Guild Wars 2

Velran.1052:

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

Honey, it’s absolutely about people running away.

You even included gliding in the OP, don’t even pretend.

You’re annoyed because you can’t use your completely lame, brainless to play roaming build to kill off someone not built to fight you, don’t even pretend otherwise.

Here’s an idea, maybe adapt to the reality that a roamer’s job is supposed to be cutting off reinforcements and flipping camps.

Not 1v1’ing every person you can see.

You want to talk about what’s killing WvW? It’s people like you.

No one needs a useless selfish roamer that just goes and gets pointless kills. You’re doing nothing for your server, you’re actually more pointless than a full glass pug that can’t push in a fight.

Haha, calling roaming builds lame and brainless. What a typical zergling, probably had your brain worn out by pressing nothing other than 1. Roaming is probably the one thing anymore in wvw that requires actual skill, considering how many zerglings like you would waypoint to gank the one roamer that got scouted.
Probably flipped more camps, ganked more dolyaks and ninja flipped more towers than you could ever do in your time pressing 1 in a zerg. You don’t even know what roaming is.

drcraig.9403:

Your argument simply isn’t valid get over it. Trying to turn the replies into “daredevil hate” or a lack of skill on others players is pathetic. Nobody disengages and runs for it more than a DD. I don’t see anyone crying to Anet that their abilities should be on a timer. How about if Anet only gave thieves stealth every 60 seconds, or nerfed short bow 5. Lets make short bow 5 cost 10 initiative. How does that sound? Your argument is a joke. Have fun getting shafted in the future I hope it happens regularly. You clearly don’t see the common sense from the numerous replies. I’m out, you’re a waste of time.

My argument is more valid than you could ever grasp. You seem to have 0 knowledge about how classes work in this game. Like have you started playing this game yesterday? Because you have 0 sense of anything in this game, So get off your majestic high horse and actually play the game. Maybe you’ll learn some kitten. Using your daredevil hate to justify kittened mechanics. Could not be anymore patethic.

This thread really showed me how much of a crybaby the community in this game has become. Calling anything that kills you cheesy/brain dead/lame and boring. I honestly doubt any of you actually play WvW. The amount of pitiful hate over the fact that i play daredevil just shows why this game mode is going downhill. It’s all about pressing 1 behind a commander and otherwise sitting in a tower hoping nobody attacks it.

Continue to waypoint away like little scared babies, Justifying yourself with the fact that you have a crappy zerg build, And crying about being picked off while running back to the zerg.

I’m getting the kitten out of here so please go back to your usual tower camping and whatnot you casuals do. And for kitten sake please lock this thread. These people have the common sense of a dying goat and cant see past their own biases.

Yes please do “get the kitten out of here”. Bye little buddy (patting the top of your head) go stand in the corner, clench your fists, stomp your feet and cry because your argument is a complete joke. The way points work as intended.

Velran.1052:

lol more people using their salt over daredevils to justify bad game mechanics. Movement speed is part of DD balance (or unbalance), and regardless of if it needs to be nerfed or not, you should not be inherently allowed to escape fights that easily.
Kittening hilarious when zerglings call roamers bad and demand not fighting anything that they cant win over. Guess this community will continue to be a cucked downhill spiral into casualness. Might as well replace other servers with AI that cant fight back so even with the crappiest zerg build you wouldn’t stand a chance of losing.

If you run a zerg build that can’t fight 1v1 then don’t go around alone. Otherwise you deserve to die. And this isn’t about people running away. This is about people waypointing the moment i render on their screen. I’ve had people WP away while outnumbering us, leaving their friends to die.

Your argument simply isn’t valid get over it. Trying to turn the replies into “daredevil hate” or a lack of skill on others players is pathetic. Nobody disengages and runs for it more than a DD. I don’t see anyone crying to Anet that their abilities should be on a timer. How about if Anet only gave thieves stealth every 60 seconds, or nerfed short bow 5. Lets make short bow 5 cost 10 initiative. How does that sound? Your argument is a joke. Have fun getting shafted in the future I hope it happens regularly. You clearly don’t see the common sense from the numerous replies. I’m out, you’re a waste of time.

This is a non issue. Lets assume you’re talking about people fleeing a 1v1 and not you + 2 or 3 friends. Not everyone is interested in playing same way. Some players are only comfortable in a zerg, especially if they’re new to the game mode. Maybe they weren’t in proper gear / spec. There could be a number of reasons they didn’t feel like indulging you. Mesmers & thieves spend half their time blinking / stealthing. Should I ask Anet to make it easier for me to catch them? Of course not.

Honest John.4673:

drcraig.9403:

Oh Yeah, well just for that I’m transferring to MAG as soon as possible and infect you all!

That’s like going number 1 in an ocean of number 1.

So you’re saying I’ll fit right in. See you in the EB until then.

Honest John.4673:

Everything is discussed openly in WvW and every WvW-er claims the right to have an opinion on any and all questions. One plays on Jade Quarry, the other Maguuma, one a server leader, the other a pug, a commander, a scout, a zerger, a roamer. There is nothing dishonorable about choosing one side or the other of a question. Discussions happen in public and where matters are unclear or confused one settles it by argument and counter argument. But there is one problem that is not discussed publicly, one that it is delicate even to mention: the Blackgate question. It is taboo in our gamemode.

The Blackgate player is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a blobber and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

One cannot defend himself against the Blackgate player. He attacks with lightning speed from his position of safety and uses his abilities to crush any attempt at defense.

Quickly he turns the attacker’s charges back on him and the attacker becomes the liar, the troublemaker, the terrorist. Nothing could be more mistaken than to defend oneself. That is just what the Blackgate player wants. He can invent a new lie every day for the enemy to respond to, and the result is that the enemy spends so much time defending himself that he has no time to do what the Blackgate player really fears: to attack. The accused has become the accuser, and loudly he shoves the accuser into the dock. So it always was in the past when a person or a movement fought players from Blackgate. That is what would happen to us as well were we not fully aware of his nature, and if we lacked the courage to draw the following radical conclusions:

1. One cannot fight the Blackgate player by positive means. He is a negative, and this negative must be erased from the WvW system or he will forever corrupt it.
2. One cannot discuss the Blackgate question with Blackgate players. One can hardly prove to a person that one has the duty to render him harmless.
3. One cannot allow Blackgate players the same means one would give an honest opponent, for he is no honorable opponent. He will use generosity and nobility only to trap his enemy.
4. The Blackgate player has nothing to say about WvW questions. He is a foreigner, an alien, who only enjoys the rights of a guest, rights that he always abuses.
5. The so-called honorable morality of the Blackgate players is no morality at all, rather an encouragement to betrayal. Therefore, they have no claim to protection from ANet.
6. The Blackgate player is not smarter than we are, rather only cleverer and craftier. His system cannot be defeated economically — he follows entirely different moral principles than we do. It can only be broken through political means.
7. A Blackgate player cannot insult a true WvW-er. Blackgate slanders are but badges of honor for a WvW opponent of Blackgate.
8. The more a WvW-er or a WvW guild opposes the Blackgate, the more valuable it is. If someone is attacked by Blackgate, that is a sure sign of his virtue. He who is not persecuted by Blackgate, or who is praised by them, is useless and dangerous.
9. The Blackgate player evaluates WvW questions from a Blackgate standpoint. As a result, the opposite of what he says must be true.
10. One must either affirm or reject anti-Blackgatism. He who defends Blackgate harms his own people. One can only be a Blackgate lackey or a Blackgate opponent. Opposing Blackgate is a matter of personal hygiene.

