Guild Wars 2

In a large team fight, it makes me sad seeing an enemy thief downed out of stealth when he wasn’t even the main target.

Warriors hard counter necro/reapers. That’s pvp 101.

In the past there have been “pro” level pvpers who were ignorant about basic class mechanics.

necros and warriors cannot exist symbiotically.

When there were more warriors used (hambow and shoutbow reign) necros struggled to thrive in higher tier game play.

Then June patch came that significantly nerfed the warrior and buffed the necro. We saw a rise in cele signet necro builds and warriors’ traits got royally kittend up.

Necros, although still not very popular at least have presence in the competitive landscape. People now choose this class. If warriors get the buff they need, you will see a big decline in necromancer representation.

Drennon.7190:

Don’t swap from thief. Ever. Every time your team loses due to double thief, smear it in your teammates face. Because “thief is fine” right?

Also, I think an even bigger problem is when other thieves defend the class and say it’s perfectly fine, L2P pls.

Thieves that actually believe their class is fine suffer from some kind of mental illness where they prove their superiority over others by ignoring obvious flaws.

It’s interesting most thieves that deny the class’ weakness queue with a higher tier premade. They have no consideration at all for the majority solo queue thieves

Stilgar.6437:

abc.5790:

Eles had better sustain pre June 23 patch

false.

ele sustain always was the biggest problem and it still is, which is blatantly obvious if you play or watch a match involving eles

Nerfs in the latest patch where minuscule and mostly irrelevant (you still have 100% vigor, you still have 20-25 might), and the RoF buff was absolutely not what the class needed.

THAT’S NOT WHAT YOU SAID when you started THIS:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/can-we-expect-cele-ele-fix-before-HoT

Ryou.2398:

Where do some of you think you have any credibility when you do not play thief? I am not saying that thieves are underpowered since I do not know and do not play one just because there are meta builds does not mean they are fine.

One does not need to play a thief to realize that the class needs its defenses buffed in pvp. I find people who are sincerely concerned about the class balance of this game to be much more credible than say….an opinionated, over-critical, person as you with very little to bring in the discussion.

Oh and wtf, according to your forum comments, you’re still a noob yet you feel all high and mighty, looking down on people with legitimate concerns and disregarding them for not playing the class

Edit: I play all 8

I don’t agree. Burn is the new condi burst they introduced in the June patch. It makes pvp more challenging and it puts people that don’t carry cleanses in check.

The June patch also scaled down condition damage meaning condis do less damage per stack per tick.

Also, the biggest source of damage from condi mesmers are confusion and torment. Then bleeds and burns. They can also create a spec that does ok bleeds but not so much burns

You guys complain about engies lacking synergy. Well you’re all wrong because Bunker Down synergizes well with….Magi Amulet :/

It brings me satisfaction playing a class not everyone can pick up on or have the patience to try to master. It brings me even more satisfaction playing a class that isn’t considered OP.

What’s the value of playing thief?

Magical things happen when I swap from thief to an OP class.

Solo players make up the heart and soul of pvp.

Most of these tourney types only queue in a team because they are afraid to queue solo. Why? bcoz they know theyre not that good w/o their buddies to back them up.

Therefore if they cant queue a team, they don’t play.

So why should anet accommodate cowards that don’t play with out a team? Theyre investing in the wrong people. However, the premades will always queue up no matter what. Even when they are abused to pieces and being fed to flaky team/tourney types.

How does the Sigil of Intel work on Engi?

It works wonders, my friend, it works wonders.

stun breakers, condi cleanse and dodge prevent you from being one shotted (although I think it’s more like being caught in a cc chain than one-shotted)

Revenant could be an awesome counter to DH. Have you tried it? If not you should

DuckzOnFire.4027:

Hah, Gottem.
/15char

how much did u pay them? next time I can negotiate a discount for u

Can we please get confirmation that they will reset next season? I was one of the many who pushed for an MMR reset before leagues began. This garbage we have now would have turned out smoother had they reset MMR.

They add you if they thought you did well in a match. It’s a good thing when they add you.

When ppl add you, add them back.

Sometimes, I get a message from one of the guys who added me if we should team up.

Teaming up with someone who added you means they recognize your abilities. If they recognize your abilities it means they are not noobs.

Your chances of winning when you team up with someone who added you greatly increase.

If you think someone is good, add them too and they may add you back.

If you want people to add you, I have a secret.

Play a build with a trait that helps teammate rezzes. People love adding good rezzers hahaha it’s true.

I also appreciate a good rezzer because they know the importance of not being outnumbered while you’re at spawn.

Howdy parner. Any high burst build with a thief out of stealth is almost insta-death. Be it shatter Mesmer, burn guard, zerk warrior, s/w ranger on quickness…

Burn guard is a troll build that can work against inexperienced players. Confusion/Torment Mesmer is another troll build that doesn’t kill as fast as burn guards and also doesn’t die as fast as burn guards but can really annoy players with more experience.

This league design is not going to work.

High mmr ppl being stuck in emerald n sapphire means there will be a shortage of good matches in higher divisions

Trash talking is expected in competitive environments. If everyone were kind and polite, I would get creeped out.

And who the heck is tyrone?

First of all, it wasn’t short.
Secondly, it won’t be an impulse purchase if you bought it tomorrow or next week.

This thread is beginning to sound like one of those Sponsor a Child commercials on TV.
For a few cents a day, sponsor a tight fisted person to get expac.

Then they quit after a few days

It isn’t affected by any healing coefficients!

I find that absolutely flawed because it cannot be effective with a bunker down support build.

At the same time, you can get pretty good healing w/o investing much into healing trait.

