+ health has been downed in under 3 seconds by a single thief multiple times before…

If only there was some form of damage mitigation that would have triggered when you were critically hit the first time by that thief…. hmmmmm.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Protective_Shield

lol.

Great, so i’d live for under 4 seconds instead of under 3. 33% reduced damage right?

Except that 1/3 of the damage that thief was gonna do would have already been dealt before the protection activates. So I’d live for under 3 1/2 seconds instead.

I don’t think you understand your math very well if you think 33% damage reduction is going to do much to save someone vs the magnitude of damage being faced. Though I supposed it might buy me the time to heal and then die 1 heartseeker later than I would have before.

It’s not like I can even use that time to apply weakness to try and survive since weakness does not effect crits. Retaliation is right out too since it’s only gonna take this thief a half dozen attacks or so.

There comes a point where there is too much damage to really do anything about it.

if you srsly fail with an engi to beat a thief… than you can’t be helped… you’re just terrible at pvp’ing and need to l2p. period.

the sfr mindset is so hilarious.

deso comes with 15: OMG BLOBBERS!!!
sfr comes with 70: dat’s de decent high quality smallscale pvp yo!

sfr is far from being outmanned rofl!
seafarer’s square… hilarious players.

best things are those double team actions with kodash.
2 super blobs on the run for deso stuff. lol.

nice double teaming by the blobs from kodashian’s rest square. well played. sad that you still failed

Deniara Devious.3948:

Xirin.8593:

Warrior: Enure Pain, Defy Pain and Shield Stance, only class in Heavy Armor+High HP categories
Guardian: Renewed Focus, multiple sources of Protection
Ranger: Protect Me, multiple sources of Protection
Engineer: Gear Shield, multiple sources of Protection
Ele: Mist Form, multiple sources of Protection
Necro: don’t even have to specify durability here
Mesmer: distortion, clone spawning, multiple sources of Protection

Feel free to verify that Thief has essentially zero access to either of these categories:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Invulnerability
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Protection

Out of all the 8 professions I have played thief probably has the best survivability (together with mesmer). And let me explain why:

Thieves have superb access to stealth, evade and dodge. In many cases they are 100% damage mitigation. Protection is 1/3 damage reduction of direct damage, but condition damage is still in full effect thus condition pressure wins over most bunkers.
But if you dodge or evade an attack you get 0 damage. Evade is built into many thief weapon skills e.g. flanking strike, disabling shot and death blossom.

E.g. take the following acrobatics traits: vigorous recovery (III), quick recovery (IX) and quick pockets (XII). And use two sets of weapons with sup. sigil of energy and use Withdraw as your healing skill. You will get very good heal every 15 s, evade, almost permanent vigor and all movement related conditions get cleansed as well. Feline grace recovers you 15% endurance and each weapon swap gives you 50% endurance back + 3 initiative. That build gives you so much initiative that you can spam your weapon skills non-stop and dodge like no tomorrow. Even better you can take uncatchable trait from the trickery line, to leave caltrops every time you dodge, for very good non-stop bleed+cripple spam. There are also some very easy to play thief builds to give you good healing, condition removal and constant spammable stealth.

One final note. Every single profession has access to protection, e.g. taking
4x runes of Lyssa (random chance, but seems to happen quite often, I have played many hundreds ours using Lyssa build!)
4x runes of the grove
4x runes of the Earth
or 6x runes of the Forge.

Thief can also steal boons using larcenous strike.

But like I wrote:
stealth/dodge/evade > protection > armor+toughness

So basically guardian is in general more durable than warrior. They have same base armor. Guardian has as low base health as thief, but protection + aegis wins over warrior’s higher health pool. But non-stop dodging + evade can win over what guardians have. Just looks at this video thieves vs guardians:
http://www.twitch.tv/soacgaming/c/2281957

all i can say is:

you don’t know much about pvp and your constant whining is starting to get embarrassing.

play smart.
time your skills.
use your brain.

that’s how you counter stealth.
i know i know, the regular forumwhiner is very unfamiliar with those 3 things.

