Guild Wars 2

I don’t mind the pip system because advanced players should earn more pips. I’m only rank 150. I have a problem with the chest reset at the end of the week. If a person can’t invest the time to get all the chests during the week to get the tickets they get screwed. Your progress toward your next chest SHOULD NOT reset.

I run power warrior / berserker and the truth is without the zerker trait line you’re leaving a lot of powerful traits out of your build. I hate condi builds in general and have never run one on my warrior. I would suggest experimenting and find something that works better for you.

I agree with XTD! Best of luck to ET, they are a great partner.

Astralporing.1957:

drcraig.9403:

insanemaniac.2456:

drcraig.9403:

bLind.6278:

Warlord.9074:

I main warrior and don’t know how to play anything else and I got to ruby season 1 SOLO when It was trash, season 2 SOLO when it was trash, and Diamond now season 3 SOLO when it is good but not even the best and I got my Legendary done. And I am not even that good.

So I have really no sympathy for the people complaing, I bet you would never have been able to get to ruby in S1 on a warrior if you can’t get to ruby on your OP class.

I got midway through Sapphire in s2 on a warrior in six days despite having virtually never played sPvP before (apart from getting to rank 20 through primarily hotjoin matches). I’m nearly Diamond this season, solo.

You don’t deserve the wings any more than I do, but because you happened to actually play in season 1 and 2, you have them, and I don’t. According to his post he doesn’t play anything but warrior.

He can’t get the wings. I believe you need 50 wins on all 9 professions as part of the legendary journey. Unless they changed that rule. According to his post he doesn’t play anything but warrior.

lol no

3, 5, 7, 10 wins on 2-3 professions for each of the 4 meta achievements.

Really? Is that new or did I completely confuse myself? It wouldn’t be the first time that’s for sure.

You might have misread the achievements. Check the meta for each tier, it will tell you which of the achievements are needed (professional achieves themselves are not needed for meta – not directly anyway), what is needed is an achieve you get for completing 2 or 3 of those.

Got it, thanks for the tip. It was helpful

insanemaniac.2456:

drcraig.9403:

bLind.6278:

Warlord.9074:

I main warrior and don’t know how to play anything else and I got to ruby season 1 SOLO when It was trash, season 2 SOLO when it was trash, and Diamond now season 3 SOLO when it is good but not even the best and I got my Legendary done. And I am not even that good.

So I have really no sympathy for the people complaing, I bet you would never have been able to get to ruby in S1 on a warrior if you can’t get to ruby on your OP class.

I got midway through Sapphire in s2 on a warrior in six days despite having virtually never played sPvP before (apart from getting to rank 20 through primarily hotjoin matches). I’m nearly Diamond this season, solo.

You don’t deserve the wings any more than I do, but because you happened to actually play in season 1 and 2, you have them, and I don’t. According to his post he doesn’t play anything but warrior.

He can’t get the wings. I believe you need 50 wins on all 9 professions as part of the legendary journey. Unless they changed that rule. According to his post he doesn’t play anything but warrior.

lol no

3, 5, 7, 10 wins on 2-3 professions for each of the 4 meta achievements.

Really? Is that new or did I completely confuse myself? It wouldn’t be the first time that’s for sure.

bLind.6278:

Warlord.9074:

I main warrior and don’t know how to play anything else and I got to ruby season 1 SOLO when It was trash, season 2 SOLO when it was trash, and Diamond now season 3 SOLO when it is good but not even the best and I got my Legendary done. And I am not even that good.

So I have really no sympathy for the people complaing, I bet you would never have been able to get to ruby in S1 on a warrior if you can’t get to ruby on your OP class.

I got midway through Sapphire in s2 on a warrior in six days despite having virtually never played sPvP before (apart from getting to rank 20 through primarily hotjoin matches). I’m nearly Diamond this season, solo.

You don’t deserve the wings any more than I do, but because you happened to actually play in season 1 and 2, you have them, and I don’t. According to his post he doesn’t play anything but warrior.

He can’t get the wings. I believe you need 50 wins on all 9 professions as part of the legendary journey. Unless they changed that rule. According to his post he doesn’t play anything but warrior.