These principles give the anti-Blackgate movement a chance of success. Only such a movement will be taken seriously by Blackgate, only such a movement will be feared by them.

The fact that he shouts and complains about such a movement therefore is only a sign that it is right. We are therefore delighted that we are constantly attacked Blackgate players on the forums. They may shout about terror. We answer with Mussolini’s familiar words: “Terror? Never! It is social hygiene. We take these individuals out of circulation just as a doctor does to a bacterium."

Oh Yeah, well just for that I’m transferring to MAG as soon as possible and infect you all!

Honest John.4673:

drcraig.9403:

Honest John.4673:

drcraig.9403:

MadBomber.3719:

drcraig.9403:

Breaking up BG won’t work. Last time I checked BG had about 147K accounts.

how do you know how many accounts BG has? you work for anet??

also BG isnt that great all their NA guilds got farmed last night by one mag guild. KIS CL KnT XvX pretty much one pushed all night, only time they won a fight is when they fought 5 feet away from hills with mortars and constanly respawning back in

I have an account on GW2 Efficiency and it gives that information. If BG isn’t that great why are you whimpering like a little child right now? Hmm…..

Where on earth is that information? Cause I have an account too and that info isn’t exposed anywhere in the API.

You should see it on the page that gives your account value.

Uhhumm.. I don’t know how to put this but that 147k is the number of players who’ve published their API key to gw2efficiency to be taken into the leaderboard rankings. I’m on mag and see the same number.

Thanks I honestly didn’t know that was how it was factored.

Sylvyn.4750:

drcraig.9403:

Actually George Orwell is one of my favorite authors. Unfortunately, with regards to this conversation it’s simply a matter of differing perspective. It’s as old as the world.

True…we are not on the same farm, and from my perspective, I’d rather be on a farm with 100 acres for 10 horses than one with 100 horses on 10 acres.

I’m going to give you something very few people get from me on these forums. My respect. If Anet makes changes I’ll honor them whatever they are and I won’t cry about. If we were on the same server I would want to play by your side.

Honest John.4673:

drcraig.9403:

MadBomber.3719:

drcraig.9403:

Breaking up BG won’t work. Last time I checked BG had about 147K accounts.

how do you know how many accounts BG has? you work for anet??

also BG isnt that great all their NA guilds got farmed last night by one mag guild. KIS CL KnT XvX pretty much one pushed all night, only time they won a fight is when they fought 5 feet away from hills with mortars and constanly respawning back in

I have an account on GW2 Efficiency and it gives that information. If BG isn’t that great why are you whimpering like a little child right now? Hmm…..

Where on earth is that information? Cause I have an account too and that info isn’t exposed anywhere in the API.

You should see it on the page that gives your account value.

MadBomber.3719:

drcraig.9403:

MadBomber.3719:

drcraig.9403:

Breaking up BG won’t work. Last time I checked BG had about 147K accounts.

how do you know how many accounts BG has? you work for anet??

also BG isnt that great all their NA guilds got farmed last night by one mag guild. KIS CL KnT XvX pretty much one pushed all night, only time they won a fight is when they fought 5 feet away from hills with mortars and constanly respawning back in

I have an account on GW2 Efficiency and it gives that information. If BG isn’t that great why are you whimpering like a little child right now? Hmm…..

whos whimpering? you all getting farmed, all your guilds got one pushed last night. get a grip

Okay I got a grip.

Sylvyn.4750:

drcraig.9403:

Server linking is not only fair it’s the last ditch effort to give everyone a chance to win. But hey breaking up our community is fair right? Laughable!

While I agree linking was necessary from a population standpoint, the communities of non-host servers have declined significantly as the host server gets all the credit. The only identity we really have is within our own guilds, for which it has been harder to find recruits with no name recognition in WvW and with Lion’s Arch being a mega-server mixup. Why should BG’s community be immune in the name of balance when most of the other communities have not? Do you need to go back and read Animal Farm? All servers are equal, but some are more equal than others…

Actually George Orwell is one of my favorite authors. Unfortunately, with regards to this conversation it’s simply a matter of differing perspective. It’s as old as the world.

MadBomber.3719:

drcraig.9403:

Breaking up BG won’t work. Last time I checked BG had about 147K accounts.

how do you know how many accounts BG has? you work for anet??

also BG isnt that great all their NA guilds got farmed last night by one mag guild. KIS CL KnT XvX pretty much one pushed all night, only time they won a fight is when they fought 5 feet away from hills with mortars and constanly respawning back in

I have an account on GW2 Efficiency and it gives that information. If BG isn’t that great why are you whimpering like a little child right now? Hmm…..

Swamurabi.7890:

drcraig.9403:

Swamurabi.7890:

Strider Pj.2193:

Swamurabi.7890:

drcraig.9403:

Breaking up BG won’t work. Last time I checked BG had about 147K accounts. The WvW community is a very small portion of all those accounts. We’d coordinate, pick a low pop server and absorb their WvW community. Even if we lost some players we’d get some back.

BG has played by the rules since launch. We’ve dealt with win trading, double teams and server linking. We’ve manged to stay on top and played by the rules at the same time. We should be punished for that?

Begging Anet to wipe out a community just because it’s bigger or better than yours is pretty sad. My advice would be to take responsibility and try to strengthen your own community. Another option, and one I think Anet would like a whole lot more than angering one of their biggest servers would be for you and people like you, is to drop $30 and by and alt account. It would help you avoid BG and it would help Anet increase their revenue flow.

Nice spin there, the same “rules” that you play by are the ones that also prevent any other server from competing equally with BG.

You don’t have to break up BG as a server, just the small fraction that plays WvW.

Still doesn’t solve the hibernators. Or hibernation to open a closed server.

Since Anet reads the forums AND they have time to not only look at what happened with HoT but to fix it for PoF I’m sure we’ll see something from the WvW devs on this subject.

The tears have been falling for years so I wouldn’t count on it. Server linking is not only fair it’s the last ditch effort to give everyone a chance to win. But hey breaking up our community is fair right? Laughable!

What is laughable is that you actually believe that linking is fair.

You and all the other “BG defenders” should create an alt account on another server and see what WvW looks like to most of the other players.

No thanks, not interested.

Shining One.1635:

drcraig.9403:

Offer bribes to break up the server? BG has dealt with win trading, double teams and server linking. We play for pride, you can’t buy that.

You do not speak for 100% of players on over-Full servers. No one does. At least some portion of the players would be motivated to move to servers that earn rewards at a faster rate. Those players that move off would not be replaced due to the lock on incoming transfers.

No I speak only for the people I know , who I play with in BG. Try and bribe us if you think it will work. Doesn’t cost me anything.