Junkpile.7439:

How can that deso blob have good fights in EB?

why should we blob if you guys drop like flies? oO
killed so many of you at your garrison. hilarious how you can’t beat a single player even with a whole group.

a wild random scrub appears!
wild random scrub uses arranged screenshot!
it’s not very effective.

solo queue.

duels.

fix for that terrible camera.

mesmer. best roaming class by far.

Deniara Devious.3948:

There is a very simple solution to this. Change stealth so that stealthed players appear semi-transparent to their enemies, just like they are currently rendered to their allies

This would remove the guess work, but still stealth would have all its benefits (e.g. you cannot be targeted while in stealth).

rofl!

nice battle at the end of the week versus elona.

they attacked ogrewatch and we bashed ’em till bravost

deso versus elona:
deso goes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q5_Bzc_Ymw

poor elona, now they are trapped with 2 runaway-servers

when will you sh**n**bs finally stop whining…

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Sifu.6527:

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Rezzet.3614:

buttski.6135:

Rezzet.3614:

look at pvp all you see is heartseek spamming noobs .

why are you whining then? who’s the worse noob? the guy spamming hss or the one getting killed by it?

Rezzet.3614:

yeah i forgot we have infinite dodge rolls

/sarcasm

learn to time dodges then. i know, running to the forums crying ‘op’ is easier.

my point is a traited thief wont lose all their initiative by spamming heartseeker

also it is just as ignorant to defend an op clas telling everyone else its their fault and to l2p

OP class

OP=underpowered or what ?

Thief:

Weakest healing in the game
Least health pool
Medium armor
Zero boons abilities
Zero invulnerable abilities
Middle mobility
Middle DPS
1-3 support abilities (two make only stealth,one block projectile)
OP F1 abilities /sarcasm
OP Utility slot skills /sarcasm

3x stealth abilities-1x weapon slot skill 2x utilities slot.

Yeah Thiefs Are OP !!!!

you must be playing a handicapped thief

thiefs have the highest mobility ingame
as well as the Highest dps
they arent the only medium armor users
can use combo fields to stealth indefinetly as long they do not hit an opponent
no cooldown stun breaker/teleport/shadowstep
steal boons
gain boons by stealing wich is also a shadowstep
Heal skills- i dont know what you’re talking about each heals for about 5k hp without traits nor gear buff not only that one of the heal evades cures cripple,chilled and immobilize another cures burn bleed and poison and stealths and the other heals per attack passively.

they dont have Direct boons because they have signets (signets got buffed up to 100% so they give 180 points instead of 90 now)

How cow batman! I see a 30/30/30/30/30 thief!

Yep like this kids with 30/30/30/30 Trait build

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/72662/gw004.jpg

was only done with 20/30/10/0/10

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/70788/gw001.jpg

holy shhhhh!
dat 3 signet thief with 10 points in shadow arts must be an unkillable death machine!

Rezzet.3614:

look at pvp all you see is heartseek spamming noobs .

why are you whining then? who’s the worse noob? the guy spamming hss or the one getting killed by it?

Rezzet.3614:

yeah i forgot we have infinite dodge rolls

/sarcasm

learn to time dodges then. i know, running to the forums crying ‘op’ is easier.

Ungood.3054:

Most games when they put in stealth, they put in a counter, either skills like Spot, Items that allow you to see invsi, or abilities to counter the stealth ability in some way, like searching.

GW2 offers nothing.

Someone else suggested a few pages back of giving rangers pets that could see through stealth, which I think would be fitting, because iirc, ranger and thief are the only 2 medium armor classes in the game, and it seems fitting that a ranger above all other classes should be able to spot a thief.

stealth in other games works totally different. and there are more medium armor classes. maybe you should learn the basic game mechanics before you run to the forums and cry ‘op’.

