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if you fight for instance 1 vs 3 ( war ranger or necro )
For me s/d is easier because d/p stealth access can be interrupted by range or necro.
I have a question.
What is better for WvW roaming and outnumbered fights S/D build or D/P ?
Arena Net dont think about game ! They are gathering money !
Thief totaly broken it will be forever and better delete this class because I like it so much and patches just make me sad!
Somebody wrote about that Meditation Guard cannot be killed, this is LIE, but S/D really bad.
Flanking Strike costs 4 initiative and has to reach target for LS(stealing boons and good dmg) it becomes useles. Every can evade FS !!! Every can see animation of FS, so after using FS u loose 4 ini:D
S/D build still viable but these for perfect gamestyle , for super looooong combat with run and CD skills, ini.
ONE STUPID MISTAKE AND U DOWN!
I dont know what happened in your company but about 1 year you are mediocrity!!!
It doesnt connect thief class I talk about every class! You just nerf or up some classe’s skills or creat totaly useles traits but nothing REAL good changes , new INNOVATIONS!
Yea you invented THE DODGE and at the release it was anough but more deeply im PvP mechanic you are real SUXXXXXXXXXX !
Down one class for make batter others it is lame and low ! ( you should do something interesting for all clases!)
ARENA NET TOO LAZZZy!!!!
But gems:D:D:D
I can say that thief S/D in 1v1 can kill every class, but if it Engi or Celestial Ele you can win ONLY IF enemy will makes mistake, on other hand it just looks like super long fight where thief is surviving.
I played vs celestial elementalist and after 15 min fighting nobody down!!!
Thief lost burst!
Most of all thief’s traits, skills, a few weapon skills just ILLUSION OF CHOICE (this is rubbish ).
Now if you won somebody enemy starts cry how lame you played because evaded all attacks, but we have only evades. Thief class could removed and it will not be a problem for WvW, PvP and PvE.
Why play thief take experiance , training, practice if ( ofc thx Anet pvp servers lagging) 1 skill lagg or little delay and your perfect gameplay, (right dodge and rotations skill etc) ownd.
After 1 mistake ofc if stay alive:D thief runs away or Shadow Refuge and must wait CD and initiative regenerations it takes a lot of time. Enemy already heal and recharged all skills , and thief open combat from hide with hopefulness to win ( if play amazingly perfect) IS IT NORMAL???
One mistake , one wrong dodge and you are deadman!
Who is thief?
Maybe delet this class and create a normal standart Assassin , Ninja, Rogue class.
Burst dmg this is so sweet !!!
One more sad thing this is our OP short bow ! Yeahh
Good skill only Disabling Shot.
Cluster bomb range pfff… well you know, but cluster bomb speed this is fantastic LoL.
In range only autoattak the best way deal dmg. Evade cluster on range more that 100 can every new play or just run away from it. The main dmg you deal this is Cluster but in close range:D SB not mele.
After patch Choiking Gas . It was special to nerf us, but why?
Ofc now you can use Basilisk Venom + Choiking Gas while enemy block but it is horrible.
Traits.
Thief has 2 offensive/ dmg trait line DA and SA.
DA has MUG on minor.
SA has nothing interesting!!!
Executioner? really ? Without it one HS will be enough to finished enemy!
Hiddent Killer ??? For WvW yea not for sPvP!
I can say and say and say about things which are confused me but I stopped.
I dont fell that Anet interested in this topic
Nice post!!!
YEA I AGREE WITH IT!!
Anet, sit and think!
Just need to adapt to these changes!
And need more skillcap… fights become more longer but if do everything right & correctly count skills CD, thief still pretty cool. You have to be tricky and run becouse thief has the best healing and taking vigor for a lot of dodges.
Just practice thieves and you can win every class.
Probleme is FS blockable
What???
Ok =) Just try now to kill Meditation Guard and Ele Celestial =)
Choking gas- wtf that dmg???
Nerfing S/D so much FS – 4nitiative for LS neet hit target and everybody can dodnge FS it takes time for casting
If thief will be fight vs enemy ( another class ) with equal skill thief will die!
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That all good but Arena net doesnt hear us! All what we disscuss it just nothing!
After patch unreal to kill Guard MEditation , Ele Celestial ( thief doesnt have enough burst ) and Burning Engi ( also lack burst dmg )! Its ugly FS costs 4 ini and u have to hit target for LS , cast take a time and everybody can dodge it!!!
I tired from this stupid changes!
To play thief we need super internet but little lag and we are dead, also we need super reactions , and just be unreal cool player or just wait when enemy does mistake!
Need one more topic but about Short Bow =)) that nerf Choking Gas deals dmg ( so little little dmg:D::D )It looks like speacial nerf to delete cool trick use Poison while stealth!!!
Now thief gameplay looks like= hit=>dodge=> hit=> dodge=>dodge=>hit___ mistake and death!
Do not understand always nerf if they can create something NEW like they did fantastic spvp combat!!!
Anet screwed up with thief class!
Need love every class.