Swamurabi.7890:

Strider Pj.2193:

Swamurabi.7890:

drcraig.9403:

Breaking up BG won’t work. Last time I checked BG had about 147K accounts. The WvW community is a very small portion of all those accounts. We’d coordinate, pick a low pop server and absorb their WvW community. Even if we lost some players we’d get some back.

BG has played by the rules since launch. We’ve dealt with win trading, double teams and server linking. We’ve manged to stay on top and played by the rules at the same time. We should be punished for that?

Begging Anet to wipe out a community just because it’s bigger or better than yours is pretty sad. My advice would be to take responsibility and try to strengthen your own community. Another option, and one I think Anet would like a whole lot more than angering one of their biggest servers would be for you and people like you, is to drop $30 and by and alt account. It would help you avoid BG and it would help Anet increase their revenue flow.

Nice spin there, the same “rules” that you play by are the ones that also prevent any other server from competing equally with BG.

You don’t have to break up BG as a server, just the small fraction that plays WvW.

Still doesn’t solve the hibernators. Or hibernation to open a closed server.

Since Anet reads the forums AND they have time to not only look at what happened with HoT but to fix it for PoF I’m sure we’ll see something from the WvW devs on this subject.

The tears have been falling for years so I wouldn’t count on it. Server linking is not only fair it’s the last ditch effort to give everyone a chance to win. But hey breaking up our community is fair right? Laughable!

Swamurabi.7890:

drcraig.9403:

Swamurabi.7890:

drcraig.9403:

Breaking up BG won’t work. Last time I checked BG had about 147K accounts. The WvW community is a very small portion of all those accounts. We’d coordinate, pick a low pop server and absorb their WvW community. Even if we lost some players we’d get some back.

BG has played by the rules since launch. We’ve dealt with win trading, double teams and server linking. We’ve manged to stay on top and played by the rules at the same time. We should be punished for that?

Begging Anet to wipe out a community just because it’s bigger or better than yours is pretty sad. My advice would be to take responsibility and try to strengthen your own community. Another option, and one I think Anet would like a whole lot more than angering one of their biggest servers would be for you and people like you, is to drop $30 and by and alt account. It would help you avoid BG and it would help Anet increase their revenue flow.

Nice spin there, the same “rules” that you play by are the ones that also prevent any other server from competing equally with BG.

You don’t have to break up BG as a server, just the small fraction that plays WvW.

So Anet should change to rules to appease the people who can’t win? Going down that road in any competition will ultimately ruin any game.

Servers can’t win mainly because Anet’s rules prevent equal competition.

Really? So the people who picked BlackGate at launch made it impossible for everyone else to win. That’s basically what you’re saying and that’s pathetic.

Swamurabi.7890:

drcraig.9403:

Breaking up BG won’t work. Last time I checked BG had about 147K accounts. The WvW community is a very small portion of all those accounts. We’d coordinate, pick a low pop server and absorb their WvW community. Even if we lost some players we’d get some back.

BG has played by the rules since launch. We’ve dealt with win trading, double teams and server linking. We’ve manged to stay on top and played by the rules at the same time. We should be punished for that?

Begging Anet to wipe out a community just because it’s bigger or better than yours is pretty sad. My advice would be to take responsibility and try to strengthen your own community. Another option, and one I think Anet would like a whole lot more than angering one of their biggest servers would be for you and people like you, is to drop $30 and by and alt account. It would help you avoid BG and it would help Anet increase their revenue flow.

Nice spin there, the same “rules” that you play by are the ones that also prevent any other server from competing equally with BG.

You don’t have to break up BG as a server, just the small fraction that plays WvW.

So Anet should change to rules to appease the people who can’t win? Going down that road in any competition will ultimately ruin any game.

Breaking up BG won’t work. Last time I checked BG had about 147K accounts. The WvW community is a very small portion of all those accounts. We’d coordinate, pick a low pop server and absorb their WvW community. Even if we lost some players we’d get some back.

BG has played by the rules since launch. We’ve dealt with win trading, double teams and server linking. We’ve manged to stay on top and played by the rules at the same time. We should be punished for that?

Begging Anet to wipe out a community just because it’s bigger or better than yours is pretty sad. My advice would be to take responsibility and try to strengthen your own community. Another option, and one I think Anet would like a whole lot more than angering one of their biggest servers would be for you and people like you, is to drop $30 and by and alt account. It would help you avoid BG and it would help Anet increase their revenue flow.

Shining One.1635:

How about instead of “harming” anyone, just incentivize the population to rebalance itself. You could quadruple all rewards for servers below the Full threshold, double the rewards for servers at the Full threshold and cap those servers, and provide no increase to the servers above the Full threshold. I bet those over-Full servers would start de-stacking when players on Medium servers start earning their legendary armor in 1/4 the time.

Offer bribes to break up the server? BG has dealt with win trading, double teams and server linking. We play for pride, you can’t buy that.

Sifu.9745:

There is no difference! You can check it by yourself: go afk and ask your buddy Power Thief (or any other Power class) to burst you down.
With zero Toughness it takes about 4 – 7 seconds. More or less, it depends on class and how much health do you have.
With 1200 Toughness it takes, what a surprise, 4 – 7 seconds lol.
I guess i can just completely ignore this stat in PvP.

Now lets check the difference between 0 and 1200 Power. I think that we don’t need any explanations here, right?

Let me start by saying I think your testing may be flawed. Perhaps not. Maybe there’s a bug that Anet needs to address.

When you did your testing did you check the damage in the combat log? Did your buddy crit and if so how often? Did he crit the same amount of times for the same amount of damage? 1 or 2 extra crits while you had on your armor would make a difference and could explain why he burned you down in the same time frame.

I would retest in the spvp lobby and have your buddy strip down. No amulet or armor runes at all. As close to base stats as possible.

Have him burn you down while your stripped, no amulet or runes, just base stats. Then put on an amulet only, maybe Knights, and have him do it again.

Check time span and combat log and see what happens.

sephiroth.4217:

kin korn karn.9023:

The stupid thing is, nobody ever called for a duo-queue as far as I can remember. People were asking for solo and team to be split.

When your only options for a vote are things that nobody even wanted in the first place, you can’t really blame the voters for the outcome.

I remember being asked if we wanted Solo Q added. I don’t remember being asked if I wanted one or the other.

Solo Q added? I’m not sure that makes sense, without solo queue we’d be back to hot joins. I’m starting to wish I had a better memory.

Let me start by saying I don’t know what kind of work would be involved for Anet and I don’t care about playing on a 5man team. I’m an average player at best and play for fun in all game modes. That being said I’ve paid my money just like you and am allowed my opinions and suggestions.

We’ve all seen threads from the people who are upset because they can’t play with their 4 bestest friends. I believe it’s a lot more about not being able to blowout the “competition” and not being able to blast out reward chests as fast as possible. I also believe the community can’t support team queues without extremely long queue times. As far as I’m concerned they can queue today for a match tomorrow.