Chaba.5410:

drcraig.9403:

XTR.9604:

When I left, if you tried to get in at 9pm, you were sitting in a 40+ man queue no matter which map you were trying to go to.

It really isn’t like that now, it’s simmered down.

Stale match-ups, guilds leaving because of queues, and lack of enemies to fight… Isn’t that why it’s simmered down now?

You’re probably right. I know I’m getting tired of blob wars.

Xenesis.6389:

drcraig.9403:

Everyone one who isn’t on BG claims BG is too stacked. I play on BG and have to say more often than not the odds are very close. Stop the excuses and play better. Nobody was complaining when YB pvd’d their way into 1st place month after month. It isn’t BG / ET fault they have the best commanders and the best soldiers.

Almost choked on my drink while reading this. Obviously someone hasn’t played anywhere but on BG lol.

You like that one

XTR.9604:

drcraig.9403:

XTR.9604:

drcraig.9403:

Everyone one who isn’t on BG claims BG is too stacked. I play on BG and have to say more often than not the odds are very close. Stop the excuses and play better. Nobody was complaining when YB pvd’d their way into 1st place month after month. It isn’t BG / ET fault they have the best commanders and the best soldiers.

You’re silly. I was on BG and left because every map had 40+ man queue every day in NA prime. BG is over stacked. I am not even playing T1 anymore and I know this to be fact.

I play WvW every evening and except for reset can’t remember the last time I couldn’t get into a map.

When I left, if you tried to get in at 9pm, you were sitting in a 40+ man queue no matter which map you were trying to go to.

It really isn’t like that now, it’s simmered down. Personally, I’m getting tired of all the blobbing and have considered moving to a different server. I like smaller scale fights, not ppt. I don’t really care about weekly score just good combat. Anything over a 10 man group to me isn’t as much fun.

XTR.9604:

drcraig.9403:

Everyone one who isn’t on BG claims BG is too stacked. I play on BG and have to say more often than not the odds are very close. Stop the excuses and play better. Nobody was complaining when YB pvd’d their way into 1st place month after month. It isn’t BG / ET fault they have the best commanders and the best soldiers.

You’re silly. I was on BG and left because every map had 40+ man queue every day in NA prime. BG is over stacked. I am not even playing T1 anymore and I know this to be fact.

I play WvW every evening and except for reset can’t remember the last time I couldn’t get into a map.

Everyone one who isn’t on BG claims BG is too stacked. I play on BG and have to say more often than not the odds are very close. Stop the excuses and play better. Nobody was complaining when YB pvd’d their way into 1st place month after month. It isn’t BG / ET fault they have the best commanders and the best soldiers.

Spartacus.3192:

Furajir.3815:

Spartacus.3192:

drcraig.9403:

You are correct OP. If you trait shield master you do not get the regen when blocking / reflecting ranged attacks, instead you get the “reflect” only. You do get regen when blocking melee attacks even with shield master trait. I use dogged march as you stated. Doing that you get the regen from all blocked attacks. Ranged and melee.

+1. Exactly as he said.

I know you run a similar build to me, do you take dogged march over shield master?

I take Shield master. Even if i dont get the regen when blocking i like the reduced recharge on the shield skills. And if you were to calculate what percentage of time you are reflecting missles vs blocking attacks, i would say you are blocking melee more often and then the regen/might stacks pays off.

@Spartacus…you make a good point. I think I’ll try shield master for awhile and see how it goes. If nothing else it is good to have reduced recharge on the shield. Thanks!

@Hunter, If you’re playing ranked, don’t play Guard / DH. People will give you grief and unfortunately they’re justified. DG is in a pretty bad place right now. I stick to unranked mostly because I play whatever I have fun playing. I don’t care about the back piece because I only play a few different classes and have no interest getting X amount of wins on all 9 classes. DH will shine again, just not right now.

You are correct OP. If you trait shield master you do not get the regen when blocking / reflecting ranged attacks, instead you get the “reflect” only. You do get regen when blocking melee attacks even with shield master trait. I use dogged march as you stated. Doing that you get the regen from all blocked attacks. Ranged and melee.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

A few things.