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We can not take 2 traits like like defense ( AC) and offense (CS)
Thieves have to take defense (AC)+Support (Trickery)
We rebuilt and put 6 points into Trickery instead CS because this trait line has to be fully rework!!!
It is ugly when traits which thief has TOTALY SUX in comparison with other classes!
You can compare War trait lines and thief trait line! It is funny!
We need wisely traits ! 80% of our traits rubbish !
Yea I agree with topic! It should be cool change auto attack for dual weapon for every class and recreate boring weapon skills!!! THEY MUST DO IT!!!!
GW2 has brilliant pvp structure and mechanic really!!!
But what is going on in GW2? I gave and still giving money to Anet but they all time provide us stupid useless skills, traits, weapon skills, ugly armor etc. WHY?
Everything what people say or want on this forums it is rubbish , empty conversations between players in hope that THEY (ARENA NET) hear us! Arena net only makes kids staffs ,YEAHH I have opinion that the main amount of players GW2 are children!
Updates and patches for people who is playing GW2 only for pvp or wvw do not based on desire of players! Everything for PVE fans?
So we can create topics with our ideas but ANET will never do it or never do little bit same ( with balance and another cleaver decisions ) on players wishes !
Cool idea rework this and include new animations, improve graphic, mechanics, new useful skills , elite skills, improve game engine, buy or build servers for EU player in >EUROPE< and etc!
Anet you have to improve the game or one year later will be more and more new projects with the better gameplay !
Im ready pay every month for game like WoW but Do with a conscience!
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p/d with celestial – why ? pistol is the worst dmg in the thief hands combine with celestial making it worst. i would take carrion or even full power build as his play style changed from burst to kite
i changed to power p/d and its so useful wepaon set versus ele/mes/engi/ranger/thief
even some warrior builds as you can burst from range and be safealso if you closly look from thief players videos in the last year you will notice how anet change the thief play style from bursty player to kite player
Yeah combats became longer and kill enemy faster than enemy does it unreal!
Its sux !
SB is the best choice for S/D .
SB 3 1 evade 3 1 evade 3 1 evade . . . 3 1 evade . . .
I prefer this build but i have questions!
1. I can not find a golden middle way for armor !
I have 2767 armor in this build!
Should I decrease armor and increase dog with precision or not?
2. And the last question and difficult choose for me take MUG or FLEET SHADOW!
Friends if you have some note to improve effectiveness of this build say it and help pls.
With D/P you cannot clean condi!
What? Are you serious? Just run x/6/6/x/x don’t evade buffing stealth just because others don’t like it.
2/6/0/0/6 – standart D/P
SA dont use in PvP
I like signet use because its 24 SEC cd ! Its combo cnd+infiltrators signet+BS!
With D/P you cannot clean condi!
I think it will be worse than now if anet would add new weapon for thief!
One more , I suppose it will never be!
GW2 goes down!
D/D P/P broken for sPvP! forget about it!
D/P or S/D
Hello !
I cannot make a choice what build is better !
however I have a problem with second weapon set
Am looking at my BS damag and think that standart S/D pvp build ( 2/0/0/6/6) is better.
So I need a help ! Maybe you will correct something in builds!
Agree with you!
Mobility low =(
Stun braker low
Dmg low ( wtf BS sux and signets ussless )
Stealth doesnt help so much as people are crying that its OP!
Thief is strong class but 1 mistake and you are dead!
I think thieves are broken just need repaire a litle bit!
So, add me too !
I always run in this build for http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoYVlsMp7pVOx0J8PNRPRsdwyD3TjhddD-TVCEABG8CA6SJ4iq/IlyjmUily+DtpPAgDBwDHBgAAIA3sNbzbGYoDdoDdoDtbezbO0hO0SBwkyI-w works vs condi and direct
Valkyrie ! Look build into the link man!
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsYVl0Mp7pFOxyJ8PNBNB5dY+SZ0KAdHl+eEA-TZBFwACeCAl2fYxhAoaZAAnAAA it is for spvp as well as WvW
But for much fun because it needs more skill
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsYVl0Mp7pFOxyJ8PNBNB5dY+SZ0KAdHl+eEA-TZBFwACeCAl2fYxhAoaZAAnAAA
D/D really fun but for roaming alone D/P better
Cool man!
I prefer direct dmg but its faking good!
Can u link build?
Shadow Arts – Defence
Trickery – Support
Yoursave skill only cloack and dagger!
You will have long battle and dont have burst, low armor low health,low healing power! Stelath doesnt help you!
S/D need evades!
Not good build!
What build is better on WvW???
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoYVlsMp7pVOx0J8PNBNRs9UXI3l1zaFA-TlSBABWq+zDnCA0UCe1+Ddp8ALlY4pvYhDEgGHBAAeAABAQAuZb2m3MwyVuyVuyVO38m3c5KX5kCgJlRA-w
OR
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoYVl0Mp7plPx0J8PNBNRs9UTI3ljzaFA-TlSBABWq+zDnCA0UCe1+Ddp8ALlY4pvYhDEgGHBAAeAABAQAuZb2m3MwyVuyVuyVO38m3c5KX5kCgJlRA-w
OR
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoaVl0Mp7pNOx0J8PNBNRsdVXI3l1zaFA-TVCEABMt/QXKBXU9HpUe0kSs20UAwBC4hjAABHCgAAIAhNvZglrclrclrcu5Nv5yVuyJFATKjA-w
Need your opinions and advices !