My suggestion is simple. Offer a legendary at the end of the season. Convert a piece of gear with a token or even get crazy and offer a real legendary. Juggernaut, Incinerator etc…If there’s a better way to entice players offer suggestions to Anet. I don’t care if the pver’s complain about all the work they had to do blah blah blah. This is a game and nobody is forced to do anything. I detest the state that warrior is in, but I “choose” to play it. That kind of work warrants some type of reward. I guess I’ll settle for the "enjoyment"of playing it. Yes Anet, I’m talking to you, and I’m making a mean face right now!

See ideas below
Season 1
No placement matches or MMR they’re not needed
Play is based on first come first serve to keep queue times as short as possible
Minimum match requirement * 20, 30, 50 * Not sure, don’t care
Best winning % wins the season * In the event of a tie it goes to more matches played *
Making it somewhat of a grind should keep the queues moving and nobody can camp a good record.

Insert more suggestions here

Rewards
1st Place A legendary or access to convert a piece of ascended
2nd Place A piece of Ascended gear
Everyone else – Whatever reward track you had selected * Haha

• Lets face it, the same 1 or 2 teams are going to win every season but the real reward is being able to play together, am I right? ** Gooooo Teeeam!!!

Some people actually care about playing as a team, fair play and good competition. Not very popular concepts these days I know. Others proclaim to care about these things but are really in it for easy wins and loot.

Anet, lets separate the wheat from the chaff shall we

The AT’s are a great Idea but clearly aren’t enough to satisfy all of the heartbroken besties who can’t play together. They need healing and this might help.

Getting a couple of jabs in at Anet for the way they’ve treated the warriors of the world the last couple of years is my reward for coming up with the greatest idea in the history of the Guild Wars franchise. Okay I’ll admit, bringing the Alpine maps back was better.

All feedback should be directed to Anet. Or completely ignore it. I don’t care if you love it or hate it. Don’t tell me to git gud, L2P or to go kill myself. I refuse to do all 3.

If you read this whole thing I commend you and pity you at the same time. Is that even possible?

Hey and welcome to GW2! It would be hard to offer better advice than what Ralkuth offered. I will say this though. Have FUN! Play what you want in unranked and enjoy. Warrior and Guardian are great classes and offer different things. Like WoW a lot of your experience will depend on the most recent balance patch. Right now warrior is sitting on the scrap heap. Mettabattle.com will usually give you the most recent meta builds available if you’re interested in that. Unranked is great for practice or using off the wall builds to experiment with. Like Ralkuth stated, in GW2 your weapon skills are weapon specific. That being said, don’t be surprised if sword/shield doesn’t appeal to you as much as axe/shield or mace/shield. You may even dump the shield and run something like sword/torch.

Once you start playing “ranked” don’t be surprised if your team expects you to play a specific build and or fill a specific role. You can even get flamed in chat if you are playing a class that’s unpopular at the time. Ranked can be toxic and it’s pretty common for the person doing the least on your team to be doing the most complaining in chat.

I forgot to add. World vs World can be the best pvp in the game. Depending on what you’re looking for. You can roam around by yourself or in a very small group looking for 1v1 or small scale fights. Another option is to zerg with a large group and steamroll smaller groups and look for large scale fights. Attacking / defending Stonemist Castle in Eternal Battleground, or any major garrison can be pretty epic. Think Alterac Valley but with 3 teams not 2 and a whole lot more people.

Exedore.6320:

drcraig.9403:

Exedore.6320:

Behold the excuses…

Saying that a 5man solo is at a extreme disadvantage against a 5man team isn’t an excuse.

Nope. It’s an excuse.

Except for the very top tier of players who actually coordinate skill use and preemptively arrange res and cleave, there is fundamentally no different between a full team queue and group of solo players. Here’s the common list of excuses and counter-arguments:

• The team queue may plan their build roster, but the solo players have over a minute to coordinate swaps. If you want to be good at PvP, you need to be able to play a few roles.
• The team queue may have voice comm, but if they don’t use it to coordinate burst, res, or cleave, then it’s not really offering a significant advantage.
• The team queue may employ team tactics rather than “solo queue mentality”. But that’s the solo queue players’ fault for subconsciously avoiding teamwork. In a team-based game, team-based tactics should reflect increased rating.
• Team queue gives top players an easy way to get to the top. They’re on top now; nothing changed.
• Team queues can inflate the rating of lesser players. This is only true to an extent. Except for a group of top players, it’s difficult to be able to carry someone significantly worse, and the top players are penalized heavily on losses. If the elevated lesser player goes off on their own or with a less able group, they’ll drop quickly to their proper placement.

So ya, try some more. I’ll be happy to refute them.

You refuted nothing. You offered opinions to justify your hurt feelings. Your bullet points are somewhat humorous, especially the one about using voice comm but not using to plan strategy. None of it matters. The community voted based on the experience and Anet listened to the majority. The majority matters more, that’s why you have a vote. Had the vote fallen in favor of teams, I wouldn’t be crying about it. I simply wouldn’t play a game mode I didn’t enjoy. In the real world you don’t just get to have your way all the time. If you aren’t adult enough to accept the outcome cry some more. Maybe Anet will have another vote and you can lose again.

Saiyan.1704:

Yes.. nerf them… nerf all of them!

I appreciate your honesty. No sugarcoating , just straight to the point. Even if I disagree with you I respect that.

Kadj.6725:

2 queue max is ruining ranked, I agree!

… It should be solo only. And ATs should be more frequent(I suspect they will be once they smooth out all the weird bugs they’ve had with tournaments stalling and people getting stuck in them), and not divorced from the primary grind in PvP(ascended/legendary armors). I’d also like to see a streamlined lfg tool for ATs; you can bet that uncurated parties won’t win, but it will be one more option to fill out parties. (Ideally some small pip bonus for being an LFG party would be nice. Nothing to make losing a viable strategy, but enough to say ‘thanks for your time in making this tournament a little more competitive.’)

But yeah. Remove duo from ranked. Duo is just one more imbalance that throws off the matchmaker, and improperly skews rating.

I’d actually be curious to see a 4v4 ranked ladder that is only duos though, that said. No new maps, just an experiment in composition balance.

4v4 with duos only is a very interesting idea. I’m with you as well, solo queue only would be fine with me.

Exedore.6320:

Ithilwen.1529:

No.. it’s not that people want to play together. It’s that people want to get together and exploit solos. The old team queue is gone and I hope it never comes back.

Behold the excuses…

Saying that a 5man solo is at a extreme disadvantage against a 5man team isn’t an excuse. It’s a reality. I’m an average pvp’er and enjoy a good match. People who are crying because they can’t run their 5man premade against 5man solos aren’t interested in a good match or competition. It’s all about blowing out the “competition” and blasting through the reward chests. I think it’s great that Anet put a stop to that. On the other hand, the players that actually care about sportsmanship and fair play ( I know these are unpopular and totally foreign concepts to most people these days ) can always try the AT’s or see what’s popping in the Obsidian Sanctum.

The community doesn’t have the player base to support a 5man queue outside the AT’s so I’d get over it and find a good partner if being at max advantage is that important to you.