Duelling is spontanious. Very rarely do you plan to duel. Most times, it just happens when you either meet someone who’s looking to have friendly practice or someone who ///// respects your skill/you respect theirs and want to mess around together. Often times you won’t even speak with the person other than sometimes whispering them to type “r” for “ready.” Between the spontaniety and little communication besides body language, this usually causes duels to happen in strange places. Most people who enjoy duels know of the common places however and try to keep their antics refined to said areas.

EOTM next to the Needle generator is a poor place but like many of the other duelling areas, it’s where it is so that others can see it and join. It can’t be too far out of the way or no one new will join and it can’t be too in the open or you’ll face getting run over by zergs constantly. In EOTM, there are very few places that meet the criteria needed to welcome more duellers without being directly in the path of a zerg. EOTM zergs tend to cover just about every inch of the map, I know this because I command there a fair bit.

That said, the duellers in EOTM are often pretty hostile. Although I don’t like when zergs intentionally run through duelling groups, it doesn’t bother me nearly as much when it’s in EOTM. Those duellers will usually gank stragglers and that’s not what a dueller should be doing.

Duels happen and that’s a fact of WvW life. Some people enjoy that kind of sportsmanship and opportunity to hone their skills. Purposefully going out of your way to interrupt it is as rude as it is for the duellers to berate you for doing so. It’s a free country, leave the duelists to do as they please and they’ll leave you to do as you please. No one hurts anyone.

And for anyone who wants to complain that they “take up space”, there are plenty of people who AFK at waypoints that are being less active than the duelists. Not only that, but most duelling circles only last for an hour or so. They might take up space in a Q but it’s rare that a group of duellers exceeds 10 people so I’d hardly call it significant enough to warrant chasing them off the map.

I don’t often duel myself but I enjoy watching them. I don’t see the harm in practicing where builds are more diverse and the environment is more unforgiving. The only time any issues come of it are when someone starts to complain about it which unfortunately happens just about every single kitten time. People just can’t let them do their thing without sticking their noses in it.

EDIT: Also about the inviting someone to your guild arena; that’s not always an option nor is it terribly appealing. You might enjoy fighting the people you’re fighting but you’re not always on the greatest terms with these people. It’d be like inviting someone in to your house after they break your nose and key your car. You probably want to keep your squabbles in a less personal space, as friendly as the competition might otherwise be. And again, duels are often spontanious and want others to join. If you go to a duelling arena in your guild hall, no one else can just stroll by and decide to join.

People are always gonna cry about it but the duellers are only going to be rude about the interruptions until people stop interrupting them. It’s not a hard concept to grasp. Leave each other alone. Most duellers with the exception of the aggressive circles in EOTM don’t hurt anyone who doesn’t hurt them.

If I have to stop interrupting duels so duelers will stop being rude then I guess duelers will always be rude to me LOL. Dueling is not as spontaneous as you say so you’re either a liar or just don’t know what you’re talking about. Go to the front of SMC sometime. I see the same dorks hanging out there on a regular basis. “STOP DUEL”….you know what I say to that? LOL

Celsith.2753:

drcraig.9403:

When they are not “dueling” they are flipping camps and ganking strays.

So stop them duelling so they go back to .. flipping camps and ganking strays? /logic

Logic is simple really. Kill the enemy every chance you get. Is that plain enough for you to understand?

Please disrupt duels whenever possible. When they are not “dueling” they are flipping camps and ganking strays. They don’t deserve the courtesy of being left alone to duel In peace. There are other places they can go and duel and not be bothered or bother people playing the game it was intended to be played.

“Condition damage is strong, but over 9 classes only 3 use conditions. There’s a reason, don’t you think?”

Where did you get this information? It doesn’t matter because you didn’t get it from the general player base in GW2. As much as some people would love for pro-league and metabattle to set the standard, it doesn’t. I would guess the amount of people who follow these forums would be comparable to the people who know what mettabatle is.

Bezerker.2379:

No, just stating that I think condi builds are for lazy, unskilled players.

Much of this is simply not cleansing properly. You say you run out of cleanses, and that is true, but much like vs power builds you don’t immediately blow your immunes and blocks, you should not be blowing your cleanses vs all condis.

Power damage comes in bursts or in sustained damage. Toughness helps deal with some of that. Condi duration traits/runes are similar to toughness. Then there is resistance, which is similar to say, an immune for power damage.