Because I alwayse think about perfect build on WvW !
And always try to do choice what is better D/D or D/P, i know that in different situations D/D better that D/P!
So i need conclusion!!!
Add me in game and we can do training!
I created same topic Anet hates thieves
But seriously its very sad!!!
We’ve got a lot of nerfs in comparison with other classes!
In common arena net gives ugly skills for thief
Rune of lyssa important rune for thieves ( 45 sec elit skill ) NOW lyssa nerf!
One of the best reason for playing thief that was STEALTH and HIGH BURST DPS!
Now the time of conditions!
Thief now needless in sPvP
I think if we take GM trait in CS which gives us health on every crit+signet of malice+ superior sigil of Blood+Assassin reward+(maybe)Rune of Dolyak+
Will we take enough HP regen?
I know i understand what all this traits do!
Sigils and runes DONT help to get this damage!
I told that the fight will be loooonger where big problem will be CONDITION DMG! And burst damage get lower!
Look what great GM traits get another classes and what took we are!
This update only cool for condi players! No for direct or burst dmg
Strange how the easiest profession in the game shows hate towards thieves…. two times I saw a livestream from anet playing thief and it was their SoM lesson (which was about 8 months too late, we already knew what proc’ed it) and them dying over and over in the new fractal preview.
Save the embarresment, if you’re terrible and you know it play warrior. Previews are kitten aweful if you spend it in the downed state.
easiest profession ? really?
If u don’t understand this topic pls don’t speak more!
D/D is END with new patch!
Stealth build not actual in sPvP so it will be on WvW
eh like i said i will keep my thief for lols. and in the end i will find another way to break past the stupid nerfs they add.
And… how?
Thief becomes only support class because without burst its better to take warrior!
And for condo better necro that thief!
Increasing Healing Power useless!!! I tested.
Thief/ Rogue/Assassin like burst damage class will be deleted by arena net
Good job Anet.
They do money not a GAME! =(
Why do you hate thieves ? ?
10 percent reduction in crit damage !
Reducing the length of the gas ! A new Traits are simply useless in WvW . Will be a similar situation as in pvp bekstab balanced build is not so strong ! Bekstab will beat the average for the five thousand that is very sad !
Kill faster than you die be impossible. Counditions builds become stronger! Burst builds lose their effectiveness that is the main role of this class !
Support role its to UGLY in gameplay thief!!!
Compared to other classes we have low hp, low armor , and even that we have damage reduction !
Will be long battles where thieves will die from condi as we have a pour damage in a single bekstab !
The purpose of this patch to remove effectiveness burst damage, so make meaningless beckstab builds! Loss of damage to a thief leads to futility burst damage that will be useless for bekstab builds!
WHY DID U DO THIS?!?!?!
Usless GM traits!!!
Yeahhhhh!!!Thank you!
We will be wait a lot of time
Omg Anet never do this but it will be so OP/
D/P will be useless In comparison with D/D
They can only nerf and nerf thief !
Thief is by far the best “roaming” class, and escape class. But the class that get sponsored by Nike footwear are Warriors.
Haha yeah!!!
UGLY MAC CLIENT !!!
UGLY PATCHES LAST TIMES- ITS PVP GAME!!!!
ARENA NET REALY WHAT ARE U DOING FOR BETTER GAMEPLAY AND BETTER PVP & WWW????
THERE ARE NO SOME GREAT IDEAS ONLY UPDATE STORY STORY ( NEW ITEMS IN SHOP:D:D:D AND BUY CRYSTALS FOR $$$)
ITS CALLED GUILDWARS 2,,,,, NOT GUILD PVP2!!!!
YOU CAN ALWAYS GO TO WOW AND GET NEW CONTENT EVERY MONTH AND OH WAIT BUT THEN U HAVE TO PAY 15 DOLLAR HMMMM SO HERE U DONT HAVE TO PAY AND IF U DONT WANT TO BUY kitten ON GEMSTORE ITS UR CHOICE, HAVE SOME SELF-CONTROL,,,,, OH AND THERE TONS OF PEOPLE OUT THETRE WHO DONT GIVE A kitten ABOUT PVP OR WVW,,,,, THERE YOU GOAND LASTLY THIS IS FOR MAC BETA PROBS FORUM,,,, GO TROLL SOMEWHERE ELSE,,,,
Its not trolling its true!!!
They do nothing especially for mac users!
I think we will wait 2 days min
No i just tried a few min ago !
I want good GW2 client for MAC why itsnt possible?!!
Yes i have client crush after last update 3/18
Why thieves came at the beginning of the Guild Wars 2 like a gradually kittening cool class with incredible dmg boost BUT then they were nerfd that 1 on 1 thief looks like an ordinary warrior with a sword and a lot evading. Where are the good old assassins , Rogue????