Sin.4130:

buttski.6135:

‘Most thieves don’t make it out of the lower tiers because you can mitigate them very easily’.

So even Anet is telling you – in a roundabout way – to l2p.

Again you take your stuff from your little imagination land.

lol, So why he doesn’t want to buff them. Tell me more fairy tales.

well, read the link

what did you provide? only some fantasies from your little wannabe imagination land

Sin.4130:

ANet confirmed that stealth is broken in WvW by putting there anti-stealth traps. If thief is so easy to kill without anything or by anyone why this traps appeared?

Of course you have to pay for that. You still can’t buy those traps for real money (gems) but who knows what future will bring. You waste sources for that anyway just to beat some lonley thief if he ever will appear…

And again you’re wrong (as always).

Read this. Those are tips from Robert Hrouda concerning thieves:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Devs-mention-ranger-PvE-buffs/first#post1835635

‘Most thieves don’t make it out of the lower tiers because you can mitigate them very easily’.

So even Anet is telling you – in a roundabout way – to l2p.

Again you take your stuff from your little imagination land.

why should they answer when there is no issue?
we’re already telling that you scrubs are bad pvp’ers. the devs don’t need to say it again.

Sin.4130:

I do agree that this can ruin game very soon. I don’t understand why any mmo must go through this stealth problem and at the end they always say yes we were wrong. Wy ANet can’t jump now to those conclusions of giants in market.

Many of us have some old school preference. We love any kind of rangers, warriors, guardians etc. even from cRPG games where they are always mighty and fearless. ANet is killing those golden memories silently and this is huge mistake.

nobody ever said that. maybe in your little imagination land they did, but not in reality. ofc making things up make you feel better, doesn’t it?

well whatever, you already showed us that you know kitten about pvp (like saying mesmer are kitten in spvp for example). lol.

the thing is, you whiners will never stop whining. never. you will always find something to complain about. why? because you suck.

you believe that you are good pvp’ers. you’re wrong. you’re not even avaerage. you’re the bottom 10%-20% when it comes to skill. that’s why you run to the forums and cry for nerfs.

Sin.4130:

Mesmer in spvp is a joke.

this perfectly shows your ‘knowledge’ about pvp.

Sin.4130:

buttski.6135:

Sin.4130:

Evilek.5690:

Sin.4130:

1 vs 1 can show proper balance in game, that’s what I meant, and Of course it is very important for some players. There are many unofficial fight clubs in gw2 already.
Look at this video, good thief can mess a lot not only in 1 vs1 or 1 vs x …, it is like god mode. We can’t pretend that we don’t see it:
http://youtu.be/Q0QtQ1sotHo

Of course we see zombie zerg with no brain

Mostly commanders are good players, when they die by thief like that it can decrease morale of all group. That’s why probably commander left this mini zerg.

Most of squad members don’t know game enough to know this thief god mode, this is another reason to nerf it.

this commander and his whole zerg were terrible and absolutely not good players. maybe you fail to see this because you’re just a bad pvp’er aswell.

pvp shouldnt be balanced around the bottom 20% (pvp skills). and those are the ones crying for nerfs and complaining the whole time.

If you are so pro pvp player do that with any other class even against that amount of bots instead of real players, i m waiting for video, lol

look em up yourself. i don’t have to proove anything.

i eat thieves for breakfast with my necro. if i lose to one, he was better than me, that’s it. and yes, i 1vX vs groups. 90% of the wvwvw pvp’ers are just bad.

ofc you can try to improve or run to the forums and whine about anything. we can see your decision.

yeah, we get double teamed at the moment. and i don’t respect elona either.
i have 0 respect to lowskill zergservers.
it’s a pity that wvwvw all about who brings more people and not who brings better players.