Know the conditions. Watch your stacks. A 3 stack bleed and a single burn won’t likely kill you. A 15 stack bleed with 3 burns and several poisons will, and use your cleanses when appropriate.

It’s no different than fighting a power class and knowing when to block or dodge.

Also, condi attacks are generally all dodgeable. Almost all of them require the skill to hit you first, so you just need to dodge when you see them telegraph it. A macebow warrior starts leaping at you for the primal burst? dodge. He begins to fire his longbow primal burst for scorched earth? interrupt if possible.

I agree they are annoying because we aren’t used to dealing with them, but the counters are fine in game right now.

Hey there. I understand what you’re saying, truth is I’m really frustrated. I WvW a fair bit and never mind too much when I get smoked by a condi build. It happens. In spvp though, when your stuck fighting in small groups it just seems a lot easier to me to condi bomb. I hate condi builds and rarely play them, but at times don’t feel like there’s much choice. When I say condi builds are lazy and unskilled, I base that on my own experience playing them. Thanks for the feedback, I do appreciate it.

Shaogin.2679:

Seems i need to repost this…

Wow, that time of the month already for some of you eh?

Okay, first of all, stop comparing condis to other games and trying to impose their laws on this game. Condis are not a “kill your enemy slow” source of damage. They are an alternate source of damage, just a different way to play.

Ok, more bubble popping time…..most condi builds require at least 2 of the following to be effective, condi damage, precision, and expertise. Boy this sounds alot like power builds needing power, precision, ferocity. Now now I know what you’re thinking, “But wait, power builds MUST HAVE all 3 of those stats, but but but condi reall only needs 1!” Not true my friend, plenty of power builds drop either ferocity or precision to take more defensive stats, aka our bruisers. This reduces their potential damage, just the same as condi users do when they go for their defensive stats.

Now on to the gameplay. You say “Well condi is just applied by autos and passives!” Well……yeah, welcome to how everything, including power damage, works in GW2. You telling me that you guys don’t have passives that deal direct damage or auto attacks that deal direct damage?

Now, mitigation is another topic I see often. Let’s set one thing straight to start with, the majority of methods for avoiding direct damage is the same for avoiding condi damage (aka block, blind, dodge, etc). Well then you guys say “Well condis go right through armor and protection, but power damage doesn’t!” Well that is true, but please tell me, what do condi cleanses and resistance do to power damage? Nothing right? Yup, they only effect condi damage. But here is the real kicker, whereas armor and protection reduce direct damage, resistance and condi cleanse completely negate condi damage. Poor power builds, sounds like they have it so hard.

Now for an example. My 2 favorite builds to play are Flamethrower Engi and Maurauder Engi, cause you know, Scrapper be boring as kitten. Now when I’m playing my condi Engi, I have fun setting a bunch of noobs on fire and bursting them down quick. However, I have no use in a teamfight due to constant group cleanses and my lack of aoe condi application. I accept that though, just one of my build’s weaknesses. But then I come across decent players that, gasp, bring condi cleanse, and I most often have to severely outplay them, disengage, or die. After a while of that I get bored and hop on my power Engi, and enjoy dealing much higher burst damage that isn’t completely negated, and I get to enjoy throwing my grenades into team fights and making a difference.

So this whole power vs condi argument is ridiculous. They are alternate methods of achieving the same goal, that’s it. Please stop kidding yourself into thinking one requires more skill than the other, they don’t. At some point you have to accept that the condi player that killed you either a) had a really easy time cause you didn’t want to or don’t know how to use your condi clear or, b) you were prepared to fight a condi class but you were simply outplayed. Stop blaming the game for your own shortcomings, unless of course it’s one of those patches where Anet completely broke something…..cause that does actually happen sometimes.

Sigh…since when does “condi cleanse completely negate condi damage?” You take damage until you cleanse don’t you? Or, how about this. You have 8 conditions on you ( this happens all the time ) you can cleanse 3, do the other 8 stop dealing damage? No, I didn’t think so. Condition damage and stacking is out of control. I don’t for one second believe you should be able to cleanse 100% of the applied conditions all the time. I do however think that cleansing 10 condis to only have 10 more stack on you 3 seconds later is a problem. I also think it’s a lazy and unskilled playstyle.