Kuya.6495:

choovanski.5462:

@Kuya

if anet is actually making is so one specialisation is for pve, and the other is for pvp. and are doing this by nerfing the ‘pve specs’ so much that they are not viable in PvP…..

then oh my gosh. if they are consciously doing that. I don’t know what to say. well, apart from that it’s the dumbest decision on earth.
why not have both specialisations viable in PvP and you know, have build diversity? like what is bad about that. why introduce more elite specs then make it so half of the specs only work in one gamemode. it’s such a dumb idea.

like, why not go the engineer route for all classes. both Holo and Scrapper are gonna be viable, and two really different choices.
why you wouldn’t want this for all classes is 100% beyond me. 1 spec for PvP and one for PvE, god what a dumb decision, I honestly hope that’s not the goal here.

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like, as far as beserker goes. removing the primal burst CD nerf, and making it so going into beserk mode counts as a t3 burst would bring it back. it would be good again. it’s not super hard to creatively un-kitten it’s sustain, which is what was nerfed mostly.

Engineer? Are we talking about the same class here? Engineers in pve go core for raiding. Scrapper is only meta in pvp.

Furthermore, maybe you’re right. Making one elite specialize in pvp and another pve is not build diversity in pvp or pve. It is build diversity on the game in general if two elite specs don’t compete for the same spot in the same game mode though. And if it’s between that and having elites being better than the previous ones rather than offering new ways to play a class, than i prefer the former.

I think the problem with the kind of people who post on this forum is a problem of expectations. You expected anet to balance elite specs a certain way and get outraged when they don’t meet your expectations. But you never seem to question whether your expectations are realistic or ultimately desireable in the long term. I think we should all practice more self criticism and study whether our desires and expectations are really practical and whether they match the designer’s vision for what an elite spec should be.

Instead though, on this forum in particular, we seem to act like we’re ordering at McDonald’s.

Your statement makes sense to me and I agree that at times our expectations can be out of whack for what’s best for the game. Speaking of a having new or various was to play a class I’ve heard some interesting things. Another poster stated that Berserker is going to be configured to be more of a condi spec and Spellbreaker is going to be power. I’ve heard Reaper will be more power and Scourge more condi. Whether this is good or bad has yet to be seen, if it happens at all. Could be interesting, and if all else fails people can run a hybrid build. Having choices is the key.

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

Someone from each class should post this quote on each class subforum for thoughts.

Yes please do. Be sure to add my original post to insure proper context. Otherwise you’re just “hollowman”. This is what losers do when they’re sad about being a failure. LOL

I don’t like picking on sad cases so I’ll leave you alone moving forward. LOLOLOL

CrashTheGrey.1492:

Weird confirmation bias, really? This from a guy who entered a conversation based on a single sentence and then decided to ignore the details from my original post. Gimme a break.

I was merely mocking your incorrect blanket statement (an opinion) and you got so triggered you tried to strawman it back to your original post. Multiple people mocked you before I even stepped in. Take off the fedora and get some fresh air please.

The beauty of conversation is I can agree with some but not ALL of the things you are saying, and poke fun at the fact that you would rather talk in circles than appreciate outside perspective that isn’t obviously biased towards warrior. Now multiple people have refuted you, and your argument alone is faulty in that you only consider a specific time frame and use it as CONFIRMATION BIAS to say that warrior is more poorly treated than other classes.

Crack a book dude, you are struggling here.
Edit: Here’s the definition for you to make things a bit easier.

Confirmation Bias: the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one’s existing beliefs or theories.

I.E. Warrior has been very strong/ too strong at different points in time.(as others have pointed out). But because of “new evidence” (arena net’s horribly planned nerfs) you are making a blanket statement that they are more poorly treated than other classes. Confirmation Bias.

You are trying to limit the scope of observable evidence, and noone with half a brain will let you. Truth hurts.

Keep trying Crash. What I said was specific and people like you are trying to make it a blanket statement. You keep denying the details and claim whatever hollow victory you feel you’ve won. Much like your win in a pvp match, it doesn’t mean anything in the real world. Oh and by the way you’re using confirmation bias incorrectly. Present facts relevant to the time frame or give it up. Saying all professions have been shafted over the last 5 years is obviously true. Unfortunately for you I wasn’t talking about the last 5 years. Noone with half a brain would allow you to change the “scope of observance” just so you can win. My scope of observance was 2 years. I’m really starting to pity you so take whatever hollow “victory” you feel you’ve achieved and enjoy it. See “Hollowman”, I’m a pretty nice guy.

Me-“Man this is the hottest summer in the last 3 years”

Crash- “Nuh uh, it was hotter 5 years ago”

Me- “No Crash I was talking about the last 3 years not 5”

Crash- “You’re talking in circles”

SolarDragon.7063:

Amaimon.7823:

Loop.8106:

Amaimon.7823:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

OriOri.8724:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

If we come across a guardian, they have a stability upkeep of 100%, occassionally with blocks, we dead.

Last time I checked, the guardian had access to 4 seconds of stability every 55 seconds. or 8 seconds every 87 seconds with renewed focus.
If we come across a warrior and he hits bulls charge, we dead.

Guardian drops his traps, then thethers the warrior, then spawns a circle of shields, all the while being able to continue his stream of dps, IF a warrior survives all that, then we can fire a headbutt yes or bulls charge, yes (although I prefer Stomp)

I seem to remember this thing called endure pain… now stop whining.

Ah yes, endure pain. Yet another nerf to the warrior class. Personally I think it was the right the thing to do, but I disagree with how it was reworked. I think the utility should have remained the same, but they could have changed the trait to offer protection + some swiftness instead of invuln. Either way, 2 seconds still comes in handy against cheese builds like the one described above.

Loop.8106:

Amaimon.7823:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

OriOri.8724:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

If we come across a guardian, they have a stability upkeep of 100%, occassionally with blocks, we dead.

Last time I checked, the guardian had access to 4 seconds of stability every 55 seconds. or 8 seconds every 87 seconds with renewed focus.
If we come across a warrior and he hits bulls charge, we dead.

Last time I checked, a guardian also had a couple of dodges, blocks and stun breaks as well. If you’re dyeing because you’re out of stab and a warrior lands a bulls charge you either need to learn to play or everything you have is on cooldown.

Kuya.6495:

The impression I’m getting from how anet has been balancing warrior lately is that:

1. they intend berseker to be a condi elite and Spellbreaker a phys dps elite.

2. they intend berserker to be the elite you use in pve and Spellbreaker the one you use in pvp and wvw.

So with that in mind, i don’t really feel the nerfs that were specific to berseker were such a bad thing since core wariror can replace it thanks to might makes right. And i do find it funny how the complaints went from “elite specs are purposely being made op by anet when compared to core!” to “anet is making the elites worse than core and therefore no longer elite!”

I get that it’s probably not the same crowed of people complaining and the people who wanted core to compete with the elite in pvp are now happy, but i can’t help but laugh at the 180. In fact, now the complaint about spellbreaker seems to be that it sucks because it’s not impressive at pve as condi berserker dps which is tied to how condi is governing raiding meta (which mind you, some people are mad about) yet while some complain about a condi meta in pvp, another side is mad that the condi war elite isn’t as good as the power core spec.