Sin.4130:

Evilek.5690:

Sin.4130:

1 vs 1 can show proper balance in game, that’s what I meant, and Of course it is very important for some players. There are many unofficial fight clubs in gw2 already.
Look at this video, good thief can mess a lot not only in 1 vs1 or 1 vs x …, it is like god mode. We can’t pretend that we don’t see it:
http://youtu.be/Q0QtQ1sotHo

Of course we see zombie zerg with no brain

Mostly commanders are good players, when they die by thief like that it can decrease morale of all group. That’s why probably commander left this mini zerg.

Most of squad members don’t know game enough to know this thief god mode, this is another reason to nerf it.

this commander and his whole zerg were terrible and absolutely not good players. maybe you fail to see this because you’re just a bad pvp’er aswell.

pvp shouldnt be balanced around the bottom 20% (pvp skills). and those are the ones crying for nerfs and complaining the whole time.

dude. nobody, and i mean nobody, runs from viz. they are just too easy to loot to run from them. why would someone pass on all those lootbags?

nice.
Message Body length must at least be 15.

Jacklo.4230:

Love the videos that are posted… as if only Thief can do 1 vs X

Ooh look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdTnXeZslKs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9IdpgUJCvs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_DE7AZrTj8

Just some random videos of other people playing different classes to good effect.

You know, maybe it really is JUST YOU.

this.

LordByron.8369:

just a thing…
You can deal with a thief only if the thief is a BAD thief.

if a good thief decide that a fight should be a game of chances you can t do anything about that.

Predictin is the worst thing in a fight it can be countered by both sides so unless one of the 2 players is really bad and predictable, there is no way skill can influence the outcome.

So the fact that most thieves are predictable doesn t means that the class is balanced and reactable.

yeah, you’re absolutely right! if someone is better than you and beats you, his class should be nerfed to the ground so that lowskilled pvp’ers like yourself can win the whole time! rofl.

Leorcyn.1063:

TyrDaishi.1057:

The most hilarious comment I’ve read so far was a vizunah player who claimed Elona is bad at open field fights.

Well, I guess that was my comment.
And I’ll reiterate : Elona should work on open field fights, it’s by far their greatest weakness.

lol are you serious? some viz giving advice about others open field fight skills?
we have had some fights against elona and they did fight quite well (even when they lost the whole time). but when engaging viz it’s more like ‘huh? what’s with the battle? where are all thos lootbags coming from?‘.
a common joke on deso is: ’a typical vizunah: my mum told me i could become everything, so i became a lootbag!’

but whatever, so looking forward to go to t2 as with elona entering there are now 2 hardcore blobbing servers.

90% of wvwvw players are bad pvp’ers. there are some players though who play tpvp successfully and then ofc it feels overpowered to lose against them.
this is ofc not thief specific but a good spvp’er with a thief can ‘play’ with his prey. i guess that this feels even more overpowered to the ususal wvwvw’er.
if anet seriously would follow all those complaints (and those ‘whines’ come from new and ignorant players) thieves would be destroyed and the complainings would target another class after that. then there are those posters who start spreading misinformation (you can’t blame them as they are quite new and/or ignorant).

so getting owned by a good pvp’er plus seeing threads with misinformation will let the wvwvw’er see his feelings confirmed (gtting owned by a good player while believing that he is a good pvp’er aswell).

i suggest to do some spvp and train some classes and builds. ofc this won’t help all wvwvw’er as the most of them play on a very low skillcap (and will always stay there) but a small percentage could benefit from this.

so here we are now:

thief shouldn’t be able to port.
thief shouldn’t be able to cleanse.
thief shouldn’t be able to evade.
thief shouldn’t be able to stealth.
thief shouldn’t be able to deal damage.
thief shouldn’t be able to have so much armor (rofl. yes, somebody complained about this).

i have another suggestion to make thieves balanced:

thief shouldnt be able to use the run animation. only walk. how am i supposed to hit my skillshots on them?! nerf!