AtomsOrSystems.9420:

drcraig.9403:

AtomsOrSystems.9420:

drcraig.9403:

AtomsOrSystems.9420:

Condi Cleanse=Condi Damage Mitigation.
Toughness=Direct Damage Mitigation.
Healing=General Damage Mitigation

Yes, unfortunately you can run out of cleanse. That = no mitigation. Condi builds don’t run out of condis.

Yes, a condi build that ran out of condis would be a pretty sorry build.

However, toughness doesn’t stop all direct damage. I’m not clear what kind of damage mitigation you’re looking for, here. Do you want condition clears that can stop all condition damage?

No, just stating that I think condi builds are for lazy, unskilled players.

Then we’ll have to close by disagreeing, since your statement seems to be an entirely useless value judgement.

To be frank, you sound less like someone interested in balance, and more like someone who just doesn’t like dying to condi builds, and can’t be bothered to learn proper counterplay.

Agree to disagree Thanks Frank!

AtomsOrSystems.9420:

drcraig.9403:

AtomsOrSystems.9420:

Condi Cleanse=Condi Damage Mitigation.
Toughness=Direct Damage Mitigation.
Healing=General Damage Mitigation

Yes, unfortunately you can run out of cleanse. That = no mitigation. Condi builds don’t run out of condis.

Yes, a condi build that ran out of condis would be a pretty sorry build.

However, toughness doesn’t stop all direct damage. I’m not clear what kind of damage mitigation you’re looking for, here. Do you want condition clears that can stop all condition damage?

No, just stating that I think condi builds are for lazy, unskilled players.

AtomsOrSystems.9420:

drcraig.9403:

Hmm… what about the fact that condi bypasses toughness? So much for damage mitigation I guess. Seems to me with condi powercreep, condi builds have consistently gotten less skillfull. Agree to disagree I suppose.

Condi Cleanse=Condi Damage Mitigation.
Toughness=Direct Damage Mitigation.
Healing=General Damage Mitigation

Yes, unfortunately you can run out of cleanse. That = no mitigation. Condi builds don’t run out of condis.

Razor.9872:

The only way for condi’s to land on someone is for the skill to hit you.

If a skill hits you, it does damage.

Regardless if the skill is condi-focused, or direct-damage-focused.

You can spam buttons in a power build for the same effect.

Thus, the difference between condition application and direct-damage application is negligible.

Actually, in a direct-damage situation, your opponent can rarely negate 50-100% of your outgoing dps with just a couple skill-pops. In that sense, condi probably takes more skill.

Hmm… what about the fact that condi bypasses toughness? So much for damage mitigation I guess. Seems to me with condi powercreep, condi builds have consistently gotten less skillfull. Agree to disagree I suppose.

Saiyan.1704:

War, Nec, & Mes are typically the only viable condi classes and only Mes would “run away”. There’s a reason why no condi teams exist in spvp… they’re not very efficient. In a way, other condi classes other than these 3 takes more skill to make work.

Have you watched the pro league series? Not sure how many times one the commentators will shout " omg look at the condis!!!" Or something like that. If I had to guess the reason more condi builds aren’t used is because group comp needs support builds.

Pyriall.1683:

It takes the same amount of button presses to condi-bomb someone as it does to burst them in this game. Don’t fool yourself into believing that power builds require any more skill than condition builds. There is very little skill to either.

Mashing buttons and running away while the condi does it’s thing doesn’t seem the same to me.

Nerf resistance for all the lazy condi bombers!

Sorry but imho opinion condi builds are for lazy players. Drop a bomb and stay away. It baffles me that people actually find it fun to play condi builds. LAZY! I remember when condition damage was supplemental to power damage and in that, there was balance. When a player has to spend the entire encounter cleansing condi’s it screams something wrong. Condi builds take no skill whatsoever to play.

Agree, disagree?