It’s all just so funny.

Thanks for the feedback and I hope you’re right. I won’t feel nearly as disgusted if you are. I’ve heard that reaper and scourge could be in for this type of arrangement as well.

Ralkuth.1456:

drcraig.9403:

your mom

Forum PvP is a source of great joy.

I know, but it wasn’t dirty. I tried perhaps to no avail to show some class.

Ithilwen.1529:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

Mesmer says hello. Warrior has often been the golden child of ANET. Perhaps you remember the days of 5 hambows rolling over everything in sight? Mesmer languishing in trash tier for close to 2 years…

But to address the point of nerfs. I don’t honestly think warrior is OP at this point. It’s frustrating that I can’t really damage them while in berserk mode. They also have a very heavy burst. On the other hand, unless the player is fairly good at it, I can usually take a warrior, ( on a core Mesmer build.) You kite them and then hammer them when there immunity wears o ff.

Hey mesmer girl. I think people are missing that I’m talking about since HoT. I understand everyone gets a turn, good or bad. With the exception of a couple short windows warrior has been hurting for a pretty long while now. Mirage has gotten some bad reviews, sorry.

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

OriOri.8724:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Sorry but saying you don’t need to make an argument, isn’t an argument. If you read my original post, I clearly ask for feedback from other professions. If Anet has taken your “Elite”, whatever it may be, and made it a complete joke I’d be interested in hearing it.

Lastly, until someone lists all the things I have to be happy about as a warrior main. I stand by my statement. What other professions have be nerfed to the scrap heap?

People are refuting your statement of “Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.” This is an exaggeration. There’s no argument, it’s speculation and its a joke.

I main warrior, and have very actively vocalized my issues with its current state and the changes to berserker. Context is lost on people.

Speculation? Yet you didn’t answer a simple question. What other profession has been ruined the way warrior has? If you can’t answer that, maybe you’re the joke. Take the last word, try not to waste it.

All of them have been ruined at different points in time, and since you’ve been living under a rock, and any player opinion is just that (opinion), please reference every single class sub forum. Maybe you weren’t around for ShoutBow and Hambow?

Every class in this game has been screwed by ArenaNet at different times, and it is not disproportionate to warrior. Mesmer is certainly strong now, but oh god has it always had awful PvP diversity and meta presence at time over the years. The stuff you are saying is vague and there is relativity to consider. Go grab a towel.

Sorry Crash, I knew you’d waste it. In the future before you interject with whatever useless information you have you really should read the original post. I was specifically speaking about the last 2 years since HoT release. Maybe you’re the one who should grab a towel. I’d say thanks but……

I feel sorry for you, I’m going to once again remind you that people, myself included, which I have tried to make abundantly clear multiple times, are refuting THIS statement, not your “original post”:

“nobody is treated as poorly as warrior”

Stop embarrassing yourself. I beg of you, learn how to read before posting on a forum.

Haha my statement was an extension of my original post. HEELLLLOOOOO?? Anyone home?? Weren’t you the one who said “context is lost on people”? Boy were you right. Good luck in the future I have a feeling you’re really going to need it. LOL

Can’t tell if English is a second language for you, but I can tell you are full on triggered and it’s hilarious.

Triggered?! You must be kidding, I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time. Thanks!

Would you like to 1v1 me? While we’re going with strawmans, I can go ahead and beat you, record it, and post it as evidence that anything you possibly say is incorrect in light of me being better?

Oh my goodness, I love it! You are so salty right now I can almost taste it. I surrender, there you win our 1 v 1. LOL have a nice day, if you are able. lololol

Colleseum’s audience right now:

LOL but I lost. Crash is a superior pvp’er! Reading comprehension? Not so much.

Pay me 150 dollars an hour and I’ll go through hooked on phonics with you and teach you how to bait dodges. That’s discounted.

(The Irony is I fully agree with the sentiments of ArenaNet breaking stuff and warrior being horrible, just not the notions of motive or the weird confirmation bias I keep seeing).

Weird confirmation bias, really? This from a guy who entered a conversation based on a single sentence and then decided to ignore the details from my original post. Gimme a break.

OriOri.8724:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

OriOri.8724:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Sorry but saying you don’t need to make an argument, isn’t an argument. If you read my original post, I clearly ask for feedback from other professions. If Anet has taken your “Elite”, whatever it may be, and made it a complete joke I’d be interested in hearing it.

Lastly, until someone lists all the things I have to be happy about as a warrior main. I stand by my statement, nobody treated worse than a warrior. What other professions have be nerfed to the scrap heap?

Oh yeah, please don’t remind me how great Burnzerker was for those 2 or 3 months. I don’t care for condi builds.

Look at mirage then…. This is why I can’t take you seriously. If you want to see a profession treated badly then look no further than mesmers. Our own class mechanic works against itself. Our kittening elite spec was designed around a name instead of a mechanic. We count ourselves lucky to not receive a nerf in every balance patch.

You are pathetic. You have had the best class in the game for the last 2 years and are gonna cry because mirage isn’t better?

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

OriOri.8724:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Sorry but saying you don’t need to make an argument, isn’t an argument. If you read my original post, I clearly ask for feedback from other professions. If Anet has taken your “Elite”, whatever it may be, and made it a complete joke I’d be interested in hearing it.

Lastly, until someone lists all the things I have to be happy about as a warrior main. I stand by my statement. What other professions have be nerfed to the scrap heap?

People are refuting your statement of “Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.” This is an exaggeration. There’s no argument, it’s speculation and its a joke.

I main warrior, and have very actively vocalized my issues with its current state and the changes to berserker. Context is lost on people.

Speculation? Yet you didn’t answer a simple question. What other profession has been ruined the way warrior has? If you can’t answer that, maybe you’re the joke. Take the last word, try not to waste it.

All of them have been ruined at different points in time, and since you’ve been living under a rock, and any player opinion is just that (opinion), please reference every single class sub forum. Maybe you weren’t around for ShoutBow and Hambow?

Every class in this game has been screwed by ArenaNet at different times, and it is not disproportionate to warrior. Mesmer is certainly strong now, but oh god has it always had awful PvP diversity and meta presence at time over the years. The stuff you are saying is vague and there is relativity to consider. Go grab a towel.

Sorry Crash, I knew you’d waste it. In the future before you interject with whatever useless information you have you really should read the original post. I was specifically speaking about the last 2 years since HoT release. Maybe you’re the one who should grab a towel. I’d say thanks but……

I feel sorry for you, I’m going to once again remind you that people, myself included, which I have tried to make abundantly clear multiple times, are refuting THIS statement, not your “original post”:

“nobody is treated as poorly as warrior”

Stop embarrassing yourself. I beg of you, learn how to read before posting on a forum.

Haha my statement was an extension of my original post. HEELLLLOOOOO?? Anyone home?? Weren’t you the one who said “context is lost on people”? Boy were you right. Good luck in the future I have a feeling you’re really going to need it. LOL

Can’t tell if English is a second language for you, but I can tell you are full on triggered and it’s hilarious.