JonathanSharp.7094:

We did test, but internal servers and external servers are not the same. Our internal tests were fine. This is why we beta!

you know… there is something like public test server to test such things… just a little protip, you can thank me later.

roostapro.9827:

Sorry for this post, I just wanted to get this off my chest, I’m tired expecting buffs and getting nerfed instead, tired of other classes being the best class in the game, tired of lopsided balance and tired of looking at the class manifesto hoping for it to be true.

ROFL. dude u srsly made my dayDDDD

NREF THEIFS!!!111

lol.
better 2 months!

wvwvw = quantity > quality

i’d kill for staff, rifle and claws!

Burnfall.9573:

Obviously, you can tell who they are? Thiefs and Warriors a.k.a God Mode Elitists.
D/D Elementists can be at times.
Other than that. i’m sure you got it all figured out who didn’t make to the top list.

And to those made it to the bottom of the piles goes to…….. Rangers and Engineers a.k.a The “Complainers” and " The clueless"

I’m sure the countless deaths speaks for itself.

Why not make a thread asking who are the “lesser” classes in WvW?
Oh wait!! I’ve already listed them.

lol. i like your posts! with every post you’re reconfirming your scrubness

if you use such a sig then you want to say something. and i wanted to poke on this.

well let’s start over then. what do you wanna do with your thief? gibbing weak targets and then run? roaming? running with the zerg?

there are many factors and there is not THE wuv build. nevertheless i recommend starting out with valk armor, bers acc, bers weapons and with d/d or d/p where d/d is easier to play but you can get more out of d/p.
traits should be x/x/30/x/x (iv and xi are a must imho).

you have to try most things out.

90% of the wvwvw players are just plain kitten bullcrap pvp-wise.
ofc it’s easier to run to the forums and cry and moan and beg for nerf instead to learn to play.

btw scrub (burnfall), your vid is from january.

Cambra.7592:

3 in almost every team, good ones nearly impossible to catch and kill and bad ones still put out 4-5k crits with heart seeker and dont even get me started on the skilled dual pistol build.

Class requires almost no effort

wait what? you’re complaining about p/p thieves?
r u srs?
rofl!

Charmide.4891:

salluks.6017:

TatsuKan.5412:

Bren.9320:

Now that Vizunah 24/7 queue for every map coverage is back.

There is no currently no queue… & the are queues only during primetime…

are u guys normal humans or robots?

u have everything on a map including quaggans and ur still running 20+ supply camps to kill the odd sentry that someone took..

unemployed Robots.

fixed it for you.

you’re from a professional esports team and can’t figure out some good wvwvw builds?
uuhhhhuuummm…

deathmatch is pretty boring and would bring many balancing issues.

wp deso at durios a couple of mins ago. we killed the superbig vs blob (i demand you have to pay for bigger bags for me. always so full of loot after meating you) and the sfr blob. even with sfr helping vs and teaming up with them to defend durios it’s needless to say we killed them all and took it.

brb looting bags.

and the point of this thread is… what… (besides of being totally useless)??

PowerBottom.5796:

Really, if a game like Smite can get more Viewers on Twitch.tv and be a more successful e-Sport (afaik they already had some decent Tournaments at Pax or sth.), then ANet needs to take a hard look at themselves, because on every level besides a few key-features, GW2 is a superior game.

About the Patchnotes: Custom Arenas most likely will not be in it, so I really don’t care.

Even Sim City has more viewers than GW2 lol.
ANet really fails at delivering.

Master of Timespace.2548:

A fact is that 95% wvw population are trash. All they do is zerg in huge blobs spamming skills. Then when they get owned by a single skilled roamer thief, they come here to cry how OP thief is.

exactly this.
the problem is, the whining scrubs don’t have a clue about game mechanics (as you can see in this thread) and making up numbers to feel better.

i’m quite happy that anet ignores them and only does small adjustments to balance.

the usual whiner (and therefore terrible at playing, adapting and understanding game mechanics) would leave after all (‘lol this game is kitten!!1’) or start crying about another class he gets stomped by.

imho anet should delete such whinethreads and give whiners an infraction. this way this forum could be usefull again.