What prompted me to post this in part is due to last weekend. I had some time to kill and ended up watching about an hour of spvp matches from about a year ago. There was a noticeable difference in gameplay. Fights were more intense and the skill level was obvious. People can claim you push the same amount of buttons, and that’s certainty true. I think it’s ignorant to claim that bursting with power is the same as bursting with condi. Power bursting starts and stops with each attack and therefore takes more skill to keep up pressure. If that doesn’t make sense this game is lost. Thankfully there’s a lot of competition in the gaming world these days.

Address condition damage first. Until them learn to play without relying on your condi bomb. My guess is you’ll become more skilled.

What’s the matter OP, having trouble melting people with your condi bombs?

OP, get over it or get better. I was in the same boat, I got over it and got better. I don’t care what anyone says, 1 player cannot carry 4 bad players. MM is crap for some people and that’s just the way it is.

No, thieves are not OP. Just like warriors now, they are viable. People confuse being a challenge with being OP. I main a warrior and hear people cry everyday how we’re OP now. It’s a joke! If you’re not easy to kill you’re OP, seems to be the small minded thinking of way too many people in this game.

JayAction.9056:

Warrior has always been a class with an extremely low skill ceiling, but the amount of mistakes a person can make on warrior and still perform well makes this class currently extremely op.

I say this as someone with 1.5k hours on warr, and also s1 and s2 legend. Please nerf they are way over the top.

Stop killing up levels in WvW and see how long you last with your never ending string of mistakes. I can only assume you have first hand experience with lots and lots of mistakes, after all your claim is warrior is OP even if excessive amounts of mistakes are made. You also claim warrior has ‘an extremely low skill ceiling", how many mistakes can a person make when they’re playing a class that takes no skill?

Ross Biddle.2367:

drcraig.9403:

Ross Biddle.2367:

echo.2053:

Furajir.3815:

echo.2053:

Warrior bow removing 6 condi’s – yyyeaah perfectly fine for such a short coolddown /sarcasm

It’s a bug, quit crying.

That is currently making the profession stronger than it should be….

It’s interesting because I haven’t noticed the presence of this bug while fighting condi berserkers on my power berserker. Huh.

You wouldn’t really notice it.

XD

I gotcha…lol

Ross Biddle.2367:

echo.2053:

Furajir.3815:

echo.2053:

Warrior bow removing 6 condi’s – yyyeaah perfectly fine for such a short coolddown /sarcasm

It’s a bug, quit crying.

That is currently making the profession stronger than it should be….

It’s interesting because I haven’t noticed the presence of this bug while fighting condi berserkers on my power berserker. Huh.

You wouldn’t really notice it. I play power build as well and don’t rely on condi doing my damage. This is only a big deal because condi builds aren’t doing nearly as much damage as the should. Personally I don’t even use longbow. I’ve never liked ranged weapons on my warrior.

DeWolfe.2174:

drcraig.9403:

DeWolfe.2174:

Umm… Warrior is OP AF and needs to be toned down like now and not in 3 months. As I’ve said before, I don’t care about sPvP as much as I care how nuts the build is in WvW. Dev’s a re utterly crazy to think this is good for the game. As if cancer Mesmer and Thief weren’t bad enough

Are you hoping a nerf to warrior will help you get back to T1?

Because every guild in WvW isn’t running more Warriors now? Duh….

It’s because I like balanced and even professions and not “Rock, Paper, Scissors” or “FotM” builds.

What is imbalanced with the warrior besides the LB bug with Cleansing Ire? You sound desperate to be able to still have warriors for an easy kill. You like balanced and even professions but your only legitimate complaint about warrior is a bug. Get over it and play better. Oh yeah, what tier are you now?

Zodryn.4216:

After playing a bit more this season, I don’t mind warrior too much. However, there have been a couple of times I’ve been insta downed and I have no clue how it happens. The first case I was just outside of melee range and got hit with arc divider I think. Instantly down (I was at 15k health, above 50%). The next I’ve honestly got no idea. No animation. Downed instantly from 20k, and the warrior followed up with 100 blades. No condis were involved in either case. If it happens again I’ll be sure to look at my combat log.

Hey there! I’ve been playing my warrior and have had the exact same thing happen to me. I generally figure I was focused, but yes checking the combat log should provide answers.