It’s just strange…

perhaps changing your account name may help you?

Either you people have no integrity or you forget REALLY fast. To tell me that the complaints about eles before the RoF and might nerf was about sustain and not burns is absolutely incorrect on every possible level.

This is what the pvp forum thought of d/d eles before the RoF nerf and after the June patch. Bear in mind that this is only as far back as 2 months ago or about 1/3 of all complaints about elementalist BURN OPness

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Burning-Fire-trait-Does-this-bother-no-one

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Balance-Cele-DD-Ele-Please

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Do-something-with-this-insane-burning/first

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Stop-with-the-QQ-for-ele-nerf/

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Meta-ele-d-d-nerf-confirmed/first

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Ele-stacking-officially-seen-as-an-exploit/

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Elementalists-Balance-Celestial

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/D-D-Ele-A-more-focused-fix

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Another-Balance-Path-Ele-Still-Supreme

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Is-Ele-Base-Damage-Too-High

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Issues-with-the-elementalist-Fire-line/first

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Ele-Wars-2

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/as-an-ele-i-m-sick-of-fire-line

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Elementalist-and-Ring-of-Fire/first

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/D-D-ele/

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/D-D-Ele-from-a-Ele-player-perspective/first

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Before-you-nerf-D-D-ele/

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/DD-Ele-Burns/

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Not-Another-Ele-Post

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Ele-Nerf-After-WTS

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Realistic-way-to-nerf-Ele

Tempest sux leave eles alone.

One of the best times I’ve ever had in GW2 history is that short window after June patch where mesmers were ungodly OP and all the d/d eles came crying on the forum.

Now we are hanging on a thread as a +1 pet. You know what, I don’t mind being a pet seeing how ranger’s pets have gotten smarter and more useful than rangers.

My thief is afraid of updates. Updates are like attrition damage to the class. I hope expansion doesn’t put us in downed state. This reveal stuff is unnecessary, it really is. Maybe if they stopped giving out free stealth to classes that don’t need it (engie, ranger etc) reveal wouldn’t be necessary.

This guy is influential. The only person who didn’t like Minstrel. If anet listens to him, maybe we can bribe him to post topics that serve our best selfish interests.

A lot of people queue rank when they have no business doing so. They just make the game more miserable for others

Drennon.7190:

Saiyan.1704:

zinkz.7045:

lilz shorty.1879:

We have one specific viable spec in PvP and WvW, and what do they do to the elite? Nerf it? LOL…….

Ahh, poor guards, only one viable spec in WvW, for a class that has been both a requirement and the most numerous for 3 years, I am sure engies, rangers, mesmer, etc are crying tears for you.

How about PvP, well lets see, for nearly two years every single team had a bunker guard, and since then decent representation with medi, then more bunker and condi build, again I am sure those who play classes who have spent huge periods of time as poorly represented like ranger, necro, mesmer, etc are shedding tears for your perceived plight.

What next, elementalists moaning?

Trust me, OP doesn’t represent the Guard community.

Good thing the solo queue hero is a better representation of the Guardian community than one who has actually played top tier pvp….

I agree with the OP on this new ranger role. At the same time, there’s nothing wrong with being a solo queue hero. A lion’s share of PvPers are solo queues.

Funny how the thread about improving bad matchmaking didn’t interest the “elite tourney folk” while thousands of solo queuers cheered and saw it as a win.

The tourney folk represent such a huge minority. Unfortunately, a lot of people are sheep and look up to tourney folks without realizing how different the gameplay is between the 2 modes.

I have nothing against this OP but I’ve witnessed that most tourney ppl don’t queue solo. And brave ones that do could hardly carry the team or in other words, they weren’t outstanding as one would expect.

Amazing trebbers are a rarity. Pro teams are rotation, team combat and 1v1 focused. Only amazing trebbers should attempt to use treb. Everyone should cap instead. If one teammate is an idiot and decides to treb even though he sucks at it (HAPPENS ALL THE TIME) then he puts your team in a disadvantage. If the other team is smart, they will let the other team stay on treb.

Sorel.4870:

cakeonroof.7385:

Drennon.7190:

Don’t swap from thief. Ever. Every time your team loses due to double thief, smear it in your teammates face. Because “thief is fine” right?

Also, I think an even bigger problem is when other thieves defend the class and say it’s perfectly fine, L2P pls.

Thieves that actually believe their class is fine suffer from some kind of mental illness where they prove their superiority over others by ignoring obvious flaws.

It’s interesting most thieves that deny the class’ weakness queue with a higher tier premade. They have no consideration at all for the majority solo queue thieves

Yeah! You tell them! Everyone should play 1v1 builds, and just run to points and kill people!

I happen to have this “mental illness” you describe. While thief is my main, I play every profession but elementalist. You know why that’s fun? Because they all feel and play different. It’s a team game, and it’s balanced again different roles, and thief is not only “perfectly fine”, it’s by far the best in its role. So far, I must say, that it was ALWAYS in the meta. Now, the lack of different builds is boring, but thief is definitely not trash tier.

This thread underlines one of the biggest problem in MMO pvp: people get too attached to one profession. If you don’t like the role a thief is supposed to fill, or can’t play it, then don’t! Play ele, or engineer if you like to duel. And boys, even if you soloq like I do, play this game like it’s a team game!

Hell yeah brah. Mentall illness ftw. Dude hook me up w/ some pills so I’m alert when I +1 these noobs.

I love my mobility, damage, stealth. A small buff to survivability is all I need. It’s like this, the longer I’m alive, the sooner I can decap far and rez all you downed scrubbah dub dubs. I play all 8.