Triggered?! You must be kidding, I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time. Thanks!

Would you like to 1v1 me? While we’re going with strawmans, I can go ahead and beat you, record it, and post it as evidence that anything you possibly say is incorrect in light of me being better?

Oh my goodness, I love it! You are so salty right now I can almost taste it. I surrender, there you win our 1 v 1. LOL have a nice day, if you are able. lololol

Colleseum’s audience right now:

LOL but I lost. Crash is a superior pvp’er! Reading comprehension? Not so much.

Pay me 150 dollars an hour and I’ll go through hooked on phonics with you and teach you how to bait dodges. That’s discounted.

LOL sorry, I have a better deal worked out with your mom.

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

OriOri.8724:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Sorry but saying you don’t need to make an argument, isn’t an argument. If you read my original post, I clearly ask for feedback from other professions. If Anet has taken your “Elite”, whatever it may be, and made it a complete joke I’d be interested in hearing it.

Lastly, until someone lists all the things I have to be happy about as a warrior main. I stand by my statement. What other professions have be nerfed to the scrap heap?

People are refuting your statement of “Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.” This is an exaggeration. There’s no argument, it’s speculation and its a joke.

I main warrior, and have very actively vocalized my issues with its current state and the changes to berserker. Context is lost on people.

Speculation? Yet you didn’t answer a simple question. What other profession has been ruined the way warrior has? If you can’t answer that, maybe you’re the joke. Take the last word, try not to waste it.

All of them have been ruined at different points in time, and since you’ve been living under a rock, and any player opinion is just that (opinion), please reference every single class sub forum. Maybe you weren’t around for ShoutBow and Hambow?

Every class in this game has been screwed by ArenaNet at different times, and it is not disproportionate to warrior. Mesmer is certainly strong now, but oh god has it always had awful PvP diversity and meta presence at time over the years. The stuff you are saying is vague and there is relativity to consider. Go grab a towel.

Sorry Crash, I knew you’d waste it. In the future before you interject with whatever useless information you have you really should read the original post. I was specifically speaking about the last 2 years since HoT release. Maybe you’re the one who should grab a towel. I’d say thanks but……

I feel sorry for you, I’m going to once again remind you that people, myself included, which I have tried to make abundantly clear multiple times, are refuting THIS statement, not your “original post”:

“nobody is treated as poorly as warrior”

Stop embarrassing yourself. I beg of you, learn how to read before posting on a forum.

Haha my statement was an extension of my original post. HEELLLLOOOOO?? Anyone home?? Weren’t you the one who said “context is lost on people”? Boy were you right. Good luck in the future I have a feeling you’re really going to need it. LOL

Can’t tell if English is a second language for you, but I can tell you are full on triggered and it’s hilarious.

Triggered?! You must be kidding, I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time. Thanks!

Would you like to 1v1 me? While we’re going with strawmans, I can go ahead and beat you, record it, and post it as evidence that anything you possibly say is incorrect in light of me being better?

Oh my goodness, I love it! You are so salty right now I can almost taste it. I surrender, there you win our 1 v 1. LOL have a nice day, if you are able. lololol

Colleseum’s audience right now:

LOL but I lost. Crash is a superior pvp’er! Reading comprehension? Not so much.

Undo.5091:

To answer the main question in this post… expect a nerf to the grandmaster trait “Might Makes Right”. Hopefully the nerf is only a change to the amount of endurance gained. Something like changing it from 5 to 3 endurance gained per might should be enough. Adding anything like a internal cooldown would just destroy the trait.

I don’t think this will be nerfed prior to the expansion, and at that point you’ll have an actual elite specialization to play.

I was actually thinking the same thing. The endurance regen is pretty extreme, not that I’m complaining. Having an actual “elite” to play will be a nice change indeed.

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ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Sorry but saying you don’t need to make an argument, isn’t an argument. If you read my original post, I clearly ask for feedback from other professions. If Anet has taken your “Elite”, whatever it may be, and made it a complete joke I’d be interested in hearing it.

Lastly, until someone lists all the things I have to be happy about as a warrior main. I stand by my statement. What other professions have be nerfed to the scrap heap?

People are refuting your statement of “Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.” This is an exaggeration. There’s no argument, it’s speculation and its a joke.

I main warrior, and have very actively vocalized my issues with its current state and the changes to berserker. Context is lost on people.

Speculation? Yet you didn’t answer a simple question. What other profession has been ruined the way warrior has? If you can’t answer that, maybe you’re the joke. Take the last word, try not to waste it.

All of them have been ruined at different points in time, and since you’ve been living under a rock, and any player opinion is just that (opinion), please reference every single class sub forum. Maybe you weren’t around for ShoutBow and Hambow?

Every class in this game has been screwed by ArenaNet at different times, and it is not disproportionate to warrior. Mesmer is certainly strong now, but oh god has it always had awful PvP diversity and meta presence at time over the years. The stuff you are saying is vague and there is relativity to consider. Go grab a towel.

Sorry Crash, I knew you’d waste it. In the future before you interject with whatever useless information you have you really should read the original post. I was specifically speaking about the last 2 years since HoT release. Maybe you’re the one who should grab a towel. I’d say thanks but……

I feel sorry for you, I’m going to once again remind you that people, myself included, which I have tried to make abundantly clear multiple times, are refuting THIS statement, not your “original post”:

“nobody is treated as poorly as warrior”

Stop embarrassing yourself. I beg of you, learn how to read before posting on a forum.

Haha my statement was an extension of my original post. HEELLLLOOOOO?? Anyone home?? Weren’t you the one who said “context is lost on people”? Boy were you right. Good luck in the future I have a feeling you’re really going to need it. LOL

Can’t tell if English is a second language for you, but I can tell you are full on triggered and it’s hilarious.

Triggered?! You must be kidding, I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time. Thanks!

Would you like to 1v1 me? While we’re going with strawmans, I can go ahead and beat you, record it, and post it as evidence that anything you possibly say is incorrect in light of me being better?

Oh my goodness, I love it! You are so salty right now I can almost taste it. I surrender, there you win our 1 v 1. LOL have a nice day, if you are able. lololol

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

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ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Sorry but saying you don’t need to make an argument, isn’t an argument. If you read my original post, I clearly ask for feedback from other professions. If Anet has taken your “Elite”, whatever it may be, and made it a complete joke I’d be interested in hearing it.

Lastly, until someone lists all the things I have to be happy about as a warrior main. I stand by my statement. What other professions have be nerfed to the scrap heap?

People are refuting your statement of “Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.” This is an exaggeration. There’s no argument, it’s speculation and its a joke.

I main warrior, and have very actively vocalized my issues with its current state and the changes to berserker. Context is lost on people.

Speculation? Yet you didn’t answer a simple question. What other profession has been ruined the way warrior has? If you can’t answer that, maybe you’re the joke. Take the last word, try not to waste it.

All of them have been ruined at different points in time, and since you’ve been living under a rock, and any player opinion is just that (opinion), please reference every single class sub forum. Maybe you weren’t around for ShoutBow and Hambow?