DeWolfe.2174:

Umm… Warrior is OP AF and needs to be toned down like now and not in 3 months. As I’ve said before, I don’t care about sPvP as much as I care how nuts the build is in WvW. Dev’s a re utterly crazy to think this is good for the game. As if cancer Mesmer and Thief weren’t bad enough

Are you hoping a nerf to warrior will help you get back to T1?

Kharr.5746:

This thread is a joke, right? The build you’re defending was already competitive and many warriors were able to get to Legendary in S1 and S2 with it, even by solo Q. Sure, there were more “optimal” professions in ESL, but warrior was no slouch.

Then, Anet nerfed the hell out of Reaper, Scrapper, Mesmer, Druid, Tempest, Revenant and ignorantly buffed a build on warrior that was already very strong.

Even without the buff to warrior, this particular build would be OP since everyone else got nerfed. Anet should never buff and nerf in the same patch as it creates this sort of power leap. If you can be bothered to look at my post history, you’ll see that I’ve got posts ~ 6 months old detailing how strong the build was and how it only seemed weak because every other profession was overtuned.

What’s funny is that the “meta” build isn’t even the best version of it for team play. It’s possible to nuke the entire team on point and drop them in under 5 seconds. When I play with a friend, I get him to go in first to “pull aggro” and I leap in and nearly instantly drop half the team before they can call target and focus me. This was possible even when people were running super tanky amulets that are no longer in the game.

“I get him to go in first to “pull aggro” and I leap in and nearly instantly drop half the team before they can call target and focus me.”

No, no you don’t.

Silberfederling.9302:

Shiyo.3578:

I’ve played warrior in PVP.

I’ve played against warrior in PVP.

The spec isn’t fun to play because it’s one dimensional.

Warrior defense train, so whatever!

Mate that’s just sad.
I played class XYZ i do not like it, nerf it. Naaaaooow.
Geez guys all this kittening about op or not makes you wonder. What exactly do you want? A class to farm and flame? A class that is straight forward and then flame? A teef with out invis, and then flame?
Mate i would honestly suggest you and all the other o ma gawwwd me sa coowl me sa class xyz meesa knows stuff guys stop bloody whineing right now before you dehydrate.

Oh and its not invuln. Involn prevents Hits. It is stopping DMG. AS in 0 DMG. kitten that requires a hit can still proc on ignore pain. It does not in ele, engi, mes and guard. All classes that have at least 4 dimensions, am i right?

Instead of learning to fight a class that has been kittented about since summer 2014, just go to the forum and cry some.
It is sad. That is all i will say with regards to these ridiculous rants.
Now i sit back and wait for the crying crowd of caster wars 2 to demand AND GET warrior nerfed.

The only second dimension these days seems to be demanding nerfs on the Forums, while the first was getting wasted ingame.

Well said, well said! +1

Zeghart.9841:

Shiyo.3578:

Do I have to link the skills and passives?

I think actually playing the game would be a nice start.

The only change from the previous and current patch to those skills and passives has been a 50% instead of 25% hp for the activation of endure pain – which isn’t even an invulnerability like most other classes have. Kinda odd how you were perfectly ok with it before when war was still garbage, but not now, huh? Almost feels like you’re clutching at straws.

Do everyone a favor and try out a Warrior before complaining about things you’ve read on a wiki.

+1

Shiyo.3578:

Zeghart.9841:

Novuake.2691:

I guess the warrior hate was inevitable.

These forums. Wow.

There’s a reason why nobody, especially Anet, takes the official forums seriously.

It’s easier to find a needle in a haystack than a poster that has any idea of what he’s talking about.

Shiyo.3578:

Warriors basically run around invincible 90% of the time then randomly turn around and attempt to 1 shot you, then keep running around invincible.

Instant example.

Do I have to link the skills and passives?

I’d say yes, if it helped you prove your point. Unfortunately for you it doesn’t.

Shiyo.3578:

JTGuevara.9018:

I’d like to emphasize more weaknesses of warrior.

NO protection
NO invulns
NO evades

What game are you playing? Warriors can endure pain x2 and block for 3s every 20s + reflect projectiles then block again and reflect ALL projectiles(only blocks 1 attack but all projs) and has multiple forms of resistance.

Warriors basically run around invincible 90% of the time then randomly turn around and attempt to 1 shot you, then keep running around invincible.

@Shiyo Okay, okay don’t be ridiculous. We had all the things you stated above before April 19th. 90% of the time invincible? You do realize that prior to the April 19th patch warriors were hated in spvp for their lack of sustain? The only change to our actual sustain is the adrenal health buff. This heals for 165hp – 495hp per second for 15 seconds. Now I’ll tell you a secret. Shhh….we have to hit you to get the adrenal health buff…shhh…you can dodge it, interrupt it and even block it. Shhhhh…don’t tell anyone though okay?

A well played DH / Guardian can be a real handful. I don’t play them much these days but I still think they’re pretty darn good.

R O C.6574:

Does DH have a good condi build?

I used to play a burn build on my guardian. I think I used flame legion runes. It was pretty good, but I don’t know about now.

dominik.9721:

drcraig.9403:

dominik.9721:

drcraig.9403:

First and foremost we need to understand that we have to hit to get AH regen
Our best heal, healing sig heals us for a whopping 2.5k

Telling me I’d be wrong on so many points while writing this bs at the same time.
I’ll give you a solid 6/10
But keep trying you are cute

I did you a favor, I usually charge people for educating them

According to your quoted statements you should maybe educate yourself about your own class?

First and foremost we need to understand that we have to hit to get AH regen
Our best heal, healing sig heals us for a whopping 2.5k

Please stop. I specialize in intellectual sparring.

gin.7158:

6 condi clear not OP. Yeah right….

That’s a bug, get over it.

dominik.9721:

drcraig.9403:

First and foremost we need to understand that we have to hit to get AH regen
Our best heal, healing sig heals us for a whopping 2.5k

Telling me I’d be wrong on so many points while writing this bs at the same time.
I’ll give you a solid 6/10
But keep trying you are cute

I did you a favor, I usually charge people for educating them

dominik.9721:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

dominik.9721:

All those weird comments like keep the warrior in range…pls the meta build includes longbow that spams firefields and has great pressure over all.
Also when talking about pvp we have on point fights and not 1v1s on beach of forest map

One conditions primarily. Are we gonna make a problem about one friggin condition here? The meta build does mostly burn damage. Nothing a condi cleanse can cure. If u don’t pay attention to the LB then that is you fault.

The thing is many posters have provided viable counters for both melee and ranged version. Warrior is not OP.

Eh saying you should range the warrior is just stupid when you have on point fights while the warrior isnt even full melee. The only node where you can kite warrior is legacy waterfall node and mid nod.

And tbh nobody said sth why warrior isnt slighlty over the top. You just insist it isnt. Highest condition dmg output, best condition management with cleanses and resistance and 800 hp/sec uptime with longbow is imo not balanced.

The condition build is powercreeped.Fact.And I say this as warrior main.

@Dominik You’re wrong on so many points it amazes me. Did you know you can kill an enemy and not be actually standing on the point when you do it? The only point on all the ranked maps you really can’t kite a warrior or any other class is clock tower on Kylo. Even then you can it’s just a pain in the neck.

Highest condition dmg output? Do you have any evidence to substantiate this? No? I didn’t think so. Speculation doesn’t make your statement a fact.

Every class has some form of condi management not just warrior. I’d list all the examples but I really don’t feel like it.

First and foremost we need to understand that we have to hit to get AH regen
The only reason our regen is finally good place is because of the buff to AH. Our best heal, healing sig heals us for a whopping 2.5k. Our resistance is good and has been, thankfully. With the emphasis on condi damage we’d be in worse shape than even before the buff to AH without it. Don’t forget that we need to deal with power damage as well.

The bug to LB is not the warriors fault and neither is the fact that condition damage is powercreeped. You do realize that the condi powercreep applies to all classes that use condi, right? I mean this isn’t a problem just with warriors, you know that right?

If warriors are so Op, where are they in pro league? Every team would have one and they don’t. If Anet fixes the LB bug and leaves us alone we’ll be viable, but not OP.

People misinterpret not being easy to kill with OP. Warriors have be so easy to kill for so long people got spoiled. Now we have some sustain so we’re OP. Everyone wants that easy kill unfortunately for them warriors can finally put up a fight.