Every class in this game has been screwed by ArenaNet at different times, and it is not disproportionate to warrior. Mesmer is certainly strong now, but oh god has it always had awful PvP diversity and meta presence at time over the years. The stuff you are saying is vague and there is relativity to consider. Go grab a towel.

Sorry Crash, I knew you’d waste it. In the future before you interject with whatever useless information you have you really should read the original post. I was specifically speaking about the last 2 years since HoT release. Maybe you’re the one who should grab a towel. I’d say thanks but……

I feel sorry for you, I’m going to once again remind you that people, myself included, which I have tried to make abundantly clear multiple times, are refuting THIS statement, not your “original post”:

“nobody is treated as poorly as warrior”

Stop embarrassing yourself. I beg of you, learn how to read before posting on a forum.

Haha my statement was an extension of my original post. HEELLLLOOOOO?? Anyone home?? Weren’t you the one who said “context is lost on people”? Boy were you right. Good luck in the future I have a feeling you’re really going to need it. LOL

Can’t tell if English is a second language for you, but I can tell you are full on triggered and it’s hilarious.

Triggered?! You must be kidding, I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time. Thanks!

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CrashTheGrey.1492:

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OriOri.8724:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Sorry but saying you don’t need to make an argument, isn’t an argument. If you read my original post, I clearly ask for feedback from other professions. If Anet has taken your “Elite”, whatever it may be, and made it a complete joke I’d be interested in hearing it.

Lastly, until someone lists all the things I have to be happy about as a warrior main. I stand by my statement. What other professions have be nerfed to the scrap heap?

People are refuting your statement of “Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.” This is an exaggeration. There’s no argument, it’s speculation and its a joke.

I main warrior, and have very actively vocalized my issues with its current state and the changes to berserker. Context is lost on people.

Speculation? Yet you didn’t answer a simple question. What other profession has been ruined the way warrior has? If you can’t answer that, maybe you’re the joke. Take the last word, try not to waste it.

All of them have been ruined at different points in time, and since you’ve been living under a rock, and any player opinion is just that (opinion), please reference every single class sub forum. Maybe you weren’t around for ShoutBow and Hambow?

Every class in this game has been screwed by ArenaNet at different times, and it is not disproportionate to warrior. Mesmer is certainly strong now, but oh god has it always had awful PvP diversity and meta presence at time over the years. The stuff you are saying is vague and there is relativity to consider. Go grab a towel.

Sorry Crash, I knew you’d waste it. In the future before you interject with whatever useless information you have you really should read the original post. I was specifically speaking about the last 2 years since HoT release. Maybe you’re the one who should grab a towel. I’d say thanks but……

I feel sorry for you, I’m going to once again remind you that people, myself included, which I have tried to make abundantly clear multiple times, are refuting THIS statement, not your “original post”:

“nobody is treated as poorly as warrior”

Stop embarrassing yourself. I beg of you, learn how to read before posting on a forum.

Haha my statement was an extension of my original post. HEELLLLOOOOO?? Anyone home?? Weren’t you the one who said “context is lost on people”? Boy were you right. Good luck in the future I have a feeling you’re really going to need it. LOL

CrashTheGrey.1492:

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CrashTheGrey.1492:

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

OriOri.8724:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Sorry but saying you don’t need to make an argument, isn’t an argument. If you read my original post, I clearly ask for feedback from other professions. If Anet has taken your “Elite”, whatever it may be, and made it a complete joke I’d be interested in hearing it.

Lastly, until someone lists all the things I have to be happy about as a warrior main. I stand by my statement. What other professions have be nerfed to the scrap heap?

People are refuting your statement of “Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.” This is an exaggeration. There’s no argument, it’s speculation and its a joke.

I main warrior, and have very actively vocalized my issues with its current state and the changes to berserker. Context is lost on people.

Speculation? Yet you didn’t answer a simple question. What other profession has been ruined the way warrior has? If you can’t answer that, maybe you’re the joke. Take the last word, try not to waste it.

All of them have been ruined at different points in time, and since you’ve been living under a rock, and any player opinion is just that (opinion), please reference every single class sub forum. Maybe you weren’t around for ShoutBow and Hambow?

Every class in this game has been screwed by ArenaNet at different times, and it is not disproportionate to warrior. Mesmer is certainly strong now, but oh god has it always had awful PvP diversity and meta presence at time over the years. The stuff you are saying is vague and there is relativity to consider. Go grab a towel.

Sorry Crash, I knew you’d waste it. In the future before you interject with whatever useless information you have you really should read the original post. I was specifically speaking about the last 2 years since HoT release. Maybe you’re the one who should grab a towel. I’d say thanks but……

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

OriOri.8724:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Sorry but saying you don’t need to make an argument, isn’t an argument. If you read my original post, I clearly ask for feedback from other professions. If Anet has taken your “Elite”, whatever it may be, and made it a complete joke I’d be interested in hearing it.

Lastly, until someone lists all the things I have to be happy about as a warrior main. I stand by my statement. What other professions have be nerfed to the scrap heap?

People are refuting your statement of “Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.” This is an exaggeration. There’s no argument, it’s speculation and its a joke.

I main warrior, and have very actively vocalized my issues with its current state and the changes to berserker. Context is lost on people.

Speculation? Yet you didn’t answer a simple question. What other profession has been ruined the way warrior has? If you can’t answer that, maybe you’re the joke. Take the last word, try not to waste it.

CrashTheGrey.1492:

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

OriOri.8724:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Sorry but saying you don’t need to make an argument, isn’t an argument. If you read my original post, I clearly ask for feedback from other professions. If Anet has taken your “Elite”, whatever it may be, and made it a complete joke I’d be interested in hearing it.

Lastly, until someone lists all the things I have to be happy about as a warrior main. I stand by my statement, nobody treated worse than a warrior. What other professions have be nerfed to the scrap heap?

Oh yeah, please don’t remind me how great Burnzerker was for those 2 or 3 months. I don’t care for condi builds.

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ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

Welcome to the party OP! Sorry for your loss. It must be killing you that your 5man can’t easily steamroll a bunch of solos. Do the AT’s and stop crying.

Amaimon.7823 Well said, I’m glad I caught it before I logged out.

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

If you’re anything like me you were happy to see the rework on the Strength trait line for warriors. I was so happy in fact I have traded in the watered down version of “Berserker” for core warrior and am pretty happy with it. So my question to Anet is, when I can I expect you to ruin it? For whatever reason warrior isn’t allowed to be “Meta” and I’m fine with that. I’m not fine with the fact that Anet just won’r allow people who play warrior to have something solid to play for any length of time. They have nerfed the warrior profession regularly since HoT to the point that it has no “elite” specialization anymore. Maybe that’s the way it should be. At least until PoF, am I right?

This isn’t a complaint just an honest question. Will core warrior as it is right now get nerfed into the ground when PoF releases?

I welcome feedback from other professions as well, which is why i didn’t post this on the warrior forum. Has Anet made your “elite” a joke? Is the core offering of your profession better the the elite? Please keep in mind this is a pvp forum. PvE is an entirely different discussion.